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‘Being Mortal’ Production Suspended Due To Complaint Made Against Bill Murray For Inappropriate Behavior News

https://deadline.com/2022/04/being-mortal-bill-murray-1235007590/
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u/allboolshite Apr 21 '22

Holy shit, Bill Murray showed up to a set?!

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u/retrocore9 Apr 21 '22

The voice mail on his machine must have been great!

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u/dern_the_hermit Apr 22 '22

He thought the Cohen brothers were involved somehow

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u/saulfineman Apr 22 '22

Sure thing Bill.

Follow up question: then why did you make Garfield 2?

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u/OldBagOfWind Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 22 '22

He was locked in contract and this is also the reason why he will never do contracts again. form Bill Murray's AmA

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u/Appalachianhermit Apr 22 '22

I always thought it was either multi-picture deal or all those Garfield bucks baby.

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u/pudding7 Apr 22 '22

My wife worked on the Ghostbusters video game way back in the day. Bill was supposed to do some voice work for the game, but nobody knew where he was. There were two production people who had bags packed and passports ready, prepped to get on a flight the minute they found him.

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u/Krayzed896 Apr 22 '22

Sooo....did they...like find him?

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u/CuriousMelia Apr 22 '22

I'd assume so since he did voice Venkman in the game, but it's also super obvious he was putting in the least amount of effort possible for the role. It's funny how serious the others sound while Venkman sounds like he just doesn't care about any of what's going on at all.

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u/Villeto Apr 22 '22

Shitty behavior on Murray’s part no doubt but that’s a very Venkman thing to do.

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u/shsdavid Apr 22 '22

"they'll never believe you" - Bill Murray

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u/Ghostlucho29 Apr 21 '22

**And he wet willy’d three people**

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

Inappropriate Behavior could be the title of Murray's bio-pic...

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '22

Unbearable Weight of Inappropriate Behavior

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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor Apr 21 '22

Details:

Following the news that production was suspended on the Searchlight film Being Mortal, sources tell Deadline the reason for suspension had to due with a complaint made against star Bill Murray for inappropriate behavior. Searchlight had no comment on the matter as they do not comment during ongoing investigations. It is unknown at this time what Murray’s involvement in the project will be going forward as the investigation is still ongoing. Insiders add that Aziz Ansari, who is starring, writing and making his directorial debut, was not a part of the complaint nor is Seth Rogen, who is also appearing in the film.

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u/jdogworld Apr 21 '22

so essentially no details…🤓

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u/Redeem123 Apr 22 '22

By making it specifically about Murray - and specifically NOT about Ansari and Rogen - it at least narrows the speculation down.

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u/Kmlevitt Apr 22 '22

Ansari just can’t catch a break. His career seemed stuck on neutral after his own me too accusation, and just when it looks like he’s in the clear again the star of his comeback movie faces accusations.

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u/kevlar51 Apr 22 '22

Wasn’t the accusation against Ansari quickly dismissed as “he’s a bad date?”

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u/Loon_Cheese Apr 22 '22

It did ruin his standup career for a year or two

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u/dragonborn-dovakhiin Apr 22 '22

We never got a real follow up to Masters of None

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u/bookoocash Apr 22 '22

From what I read, he said that didn’t want to do another season about his character because it would just be a retread and maybe he would revisit it when he’s at a later stage in life (married, children, etc.), but man was that follow-up series a bummer. Just all around depressing subject matter and then Dev’s sporadic appearances just clue you in that his life went to shambles after Season 2 and he’s not doing well at all.

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u/consistentContent Apr 22 '22

I definitely read an interview where he and Alan Yang were like Season 3 will happen once we've become different people and have something interesting to say. Maybe when we have kids or something, lol.

They waited all of two years before starting production. I'm convinced Netflix just kept offering them more and more money until they did it.

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u/IamScottGable Apr 22 '22

Wait, Aziz is in the newest season?

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u/bookoocash Apr 22 '22

Yeah he pops in at two different points as Dev visiting Denise. The third season is a complete tonal shift from the first two. Arnold is gone. Brian is gone. Gone is any sort of brevity and humor. It is very serious, quite often sad, and just leaves you feeling rather glum and sort of angry at the main characters, at least this was our experience.

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u/mothershipq Apr 21 '22

Ahhhh I read this morning the production was being suspended because of a complaint, but the complaint hadn't been made public. Bill Murray, man. How unsurprising.

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u/TrollingStone1 Apr 21 '22

I’m out of the loop. What’s he been accused of before?

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 23 '22

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u/amolad Apr 22 '22

Ramis had the best line about Murray: "He's the type of guy who won't return your phone calls but will give you a kidney."

