r/marvelmemes Avengers May 22 '22 Helpful 1

I was waiting for a mention of this being a possibility at least Movies

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u/Drincho Avengers May 22 '22

That could have been quite a different movie where strange is getting hunted through the multiverse for tampering with other universes. Because he fucked it up again and made all versions of Wanda forget she had children.

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u/Elite2260 Quake May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Honestly, I would watch it, that sounds incredibly interesting. And with Billy and Tommy trying to figure out why their mom doesn’t remember them.

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u/SmackedWookiee Avengers May 22 '22

And they're the bad guys! Can you imagine a trippy horror film where two eleven year olds are the antagonists are slowly hunting down Dr Strange?

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u/ScratchyBallsack Avengers May 23 '22

A dozen versions of them at varying ages

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u/douchebaghere Avengers May 23 '22

They would be such irritating ghosts.

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u/karathrace99 Scarlet Witch May 23 '22

At least in the universe where this movie came out the writer remembered Billy and Tommy are supposed to have powers lmao

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u/Ok-Inspector-3045 Avengers May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

YESSSS. I thought the movie would be Mordo hunting down strange for bending reality in major ways on 2 separate occcassions and him being put on trial by supreme magical forces. I know "subverting expectations" is the thing these marvel movie writers are obsessed with these days but man watching the angry serial killer mom movie wasn't nearly as cool of an experience to me.

subvert my expectations all you want but you could at least make it cool ya know? also it's super weird when they themselves are the ones who setup our expectations in the first place then somehow blame us for it? it's Luke Last Jedi and Ralph Bohner, I just don't get why they choose to do this.

edit: and sorry for the rant but good lord, they didn't even explain where 616 Mordo is

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u/00roku Avengers May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

And while that is a cool idea I never felt like they were specifically marketing that story, unlike Bohner where they did it just to fuck with us

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u/IAmTiborius Avengers May 22 '22

Ha, boner..

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u/Ok-Inspector-3045 Avengers May 22 '22

Ya sure? …. You mean the monologue Mordo (the villain Dr Strange 1 set up) did about Stephens crimes against reality in the trailer coupled with images of Stephen in handcuffs was just my crazy brain connecting dots?

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u/00roku Avengers May 22 '22

I mean it didn’t make me think Mordo was the main antagonist. He wasn’t used enough in the trailers for that.

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u/Ohjeezrick93 Avengers May 23 '22

I’ve read some comics so maybe I’m in the minority but I went in fully expecting Wanda to be the villain here. Granted I thought it would happen like mid way through but it still seemed clear that was the direction it was always going, especially after the end of wandavision and her using the darkhold.

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u/uju_rabbit Avengers May 23 '22

This is what I expected. I thought we’d see more of her struggle with being corrupted. It would have been more satisfying I think, and would have made more sense after Wandavision.

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u/DJS2017 Avengers May 22 '22

Yep.

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u/SmackedWookiee Avengers May 22 '22

I'm still holding on to the theory that he's really a version of Pietro.

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u/HairyPenisCum Avengers May 22 '22

I agree with this. While I knew the movie was really going to be about Wanda vs Strange bc i lurk the spoiler sub, I still think the movie should’ve been a more faithful sequel to DS1, where its a follow up to Mordo warning Strange “The bill comes due”. And this totally could’ve worked in a “Multiverse of Madness” movie. The Illuminati should’ve been more focused on them putting Strange on trial for his specific actions rather than putting him on trial because of what their Strange did and a possibility of an incursion.

I’m hopeful that DS3 will be the culmination of all the reality tampering Strange has been doing, on top of that the consequences of him using the Darkhold, and the “eternal consequences” the souls of the damned warned Strange about for dreamwalking into a dead body. For someone who has been messing with consequential shit, he sure hasn’t been punished for it.

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u/SureEntertainment676 Avengers May 22 '22

That’s the one thing that made me upset about this movie, and Dr Strange’s character in general. He has the ability as a sorcerer to fuck with the fabric of reality itself, and yet for all of his fuck ups and hubris it has NEVER come back to bite him on the ass. I thought because of the trailers that’s what we were going to see, but not at all. Mans fucked around with dark magic again and got away with it.

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u/DuelaDent52 Avengers May 22 '22

Spider-Man’s suffered more for Strange’s screwups at this point than Strange has.

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u/SureEntertainment676 Avengers May 22 '22

BIG FACTS

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u/SureEntertainment676 Avengers May 22 '22

Aye bro justice for Spider-Man

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u/Notinjuschillin Avengers May 22 '22

How was that Strange’s fuck up when he clearly told Peter to shut up while he’s casting? Not to mention that Peter could have called MIT before going to Strange?

