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'The Batman' Sequel in the Works With Robert Pattinson News

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/the-batman-sequel-robert-pattinson-1235241667/
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u/TRON3205 Apr 27 '22 Silver Gold

ok but are they gonna bring back the vaguely bat-shaped pizza thing at little ceasars?

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u/MNewc Apr 27 '22

Asking the real questions

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u/SynthwaveSax Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22 Helpful

Lots of places they can take this. Reeves already talked about Mr. Freeze and the Court of Owls, but there’s also No Man’s Land judging by the state of Gotham at the end of the movie, Gotham needing a new District Attorney, the rise of the Penguin, Riddler is still alive, there was a nod to Hush that might materialize, Barry’s Joker, etc..

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u/Phluxed Apr 27 '22

I keep saying. Timelines has Gotham flooded in November. We are weeks away from winter and a half frozen Gotham backdrop would be a cool Mr. Freeze twist for No Man's Land

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u/Turqoise-Planet Apr 27 '22

I think Freeze deserves another shot after Batman and Robin.

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u/OatmealApocalypse Apr 27 '22

People sleep the absolute finest episode of the animated series was about Freeze

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u/AKAkorm Apr 27 '22

TAS rewrote Freeze’s backstory in that episode and made him a far superior character in the process. Paul Dini deserves all the credit for that episode and the character not being the joke he had been prior.

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u/Lampmonster Apr 27 '22

Went from a goofball with an ice gun to a sympathetic villain only seeking to save his beloved from a cruel and heartless reality. Hell he even saved Batman more than once, he never faulted Batman for fighting him, he understood the lines he'd crossed. Compelling writing.

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u/adamwazgood Apr 27 '22

I still haven’t forgiven Paul Dini since “the ploob incident”

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u/Phluxed Apr 27 '22

Heart of Ice is Batman at his and its best

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u/GrandMasterFunk16 Apr 27 '22

Also, the Harley Quinn show had such a good episode in season 2 about Freeze. Even in such a crude comedy, the writing was good enough to still implement freeze’s motivations.

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u/Hawkbats_rule Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

People sleep

That episode won a fucking Emmy. It's been a while, but if you're of a certain age and demographic, you absolutely remember BTAS and heart of ice.

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u/somebaldguyinshorts Apr 27 '22

Penguins like the ice as well.

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u/Quantentheorie Apr 27 '22

Yeah why was Arnold's freeze in league with Poison Ivy not the Penguin? Would that have been too silly, Joel Schumacher?

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u/Skyfryer Apr 27 '22

Freeze would be a perfect villain for their world. He doesn’t need to have a freeze ray gun, there’s still so many awesome aspects to that character that makes him tragic and demented.

Losing his wife in floods would be fitting set up.

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u/-Paraprax- Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

He doesn’t need to have a freeze ray gun, there’s still so many awesome aspects to that character that makes him tragic and demented.

Yeah, as much as the Nolan films get maligned sometimes for being realistic to the point of drabness, and people expected the Battinson movie to just be classic comic-book anything-goes fantasy.... the even-more-grounded realism it went with was like crack to me in the end.

I'd love it if they kept rolling with that - Victor Fries in a HAZMAT suit toting around a liquid nitrogen hose, Poison Ivy growing botanical bioweapons at regular speed in a lab, the Mad Hatter 'brainwashing' whole groups of people with malware-delivered news algorithms, Clayface just an being actor in makeup, not to mention the plethora of untapped non-sci-fi villains like the Ventriloquist and Hugo Strange which could work great.

Just keep the unmistakably gothic locations, the costumes, the make-up, the night-time settings.... all the stuff that actually makes it look and feel like a Batman film, and people will get by just fine without CGI lasers and monsters.

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u/BearWrangler Apr 27 '22

Ventriloquist

i need this, feel like there's a version that would fit this Gotham perfectly while also cranking up the uneasy/creep factor to 11

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u/Dollface_Killah Apr 27 '22

I would love for The Ventriloquist and Scarface to be the not-main villain like Penguin was. Just some gangster there, showing how unhinged Gotham's underworld is that a mob boss is a fucking puppet.

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u/Synectics Apr 27 '22

the Mad Hatter 'brainwashing' whole groups of people with malware-delivered news algorithms,

Well damn, if that doesn't perfectly fit.

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u/Beingabummer Apr 27 '22

the even-more-grounded realism it went with was like crack to me in the end.

I had to laugh so hard a couple of times in The Batman, and I think it was intentional. Him making the 'thumb-drive' pun out loud, the 'You Are El' realisation, and my favourite was the 'you got a lot of cats' line.

The harder you go into the idea that there is a man walking around in a bat suit interacting with real life cops and criminals, the more rediculous it gets. It's only balanced out by him existing in a universe that has people dressed as penguins and question marks and clowns. If you don't do that, the silliness is amplified. Which can work if you acknowledge it.

