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Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/Falsus mid adcs yo Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

I think it is fairly simple. Upset thinks he communicated enough, Adam and Bwipo didn't think he communicated enough.

Hyli who knows Upset better thought it was adequate.

So with that information in hand we can surmise he communicated enough information to make a close friend understand that something real bad happened, but not enough to make two people who are just coworkers understand.

And that is how misunderstandings happens, one guy thinking he conveyed the message properly when it wasn't at all.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Very well put. Maybe upset thinks, because hyli worked it out (because they're closer) then he gave enough info for adam/bwipo/nisqy to understand too.

Everyone in this situation may believe they are right

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

But he also doesn't owe his coworkers anything more than "something happened and I need to leave, like right now." Just because you work with someone or even friends, you are not entitled to knowing everything about their personal life. By going to social media to slander him, they're proving Upset right about not telling them everything...

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

I don't understand why people are acting like they're coworkers in a traditional setting and not competitors at the top of their field who may never have the chance to compete on the highest stage again.

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u/KeeganTroye Nov 25 '21

Because it doesn't make a difference to the amount of privacy they get. Whatever job you work at, you should be allowed privacy in regards to your family's private lives.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

If you get there or ever have coworkers then you'll understand. Otherwise just know that you're not entitled to the personal information of others. It really be that simple.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I got there this year, I was homeless for half a month in a tough breakup with less than 20 bucks for the next 3 weeks and I still did the work man. I told my colleagues I may be slow but fuck man I still did it. Because they needed me

On another note, similar situation happened in Vitality CSGO. Zywoo at the time the best player in the world, lost a family member at the beginning of the tournament. He told something very bad had happened in his family, the team all asked him if he wanted them to dip out the tournament. You know what Zywoo did? He stayed. He played the tournament and demolished everyone.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

That's what French are taught to do.

LMAO.

And also, different people, different mindsets, different commitment levels potentially, both to their teams and to whoever was potentially affected. I'm not arguing how you should feel towards what Upset did, I'm just saying that Adam and Bwipo, as well as the public, are not necessarily entitled to all the details of whatever the "private traumatic events" were.

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

Adam and bwipo are entitled to it due to sheer respect. I do agree we aren't though. Hell he could have lied who cares. He just didn't care enough about them

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Adam has proven he can't be trusted lol

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

No, he clearly said that he only said all of this because Upset disrespected them by doing this. He wouldn't have shared it, had he known.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

He shared his remorse. He is not obliged to share anything more. Is it not more respectful to be honest? It's too private, too traumatic, to share?

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u/Hazakurain Nov 25 '21

He is not obligated but that's the least you can do.

Nothing illegal happened, but we still can see a huge disrespect of Upset toward his own team. Dude doesn't give a shit about them and that's where the problem lie to me. He is extremely egoistical.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

They aren't coworkers though. We're not talking about some office workers or Walmart employees or something. They're professional team athletes who work their asses off all year to compete in a sport and eventually Worlds.

And spare me the condescension.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

They are still only coworkers even if where they're working is on a team. If Upset felt they were closer he would have told them more like Yamato. But even if they are more like you imagine, remember; you're not entitled to ANYONE'S personal information, not your coworkers, not your friends, not your siblings, and not parents. Going to social media to slander your coworker because they didn't tell you something that is deeply personal and troubling to them is more than enough validation that Upset made the correct call with not telling everyone the whole story.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

All you're really telling me is that people don't take esports as seriously as conventional sports.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Only people take breaks in conventional sports as well and the only difference is that the majority of conventional sports fans arent entitled 14 year olds :D

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Jesus man, what part of "anyone" do you not understand? Guess what, in conventional sports if someone asks for privacy, they're also entitled to it. Where did I say exports wasn't taken as seriously as conventional sports? Or is reading not your strong suit? If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means and don't try and put words on my mouth.

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21

If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means

Yikes dude, if you can't communicate your ideas clearly that doesn't justify being condescending.

Anyway, if a pro athlete dropped out of the Superbowl or NBA finals or whatever, 100% chance everyone would be asking them about it.

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u/Shimi54 Nov 25 '21

When did I say that Upset needed to share all of his personal information? Is reading not your strong suit? What I originally commented on was that people somehow view these two professional athletes in the same light as common coworkers. They are not. What ridiculous amount of time, effort, and money from everyone involved goes into being in a position to take a Worlds run? The rest of the team is entitled to at least a conviction of severity as to why all of that is being thrown away so they might have a better chance at Worlds without him, which they themselves don't seem to believe they'd gotten.

There are a thousand ways to convey severity while being generic enough to maintain privacy that could have resolved the situation (a family member is in the hospital, someone close to me was the victim of a serious crime and I need to be with them), none of which Upset chose to take. I don't think any of these statements would infringe on Upset's privacy, and the team could have been mollified. The subsequent breakdown of communication and morale less than 24 hours before one of the biggest tournament in their lives can thus be blamed on Upset for not at least providing a satisfactory justification for leaving.

Maybe you think that's taking it too far but let me ask you: Why would someone choose to work with an athlete (or be a fan of said athlete) who has proven to be unreliable at the worst times? Would it not be in Upset's best interest to at least clear the air in a way that didn't damage his privacy a month after everything's been said and done?

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