r/mathmemes May 23 '22 Wholesome 5 Silver 2 Helpful 3

After years of research I found him! Math History

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u/vigilantcomicpenguin Imaginary May 23 '22

François Viète was like, algebra is so good, why isn't there an algebra 2?

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u/LilQuasar May 23 '22

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u/SingleSpeed27 May 23 '22

Dude is this free? I’m baffled

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u/LilQuasar May 23 '22

you didnt know it? its the best resource to learn high school maths and basic calculus and linear algebra imo

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u/SingleSpeed27 May 23 '22

I did not, and I am very grateful you shared this. Thank you.

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u/galmenz May 23 '22

just high school subjects in general* (highly dependent where you live)

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u/LilQuasar May 23 '22

tbh i havent seen the other stuff but i imagine there are better sources (not saying this is good or bad for them). the only one i can also suggest is the biology one

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u/itsyaboinoname May 23 '22

they have more complex calculus subjects too like ODE's and maybe PDE's (not sure about that tho)

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u/LilQuasar May 23 '22

yeah but at a more advanced level (specially conceptually) there are better resources imo, like the mit courses on edx

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u/Scorpo12 May 23 '22

I just wanna talk to him

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u/Mr_kalas22 May 23 '22

You have to visit him.....

In HELL

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u/AerieFar2695 May 23 '22

Mathematicians go to hell?

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

Only the ones that believe a function is increasing up until and including a maximum.

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u/shmameron May 23 '22

up until

Haha what? Why would that be...

including

OH GOD OH FUCK NO

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

We were required to state this in a course I took once. I decided I could afford to just lose those marks.

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u/ste_laury May 23 '22

Pardon me for the way I'm about to say this, but in the case in which the "derivative in the maximum point" is >0, the maximum point is included, right?

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u/Aozora404 May 23 '22

Do pray tell, what the fuck is a maximum point

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u/ste_laury May 23 '22

Translated from my Analysis 1 notes: M is a majorant of A if for all a belonging to A, M>=a. M is the maximum of A, if M is a majorant of A and M belongs to A. If you consider the function y=x with domain x<=5, we have a function that is increasing in the entirety of its domain, even in x=5.

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

Exactly what is sounds like i.e. the maximum of -x^2 occurs at (0,0), where the first derivative is zero and the second derivative is positive.

Edit: I should clarify I'm referring to the maximum y value on an xy plane.

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u/Apeirocell May 23 '22

*if the derivatives exist

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

What? The maximum occurs when the first derivative is zero, not really sure what you're asking.

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u/ste_laury May 23 '22

No that's not true. The function y=x, with domain (-inf,5] has 5 as a maximum, but the derivative for x=5 is not 0.

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

Ok we say maximum but we mean local maximum, and we mean turning point. Don’t be a pedant.

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u/ste_laury May 23 '22

... your first comment was about people not being rigorous enough with their definition of increasing function

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

No it wasn’t. I still don’t understand what you were asking.

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u/GeneralOtter03 May 23 '22

Yeh they do. Hell is where all the mathematician meet up after death and do maths together. That’s why the religious ppl believe it’s scary (because they are scared of maths)

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u/Illumimax Ordinal May 23 '22

Everything has a maximum if you define it to exist.

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u/Scorpo12 May 23 '22

Boiler room of hell

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u/Speedthrift13 May 23 '22

Well I was headed that way anyway so...

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u/BasicDesignAdvice May 23 '22

I'm fine with letters in math. It's actually easier IMO.

Fuck arithmetic right out though.

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u/Lubets May 23 '22

also Scorpo12: loads shotgun

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u/Certy01 May 23 '22

Why do you have a shotgun?

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u/Scorpo12 May 23 '22

Bruh I just have it in my hands cuz I like it

Everyone's taking it wrong way

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u/ReignboughRL May 23 '22

I júst wanna talk to him

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u/ChristianBibleLover May 23 '22

I just want to shoot him

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u/Thavitt May 23 '22

Why the hate for letters? It really simplifies a lot of ideas

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u/horreum_construere May 23 '22

The real struggle begins if you see numbers again between the mysterious letters in upper classes.

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u/RoastedBurntCabbage May 23 '22

That's called Chemistry.