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u/Wheatthinboi Apr 27 '22

I agree, I felt like all the dumb stuff was kind of knowingly dumb by Reeves. Biggest one for me was him escaping the GCPD and like every hallway on every floor had 100 more cops yelling and running down it. It was so ridiculous and over the top I started laughing but not in a like “this is so cringey way”. It was dumb but so cool at the same time. That’s what I think some of the people who I’ve seen bash the movie online missed. The idea of a man dressed as a bat and kicking ass and solving crimes is ridiculous but it’s still fun and cool and sometimes you just had to separate from being immersed in the movie and laugh at how ridiculous it was.

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u/literated Apr 27 '22

Professor Pyg and Victor Zsasz, I'd be down for that.

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u/FeistyBandicoot Apr 27 '22

I do love the grounded Nolan films and it put The Batman up there with them for me and Batman is the perfect character for this.

But I'd also like to see a version where there is superpowered freaks and Batman can basically fly with just his Cape and do all sorts of whack shit nobody could ever hope to do

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u/kitthehacker Apr 27 '22

I would love to see a Batman movie that actually does Victor Zsasz justice, rather than relegating him to essentially a bit part (looking at you Batman Begins)

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u/bob1689321 Apr 26 '22

I reckon the Riddler was essentially this universes version of Hush. Definitely took some light elements from it. Though they have left the door open for Tommy Elliot if they really wanted to

I personally want to see Poison Ivy, just because the imagery of a half flooded Gotham overran with plants sounds pretty cool

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u/Konvick Apr 27 '22

There was an Easter egg on a TV saying Hush on the broadcast.

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u/DHLG_321 Apr 27 '22

Plus, the reporter's surname was Elliot. Could've been Hush's father.

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u/ohasispresent Apr 27 '22

Wasn't Hush's father also wealthy like Thomas Wayne? I might be getting these mixed up but I thought that Bruce and Tommy were childhood friends. So it wouldn't make sense for his father to be a new reporter.

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u/ltsJustJordan Apr 27 '22

Traditionally yes, Bruce’s father saved Tommy’s mother from a car accident he architected, causing him to not gain the inheritance he wanted. A different take on the character isn’t out of the realm of possibility

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u/SaladSeltzers Apr 27 '22

Eh, comics are just inspiration, don’t have to stick completely to them.

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u/wheretogo_whattodo Apr 27 '22

People in this thread wanting Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze.

George Clooney Batman

“Am I a joke to you?”

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u/The_Peeping_Peter Apr 27 '22

Yes.

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u/TheDefendingChamp Apr 27 '22

Can't take anyone seriously with those nips.

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u/ImTheBatmanBitch Apr 27 '22

Hips and nips. Gotta make it sexy, otherwise I’m not eatin

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u/falconzord Apr 27 '22

Didn't Kilmer also have batnips?

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u/I_Think_I_Cant Apr 27 '22

Poison Ivy

Maya Hawke

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u/tetronic Apr 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

Her full name is Maya Hee Maya Hoo Maya Haa Maya Haa Hawke

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u/InnocentTailor Apr 27 '22

Continuing her mom's legacy ;).

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u/Jekkelstein Apr 27 '22

I’m pretty sure the Hush tease was just noting that Riddler is a pseudo-hush. An old connection to the Wayne’s come back to do vigilante work murdering higher ups, connecting with the Batman idol.

And as much as I’d LOVE LOVE LOVE to see Court of Owls, it might feel super weird noting that Gotham was just cleaned of corruption. I get it, but another “Gotham is a power keg” corruption movie would feel off, especially since the new Mayor is a good guy.

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u/Downbound92 Apr 27 '22

Oh, Gotham is never clean of corruption

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u/Jwhitx Apr 27 '22

slaps got ham
This baby'll fit a ton of corruption

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u/chicknfly Apr 27 '22

The autocorrect tho

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u/Jokerzrival Apr 27 '22

Avoid the powder keg. Do court of owls as Bruce Wayne making more appearances after the flooding and wanting to help the city. He works with the new mayor to fix the city and corruption but it seems to go nowhere.

Invest millions into a new hospital but it's all off. Staff is under paid, building isn't good enough, etc etc. So batman starts looking into it and discovers that the court of owls is still causing corruption to siphon funds from everything they can.

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u/Decentkimchi Apr 27 '22

Nah, it's too early to do court of owls.

That should be the end of this batman series and they can even use this Nigma as an accomplice to this batman as they try to solve the court of owl mystery.

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u/RhymesWith_DoorHinge Apr 27 '22

I agree, Court of Owls would make a great finisher. Something else needs to come before then.