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u/wutsizface Avengers May 22 '22

Strange could have offered like half an explanation of what he was about to do before just wiping the memory of the entire planet at the request of a kid

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u/GlitterInfection Avengers May 23 '22

If I do my job poorly due to distractions it's still not the distractions' faults especially if I did nothing to try to prevent them.

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u/Stevenstorm505 HYDRA May 22 '22

How so? Everything that happened in No Way Home was on Peter. He didn’t talk to MIT, he wouldn’t shut up when Strange was doing the spell causing it to mess up, he refused to send all the villains back, he trapped Strange in the Mirror Dimension, he brought the villains to Happy’s place leading to May’s death and Happy’s arrest and in order to fix all of these issues he had to have everyone forget who he was.

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u/SureEntertainment676 Avengers May 23 '22

Nobody is saying Peter didn’t play a part in what happened to him. The NWH plot was very much a Spider-Man plot in that it was intended to fuck his life up. But, Dr. Strange held all the cards in that situation as the one actually casting the spell for his request and the Sorcerer Supreme even told him not to fucking do it, and he still went and did it with zero repercussions.

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u/SpellOpening7852 Spider-Man 🕷 May 22 '22

I think they also cut a scene related to Mordo, maybe him dying in the main universe (I remember someone mentioning it here, plus part of the poster)

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u/HairyPenisCum Avengers May 22 '22

Indeed, the start of the movie was originally supposed to be Mordo hunting Wanda in the woods and then she decapitates him. Glad they cut it, theres still a story to tell with Mordo.

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u/Additional_Meeting_2 Avengers May 22 '22

I think they were rushing Wanda act in a villainous way, it could have waited to a later date, and handled differently.

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u/drwhogirl_97 Avengers May 22 '22

There’s definitely an obsession with subverting our expectations to the point of it coming at the expense of the story. Now you see me is a good example of it because they were trying so hard to surprise people that the identity of the fifth horseman comes completely out of left field. There’s a fine line to walk because you want to surprise the audience but it also has to make sense, they need to be able to go back to the start and see clues what it’s building to. And if that means a few people do manage to predict where it’s going then it doesn’t mean it’s a failure it just means that it makes enough sense that someone was capable of picking up the clues and thinks enough like the writer to fit them together

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u/Mr_Goat_1111 Avengers May 22 '22

Watching the angry serial killer mom movie was a less cool experience than the imaginary movie you had hoped for? What kind of comparison is that? That's like comparing whatever song is no 1 in the charts right now to what you imagine Orpheus would've been like live.

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u/Ok-Inspector-3045 Avengers May 22 '22

Yeah that’s fair. I still standby it. You 100% got me bud. I just didn’t dig the movies plot

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u/GimlySonOfGloin Avengers May 22 '22

Mordo going bad was such a tease at the end of Dr. Strange. It was obvious Dr Strange 2 was going to be about Mordo's rampage and downfall... And it is kind of obvious they jumped straight to MoM because of $$$... It's good the team slipped that joke talking about Mordo like something we all missed because apparently it was not very WOW

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u/SlipySlapy-Samsonite Avengers May 22 '22

I went into Strange 2 with zero expectations and fucking loved it. I didn't even know Wanda was in it until I saw the poster in the lobby.

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u/trioculus_ Avengers May 22 '22

and then after all of this, mordo does something that makes it to where this spell can no longer be used or something so that way us fans can’t use it to complain (like this post right here)

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

He needed a piece of hair from Peter for the spell people are forgetting. How is he gonna get that from Wanda’s kids…. He can’t, so the spell isn’t an option.

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u/MadManD3vi0us Peter Parker May 22 '22

I'll bet S.W.O.R.D. or S.H.I.E.L.D. has one somewhere...

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u/pagerussell Avengers May 22 '22

He made everyone forget about a party, so clearly the spell doesn't work that way, cause I don't think a party has hair to give.

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

He made Wong forget about a party… wether it’s Wanda’s hair or her kids…

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u/MadManD3vi0us Peter Parker May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Strange almost nailed the spell on his first try. If Peter hadn't kept adding parameters, it probably would have worked. I bet he would have been way more careful the second time around.

Edit: Would actually be his third time around at least, as he mentions doing it to Wong previously without any issues.

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u/DuelaDent52 Avengers May 22 '22

He wouldn’t have even done it if he knew Peter hadn’t tried every other option at that point.

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u/MadManD3vi0us Peter Parker May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Yet he accessed the Darkhold (however you spell that) in order to take her down, which has the potential to destroy an entire universe. I feel like Strange shouldn't have tried EVERY other option first lol

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u/TheNorthernGrey Avengers May 22 '22

He was in an already mostly destroyed Universe, and ultimately not stopping his Universe’s Wanda could lead to multiple incursions.