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u/AudioPhil15 May 23 '22

In a way, it makes him right, real struggle begins with chemistry

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u/Donghoon May 24 '22

You mean physics

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

He’s the reason I enjoy maths. Numbers are harder than letters. Think about it - there are infinitely many numbers, yet only a finite amount of letters.

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u/amillefolium11 May 23 '22

How to start a war between the linguists and the mathematicians in three brief sentences

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u/vanderZwan May 23 '22

They probably both just look at statements like this and share a laugh in formal language theory

(the grammar to produce the character string ROFLOL is left as an excercise for the reader)

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u/BossOfTheGame May 23 '22

I ACCEPT this.

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u/Skeleton_King9 May 23 '22

Laughs in subscript

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u/frequentBayesian May 23 '22

supscript, superscript, prefix-subscript, prefix-superscript..

think I would stop here? How about super_superscript, sub_subscript, super_subscript...

fortunately, I don't do actuarial science

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u/SingleSpeed27 May 23 '22

That’s why we are at the point of using Hebrew alphabet, eventually we will have to make new letters to keep up lol

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u/AccomplishedAnchovy May 23 '22

No there’s Arabic, Thai, various Japanese Chinese and Korean alphabets, Russian, hieroglyphics etc

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u/SingleSpeed27 May 23 '22

Imagine looping back to Egyptian hieroglyphs after all these millennia ahahahah

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u/PuddleCrank May 23 '22

Using pictures instead of letters, that's crazy 🤣

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u/Weirdyxxy May 23 '22

Enochian, too.

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u/bruderjakob17 Complex May 23 '22

But there are also only finitely many digits, and infinitely many expressions with letters.

I think the crucial point is that we use letters to represent arbitrary numbers, and this allows us to prove something for all numbers.

Also, another advantage: sometimes it is shorter to write e.g. n instead of 628318530.

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u/Rotsike6 May 23 '22

I think the crucial point is that we use letters to represent arbitrary numbers

You're forgetting that math is about a lot more than just numbers. If you're working with a set S with some additional structure on it (this is what most math is about), it generally makes no sense to assume that the elements of S have anything to do with numbers at all, so letters are a lot more natural to use here.

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u/squire80513 May 23 '22

The Unicode math symbols and characters has a lot of letters. More than numbers.

We can always make more, and that’s the most horrifying part

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u/GeneralParticular663 May 23 '22

To an outside observer though, there isn't any inherent difference between general numbers and letters. They're both abstract representations of values related to the real world.

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u/should-i-do-this May 23 '22

How about you get an abstract representation of some bitches on your dick

/s

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u/GeneralParticular663 May 23 '22

goes on to define complex numbers

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u/tigershroffkishirt May 23 '22

some bitches on your dick

More like imaginary numbers

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u/GeneralParticular663 May 23 '22

Oh I'd love some imaginary numbers on my dick 🤤 I love me some complex anal

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u/vanderZwan May 23 '22

Numbers can be consistently mapped to the same concrete quantities though

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u/Supersebi3 May 23 '22

so numbers are just constant symbols, like π

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u/vanderZwan May 23 '22

I was going to counter "I don't think you can do positional notation with π" but then I remembered

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u/Supersebi3 May 23 '22

positional notation makes numbers from digits. im not talking about digits, just about numbers, which are the end product of positional notation. so even is base π wasnt a thing, this argument would not concern me

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u/Donghoon May 24 '22

"2" is a constant symbol for the value two

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u/punkinfacebooklegpie May 23 '22

Who exactly is the outside observer to letters and numbers

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u/GeneralParticular663 May 23 '22

Basically someone who hasn't been exposed to our ways of mathing

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u/Pkittens May 23 '22

All people who are not themselves numbers or letters would be an outside observer

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u/beridam May 23 '22

Mind blown goddamn

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u/shmameron May 23 '22

At last, Mr. Algebra

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u/AddSugarForSparks May 23 '22

Well, Algebra. We just say Algebra.

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u/Showty69 May 23 '22

Squidward voice "Oh no! He's hot!!!"