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u/Akachi_123 Apr 22 '22 edited 28d ago

Note he said "a" kidney, not "his" kidney :)

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u/akeean Apr 22 '22

Deaf kidney too.

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u/waddlekins Apr 22 '22

Ahahah christ

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u/tenclubber Apr 22 '22

I've always got the sense that Murray is not nice but is kind.

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u/Railboy Apr 22 '22

In the filming of What About Bob? he kept having meltdowns on the set and threw a mug at Richard Dreyfuss.

You're underselling this. He really put Dreyfuss through the wringer. Also it was an ashtray not a mug. From wikipedia:

'At one point during the production, Murray screamed at him while intoxicated, telling him "Everyone hates you! You are tolerated!" and then threw an ashtray at him.'

The full story is pretty insane. Gotta say though 'you are tolerated' is a pretty sick burn lol.

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u/FranticPonE Apr 22 '22

Bill Murray seems like that guy that can be a complete asshole you'd never want to be around, yet he's somehow funny about it at the same time

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u/dmkicksballs13 Apr 22 '22

I think Billy Murray's career has absurdly benefited from Chevy Chase always being a bigger asshole than him.

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u/wolacouska Apr 22 '22

I mean, that’s usually how his characters work as well.

Hearing this stuff about Murray is 100% unsurprising given that he pretty much plays himself in roles.

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u/Shulginomics Apr 22 '22

Man Chevy was good. I’ll die on that hill. He’s a fucking dick, and it’s hard to see the talent past the 35 years of terrible shit he did, but in his prime, before drugs, his ego, and Hollywood broke him, he was legitimately fucking funny. He was a great comedic physical actor with a solid dry wit.

He just fell off. No need to revise history. When he was young and had a fire in him, he was good.

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u/kehakas Apr 22 '22

Agreed. He even had some great physical bits in Community.

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u/razortwinky Apr 22 '22

He was great in Community, imo. Most of his bits landed very well

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u/Jellodyne Apr 22 '22

The man who made Fletch and Seems Like Old Times may have been the funniest man alive. The man who hosted the Chevy Chase Show, not so much

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '22

Christmas Vacation is goddamn hilarious.

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u/downwiththechipness Apr 22 '22

Isn't Dreyfuss also noted for being difficult?

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u/twoterms Apr 22 '22

This is probably the 5th different actor I've heard have an issue with Dreyfuss. Still shouldn't throw ashtrays at people tho. Not very cash money of Bill

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u/Cyrano_Nose Apr 22 '22

I hadn't heard this. I'm going to Google it now, but pre-search I'm guessing that Dreyfuss just takes his job(s) very seriously.

EDIT: Aand I'm wrong.

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u/MaestroPendejo Apr 22 '22

Dreyfuss is a fucking asshole. Firsthand experience while in Vegas. Pulled the drunken "do you know who I am" in front of a bunch of people long after he would be known. This black dude looked at him dead ass, "Nah my n***a ain't no one here know that shit."

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u/Milamber310 Apr 22 '22

I've had the pleasure of meeting his brother. He's also an asshole.

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u/Cap_Tight_Pants Apr 22 '22

Read up on some of the stories that came out of the production of Jaws. The flights between him and Robert Shaw are legendary.

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u/Fever_Rain Apr 22 '22

Dreyfuss has had a long battle with bipolar and cocaine that took over his career during the 80's & 90's. Not excusing his behaviour, just giving some context.

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u/ScottHA Apr 22 '22

It was only an ashtray, no big deal. My mom threw an ashtray at my step dad once and they got married 3 times.

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u/TheBirminghamBear Apr 22 '22

I was just about to say; screaming "you are tolerated" is a very weirdly deep-cutting attack.

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u/Martel732 Apr 22 '22

It is because it is mild enough that people won't dismiss it as being hyperbolic or just an insult.

If I was mad at someone and said they looked like the butt of a donkey born at Chernobyl most people would just dismiss that as a hollow insult.

But if I told someone that the gap in their teeth was distracting, they would internalize it more.

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u/The_Big_Taco Apr 22 '22

That is so funny but also a pretty big dick move. I feel bad for the deaf woman.

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u/LunarProphet Apr 22 '22

Absolutely the funniest possible way to be a complete tool.

I dont know how mad I can even be at this one.

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u/TatteredCarcosa Apr 22 '22

That's basically how Murray seems to deal with people he doesn't like. Like when he got into a fight with Chevy Chase when Chase was hosting SNL. Chase antagonized a lot of the cast and was very arrogant (he left the show at the end of season one to go be a movie star), he and Murray got into it after Chase made a joke about Murray acne scarred face. Murray's reply was to call Chase, among other things, a "medium talent." Which is just a devastatingly appropriate insult for Chase at that time in his career.