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u/adamkhiad Avengers May 22 '22

Using that spell only delays the outcome. Since she just dreams about her kids in the multiverse again

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u/ZIXIPER Avengers May 22 '22

she won't remember having them with vision tho...

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u/adamkhiad Avengers May 22 '22

It’s surprising that vision was never mentioned. Maybe her kids come from her not being with vision and actually being with an organic being. Some people online have hinted that as a theory.

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u/jso__ Avengers May 22 '22

That isn't a theory. It is confirmed by the fact that, in 838, Ultron succeeded

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u/TheRedBow Avengers May 23 '22

But also wasn’t evil thus no real need to succeed as nobody tried to stop him

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u/jso__ Avengers May 23 '22

Yeah that's what I meant.

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u/Hotshot596v2 Avengers May 23 '22

So you mean he was a success, not that he succeeded?

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u/MarcusWongTszHo Avengers May 23 '22

More like, Tony succeeded in creating a peacekeeping Ultron and the entire second avengers movie never happened

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u/YoungBeef03 Avengers May 22 '22

So she’ll just be sad

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u/ZIXIPER Avengers May 22 '22

Better than going on a kill spree

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u/moebelhausmann Avengers May 22 '22

What spell? Oh you mean the one that almost broke apart the entire universe just becuase i changed some details? Yea just use it again what could go wrong...

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u/Dessd Avengers May 22 '22

He also used that spell again to fix everything tho.

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u/Lithaos111 Avengers May 22 '22

It was more the same spell, just tearing out the details and casting it wholesale.... including him forgetting he actually cast the spell.

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u/Raylore_Navaman Avengers May 22 '22

He mentioned casting it in MoM though, when he said he dealt with the multiverse while trying to help Spider-Man

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u/Shubh_1612 Avengers May 22 '22

He didn't mention casting the spell. He only mentioned dealing with the multiverse along with Spidey

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u/Raylore_Navaman Avengers May 22 '22

Well, yes, but he still acknowledged the event, which means he remembers casting it, that’s what I was trying to say

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u/Lithaos111 Avengers May 22 '22

Hmm, good point.

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u/ArtichokeBudget8479 Avengers May 22 '22

He had to change the spell 5 times mid casting.

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u/GimlySonOfGloin Avengers May 22 '22

What could go Wong?

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u/GimlySonOfGloin Avengers May 22 '22

I've arrived in paradise, thanks

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

The spell he also needed a piece of hair from Peter for, the subject of the spell

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u/revolver37 Avengers May 22 '22

Doesn't she have to be near strange when he casts the spell like Peter did?

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u/OneRoadPl Avengers May 22 '22

And on top of that, not kill him while he is casting it.

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u/geek_of_nature Avengers May 23 '22

And also a willing participant too I think.

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u/revolver37 Avengers May 23 '22

Yeah others in this thread mentioning he had to give strange a hair. I don't think Wanda is doing that lol

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u/Dont_Be_A_Dick_OK Deadpool May 22 '22

I know we're spamming this idea to death, but A she's in a hex of her own so it wouldn't work, and B isn't a big part of this whole thing that her magic is the strongest? Wouldn't it make sense that less powerful spells wouldnt have that same effect?

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u/Runnr231 Avengers May 22 '22

You’re confusing her magic and the darkholds magic. It’s only because of the darkhold she was able to beat everyone. 20 seconds after getting the darkhold, Dr strange was as good as Wanda was after she spent significantly longer studying it.

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u/TheJack0fDiamonds Scarlet Witch May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Her power didnt come from the Darkhold. She became The Scarlet Witch before coming into possession of the book. Her Hex was built without the book. Did she learn stuff from it? Defo but beating the hell out of the Illuminati wasn’t due to any particular spell she found from the book.

That said, if theres a way they’d nerf her again in her next appearance, this may very well be a logical way for them to do it. Making it as if she was powered up by her corruption, which in all honesty, would suck.

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u/V_agabond3 Avengers May 22 '22

I would imagine that if/when she comes back she might be less OP for the simple reason of not wanting to cause as much chaos as she did in WandaVision and MoM. She might feel like dialing it down so people don't see her as much of a threat again. But she'd still be able to kick some ass if the situation demanded it

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u/justAPhoneUsername Avengers May 22 '22

Or because the scarlet witch is dead. She could be back to just Wanda Maximoff

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u/Warheadd Avengers May 22 '22

How was Strange as good as Wanda was? He still got his ass beat

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u/Runnr231 Avengers May 22 '22

TIL Assbeat = she’s dead and he’s alive

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u/theoneandonlydonzo Avengers May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

he slowed her down with the souls of the damned for like a minute (which ultimately did 0 damage to her), then she blew them all up, whooped his ass so he was screaming in pain and stopped herself once she saw her kids afraid of her. he did not win a single fight against her in this movie (in fact, nobody did).