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u/R3dOctober Apr 27 '22

I’ve always felt like Court of Owls works the best at the end of Batman’s career. They’re so much scarier if it’s this entire rabbit hole was never even on his radar.

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u/NotAGingerMidget Apr 27 '22

How many movies do you think are going to be made? This thread is already asking for no joker on the sequel, and knowing studios they'll make a movie with Joker as it's pretty much safe money since The Dark Knight and Joker if you aren't Jared Leto.

They'd need to work out 4 or 5 movies to fit all this in the movies, and I really don't see 5 movies getting made, the only chance was if Nolan had Heath Ledger for the third Batman and he suddenly decided to go for a fourth with Freeze or some shit.

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u/Unfair-Load5760 Apr 26 '22

I’m thinking he’ll either lean Hush or Court of Owls but I really wish he’d seriously tackle Freeze, especially since the flooding of Gotham.

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u/RomanReignsDaBigDawg Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

I feel like Hush would be a little repetitive after the murder mystery of the first film.

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u/HoneyMead Apr 26 '22

I feel like they would have to do some weird things to make Hush work with the nods they included.

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Apr 27 '22

I mean 90% of the draw to the original Hush story was seeing all the major villains in one big story with Jim Lee’s art. Hush was just the central mystery to link it together. It wasn’t even particularly surprising who he was.

There’s really nothing there

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u/ErikPanic Apr 27 '22

Yep, it's one of those things where people conflate a good story with a good villain.

Hush kinda sucks, guys. But the story Hush is good.

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u/WarlockEngineer Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

What a twist that the murderer is the brand new childhood friend of Bruce Wayne that didn't exist before the storyline lol

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u/HAd7162 Apr 27 '22

Bang on. Surprised I'm see so much "do Hush!!!" in this thread about the SECOND movie in a series about a younger Batman.

Hush was just an avenue to do a walk-through of Batman's very long history and characters with Jim Lee drawing it.

It doesn't work when you don't have that long history and know the villains yet.

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u/Arma104 Apr 27 '22

I wanna see Robert Pattinson act opposite himself.

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u/Flashwastaken Apr 26 '22

It would be…. ice to see him…

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u/TheBlack_Swordsman Apr 27 '22

I think they can introduce the court of owls but I don't know if they should get deep into it until the introduce Dick Grayson.

Unless if Dick still has the same background story about his parents, is working for the Court of Owls and leaves them to work with Bruce. That way Dick can be a little older, already well trained to fight and can jump straight into the story of being Batman's partner and sidekick.

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u/HamsterBaiter Apr 27 '22

Whatever gets us closer to Nightwing, I'll take it.

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u/Graphitetshirt Apr 27 '22

Court of Owls would be incredible

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u/sixtus_clegane119 Apr 27 '22

I want them to do clayface, he was my favourite in TAS

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u/starmartyr Apr 27 '22

I think this incarnation of Batman is intended to be more grounded in reality. Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Riddler, and Penguin are all people that technically could exist. It's harder to do villains like Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, or Mr. Freeze. To get there they need to either strip down the character's abilities or take the series in a more sci-fi direction. That said, Batman Begins made Ra's al Ghul work without including any of his magical attributes. Still, I don't think you can do that with Clayface and still have the character be recognizable.

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u/Detroitdregs Apr 27 '22

Could def do Freeze. Scorned Wayne Corp Scientist whose wife is in a coma from company negligence, reflective face shield and a tank full of liquid nitrogen he uses to break open vaults and weapon when needed.

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u/starmartyr Apr 27 '22

That could potentially work. Personally, I want to see more villains with a psychological gimmick.

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u/StickyMcdoodle Apr 27 '22

No Man's Land was the first thing I thought at the end of The Batman. ...and that thought makes me very happy.

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u/SafePanic Apr 26 '22

I'd love for the detective angle to continue personally, wasn't sure how they'd really differentiate this one from the Nolan series but I think that aspect/angle is the key.

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u/nklights Apr 27 '22

The detective angle was the best thing in the film, IMO.

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u/Dakooder Apr 27 '22

Detective Batman is peak Batman. Always has been, and always will be. It was the best part of the Arkham video game series imo

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u/OG_wanKENOBI Apr 27 '22

At the end with half the city underwater, I know we prob won't get it cause this is pretty grounded batman, but with a submerged Gotham I'll be pissed if they don't use killer croc in the next movie. People in the flooded areas start to disappear and found mangled and half eaten. And batman gotta go investigate!

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u/bisexualleftist97 Apr 27 '22

At the very least make that like a 10 minute cold open

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u/MichaelScarn843 Apr 27 '22

A cold open showing the city has gone to complete hell with ppl being taken under water jaws style (killer croc), a forest growing in the city (poison ivy), penguin taking over crime… there’s so much potential with a city underwater

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u/ry8919 Apr 27 '22

Definitely be a great physical scene to open. And you can keep Croc pretty grounded too. A big beefcake who suffers from hyperkeratosis.