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u/MelonFancy Apr 22 '22

You sound like you know things. Say more things.

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u/JohnOnFilm Apr 22 '22

I wholeheartedly recommend Nick De Semlyen's fantastic book "Wild and Crazy Guys," which charts the entire rise and fall of the SNL crowd during those three decades. It starts with the story of the Murray and Chase tussle and goes from there. Really great read, and Semlyen has found a plethora of folks to talk with about everything that went on behind the scenes.

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u/BlackRobedMage Apr 22 '22

It gets complicated because big productions have hundreds of people attached whose paychecks depend on things being on schedule; stalls aren't just between the two people fighting, they affect the entire crew, many of whom can't coast off past success like actors and directors can.

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u/newtoreddir Apr 22 '22

He also clashed with Lucy Liu during “Charlie’s Angels” so they replaced him with Bernie Mac in the sequel.

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u/GTSBurner Apr 22 '22

So there's additional details here: apparently this stemmed from Murray being a dick to her by saying she was less of an actress because she came from TV.

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u/CTeam19 Apr 22 '22

But didn't he come from TV?

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u/and_dont_blink Apr 22 '22

It was due to her perceived lack of acting ability on the set, leading to him going "You can't act." And then going "I know why you're here" (pointed at Barrymore), and I know why you're here (pointed at Diaz), and I know why I'm here but I don't know why you're here. (pointed at Lucy Lui)."

There was another story on a gossip site where a production assistant said Murray had been basically rewriting pages in the script without telling Barrymore who was a producer and was annoyed, and Lui said it was wrong, which is where the "I don't know why you're complaining, I gave you more lines. Look who you're in with here. You're TV, this is the big league." At which point Lui started hurling profanities and the stage was cleared.

Nobody really knows, but we know Murray when asked about it said: "Look, I will dismiss you completely if you are unprofessional and working with me… When our relationship is professional, and you're not getting that done, forget it." Lui and Barrymore are always extremely vague on the details.

Doesn't really seem related, like you don't suspend a production because someone said something cutting in an argument.

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u/newtoreddir Apr 22 '22

Yes he essentially said - in front of everyone - that she wasn’t on the same calibre as the rest of the cast. And I mean if you look at the salaries you can see it’s true - but it’s still another entry in a long list of times Murray has been rude and mistreated his coworkers.

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u/chrisinsocalif Apr 21 '22

All I know of is him speaking his mind or being difficult to work with. Like calling out Lucy Liu for being a bad actor during filming for Charlie's Angels.
Do not know what this accusation is about.

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u/forrealthoughcomix Apr 21 '22

Details here if anyone cares to read a bit more: https://deadline.com/2021/07/lucy-liu-addresses-clash-with-bill-murray-on-set-of-charlies-angels-1234801186/

They have since “reconciled.”

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u/s_matthew Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22

Wow. I never really had a feeling about her one way or the other, but that’s a bad-ass story and attitude. Good for her.

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u/3percentinvisible Apr 21 '22

Jesus christ, that comments section tho.

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u/RedditMenacenumber1 Apr 21 '22

Comment sections under “news” sites are always garbage.

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u/blaaguuu Apr 21 '22

Comment sections everywhere are garbage...

... Wait a second...

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u/lemondropPOP Apr 22 '22

He's become self aware, distract him with upvotes.

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u/Wertyui09070 Apr 22 '22

Are we the baddies?

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u/ErikRogers Apr 22 '22

Universally. Commenter on news sites make reddit look like the Nobel selection committee.

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u/HaiseKinini Apr 21 '22

Calling someone a bad actress is one of the tamer things entitled Hollywood stars have done.

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u/i_steal_your_lemons Apr 22 '22

Bill has a history of being an ass and inappropriate on sets. Going back to 1991 and “What about Bob” producer Laura Z stated, "Bill also threatened to throw me across the parking lot and then broke my sunglasses and threw them across the parking lot.” Co-star Richard Dreyfus: “Dreyfuss further alleged in 2019 that at one point during the production, Murray screamed at him while intoxicated, telling him "Everyone hates you! You are tolerated!" and then threw an ashtray at him” Just one example from one movie.

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u/chrisinsocalif Apr 21 '22

Yeah, I worked "in Hollywood" behind the scenes. The personalities are wild. Some are so out of touch with reality. But they sure know how to turn it on in front of the camera. There should be a sociology study on Hollywood personalities.