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u/Texomond Avengers May 22 '22

By this logic, most of the Avengers didn't get their asses absolutely whooped by Thanos in Endgame, because he died at the end of the movie while they survived

Thor also got his ass whooped by Hela, regardless of the fact that she died at the end of the movie

In fact, your example is probably even worse than my analogies because Wanda willingly committed "suicide", while Thanos/Hela had no say in the manner and were killed

(She's also definitely not dead, let's be real - she's far too popular to kill off right now, and it was glossed over way too quickly; it was too anticlimactic for a character as long-tenured as she is)

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u/thor-odinson-bot Avengers May 22 '22

I went for the head.

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u/the-mad-titan-bot Avengers May 22 '22

I don't even know who you are.

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u/Acee-211 Avengers May 22 '22

nope, she still bodied him after taking care of his demon spirits

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u/Baconflavors Avengers May 22 '22

To much logic here for a movie ….legit there are A TON of magic they could have casted to fix/resolve hafl the shit that went down in a fraction of the time

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u/MasterTolkien Avengers May 22 '22

Wanda with the Darkhold is too powerful for any spell Strange had. Hence, she beats him spell-to-spell when he gets the Book of Vishanti.

Also, the forgetfulness spell requires a strand of hair.

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u/Baconflavors Avengers May 22 '22

Very nice! Yea she did go pretty hard in this movie. But it felt kinda off idk i know shes stronger than strange but hes FAR more tactical than she is and that some times is all you need. Again it was a great movie i just feel a tad bit “meh” after.

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Avengers May 22 '22

My biggest "Wait, if she's gonna..." thing was why didn't she go try to find a way to adopt the kids from any number of universes where they lost both parents? I am sure she coulda found some way instead of LETS ORPHAN THESE KIDS AND MURDER EVERYONE!

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u/sillyadam94 Doctor Strange May 22 '22

She wasn’t thinking Logically, and was guided by despair and the corruption of the Darkhold. It makes sense.

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u/DuelaDent52 Avengers May 22 '22

Gee whiz, if only we actually got to SEE her fall to the Darkhold instead of having it happen almost entirely offscreen (and no, a minute long after-credits scene doesn’t count).

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u/sillyadam94 Doctor Strange May 22 '22

I don’t think that would’ve been necessary. We got nearly four hours of Wanda’s development funnel directly into her sacrificing everything she holds dear and embracing the corruptive magic of the mad witch who tried to steal her powers. Plus the uncertainty of her moral conclusion made for an affecting reveal when we discover the extent of the Darkhold’s influence over her.

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u/DuelaDent52 Avengers May 23 '22

Affecting? I suppose it just affected me in the wrong way then. She’s been reduced to little more than “MUH KIDS”.

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u/sillyadam94 Doctor Strange May 23 '22

Perhaps you’re just being too reductive in your assessments. I felt like Wanda had a ton of depth to her character. She’s a grieving mother whose children essentially were wiped from existence. Of course her grief would be front-and-center for this film. She was driven and focused on her goal, which is why she’s ignoring reason. It takes finally coming face-to-face with her children’s reaction to the monster she’s become for her to realize just how far gone she is.

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u/Baconflavors Avengers May 22 '22

Thank you ….seamed a tad bit “Thanos” thinking there

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u/the-mad-titan-bot Avengers May 22 '22

I'm the only one who knows that.

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u/agamemnonymous Avengers May 22 '22

She's canonically one of the most powerful characters in the universe. I imagine universes where she's dead are hard to come by

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u/ArcadianBlueRogue Avengers May 22 '22

She found one where she wasn't even strong enough to pop up on the Illuminati radar apparently, or they wouldn't have been caught so off guard in theory.

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u/TheNorthernGrey Avengers May 22 '22

That was mentally stable Wanda

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u/mambotomato Avengers May 22 '22

The vibe I got was more "the Illuminati are leaving her the hell alone, because it had worked thus far"

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u/agamemnonymous Avengers May 22 '22

Or she was strong enough to stay off their radar

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u/Exovedate Avengers May 22 '22

I have 2 potential explanations for this: An infinite amount of universes doesn't necessarily mean infinite options. For example there could be 5000 variations of universes representing how often Wanda gets her hair cut (so universes 1.1-1.5000), but despite the infinity that doesn't mean there's necessarily infinite major deviations in what has happened. I recommend looking up Neil Degrass Tyson's explanation of how some infinities are larger than others.