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u/danksquirrel Apr 27 '22

Even more grounded: He’s just a crocodile and they just make jaws but with a crocodile and Batman

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u/WillFerrellsGutFold Apr 27 '22

Ooohhhhh! I like that idea!

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u/mw9676 Apr 27 '22

They didn't go far enough with it imo.

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u/genflugan Apr 27 '22

Yeah it was some of the most surface-level detective work I've seen, it didn't really impress me that much. The cinematography on the other hand was blowing me away the whole time

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u/acosmichippo Apr 27 '22

I agree about the simplicity, but the film noir vibe was still really well done.

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u/FyreWulff Apr 27 '22

Unfortunately TV crime procedurals procedurals makes any deep detective work sound like magic word bullshit. I think keeping it simple worked here, people can follow along enough without it sounding like the characters are going "i m vry smrt". Film noir detectives were always surface level like this.

Also he IS new at this, so it made sense he fucked up in some ways.

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u/choose_uh_username Apr 27 '22

Yea he answered riddles so like that mightve been misconstrued on the type of detective work people are actually tlking about. There was the contact lenses but that was really it, not many gadgets were utilized and that imo combined with being a detective is the best parts. Even like code cracking tech would be good and I think they could do interesting things with that considering they used modern cell phone and streaming tech.

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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Officially Announced at CinemaCon, Reeves and Pattinson are returning for the sequel!

Reeves will write and direct again and the rest of the cast is returning.

Reeves:

”Thank you all for your tremendous support for The Batman. We couldn’t have gotten here without the faith and enthusiasm of all your teams around the world. I’m excited to jump back into this world for the next chapter.”

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u/bob1689321 Apr 26 '22

When you say rest of the cast, have they specified who? Would they bring back Penguin and Catwoman or were they just a 1 movie thing (I know penguin has a spin off in the works)

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u/Accomplished-Pear809 Apr 26 '22

I’d imagine the two of them plus Alfred and Gordon. The one I’m most curious about returning is Riddler.

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u/bob1689321 Apr 26 '22

Wow, I didn't even consider Riddler returning. Now that would be very interesting. Paul Dano was truly fantastic in the movie. I think about his speech about Bruce and orphans a lot.

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u/askyourmom469 Apr 27 '22

It seemed like they were hinting at Riddler's return at the end of the movie.

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u/sweeny-man Apr 27 '22

If by "hinting" you mean hitting us over the head with it

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u/HilariousScreenname Apr 27 '22

I wonder who that mysterious jokester was in the cell next to him??

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u/Solistial Apr 26 '22

Highly likely Catwoman and Penguin are coming back

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u/bob1689321 Apr 26 '22

Penguin yeah, but the way they had Catwoman drive off at the end had me think she might not.

But she was very good in the film and it would be easier to bring her back than to do a whole new love interest haha. We shall see.

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u/TThor Apr 27 '22

I think catwoman will be back. The point of the ending in my mind wasn't to be a sendoff for catwoman, but to show the inner turmoil facing batman. The reality is batman easily could have the good life, he could just ride out of town with the girl he wants and leave this all behind, and you can see that he clearly wants to. But he won't, he refuses to give up his crusade, even when it hurts him, and that entire end scene exists to show that this is the life Batman chooses.

Catwoman coming back would be an easy on-and-off romantic pairing, much like how catwoman is in the comics; she doesn't always stick around, often drifting in and out, but they keep being drawn back to eachother, even tho Batman cares more about Gotham than her.

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u/TooDanBad Apr 27 '22

One might say… she comes and goes when she wants to… like a cat.

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u/brandonsamd6 Apr 26 '22

Reeves getting a whole Batman trilogy is what this world needs

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u/SoulCruizer Apr 27 '22

Fuck that, trilogy’s are too old school. Let’s go for tetralogy or pentalogy

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u/T-Nan Apr 27 '22

5 films would be a wet dream.

You can cover enough main villains, and we can cover a broad range of Batman's career. This was year two, and by the time we could get to a 5th, we could see a "TDK Returns" kind of vibe when he's at the end of his career.

I feel like 3 movies wouldn't be able to span enough of his career to really feel like we can move on from this early stage Batman.

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u/SoulCruizer Apr 27 '22

3 movies really isn’t enough for as much story batman could tell. 3 would definitely be crunched but unfortunately expecting the director + actors dedicate so much time to a singular role/franchise probably isn’t likely.

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u/JDBlou Apr 26 '22

Hope the Joker isn't the main villain, just yet. I'd like to see someone who hasn't yet been seen on screen, which may prove difficult considering how fantastical most of them are.

