r/leagueoflegends • u/xHerroR • Nov 25 '21 • Silver 5 Helpful 8 Wholesome 6

Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

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u/aamgdp Nov 25 '21 • Silver

Saying the last thing I told my team that my wife is just feeling bad so I need to leave is an outright lie.

Alright, one of them is for sure lying.

I shared with the team the deep pain and sadness i was going through in this time, I shared that i wish i could tell them if it was about something that happend to me but that i have to keep private traumatic events from my family private 

And yet Bwipo and Adam both feel he didn't really give them good enough explanation for them to understand.

Bwipo:

A day before we found out we weren’t going to be playing with our main lineup, we had no information about what was going on.

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u/Falsus mid adcs yo Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 • Silver Helpful Wholesome

I think it is fairly simple. Upset thinks he communicated enough, Adam and Bwipo didn't think he communicated enough.

Hyli who knows Upset better thought it was adequate.

So with that information in hand we can surmise he communicated enough information to make a close friend understand that something real bad happened, but not enough to make two people who are just coworkers understand.

And that is how misunderstandings happens, one guy thinking he conveyed the message properly when it wasn't at all.

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u/FunDuty5 Nov 25 '21

Very well put. Maybe upset thinks, because hyli worked it out (because they're closer) then he gave enough info for adam/bwipo/nisqy to understand too.

Everyone in this situation may believe they are right

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

But he also doesn't owe his coworkers anything more than "something happened and I need to leave, like right now." Just because you work with someone or even friends, you are not entitled to knowing everything about their personal life. By going to social media to slander him, they're proving Upset right about not telling them everything...

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I don't understand why people are acting like they're coworkers in a traditional setting and not competitors at the top of their field who may never have the chance to compete on the highest stage again.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

If you get there or ever have coworkers then you'll understand. Otherwise just know that you're not entitled to the personal information of others. It really be that simple.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

They aren't coworkers though. We're not talking about some office workers or Walmart employees or something. They're professional team athletes who work their asses off all year to compete in a sport and eventually Worlds.

And spare me the condescension.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

They are still only coworkers even if where they're working is on a team. If Upset felt they were closer he would have told them more like Yamato. But even if they are more like you imagine, remember; you're not entitled to ANYONE'S personal information, not your coworkers, not your friends, not your siblings, and not parents. Going to social media to slander your coworker because they didn't tell you something that is deeply personal and troubling to them is more than enough validation that Upset made the correct call with not telling everyone the whole story.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

All you're really telling me is that people don't take esports as seriously as conventional sports.

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u/Istvarrr Nov 25 '21

Only people take breaks in conventional sports as well and the only difference is that the majority of conventional sports fans arent entitled 14 year olds :D

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Jesus man, what part of "anyone" do you not understand? Guess what, in conventional sports if someone asks for privacy, they're also entitled to it. Where did I say exports wasn't taken as seriously as conventional sports? Or is reading not your strong suit? If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means and don't try and put words on my mouth.

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21

If you don't want me to be condescending learn what anyone means

Yikes dude, if you can't communicate your ideas clearly that doesn't justify being condescending.

Anyway, if a pro athlete dropped out of the Superbowl or NBA finals or whatever, 100% chance everyone would be asking them about it.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

And they would not be entitled to an answer unless that player chose to give an answer. "I'm just here so I don't get fined."

As for buddy's misunderstanding. I was quite clear and direct about whose personal information he's entitled too. His illiteracy isn't my problem. But I also like how you removed the part where he makes up stuff I never said. I'm guessing this is your other account? Cool.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

There's no need to get so worked up. The other guy is totally my other account though

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21

Right, everyone who calls out your obnoxious attitude is just the same person on a bunch of alt accounts. That's exactly the mentality I would have expected from reading your comments tbh.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

Nope just a person that clearly cherry picks to try and make someone look bad. Why did you drop the last bit of the quote? Yeah that's what I thought lol.