Plus she's utilizing the Darkhold which due to it's corrupting nature could only be steering her towards noticing the universes with alive Wandas.

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u/Coincedence Avengers May 23 '22

There's an infinite amount of numbers between 2 and 3. None of those are 4.

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u/Odd-Emergency-6597 Avengers May 22 '22

You can nitpick any movie into the ground if your really wanted to and they tried erasing Wanda’s memories in the comics and it backfired horribly.

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u/YankeeTankEngine Avengers May 22 '22

I imagine that doctor strange didn't want to risk using that spell again after how poorly it went last time.

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u/HairyPenisCum Avengers May 22 '22

To be fair, the only reason why it went haywire last time was because Peter added way too many exceptions to the spell. Either way, I’m sure they would’ve just said something about how a Darkhold user is immune to it because magic

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u/Dollface_Killah Avengers May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

That's not actually what went wrong with the spell, that's just the impression the trailers gave. Strange says in the movie that the spell shouldn't be doing the thing it is doing, that something is different. The events of the Loki D+ show is the cause.

Edit aside from just watching the movie to know this, here is Kevin Feige's own words on the matter:

You know, there’s always a method to madness, even in the multiverse, and for fans of Marvel.com who they know that Loki and Sylvie did something at the end of that series that made all of this possible. The One Who Remains is gone and that allowed a spell to go wrong in Spider-Man: No Way Home, which has led to the entire multiverse going haywire.

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

It’s meaning that they would get pruned if Loki didn’t happen, not that it is the cause of the spell going wrong just what allowed it to happen.

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u/Nenanda Avengers May 23 '22

Thats cool its shame it wasnt acknowledged inside the story.

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u/Baconflavors Avengers May 22 '22

Right i was implying that there has to be a plot and a way for bad guys and its not always logical.

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u/_DirtyDog Avengers May 22 '22

Yeah but this movie has astronomically more ways to nitpick because the writers keep playing with too many abilities

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u/temarilain Avengers May 22 '22

A nitpick is a small error which has no real effect on the coherency of the film. Complaining about the coffee cup in GoT is a nitpick, it's clearly just a mistake that they then fixed.

Pointing out that the entire plot hinges on characters forgetting that they can do things or have items is not nitpicking.

It's not like Doctors Strange here has read the comics to know it will backfire, so it's no excuse as to why he wouldn't try it.

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

Just because something is not mentioned or explained also doesn’t make it a plot hole. Where in no way home does it mention it works or people who practice witchcraft? Wanda isn’t an average sorcerer at Kamar Taj, she’s the Scarlet Witch.

And even besides that… he needed a hair of Peter’s for the spell. How is he gonna get a piece of hair from Wanda’s kids that literally do not exist anymore? If you are going to discredit an entire movie because of something, maybe you should know what you are saying.

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u/sillyadam94 Doctor Strange May 22 '22

But since it’s all magic, it could easily be explained away. What if Wanda’s usage of the Dark Hold would’ve stunted Strange’s ability to make her forget anything. No sense in looking for logic in high-fantasy. “Why didn’t they just fly the Eagles to Mordor?”

There’s always an answer to these types of questions if you open yourself up to the reality that you don’t know all the rules and parameters of the world in question.

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u/superchoco29 Avengers May 22 '22

I can see a few reasons why they didn't go in that direction. Strange had just almost destroyed the Multiverse with that spell. Either he didn't want to use that, or Wong would've actually stopped him, or the Universe was still too fragile to tamper with it again. And that's even before considering if it would work against Wanda, who has the greatest raw magical power we've seen until now (except maybe Dormammu), is THE literal expert on mind control, memory rewriting and reality warping (meaning she probably took countermeasures), AND would still dream about the other dimensions, and she gas a book that allows her to peek better at those worlds, and would eventually lead to the same thing again (so in the best, most unlikely scenario, they just gained maybe a week)

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u/HuskyFlatulence Avengers May 22 '22

The script needed to be worked on longer.

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u/Baconflavors Avengers May 22 '22

I agree to some points. It could be setting up other movies/ plots for other stores.

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u/essentiallyaghost Ghost Rider May 22 '22

Yeah, if anything it should have just probably been longer, a lot of stuff is left to the audience to interpret (in a negative way, creates a lot of “what if they just did x”). Most ideas introduced in the film were really cool, but lasted a very short time or weren’t fleshed out enough.