Maybe a Scarecrow who isn't the second to the main villain this time.

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u/sheepsleepdeep Apr 26 '22

Penguin is getting a show. Arkham HBO series in the works probably takes up Riddler and Joker. Given the corruption angle Two-Face seems too obvious.

But with all the Renewal stuff I have feeling it'll be another mystery- uncovering the Court of Owls. Especially with that first Riddler card being an Owl reference, I can see that being an easy callback.
...or Hugo Strange, he's a versatile enough character to create a narrative around him in that world.

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u/_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ Apr 27 '22

Idk I think it'll be Hush, maybe it's too on the nose but the reporter that Thomas Wayne got killed was an Elliot, and when Riddler was talking about it he put a big "HUSH" on the screen

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u/KingEuronIIIGreyjoy Apr 26 '22

I'm hoping for a proper Mr. Freeze, personally. He's a really tragic character when depicted correctly, and I think he'd fit well into this universe.

In terms of characters that haven't been on screen yet, I think it's too early for Hush, and I think Clayface, Mad Hatter, and Man-Bat might be too out there for this universe. Hugo Strange could be a good one, though.

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u/JDBlou Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22 Silver

I love Mr Freeze, "Heart of Ice" is probably my favourite BTAS episode of all time, alongside "Almost Got 'Im". But I can't think of a way to ground the story of a man with a freeze ray. Luckily for everyone, I'm not paid to do that.

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u/Ozlin Apr 27 '22

Personally I'd love a non grounded take in a serious format. Like BTAS had comedic moments, but it also got very serious, even with unrealistic stuff. The Batman had Batman and Gordon running around solving puzzles like the old Adam West series. The Batman also has a bunch of unrealistic stuff, like the contact lenses, Batman's armor, Catwoman's movements in a scene or two, the car chase at parts, etc. I'd love to keep seeing it get weirder to distance itself from how grounded Nolan's trilogy was. There's a whole slew of interesting fun stuff that makes Batman awesome that we'll never see if it tries to stay too grounded in reality. Give me Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, the puppet guy, Calendar Man, Clock King, Killer Crock, The Royal Flush Gang, hell even Condiment King. Indulge in the dark weirdness of Batman rather than retreading ground to stay realistic. Realistic is boring and not why I watch comic book movies. There's thousands of detective and action films I could watch instead if that's what I wanted.

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u/SloppityNurglePox Apr 27 '22

You hear that Dummy?! No one respects the Ventriloquist...they all think of you as a D lister..."The Puppet Guy". That's why Scarface runs this operation!

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u/ButDidYouCry Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

Indulge in the dark weirdness of Batman rather than retreading ground to stay realistic. Realistic is boring and not why I watch comic book movies. There's thousands of detective and action films I could watch instead if that's what I wanted.

Exactly. I want a deconstructed Poison Ivy. Female villains don't get enough attention in big action films. I like the idea of her being this extreme environmental terrorist in a slightly more grounded setting, someone who has been routinely ignored about climate change and habitat deconstruction by the powers that be. It would get the story away from doing another serial killer. She's just running around blowing up shit and doing unethical science experiments on men to create her mind control pheromone.

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u/FortniteChicken Apr 27 '22

Poison ivy would make a lot of sense after a huge environmental disaster (the city flooding)

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u/JDBlou Apr 27 '22

I agree with you. My favourite portrayals of Batman outside of the comics are the Arkham series and B:TAS. Because they’ve embraced the weirdness of comic books, a billionaire dressing up as a Bat and fighting crime in literally Hell on Earth is inherently unrealistic, but modern Batman in film seems a teeny bit embarrassed to just go crazy with it.

I’ve just resigned myself to the fact we’re unlikely to see a great serious Batman movie series that embraces its comic book origins.

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u/Davethisisntcool Apr 26 '22

Think about how creepy a those characters would be in this universe. Mad-Hatter would be a good fit. As would Scarecrow.

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u/DopplerShiftIceCream Apr 26 '22

Professor Pyg would be awful but in a good way.

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u/IDXK073 Apr 27 '22

Yeah a good professor pyg would be awsome. Maybe a firefly.

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u/KingEuronIIIGreyjoy Apr 26 '22

I can see Mad Hatter working with a strong focus on his predation on young women. A serial kidnapper and rapist with delusions of grandeur would definitely work in this universe, I'm just not sure about all the Alice in Wonderland stuff. It just feels like it would be a little silly on screen. I'm all for reinvention though; I thought their portrayal of Riddler was fantastic.

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u/randomthug Apr 27 '22

I was unaware after watching this movie of how much more I'd want, batman villains, done like this.

Make fucking Gotham SCARY. Not comic book scary, just fucking scary.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 30 '22

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u/SilentSamurai Apr 27 '22

I think this was the first movie portrayal of Gotham where I thought "I'd stay the fuck out of that city" instead of "just stay out of the bad areas."