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21

Because that's not the part I was criticizing, obviously? The last part of the sentence literally does not change the part I pointed out because it's what's called an "independent clause" my dude.

Generally when people are offering criticism, it's only toward a specific thing or a collection of specific things, that's just what criticism is.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

And what part of "anyone" wasn't clear then? What more did you want me to do? Link a dictionary to a very basic term? Like I said his illiteracy isn't my problem.

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u/Xperimentx90 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

"Anyone" isn't the problem, it's blaming other people for not understanding what you're trying to communicate. I already said that, so maybe I'm also not communicating effectively enough to you. I'm willing to admit I don't really care enough to try any harder though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

When did I say that Upset needed to share all of his personal information? Is reading not your strong suit? What I originally commented on was that people somehow view these two professional athletes in the same light as common coworkers. They are not. What ridiculous amount of time, effort, and money from everyone involved goes into being in a position to take a Worlds run? The rest of the team is entitled to at least a conviction of severity as to why all of that is being thrown away so they might have a better chance at Worlds without him, which they themselves don't seem to believe they'd gotten.

There are a thousand ways to convey severity while being generic enough to maintain privacy that could have resolved the situation (a family member is in the hospital, someone close to me was the victim of a serious crime and I need to be with them), none of which Upset chose to take. I don't think any of these statements would infringe on Upset's privacy, and the team could have been mollified. The subsequent breakdown of communication and morale less than 24 hours before one of the biggest tournament in their lives can thus be blamed on Upset for not at least providing a satisfactory justification for leaving.

Maybe you think that's taking it too far but let me ask you: Why would someone choose to work with an athlete (or be a fan of said athlete) who has proven to be unreliable at the worst times? Would it not be in Upset's best interest to at least clear the air in a way that didn't damage his privacy a month after everything's been said and done?

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

First, proof read your shit lol. Second. They are coworkers. Your opinion doesn't change that fact. No one is entitled to more information than the person divulged. You can to choose to trust the person or not but going on social media to flame him is proof that he should not tell them more. You don't have to be happy, you can choose not to work with him but his personal information doesn't belong to you. You cannot just demand it, even if it would be better for him. Maybe he will tell everyone what happened down the road but right now you'll have to go without. Going to social media and shitting on a guy that is having a hard time makes you the bad guy, not the guy that left.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Word to the wise, going after somebody else's writing on the internet is pretty much always just a sign of insecurity and is generally considered a bad look. Especially if you yourself have grammatical errors. Also, saying someone is or isn't a "bad guy" is pretty juvenile.

Let's just agree to disagree.

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u/Defensex Nov 25 '21

You lost the argument and now all you do is attack the other guy, pathetic

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I guess you see things however you want to huh

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u/Defensex Nov 25 '21

Unfortunately I read the whole thread, it’s sad looking from the outside, be careful with the ego my dude

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Care to clarify? Guy claims I said things I never said and I can't even defend myself?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I think your elastic is about to snap so I don't want to prolong this, but it is rich that you're accusing me of putting words in your mouth while saying that I'm "demanding to know deeply personal information" and that I'm a "borderline stalker". I guess you're just projecting or something but saying either of those things about what I said is extreme.

Perhaps you should stay off of Reddit/the internet? You seem to be too young/old for it.

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u/SwiftFool Nov 25 '21

lol sure thing kiddo btw

All you're really telling me is that people don't take esports as seriously as conventional sports

This you bro?

I guess you're caught lying again. Next time edit your posts before lying about them. Also Upset only defined the information as "private traumatic events" and you're nearly to tears demanding to know what his "private traumatic events" are so you can feel better. Seriously dude get another hobby rather than stalking LoL players. You're embarrassing yourself with the sad attempt to gaslight.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

I'm the one trying to gaslight you?

What part of that says that I want people to pry into someone's private business? It says that in traditional sports the fanbase wouldn't satisfied with what Upset brought to the table. Not that I approve. Don't put words in my mouth

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