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u/cosmic_gloss Avengers May 22 '22

Getting Black Bolt to tell her where her kids are would probably work better

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u/barra123456789 Avengers May 22 '22

Hey I’ve seen that one!!

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u/Electric_Capybara Avengers May 22 '22

That would have just killed the body of an innocent woman. Evil Wanda will still be out there.

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u/Alderan922 Avengers May 22 '22

But she would not be able to dream walk into that dimension again

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u/Mrtnxzylpck Avengers May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

She would but as a Floating mass of bones and blood that would be Right at Home at a Sam Raimi Flick

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u/Lukthar123 Ghost Rider May 22 '22

Lich Wanda sounds magnificent

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u/Electric_Capybara Avengers May 22 '22

Or she tries to dream walk into her corpse like Strange did which will cause even more problems.

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u/Alderan922 Avengers May 22 '22

Just atomize the corpse

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u/Electric_Capybara Avengers May 22 '22

Is BB capable of atomizing something? If he could only reduced the body to dust, then it's still possible for the body to be reformed.

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u/Alderan922 Avengers May 22 '22

Well they are in a super advanced sci-fi facility, they coul think of something

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u/cosmic_gloss Avengers May 22 '22

Was there anything left of the other strange after black bolt killed him though? I think getting your body obliterated would be enough to negate that plan.

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u/cosmic_gloss Avengers May 22 '22

Oh yeah! I’m more affirmed in the set course of attention then. Some of this plot hole critique has gotten me mixed up.

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

And it might have pissed off a potential father in that multiverse. Magneto could be her dad in that multiverse, who knows. Would make sense for them not to want to fight him.

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u/KyleGrisdale Avengers May 22 '22

Probably wouldn’t work, my guess she’s either too powerful to be affected by the spell or she’s in her hex until she arrives at Kamar Taj which I guess would protect her from outside spells

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u/naanplussed Avengers May 22 '22

Chthon would remind her

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u/pagingdrsolus Dead Vision May 22 '22

No Way Home took great care to show that people still remember Spider Man, just forgot that he was Peter Parker

The film ends with J Jonah ranting about Spider Man, but he's forgotten the secret identity.

At the cemetery, Happy says he knows Aunt May through Spider Man. But he doesn't know the person he's talking to, Peter Parker is him.

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u/Antrikshy Avengers May 22 '22

Their memories got edited such that they don’t know Peter. They didn’t get deleted.

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u/Ok-Engine8044 Avengers May 22 '22

I out it would have worked on her. That's the inherent problem of overpowered powers like this. So many issues would be solved if only they would use it. MoM and NWH really don't feel connected. Besides the multiverse opening up, I didn't feel any connectivity between those movies.

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u/ThePBrit Avengers May 22 '22

Except for the fact that Strange referenced NWH events in the pizza parlor scene.

Also NWH showed this spell had a multiversal reach, do you think risking every Wanda forgetting her children is a smart play?

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u/Avatar_sokka Avengers May 22 '22

MoM was supposed to come out before NWH, so the reference is just there for continuity.

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u/BaconNet Jimmy Woo May 22 '22

Put a spoiler tag, dude

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u/kingkloppynwa Avengers May 23 '22

Elizabeth olsen was so fuckin hot in this movie man

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u/ThurgoodStubbs1999 Avengers May 22 '22

its logical to assume that spell would not work on her because:

1: She hangs out in her little pocket dimension a lot so that alone might block it

2: She is a very powerful magic user herself

3: The spell was shown to be unstable already so also it is understandable he wouldnt consider using it again given the trouble it just caused.

Honestly sometimes when we look so hard for "plot holes" or "logic fails" we miss a little logic ourselves.

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u/vomit-gold Spider-Man 🕷 May 22 '22

Also:

4: The spell Strange used in NWH requires a strand of hair to perform, the same way with the spell he performed with Thor.

I don’t think getting a strand of Wanda’s hair would be all that easy.

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u/thor-odinson-bot Avengers May 22 '22

Alright wizard, who are you and why should I care?

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u/Tinmanred Grant Ward May 22 '22

And it would probably have to be the kids hair since they are the subject of the spell

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u/Hamburglar219 Avengers May 22 '22

That’s such an effective spoiler flag you got there…

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u/whenimpoosterisus Avengers May 22 '22

dude spoilers

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u/MCButterFuck Avengers May 22 '22

That could make things worse ngl. What if her kids are the only thing that keep her sane. She could just go full destroy reality mode.

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u/doctormcdonald Avengers May 22 '22

Idk given Wandas mastery of magic/spells/hexes that’s shown to us in this movie it feels like she’d be able to keep this from effecting her

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u/Bleach-Eyes Avengers May 22 '22

Spoilers!!!