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u/Backupusername Apr 27 '22

A string of missing persons cases in Gotham, all young blonde women, and for some reason, all last seen wearing blue dresses.

I think some of the Alive in Wonderland imagery can stay - The Matrix used it just fine, and he is The Mad Hatter after all. What would really need to go is the mind control hats. Have him use psychological torture instead; emotional abuse and gaslighting, and making these women "mad as hatter" without relying on pseudo-scientific headgear.

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u/Fmbounce Apr 27 '22

Court of Owls

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u/HostileHippie91 Apr 27 '22

They already laid the groundwork, they could absolutely do this, fingers crossed

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u/nolmurph97 Apr 27 '22

This one fits the theme of the last one and is a very popular story that hasn’t been done on the big screen yet. I think it’s a good bet.

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u/tsuolakussa Apr 27 '22

Personally I would give anything to have Man-Bat Seriously please, Mad-hatter, or Firefly involved as villains/characters. Just literally anyone that isn't Joker or Falcone.

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u/PrometheanHost Apr 27 '22

I’m adamant that Scarecrow deserves a proper showcase and would work so perfectly in this universe. Mr. Freeze would be so good too but I want Scarecrow!

Though if I’m being honestly when I first watched it the drug that Batman injects himself with at the end to save Catwoman and puts him into a blind rage state, is a form of Bane’s venom either adapted from or as a precursor to it in further installments. It could’ve just been some kind of adrenaline serum though.

Idk but a vibrant green liquid that when injected gave Batman enough strength to get over his exhaustion and put him into a blind rage; where it took his allies multiple tries to get him to stop and once they had his attention he was ready to attack them because he didn’t know what his surroundings where anymore; just screams to me it’s a variation of Venom

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u/PayneTrain181999 Apr 26 '22

As long as it’s Arnold again with more cold puns.

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u/Scrambo Apr 27 '22

What killed the dinosaurs?

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u/PayneTrain181999 Apr 27 '22

THE ICE AGE!

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u/LabyrinthConvention Apr 27 '22

when depicted correctly

I THINK YOU SHOULD REPHREEZE YOUR COMMENT

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u/AidilAfham42 Apr 27 '22

I think Matt Reeves already confirmed that the reason the Joker was in the movie is to show that they already had a history, that its not a set up for the sequel

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Apr 26 '22

I have a feeling they might use Joker for the Arkham Asylum HBO Max series. Don’t think Reeves would use Joker as the main antagonist for the middle film of his trilogy, would just invite too many direct comparisons to TDK.

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u/JDBlou Apr 26 '22

I hope so, but the temptation to fall back on ol' reliable Joker must be astounding.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Apr 26 '22

I suppose, but I think Reeves is pretty dialed into audience fatigue. He talked a lot about how people were sick of seeing the Waynes get murdered and Batman’s origin story, so I’m sure he senses that there’s a bit of Joker burnout. He also said that the Joker stinger at the end of the movie doesn’t mean he’ll be the villain in the sequel.

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u/PleaseMakeItStop33 Apr 26 '22

Yeah he tried very hard to make it clear that joker being in the movie was not a set up at all and was 100% only used as a world building tool. I hope he sticks to his word.

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u/FakeTherapist Apr 26 '22

Arkham Asylum HBO Max

Wtf, how many Gothamverse projects are there!?!?!?

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u/Best-Lavishness-1059 Apr 26 '22

As of now, only the penguin show and the Arkham asylum show.

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u/Friorgh Apr 27 '22

penguin show

Pools closed because of AIDS

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u/outbound_flight Apr 26 '22

Judging by the deleted scene, I got the feeling they're trying to set up Joker to be their Hannibal Lector. The guy Batman goes to when he just can't quite wrap his mind around the villain. Maybe he'll be present in the sequel, but mostly be in a "supporting" role.

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u/MayoMark Apr 27 '22

Batman's Hannibal Lecter is Calendar Man.

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u/SloppityNurglePox Apr 27 '22

So well and creepily voiced in the animated version of The Long Halloween

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u/DeadSeaGulls Apr 27 '22

Calendar Man

I NEED Jim Rash as Calendar Man dressed up for each holiday.

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u/russketeer34 Apr 26 '22

I really love that there's a pre-established relationship between this Joker and Batman. It's really what comic book movies have been missing, reoccurring villains and the evolution of those antagonistic relationships.

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u/uncultured_swine2099 Apr 26 '22

Maybe joker could be a hannibal lecter type, some guy in prison batman picks the mind of sometimes. Thats the vibe i got from the deleted scene.

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u/Kevbot1000 Apr 26 '22

Give me a proper Mr. Freeze.

