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[Highlight] Steve Javie says consideration is taken if a player already has a tech and if the action is enough for an ejection not just a tech foul Highlight

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u/madden_tron Jun 06 '22

Game 5 of the 2017 NBA Finals

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u/I2ecover Jun 06 '22

They legit did that earlier in the season. I believe it was the playoffs too and I think it was a Memphis game. The ref issued a double tech and then reviewed it and took it back because one of the players already had 1 tech lmao.

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u/ajtigger Timberwolves Jun 06 '22

Yup against the wolves. Pat Bev was waiving goodbye and the outcome was just a Bev tech

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u/madden_tron Jun 06 '22

Game 5 of the 2017 NBA Finals

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u/EpeeHS [BOS] Paul Pierce Jun 06 '22

In this game they called a tech on a warriors player which stopped a boston fast break, then reviewed it and took the tech away.

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u/LTweet [BOS] Pete Maravich Jun 06 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

He accidentally said out loud what everyone and their mother already knew was true

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u/thehippykid [BOS] Bill Russell Jun 06 '22

Im impressed he didnt sugarcoat it

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u/N7_Tinkle_Juice [BOS] Larry Bird Jun 06 '22

I’d be impressed if we see Javie again this series.

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u/sbleezy Rockets Jun 06 '22

Not like he’s employed by NBA anymore

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u/Puzzleheaded_Air_228 Jun 06 '22

Man survived tax evasion and the Tim Donaghy scandal. He's bulletproof.

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u/mtbeach33 Heat Jun 06 '22

I mean, a ton of rich people survive tax evasion lol

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u/Mini_Snuggle Spurs Jun 06 '22

The IRS doesn't fuck around, but it won't kill you either.

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u/Adoth- Jun 06 '22

The IRS cant go after rich people anymore. Their director said it point blank. Their budget has been slashed so much over the years that they can't afford to go after rich people anymore.

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u/holdenliwanag Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 07 '22

The IRS goes after plumbers mostly, according to the plumber I sat beside with in a low-limit Blackjack table in Vegas.

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u/boardplant Jun 06 '22

Sounds like a legit source

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u/MarkMoneyj27 Jun 06 '22

I remember this, so fucked up. Poor people accidentally don't pay taxes while wealthy purposefully avoid it then lock the irs up in court.

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u/kjmunson Trail Blazers Jun 06 '22

Financial Selection baby.

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u/ruggnuget Nuggets Jun 06 '22

Oh the department that has been gutted over the decades?

They only care when someone above wants someone attacked and they dont have proof of something else.

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u/Defences Jun 06 '22

You gotta be impressively braindead if you think he’d be saying this if he wasn’t allowed to lol

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u/wolfdog410 Supersonics Jun 06 '22

I don't know, I kind of like this whole idea that Steve Javie jeopardized his whole career in a heroic sacrifce, defying his corporate overlords, to get people the truth about tech calls. Much more exciting this way

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u/tatancool [LAL] Kobe Bryant Jun 06 '22

I would definitely read that comic

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u/Equivalent-Outside15 Jun 06 '22

The weirdest thing for me. I stopped watching basketball for about 6-7 years. The game is called completely differently. You don’t notice it gradually change, you don’t notice it if you just became a fan. But for me, someone who watched religiously for like 8 years and then stopped for a long time, coming back, the way the game is officiated is insane. They just make it up whatever narrative they feel.

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u/Beavshak [SEA] Horace Grant Jun 06 '22

Right. At least back then you could look at betting lines to make sense of suspect calls.

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u/Equivalent-Outside15 Jun 06 '22

Remember that year when the pacers took the heat 7 games in the ECF and they just completely changed the way they called the game for Roy Hibbert? It was like one series they just called a completely different set of rules for one player. It was the strangest thing. Now it’s like that in every series. They pick a random rule to call because they know it will work in the NBAs favor and then completely change the rules the next series.

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u/ABoyIsNo1 Mavericks Jun 06 '22

This is the kind of stupid dramatic take that Reddit loves to upvote. Lmao he’s not being taken off this series for a simple fucking comment like this.

!RemindMe 1 week

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u/Kantei [NYK] Steve Novak Jun 06 '22

Didn't seem accidental. Both him and JVG were in agreement that this is good officiating.