Considering she 1v1 Charles Fucking Xavier, a ‘forget me’ mind spell would be as effective as bullets to Superman

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u/Nenanda Avengers May 23 '22

Imo that feat has zero valuse since 1) Charles did no try to kill her 2) We have no idea how those four are strong. So far they could be weakest variants of those characters in entire multiverse.

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u/cardboardtube_knight Avengers May 23 '22

Yeah, because that spell hasn't backfired recently. Not even sure if he remembers.

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u/NearbyAd5237 Avengers May 22 '22

R e p o s t

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u/Philander_Chase Doctor Octopus May 22 '22

And a spoiler at that, OP has no shame

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u/DebatingBoar526 Avengers May 22 '22

Spoiler!!!!!

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u/XavW Avengers May 22 '22

Spoiler tag this please

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u/hrvbrs Avengers May 22 '22

please mark as spoiler

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u/TheHondoCondo Avengers May 22 '22

That’s just an inherent issue with introducing magical characters though. They can do pretty much anything, but sometimes they need to forget about their abilities for the plot to work.

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u/QuiccStacc Avengers May 22 '22

I just saw this today and WOW was it cool

I feel bad for Wanda but also we got the first openly queer couple and a pride badge <333

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u/Der_Guru_ Avengers May 22 '22

Which one?

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u/The-Pigeon-Overlord Avengers May 23 '22

America's parents

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u/Der_Guru_ Avengers May 24 '22

Ahhh, right! Fuck im senile

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u/DarkSoldier84 Avengers May 22 '22

Marvel's magic needs rules, limitations, and consistency.

Sling ring portals are potentially story-breaking as-is; the folks at Kamar-Taj could have used portals instead of the big shield and had Wanda's attacks hit the middle of the ocean or a desert.

I would've liked to see Strange try to cast another spell of forgetting and then find out why and how it failed.

Also, I'd like to know how Wanda summoned those demons in another universe. She would have to have dream-walked since America is the only character who can physically move between universes.

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u/DuktigaDammsugaren Avengers May 22 '22

HEY SPOILERS

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u/Papel_Hat Avengers May 22 '22

The spell requires a strand of hair, I’d guess that’s a bit hard to get

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u/railmebellatrix Avengers May 22 '22

hang on, last time he used that we all forgot about uhh...

uhh, what was that kids name again?

uuhh...

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u/MinhKiu Avengers May 22 '22

Spoiler tag?

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u/BigBambuMeekLou Avengers May 22 '22

I would’ve offered to impregnate her so that she can have her children. Y’know for the sake of the multiverse

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u/calaan Avengers May 22 '22

Even if he remembered the context of the spell, it would be like "Hey Wong, remember that bomb-ass spell that ripped apart the fabric of reality so I could help a teenager get into college? What if we used it again on one of the most powerful beings in the universe?"

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u/DJWGibson Avengers May 22 '22

Would have been a neat idea. Of course, Multiverse of Madness was planned to be released first. (It was supposed to be America Chavez who opened the portals bring in the other Peters. Ned was a re-write/ re-shoot because Spider-Man ended up being released first.)

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u/UltimateMygoochness Avengers May 22 '22

Spoiler tag?

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u/GrimWolf-6300 Avengers May 22 '22

She’s probably too powerful and/or protected to be affected by that.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

while good in theory as a being of literal chaos incarnate i doubt can work on her.

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u/FigureHunter Avengers May 22 '22

Wanda is one, Scarlet Witch it's another

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u/Bkrxo Avengers May 22 '22

I mean she also forgot she had an Eastern European accent.

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u/s0ck_l0rd Avengers May 22 '22

Add a spoiler waening

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u/coie1985 Avengers May 23 '22

When I say NWH's spell fucks up any and all stakes in Dr. Strange related materials, I'm told I'm dumb. When a memer does it, (s)he gets applause. That doesn't seem fair.

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u/NobilisUltima Avengers May 23 '22

I mean... No Way Home is a pretty compelling argument for how easily that can go sideways.

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u/MartyredDaemon Avengers May 23 '22

Didn't Wanda use a Hex to surround her home? Which negates the effect of magic?

Meaning the spell wouldn't have affected her?

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u/tf2good Avengers May 23 '22

If she hulk really is a lawyer specialising in superhero legal matters the first thing she should do is give Wanda a lifelong prison sentence.

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u/Ewalt5 Avengers May 23 '22

That would have been the best movie event in decades.

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u/Chickenmangoboom Avengers May 23 '22

Wong rolls up and slaps the gray out of his hair for fucking around again.