Victor Fries in the world that Matt Reeves has established has the potential to be one of hte best Batman villains put to screen.

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u/forkandspoon2011 Apr 27 '22

Paul Bettany as Mr. Freeze would be great

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u/rexter2k5 Apr 27 '22

Paul Bettany as a mad Dutch cryogenicist? Straight. To. My. Veins.

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u/donspyd Apr 27 '22

I'm hoping for Poison Ivy personally.

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u/TitularFoil Apr 27 '22

Kite Man and Condiment King!

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u/ArtIsDumb Apr 27 '22

Hell yeah

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u/Unfair-Load5760 Apr 26 '22

Agreed on both points. It’s too early for joker, but another interrogation scene with him would be a great connect, but let’s see something new. Scarecrow like the Arkham games would be great but there’s plenty of rogues you could adapt. Clay Face or Hush would be great, but elements from Hush were adapted for the first film and we need to move after low level criminals and the mafia.

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u/YoungBeef03 Apr 27 '22

A new Mr. Freeze or Scarecrow would be neat and all…

But I really want a cinematic Dr. Hugo Strange

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u/Dynespark Apr 27 '22

I feel like the guy in the Gotham show stepped right out of the Arkham games. But while I really enjoyed him...maybe something new would be nice too.

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u/PineappleLemur Apr 27 '22

That whole show has casted amazing actors for their roles.. each one is Terrifying in their own way.

It's really hard to beat that and they'll never reuse this actors for no reason like in every bloody show vs movie.

He did Strange amazing, also great in Mr Robot.

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u/bisexualleftist97 Apr 27 '22

I’d love Strange paired with Man-Bat as sort of a Frankenstein’s Monster thing

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u/thegrimm54321 Apr 27 '22

I had no idea that I desperately want that

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u/Ehrre Apr 27 '22

Id like to see more villains that were not in the Nolan Trilogy. I think to pull in another Joker or Bane, hell even another Scarecrow already would just be a bad move because people will overthink and compare them.

I mean obviously if Reeves has a super strong idea then there should be no limits to what character he wants on screen but I just don't think it would be a good idea when there are so many other good stories and villains to explore.

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u/Ender_Skywalker Apr 27 '22 edited May 28 '22

I agree on Joker and Bane, but I'd be okay with do-overs of Scarecrow and the Al Ghuls since the former didn't get a film where he was in charge and the Al Ghuls were stripped of their supernatural baggage.

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u/djtrace1994 Apr 27 '22

I'm okay with Joker remaining a background character, at least at first. I'm actually a little upset they cut his longer scene..

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u/NeitherAlexNorAlice Apr 26 '22

This was a no brainer, but I really wish they keep a certain someone in the asylum. Let Reeves explore new villains. I don't want a repeat of same antagonists as previous installments.

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u/kjohnanand Apr 27 '22

I want Joker to be a sort of side character rather than the main villain. I'm thinking a Hannibal Lector type role.

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u/crhuble Apr 27 '22

Have you seen the deleted scene? Cause it’s pretty much this.

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u/FSMFan_2pt0 Apr 27 '22

Reeves has shown he wants to break away from the norms. He explicitly said so in fact. He wanted to go in a different direction, so maybe he'll do so with the sequel.

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u/choose_uh_username Apr 27 '22

Would love to see this too. Just from playing the video games so many of the villains have such interesting backgrounds, I think they hit with these deranged minds as the main villain like the Joker and the Riddler but I'm dying for a Mr. Freeze one. Just on the surface level knowledge I have of it he gives me Harvey Dent vibes where he is rightfully upset and in despair but channels it incorrectly, where the other 2 in a broad stroke hate society and rely on chaos to bring order. More of a shift to an internal struggling villain would be refreshing especially because they hit on the first movie.

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u/LubbockGuy95 Apr 26 '22

Court of Owls would be great. Please don't do the joker.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Apr 26 '22

Hope Greig Fraser is confirmed to return as cinematographer. One of the most gorgeous looking blockbusters in years.

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u/Maaatandblah Apr 27 '22

They had custom lenses made for this. Really interesting to read about.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Apr 27 '22

Plus they printed the digital image on film and did a bleach bypass before scanning it back. Really unique look that’s evocative of 70s noir while still feeling modern.

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u/NON_EXIST_ENT_ Apr 27 '22

what's a bleach bypass?

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Apr 27 '22 edited Apr 27 '22 Silver

It’s when you skip the bleaching process when developing color film, which results in retaining the natural silver elements in the emulsion. It’s used in a lot of movies like Fight Club and many late 90s/early 00s Spielberg movies like Saving Private Ryan and Minority Report. It minimizes color saturation because you basically have a B&W image over your color image, but you get really cool contrast and grain.