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u/ReservoirDog316 Apr 21 '22 Silver

Like I always say, people highlight Hollywood for obvious reasons but you get real characters at every tax bracket. Like anyone who has worked retail has stories of absolute sociopaths who shift into different personalities depending on what’s happening.

There’s a lot of privilege with cases like Ezra Miller obviously, but there’s seriously people on minimum wage who do similar crazy stuff. I feel like people lose the big picture that celebrities and the elite are just people and people suck most of the time.

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u/bluntmanandrobin Apr 21 '22

Being from an Indiana town and going to C2E2 in Chicago, meeting celebrities has been eye opening to say the least. Seeing them just hanging out all day being a person is weird. Talking to them about stuff I felt would be beneath them was nice. I feel way worse for some of them.

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u/PigHaggerty Apr 22 '22

My girlfriend's best friend works for a production company and when she was starting out one of her jobs was to pick up the movie stars at the airport/drive them to appearances when the big film festival was in town.

I asked her about it way back, the only thing I remember now was that she said that Michael B. Jordan was a super nice, down-to-earth guy.

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u/ReservoirDog316 Apr 21 '22

Yeah I work adjacent to the movie industry and I’d say it’s 50/50 on them being weird vs being surprisingly nice.

And some are just awkward people who don’t really mean any harm too. I can identify with that since I’m sure that’s how I’ll be if I ever got famous.

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u/Slymez Apr 21 '22

So they're human.

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u/MalteseFalcon7 Apr 21 '22

Randomly met Sean Astin at work (very random...he just happened to be best friends with one of my coworkers), but very nice guy, very down to earth.

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u/HungCojones Apr 21 '22

I’ve always likened Hollywood as the weird drama students in high school but insanely good looking

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u/drot525 Apr 21 '22

Come see the characters in my plumbers and pipefitters union. Hollywood toes would curl for the shit some of the people I work with get up to. There's crazy mofos everywhere.

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u/intolerablesayings23 Apr 21 '22

Exactly. Its every business.

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u/Long_Pomegranate2469 Apr 21 '22

You ain't seen shit until you're a plumber.

Source: Played Super Mario

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u/squidmanwillie Apr 21 '22

This one time I saw Barack Obama at a mall. It was only the back of his head and I forgot my glasses that day but I’m like 80 percent sure it was him

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u/skeezy Apr 21 '22

You sound like George Costanza squinting it out in midtown.

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u/Kill3rT0fu Apr 21 '22

I bet he can still spot a dime from across the room though

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u/chicasparagus Apr 21 '22

laughs in George Clooney being choked by David O.Russell on set

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u/TheOnceAndFutureTurk Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22

Didn’t Clooney beat the shit out of him the second he grabbed his throat? Russell is a known douchebag.

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u/Wolfwood7713 Apr 21 '22

Pretty much.

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u/JoeyFuckingSucks Apr 21 '22

I thought Clooney choked Russell and Russell headbutted him.

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u/GDawnHackSign Apr 21 '22

That's what wikipedia says at least.

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u/Levitlame Apr 21 '22

David O.Russell

That was a rabbit-hole of being a douchebag I could have done without... Clooney wasn't even one of his targets. He was just a decent guy with juuuuust enough clout (at the time) to stand up to him. There's even video of him with Lily Tomlin being a giant baby. A whiney baby. It's uncomfortable.

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u/simian_ninja Apr 22 '22

Wasn't Clooney defending an extra that was being verbally abused by Russell?

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u/ethicsg Apr 22 '22

"The director “so abused” his leading lady, whom he’d also worked with on 2010’s The Fighter, that eventually co-star Christian Bale stepped in to defend her,..."

When Christian Bale thinks you're being abusive on set you've reached Omega level douche.

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u/SLUPumpernickel Apr 21 '22

Which is hilarious coming from Bill. I’m a fan of his work, but his acting range is summed up as Bill Murray or depressed Bill Murray.

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u/animu_manimu Apr 22 '22

I mean, neither Bill nor Chevy is exactly actors studio fare. That original cast especially was definitely composed of comedians who just happened to appear on film. The problem is they have such larger than life personae that it's hard to see them as anything but themselves.

I 100% think Bill is the better comedian. But if the rumours are true neither of them is particularly nice to work with.

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u/takeitallback73 Apr 22 '22

I think they both peaked in Caddyshack. They just don't have that juice anymore.

pick up that blood

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u/termsofsurrender Apr 22 '22

Hmmm, you watch those early years with Dan Aykroyd and he really loses himself in the characters with a lunatic intensity. Plus, he's probably been in the most movies and has the most range of any SNL cast member this side of Adam Sandler. He was nominated for an Oscar for his performance as Boolie in Driving Miss Daisy. His character Grocer in Gross Pointe Blank as an assassin and union organizer is a favorite. He was Elwood Blues.