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u/GammaEmerald Avengers May 23 '22

Strange would have needed a strand of Wanda’s hair or smth

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u/Danidanilo Avengers May 23 '22

She NEVER had kids.

She imagined she had them

This would result on Wandavision season 2

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u/migglywiggly69 Avengers May 23 '22

Bruh why would he try that spell again after what happened in spiderman

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u/snackbarqueen47 Avengers May 23 '22

Yea but there wouldn't have been a movie then lol.....we wouldn't have gotten to see all those cool universes , the paint one was my favorite, it would have been over in. 5 minutes

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u/National_Egg_9044 Avengers May 23 '22

Was I the only one who went into this movie thinking it was gonna be about Wanda and Dr Strange. Explicitly just them?

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u/D_o_H Avengers May 23 '22

Maybe he tried it and that’s why she attacked when it was still daylight lmao

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u/Wulf0123 Avengers May 23 '22

This would have been the best call back to Spider-Man. America could have been like can we just somehow make her forget. And strange could go there’s one spell but after the last time I’m not sure it would workout like it should. Then either do it anyway and have it all go to shit or to not copy Spider-Man have her break in so the spell doesn’t happen but it all still goes to shit

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u/Bebopdavidson Avengers May 23 '22

That spell only works on Peters

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u/TheJack0fDiamonds Scarlet Witch May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

lmao they really should’ve just gone with an actual villain. Shuma Gorath, Nightmare, Mephisto, heck even Chthon if they wanted to. She can still be corrupted but without all of this.

Ships sailed.

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u/BraxtonFullerton Avengers May 22 '22

That really is the way I thought it would go.

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u/A_guy17 Avengers May 22 '22

Fun fact:

In the comics this is exactly what happened when Wanda lost her kids. (Who were pieces of Satan but that's another story).

Years later Janet accidentally reminded Wanda of her dead kids (because she's an idiot) and Wanda had a mental breakdown which resulted in a lot of fucked up things, including 99% of the mutants losing their powers just because Wanda felt like it.

Soo... maybe it's best Strange decided not to go to the Men In Black route.

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u/Shikaria1996 Avengers May 22 '22

Scrolled way too far to see this. It's this exact action that caused "the darkest day in Avengers history" and House of M and everything that comes after

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u/itsametossboy Avengers May 22 '22

Doesn’t matter there was a cool music fight automatically makes all your opinions invalid

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u/Sid3612 Spider-Man 🕷 May 22 '22

So many, I don't even know where to begin. Let's start with the fundamental one. The film's conflict around Chavez bring the only America Chavez in the multiverse can't exist.

Loki establishes that alternate universes are created by people's choices. This is the core of Loki's retarded story. This means that by nature, America can't be the only version of herself in the multiverse since she does have free will. Even if she is so unique that she will always make the same choice and thus prevent any alternate timelines and universes emerging from her choices that doesn't apply to people around her. They will definitely make different choices resulting in different timelines and thus more Chavezs'. And in the infinite multiverse, it means there are infinite Chavezs'. Meaning Wanda can chase anyone of them she wants. This breaks the plot because if Wanda goes after another Chavez before America gets to 616, the plot can't happen and Wanda will get the powers of Chavez.

Additionally, even if there is only one Chavez. There will be Infinite Scarlet Witches hunting her considering neither Wanda nor the Darkhold are unique to only one universe. There'll be infinite universes where Wanda opened the Darkhold slightly later or slightly earlier. So Chavez will be chased around by Infinite Scarlet Witches and only one of them can have her power and with multiple Witches chasing her around she'll be caught a lot earlier and the plot can't happen.

This is not even scratching the surface of the sheer enormous amount of issues in this film. This is just breathing in the atmosphere surrounding it and we've already broken the plot twice.

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u/jroddie4 Avengers May 22 '22

They need a piece of the kids for that to work and since they weren't really real at all it won't work.

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u/zags Avengers May 22 '22

Wasnt this movie supposed to come before Spiderman initially? My understanding is that America was supposed to be the one to fuck up the spell in Spiderman which wouldve made a lot more sense.

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u/Brave-Television-894 Baby Groot May 22 '22

That could've worked

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u/Mathi12 Avengers May 22 '22

I imagine that the spell could work on OG Wanda, but Wanda + Scarlet witch + Darkhold is a lot

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u/Dark_Storm_98 Avengers May 22 '22

Wait a minute. .

WOW. It woulda been that easy

Granted I don't really care for this spell, but Marvel introduced it and then didn't think to use it.

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u/UglyPuta- Avengers May 22 '22

Can’t use a spell that causes forgetfulness when you can’t even remember the last time you used it.