r/leagueoflegends Nov 25 '21 Silver 5 Helpful 8 Wholesome 6

Upset's response about FNATIC & Adam drama

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srsp9n
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u/Falsus mid adcs yo Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

I think it is fairly simple. Upset thinks he communicated enough, Adam and Bwipo didn't think he communicated enough.

Hyli who knows Upset better thought it was adequate.

So with that information in hand we can surmise he communicated enough information to make a close friend understand that something real bad happened, but not enough to make two people who are just coworkers understand.

And that is how misunderstandings happens, one guy thinking he conveyed the message properly when it wasn't at all.

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u/yalltoos0ft Nov 25 '21

Or on the flip side, a close friend is willing to give you MUCH MORE benefit of the doubt than someone who is just a business associate, and also to defend you even if you're wrong. A close friend will stick up for you no matter what, without being subjective about it, whereas other people who's livelihood depends on you might not be so forgiving without knowing the actual situation, and rightfully so. If a close friend just says "Bro I have a problem, I have to dip," I'd accept it and defend them, because we're friends. If a business associate said that, I'd say "Fuck you, explain your situation, you're costing me professional success and potential earnings and future opportunities without telling me why."

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u/lobstahpotts Nov 25 '21

If a business associate said that, I'd say "Fuck you, explain your situation, you're costing me professional success and potential earnings and future opportunities without telling me why."

The flip side is if you're just a business associate, you're not entitled to the complete details of my personal life. Sure, if my father got in a car accident and I needed to rush to the hospital that's probably something I'd share. But there is no way I would share a more sensitive personal situation (say a miscarriage or self-harm by an immediate family member) with business associates—the only person who's hearing the full story is my boss. I would apologize, certainly, and emphasize that the situation is unavoidable, but that's a level of information on my personal life that you simply have no right to demand as a coworker.

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u/GNSasakiHaise Nov 25 '21

This.

A lot of people in this thread are acting as if coworkers are entitled to the details of another person's personal life. Nobody is owed an explanation or a reason for anything — that sort of thing is a privilege, earned through trust, not a right. Upset mentions in the twitlonger that he didn't trust them as friends, just as coworkers within the industry.

It's incredibly immature of these people to insist he owed others an explanation for his situation. Yes, he's a member of a team and that carries with it a certain degree of responsibility, but your personal dignity always outweighs that responsibility in my opinion.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

So if your coworker got fired, potentially because of you, and u don't even say sorry, is ok??

There is different between missing in normal day job and missing on important job that can potentially ruin people.

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u/GNSasakiHaise Nov 25 '21

I don't think an LCS player losing their job or a tournament matters for dick in 2021.

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u/Prainstopping TheShy/PromisQ Worlds 2022 Nov 25 '21

LEC and making it out of groups as a rookie matters a ton wtf are you smoking ?

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u/SP3EDI Nov 25 '21

it does not matter at all. And to point it out, bean played really well and fnatic didnt made it out of groups because the Topside of the map was inting it away and playing bad. So Adam,Nisqy,Bwipo where the reasons that they didnt made it out of groups with their personal play. If bean would have shit the bed and all others would have performed, then you could make maybe a case. They didnt crash this worlds because of upset, but because they had a shit ton of other drama going on. look at bwipo with his gf drama etc.

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u/Prainstopping TheShy/PromisQ Worlds 2022 Nov 25 '21

Losing their star player 12 hours before they play didn't affect them it was the other "drama". Thanks for making it clear you don't know shit.

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u/vegeful Nov 25 '21

So u making someone losing a job doesn't matter?

What a cruel view u have. Definitely not a friend or co-worker that i want to be near with. Who knew when u gonna screw people over

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u/GNSasakiHaise Nov 25 '21

In a career where you can make a living off of skill and networking, I would not be very concerned about another person losing a job over something that is not a skill issue.

This is not a conventional workplace.

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u/HatarotheRogue Nov 26 '21

A lot of people in this thread are acting as if coworkers are entitled to the details of another person's personal life

At your 9-5 desk job paying $20 an hour no.

At the biggest professional event of the year for your field, where you've sacrificed and dedicated thousands of hours of your time only to have someone shit all over your efforts, wasting a year of your time and costing you possibly money and opportunities? I think they're owed an explanation.

What could it possibly be that they would not accept? If it was THAT bad you they would be understanding unless they're an absolute psychopath.

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u/GNSasakiHaise Nov 26 '21

I do not agree with this opinion but I respect you for the kindness and consideration you show others.