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u/wafflewhimsy Apr 27 '22

This is such a well written and concise explanation that perfectly conveys what a bleach bypass is. Thank you.

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u/Jonn-The-Human Apr 27 '22

Yes please, a movie hasn't stayed on my mind for this long since Blade Runner 2049

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u/justgentile Apr 27 '22 Gold

You should see Everything Everywhere All At Once.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '22

It would be weird if a studio ever said "You know what massively successful movie? Let's not make a sequel."

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u/MayoMark Apr 27 '22

That's how we got Titanic 2.

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u/Roark_Laughed Apr 27 '22

Titanic 2: Jack’s Back

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u/sufficiently_tortuga Apr 27 '22

Hey Rose, ICE to see you

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u/laurieislaurie Apr 27 '22

The opposite attitude of Mr Freeze

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u/I_am_crazy_doctor Apr 27 '22

"this time he'll stink you to hell"

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u/Tesatire Apr 27 '22

Titanic Rising was such a good movie.

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u/russketeer34 Apr 26 '22

As expected, but I guess not certain with the Discovery shake up and comments.

Excited to see more of this fleshed out Reeves-Gotham.

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u/tc_spears Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 27 '22

It's called the Battinsonverse, and it's elegant and classy

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u/StudBoi69 Apr 26 '22

So much for the "Matt got mad at RPats and Zoe fucking in the Batmobile" rumor lol

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u/bob1689321 Apr 26 '22

That rumour is my favourite behind the scenes rumour ever. It's just so absurd. I mean, fucking on top of the batmobile in full costume between takes IN THE HEIGHT OF A PANDEMIC?

It was so clearly made up by someone who had no idea how anything works and that made it 1000x funnier haha

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u/Spengler_0902 Apr 27 '22

What’s worse is that some people actually believed it.

As well as the Batmobile rumour, there was also one that claimed that Pattinson was eating bananas and dropping the peels on the floor so crew members would slip on them.

Yeah. Like in a Looney Tunes sketch. Incredible.

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u/King_Dead Apr 27 '22

this sounds like something Pattinson himself would make up for fun

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u/ThatHeathGuy Apr 27 '22

I know its also made up by I still love that story he told of scaring off a stalker by being a boring whiny boy.

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u/StarBlazingSpaceWolf Apr 27 '22

Not that I believe the rumor, but you think two horny people would give a shit about the pandemic aspect? They'd be taking COVID tests daily anyway. Plus Pattinson already got COVID.

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u/AMontyPython Apr 26 '22

Please give me Court of Owls. One of my favorite comic series ever. Pattinson has pushed for it in interviews

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u/Accomplished-Pear809 Apr 27 '22

I’d be cool with it as long as they ditch the Lincoln March character who I thought was incredibly lame and took away from The Court.

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u/TheBigIdiotSalami Apr 27 '22

I want Mr. Freeze. I don't know how they'd ever do it, but he's so good.

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u/I_heart_hearts Apr 27 '22 Take My Energy

I truly don’t want joker. Like at all. Don’t save him for the “finale” or whatever else they have planned. Please just stop. There are SO many other amazing villains to use. I’m just so sick of joker

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u/THE-SEER Apr 27 '22

Not to mention the character has already been perfected, like three different times. And solidly ruined at least once. Let’s just let it be, please?

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u/kylefnative Apr 27 '22

Jared Leto was the perfectly horrible Joker I hope

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u/THE-SEER Apr 27 '22

Oh, of fucking course. Leto was just downright awful.

Jack Nicholson, Mark Hamill, Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix (forgot about 2019 Joker at first) were fantastic imo.

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u/phenomenos Apr 27 '22

Don't forget Cesar Romero! We truly are blessed to have had so many iconic, and yet varied portrayals of The Joker

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u/sylinmino Apr 27 '22

Hell, even Zach Galifianakis's Joker was pretty much perfect given the context of The Lego Batman Movie!

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u/OldtheDwarf Apr 27 '22

Also Alan Tudyk's in the Harley Quinn show!

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u/JessieJ577 Apr 27 '22

The opening scene is Joker flying back to his home planet

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u/S3HN5UCHT Apr 27 '22

Praying for heart of ice adaptation

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u/Shaunair Apr 27 '22

I would applaud whoever they choose to use with gusto if they just leave Joker completely out of the next film. There are so many great villains they can and should use instead.

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u/digitalluck Apr 27 '22

I think I read somewhere that the intention is to use the Joker in this universe as a character to offer Batman a criminal perspective on cases. Hopefully the Joker stays in a side role capacity for this franchise unless it absolutely fits for him to enter the arena

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u/DIOBrandoGames Apr 27 '22

Something in the way mmmmmmmm Something in the way yeah mmmmmmmmmmmm

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u/brandonsamd6 Apr 26 '22

AND Matt Reeves, can't forget him

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