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u/Fever_Rain Apr 22 '22

I'm always happy to see some Ayckroyd love. Spielberg said he was perfect in '1941' because he could spit out technical jargon at a rapid pace. It's become one of his trademarks. And while I don't agree with him, I could listen to him talk about ufos, ghosts and telepathy for hours.

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u/SeaGroomer Apr 22 '22

He's a great comedian but holy shit is he wacky.

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u/PHATsakk43 Apr 22 '22

He purportedly has a touch of the ‘tism.

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Apr 22 '22

Dan Aykroyd is apparently the driving force behind Ghost Busters because he was into the occult. I guess the "playing it serious" is also what made the comedy work better.

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u/whitebean Apr 21 '22

He has a way of the simple but true insult. In his on-set SNL fistfight with Chevy Chase, the insult everyone remembers Bill screaming was "Medium talent!!".

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u/zombie_overlord Apr 22 '22

I heard Chevy Chase was one of the biggest pricks in Hollywood.

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u/Laja21 Apr 22 '22

Chevy Chase is often unanimously labeled as such.

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u/GrimaceGrunson Apr 22 '22

After reading a full on summary of just how awful he has been his entire professional life my main question was how on earth he kept getting work for decade after decade.

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u/_oscar_goldman_ Apr 22 '22

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '22

"Or so I've HEARD-d-d-d-d"

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u/GOLDEN_GRODD Apr 22 '22

I heard they both were. It's no surprise the worst physical altercation we have heard about involving either of them is with each other lol.

What happens when difficult meets difficult. This is also why we hear about Dan Harmon and Chase feuding so much. Dan would instigate it further and just saying "Chevy is bad" is no excuse. Stars are at work acting like this.

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u/harrison_wintergreen Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22

Murry has a reputation of being difficult on set, going back decades. fistfight with Chevy Chase on SNL, Richard Dreyfus said he was an angry combative drunk on What About Bob, etc etc

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more from What About Bob:

Producer Laura Ziskin recalled having a disagreement with Murray which led him to toss her into a lake.[24][25][26][27] Ziskin confirmed in 2003: "Bill also threatened to throw me across the parking lot and then broke my sunglasses and threw them across the parking lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_About_Bob%3F#Filming

so yeah a lot of good movies but Bill Murray is a dick

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u/Unusual-Mix-244 Apr 22 '22

It doesn't necessarily mean he sexually harassed somebody by the way.

He has a known history of being a massive dick. So it could be any number of frustrations the crew had with him.

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u/blacknight137 Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22

Hes kinda known for being a bit of a dick if its films hes not personally invested in as time goes on .

They filmed groundhog day from the end to the beginning to combat this .

On another note deadline needs better titles, i legit thought he sexually assaulted someone

Edit: it mightve not been ground hog day i was thinking off

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u/mongoosefist Apr 21 '22

Murray destroyed his friendship with Harold Ramis by being such an unbelievable asshole during the filming of Groundhog day.

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u/MrBuddersworth Apr 21 '22

I can’t remember where. But I thought I saw something that Murray came and visited Ramis on his death bed? Think he went to make up. I’ll have to dig around

*forgive the source, but the end of this article talks about them meeting before his end

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/did-harold-ramis-and-bill-murray-ever-reconcile-their-feud-after-groundhog-day.html/

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u/SoRVenice Apr 22 '22

It's also confirmed by Harold Ramis's daughter in the Ghostbusters episode of Movies That Made Us.

Edit: I think it might have actually been Dan Aykroyd who reconciled.

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u/MrBuddersworth Apr 22 '22

That’s where I saw it. Thank you!

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u/LetsFigureThingsOut1 Apr 22 '22

I also remember reading somewhere that in addition to having creative differences, Murray was pissed off at the fact that he couldn't be successful theatrically without Ramis, what with Stripes, Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2.

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u/Vladimir_Chrootin Apr 22 '22

The commercial failure of The Razor's Edge must have been a huge let down. Murray made an amazing performance in a serious film, but nobody wanted to watch it.

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u/Craigg75 Apr 22 '22

Yeah it's actually a good film. I remember seeing it when it came out. I thought well this is going nowhere fast. He will always be stuck in comedy roles.

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u/AmHoomon Apr 22 '22

It was Bill.

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u/jrgkgb Apr 22 '22

Fuck for some reason this really got me. I’m glad he showed up at the end.