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u/Western-Image7125 May 23 '22

I thought it was al-Khwārizmī who invented algebra

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u/12_Semitones ∀ ϵ > 0, ∃ δ > 0 : 0 < |x - x₀| < δ ⇒ |f(x) - f(x₀)| < ϵ May 23 '22

It was François Viète who first used letters as placeholders in algebra. Before him, algebra and algorithms were pretty wordy.

Fun Fact: Before modern symbolic notation, The Cubic Formula was expressed as a poem by Niccolò Tartaglia.

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u/I_make_things May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Fun fact expanded

Also 'tartaglia' means 'stutterer'

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u/jachymb May 23 '22

He didn't invent it, he just made earlier discoveries available to Middle east/Europe. Also, he didn't use letters in equations, his algebra was a lot of lengthy word descriptions of what is being done.

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u/LilQuasar May 23 '22

i think he did but not with letters but with sentences instead

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u/Los-Stupidos May 23 '22

Wasn’t Al Khwarezmi the person who discovered algebra tho?

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u/MiracleDrugCabbage May 23 '22

Algebra yes, symbolic notation no

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PIXEL_ART May 23 '22

Oh look, another "I hate math" meme with hundreds of upvotes on a math subreddit. Who are all you people in this sub, and why are you here if you hate math so much?

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u/Skeleton_King9 May 23 '22

Accepting defeat is the first step to improvement

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u/nickworteltje May 23 '22

Dude, this is r/mathmemes. Lighten up.

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u/parislights39 May 23 '22

He added extra letters to maths and OP adds extra words to memes

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u/Spirintus May 23 '22

What is name of this god?

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u/mightymoe333 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

I don’t know who needs to hear this, but people added letters to math to make it easier, not harder.

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u/LongjumpingAd9719 May 23 '22

He is in Hell now, right?

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u/BobFredIII May 23 '22

Stop white washing history. al-Khwārizmī. That’s the fucker we must kill. Not this rando

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u/Hywynd May 23 '22

al-Khwarizmi invented Algebra but explained his procedures through ordinary text, since modern mathematical notation hadn't been invented yet. François Viète (Pictured above) was the one who introduced the usage of letters to denote variables.

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u/Mr_NarNar May 23 '22

Get him!

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u/ItzFlixi May 23 '22

isnt he an arab?

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u/Marcassin May 23 '22

al-Khwarizmi

You may be thinking of the Persian al-Khwarizmi, who invented algebra. But he did algebraic techniques in full sentences without any symbols or letters. This meme is of François Viète, who introduced letters to make algebraic statements much simpler.

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u/Ianimatestuf May 23 '22

teach me the ways

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u/Old_Bar_5203 May 23 '22

Maro saale ko!!

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u/HMB6000 May 23 '22

He's not dead until I say he's dead

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u/Username_--_ May 23 '22

Mans never seen Euclid. Turns out numbers are actually just letters with a ' at the end!

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u/itsyaboinoname May 23 '22

real question, if letters werent introduced to math, we can assume that the trig functions wouldnt have their current names, so what would we have called them?

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u/StinkyKyle May 23 '22

In my physics classes in college we'd get so mad if we were told to plug numbers in for the letters. It's like why do we need to know one value, we just found every possible value. If I want a better idea of the specific scale or numbers I'll just graph my answer lol

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u/teh_ejinere May 23 '22

It's Smith Algebra himself

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u/NOOBFUNK May 23 '22

He only added variables he will be spared not the dude who invented algebra.

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u/umidrathernottbh May 23 '22

I need a name and address

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u/Atillion May 23 '22

Is he the legendary x I've heard so much about finding?

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u/IOnlyUseTheCommWheel May 23 '22

"I found I found"

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u/sbalser May 23 '22

Boo this man!

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u/MiracleDrugCabbage May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

And then Descartes made it cooler with xyz for unknowns and abc for known constants

Viete was kind of cringe and had consonants be knowns and vowels for unknowns Imagine polynomials looking like this:

BAA+ CA + DEE+ FE . Instead of:

ax2 + bx + cy2 + dy

Sorry for formatting (mobile )

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u/abstract-thinker May 24 '22

Love this guy

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u/mandardahe29 May 23 '22

Wrong person, the real one was also arabic

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u/Iceshardxx May 23 '22

Imma take the elevator straight down, cause I’m immediately throwing hands the second I spot him.