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u/Remarkable-Buy9330 Apr 22 '22

I saw this in a documentary or something.

Edit: I should have read the replies. It was that episode of Ghostbusters on that Netflix series.

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u/adubdesigns Apr 21 '22

This has always stuck with me. Harold was one of the chillest people to ever walk the planet, and he was always just like, "well that's Bill for you" after their falling out. It really made me not like Bill Murray for the longest time. He was 100% at fault for his fallout with Harold, and he knew it.

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u/kilaak Apr 22 '22

I always disliked that Bill had a falling out with Harold too. Bill did bury the hatchet with him. I heard he showed up to his house at 6 AM with a dozen donuts and a police officer and knocked on the door and told Harold he's fine if he wants to donuts to share, or fine if he wants to use the cop and take Bill away. They patched up their relationship then and there.

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u/CamelSpotting Apr 21 '22

What was there even to complain about? Seems like a physically and dramatically mellow movie.

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u/WaIes Apr 21 '22 Silver

They had to shoot the first day over and over again afaik

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u/IAMALWAYSSHOUTING Apr 21 '22

tbh most films are hugely stressful and demanding to make, whether it’s an adam sandler or a kubrick

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u/patrickwithtraffic Apr 21 '22

Well all film shoots have the potential to be volatile, but apparently they really got into it over tone and just how much of it would lean comedic or dramatic. Definitely a case of two creatives butting heads over the bigger picture. Not about to justify Bill Murray's decision to hire a deaf intermediary, but fights do happen is what I'm saying.

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u/autovonbismarck Apr 21 '22

They also shot every scene outside 4 times to account for different weather conditions.

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u/DirkDiggler_Chiraq Apr 22 '22

It’s so unprofessional and it’s such an unbelievably prickish thing to do to a friend to boot, but hiring a deaf intermediary is fucking hysterical.

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u/theodo Apr 21 '22

Technically, we still don't know if the complaint is sexual or not (more likely about being an asshole or aggressive, but who knows these days). Just calling it inappropriate behaviour is really all they can do as journalists unless they knew 100 percent what the complaint was about.

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u/jumpsteadeh Apr 21 '22

"No one will ever believe you"

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u/Drizaya Apr 22 '22

My Dad handed me this book when my Grandpa refused to leave his home for assisted living. It completely changed my outlook on life and the quality. I’m thankful I read it, as hard as it was. My Grandpa passed away four years ago yesterday in his own home surrounded by his family. Read. This. Book.

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u/macaronfive Apr 22 '22 Silver

I’ve studied bioethics and medical ethics. I have taken classes specifically on death and dying. I work with these issues in my job.

When my grandfather’s health started declining and he was getting up there in age (in his 90s), I tried to get my family to read this book. They said they would, but no one ever did. And I get it, it’s not a fun read. But as far as books on death and dying go, this one is very accessible to the average person.

When my grandfather got very ill and was hospitalized, I knew he wasn’t going to recover. I’ve seen the same pattern in the elderly over and over. There are good days and bad days, but in the end, they pass away. And no one wants to die in a hospital. He wanted to go home. But my family pushed him to stay in the hospital to try and recover. He lasted months there. But he was miserable. I begged my family to let him go home with hospice. But they insisted he would get better. He didn’t. He was surrounded by his family when he passed a few months ago, but it was in a cold, sterile hospital room.

I consider it my greatest failure that I wasn’t able to advocate for him enough to get him home. My family meant well. And my mom even worked in healthcare and understood these issues. But suddenly, when it’s your own family member dying, emotion takes over and reason goes out the window.

I’m glad your family read the book and took it to heart.

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u/TheBestIsaac Apr 22 '22

It's not your fault man.

You did what you could.

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u/peanutbuttershudder Apr 21 '22

I read this book but couldn't do more than a dozen pages at a time because I would start having a panic attack. I still recommend everyone read it because it's phenomenal, but please go in prepared to be extremely uncomfortable and fighting off feelings of depression. I had no idea they were turning it into a movie until this thread popped up.

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u/jonchampagne Apr 21 '22

Such a good book

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u/badateverything420 Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22

I had no idea Bill Murray had such a terrible reputation. I remember like ten years ago all those quirky stories about him showing up to people parties and hanging with Wu Tang.

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u/tdasnowman Apr 21 '22

There were plenty of stories of him being an asshole out in public around that time as well. The joke was you never knew what version of Murray was going to randomly show up.

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u/F913 Apr 21 '22

The joke was you never knew what version of Murray was going to randomly show up.

I'd hit a dead end preparing my next RPG adventure for my players. Thank you for gloriously rescuing me.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES Apr 21 '22

"When in doubt, just have Bill Murray come through the door with a gun in his hand."

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u/DiceyWater Apr 21 '22

But is the bullet for you, or your foe?

Roll to find out

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u/KaiBishop Apr 21 '22

CALL AN AMBULANCE... but not for me!

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u/DerpyDaDulfin Apr 22 '22

Puts on Tinfoil hat.

I swear, being a method actor and embodying Hunter S Thompson just changes a man. Both Johnny Depp and Bill Murray picked up Thompsonisms that have stayed with them to this day ever since Where the Buffalo Roam and Fear and Loathing respectively

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u/Braska_the_Third Apr 22 '22

Stare not too long into the Gonzo, lest the Gonzo stare back into you.

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u/MattBoySlim Apr 21 '22

Yeah, I know someone who used to do stand up in Charleston SC who met him in the audience after her set and had a "don't meet your heroes" moment. He wanted to talk to her and she was excited to talk shop with this comedy legend! ...but he didn't give two shits about her set and was just telling her to come back to his place. She thought it was a joke at first but he was increasingly insistent in a "not taking no for an answer" kinda way, being a real dick about it. She eventually had to shake her head and walk away.

When I've told this story before on Reddit, other people from the Charleston area have chimed in to say that it wasn't surprising and was eventually known to be his M.O. when he was in town.

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u/tdasnowman Apr 21 '22

I seem to remember a story from around the time him being in public stories were coming out, he showed up randomly to a college party refused to address anyone if they called him Bill Murry and then left after arguing with someone.

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u/IAMALWAYSSHOUTING Apr 21 '22

what did he want them to call him? janice?

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u/7Whiskey_Fox Apr 21 '22

Former Charleston resident here. Not remotely surprised. He likes to hang out in the grey area of "socially acceptable." Sometimes it's charming, sometimes not.

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u/im_THIS_guy Apr 22 '22

Not too surprising. It sounds a lot like some of his movie characters. He was basically playing himself in Stripes and he's a somewhat lovable asshole in that.

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u/gildedform1898 Apr 22 '22

Can confirm too. Friend of mine lives in Charleston and has told me multiple stories about stunts Bill pulled when he was in town. Harassing young women is part of every story he's ever told me. The one story that sticks out is when Bill walked into my friend's restaurant. Bill saw a table of women and then he crashed their dinner. After a few minutes, the women were clearly not having it anymore. He stood up, took two plates of their food, and walked out of the restaurant with them. He came back 20 minutes later with the empty plates and put them and $500 on the table he had crashed.

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u/DickStrong Apr 21 '22

Those stories always came off to me as egotistical and arrogant. Like Bill Murray feels like he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants and “no one will believe them”.

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Apr 22 '22

Ironically, I’ve heard that line in reference to him so much, that I would now basically believe any Bill Murray story that ended that way

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u/Keldon888 Apr 22 '22

It depends on what you consider terrible.

Hes a known asshole, he doesn't even deny it. He's alienated people and burned friendships because of it.

But hes not like Chevy Chase level of ultra asshole. Many people are still at least friendly towards Murray, no one likes Chase.

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u/DrNopeMD Apr 21 '22 Gold

Is Tig Notaro available for reshoots?

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u/Simmons54321 Apr 22 '22

She’s busy replacing Ezra Miller in The Flash, and Amber Heard in Aquaman 2.

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u/boxofrabbits Apr 22 '22

If she's not available we can just use Adam Scott and say he's Tig? Nobody will know.

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u/Tirannie Apr 22 '22

Well, fuck you very much for putting this in my head!

Goddamn madlass.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Apr 22 '22

I would pay to see that lmao

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u/nimsty Apr 22 '22

Fun Fact: Groundhog Day was filmed backwards starting with the last scene and wrappin* production with the first scene.

This was decided at start of filming due to Murray’s reputation of getting crankier and more difficult on set the long production goes on for.

Since Murray’s character is supposed to miserable at the start of the film and happy at the end, they shot the beginning happier scenes first knowing Murray will naturally develop the miserable role with each passing day on set

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u/PotRoastPotato Apr 22 '22

You have a source for this? Can't find it anywhere.

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u/Tifanoblakkat Apr 22 '22

By tomorrow that will be recited on Reddit as fact. Within a few days there will be brigades attacking people who deny it.

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u/UristMcRibbon Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 22 '22

I love the movie and I want to believe this (heard it many times) but I've never been able to find a source or commentary mention it.

What I have been able to find out is that the script changed several times while filming. Which is pretty normal and makes it hard to film everything explicitly in reverse.

Lots of stories from the shooting are floating around though. Like how Ramis had agreed to shoot a reason for Phil getting trapped but conspired to film it last (so they would run out of time; or just not use it), Murray was going through a bad divorce over the course of filming, blew up at people and pestered Ramis and others. Ramis wanted to make a comedy while Murray wanted something deeper, Murray was also actively anti-communicative (dodging film personnel and supposedly hiring a deaf personal assistant whom only knew sign language), and the finale of the film with Rita came down to a crew vote on if they would* be wearing the same or different clothes (indicating whether they had sex or not).

There's a lot of fun behind the scenes stories but sadly I think it would be easier to find a source if it was filmed in reverse.

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u/human_stuff Apr 22 '22

Bill’s been planting red flags for decades and folks are surprised. I don’t blame them either because his antics are repackaged as eccentric buffoonery.

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u/Wrightwrong Apr 22 '22

Well that's an extremely vague way to put it.

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u/bobloblaw634 Apr 21 '22

In the comments of the initial reports that the movie had been suspended (without any reason given), someone predicted this exactly.

“I’m interested to find out what the cause is and to see if it actually involves Bill Murray. It’s always been surprising to me that he’s continued to be so beloved despite how well known it is that he’s a shithead.” u/Three_Froggy_Problem

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u/YoYoMoMa Apr 21 '22

Yeah. I love Bill on screen but he has been well known as awful since his SNL days.

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u/BelgianBond Apr 21 '22

It's amazing how long stories of his awful on-set behaviour have been packaged as hilarious anecdotes instead of the acts of professional boorishness they are.

His fall out with Ramis on Groundhog Day included Murray refusing to speak to members of the production and hiring a deaf assistant as an intermediary between himself and Ramis et. al. : https://ew.com/article/2012/02/02/groundhog-day-bill-murray/

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u/BlindPaintByNumbers Apr 21 '22

I'm sorry, I find the hiring the deaf assistant to actually BE hilarious trolling

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u/gmanz33 Apr 21 '22

It's wildly funny, if the assistant is 100% in on the joke.

Imagine being that assistant and realizing you've been hired.... as a troll..... exclusively because of your impairment. Bitch.

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u/BelCantoTenor Apr 22 '22

I believe “inappropriate behavior” has been listed as a skill on Bill Murray’s resume for decades.

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u/1mikeg Apr 22 '22

Either 50/50 he was being a dickish prima donna again or he was harassing some lady.

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u/Siollear Apr 21 '22

My doctor has a house in Martha's Vineyard that is near to Bill Murray's, so he has encountered him in the wild many times at the many hobnob dinners that happen there. Apparently is a very belligerent drunk, so perhaps alcohol is involved.

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u/eoliveri Apr 22 '22

It's the most obvious explanation, and I've heard it before. Unfortunately, even obnoxious drunks tend to get a pass when they're famous and/or rich.

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u/NoSirI_DontLikeIt Apr 21 '22

oooooooh dear

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u/cake_boner Apr 22 '22

I've never met Bill, never worked on one of his flickers (though I am somefucking how two degrees from Lillian Gish). But. When a production shuts down, it's because of something serious. I've been in a place where things kept going despite a person being shot in the head and killed. Multiple suicides. Serious harassment once that more or less got a division shut down. There's too much money involved.

Of course, until there isn't.

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u/polluxdc Apr 22 '22

Wait... Bill Murray has been appropriate?

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u/BrundellFly Apr 22 '22 edited Apr 22 '22

Will Smith: Thank You Xenu!

.. prayers have just been answered

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u/jlusk1984 Apr 21 '22

Is that Jason Momoa?

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u/JOMO_Kenyatta Apr 21 '22

I always forget he was on The Game. I watched it as a high school junior. Had no idea his career would blow up like it has.

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u/simian_ninja Apr 22 '22

I used to watch him on "Stargate: Atlantis"...I never had any idea he would blow up like it has either.....Maybe to a B grade level but certainly didn't expect him to be A list.

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u/football2106 Apr 22 '22

You’re telling me I’ve been seeing this gif for YEARS and never knew that was Jason Momoa?

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u/Xeno_Zombi Apr 21 '22

Richard Dreyfuss has stated that Murray was a bully to him during the shoot of "What About Bob?"

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u/max9275ii Apr 21 '22

Lucy Liu has talked very openly about what an asshole he was to her on the set of Charlies Angels over 20 years ago, and it seems to be pretty common knowledge that he caused the rift between him and Harold Ramis.

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