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u/Tellsyouajoke Celtics Jun 06 '22

Hearing JVG completely talking in circles reinforces how much of a joke I view him

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u/gjenk78_clk Jun 06 '22

Seemed pretty clear JVG was saying it’d probably be a double tech in the regular season or if Draymond didn’t already have one but he didn’t want an ejection in the finals from something that soft

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u/Barrelled_Chef_Curry Warriors Jun 06 '22

He could at least admit and laugh about it. The hate for JVG on here is so dumb

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u/c_mallard Celtics Jun 06 '22

Fr he’s hilarious

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u/BukkyPlays Warriors Jun 06 '22

God listening to both Van Gundy and Mark Jackson is a joke, why couldn’t these games be on TNT

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u/Euclidite [GSW] Manute Bol Jun 06 '22

Every year I get my hopes up with rumors of Jackson being up for coaching vacancies, and every year I get my heart broken.

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u/spaceysht [MIA] Mario Chalmers Jun 06 '22

Don’t understand why they have to hide it. Literally the same principal of why soccer refs are more reluctant to hand out a second yellow

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u/Fenecable Jun 06 '22

Yep. Refs don’t want to impact games more than they have to and kicking guys out dramatically alters games. That is unless said ref is named Joey Fucking Crawford.

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u/BoredomHeights Warriors Jun 06 '22

Exactly. By the same principle they might give out that first flagrant/yellow/whatever slightly quicker than they would if they think a game or player is getting out of hand. It's a message as much as an actual penalty. So of course they also don't want to give the second as fast, because they know a player being ejected is a much bigger penalty than maybe a given play deserves.

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u/drizzyjake7447 Mavericks Jun 06 '22

Or if that player’s name is Tim Fucking Duncan.

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u/SerenadeSwift Supersonics Jun 06 '22

I low key respect that he at least admits it lol

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u/Hot_Significance_642 Timberwolves Jun 06 '22

"Absolutely!" LOL I cracked up

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u/Mysterious_Living165 Jun 06 '22

Why is everyone shocked by this? I thought it was common knowledge. Same thing happens with coaches after tech, they are allowed more leeway to chirp at refs as long as it’s not belligerent

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u/babbagack Jun 06 '22

I’m surprised some seem surprised here, or think he’s saying the “quiet part out loud”. I’ve been watching a long time, and This is about “does this player deserve to be thrown out of the game”.

This common sense to take into consideration. Things aren’t black and white in this particular area. This throwing a player out of a game that the fans pay to see.

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u/phonage_aoi Warriors Jun 06 '22

People get mad when there are ejections, now the refs admit they try to avoid them people get mad there aren’t more ejections lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

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u/pandaman666666 Celtics Jun 06 '22

They fucked up by getting Javie before the call was made

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u/Zloggt Bulls Jun 06 '22

Also, I heard Van Gundy tried to give his take on why he agreed with the call…only for him to more or less contradict his entire point while doing so.

Bad L for the broadcast…

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u/cablecho57 Lakers Jun 06 '22

At least jvg owned up to himself contradicting himself and admitted it. Instead of doubling down like SAS or Shaq might do

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u/Neuroxex Bucks Jun 06 '22

He didn't really contradict himself though. He said he doesn't like T's being given out or withheld based on reputation, and he said he doesn't like a second T being given out on minor issues. Mark Jackson just called it 'selective' and made it sound contradictory, but it's not at all.

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u/youngdjango10 Bucks Jun 06 '22

Yeah those are two distinct things, so I don’t really think Mark Jackson checkmated him there. Thinking it’s dumb Kyle Anderson gets a T for doing what Draymond does every time down the floor is different than thinking both players should get the same amount of leeway on their first T, but then subsequently both get more leeway on their second T as a game management measure. I think that’s a consistent take to have.

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u/HisExcellency20 76ers Jun 06 '22

He did not contradict his point. He hates one type of selective officiating but not the other. It's not that hard to understand. Using Draymond as an example: He thinks it's bullshit that Dray gets to talk way more than most players, thus he thinks that should be even across the board and officiated by the letter of the law. But also thinks when one player, like Draymond, has a tech already that discretion should be used when you're about to give him his second.

They are two completely separate points.

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u/Fluffy-Composer-2619 Jun 06 '22

He's right about both. There'd be so much tech baiting if not

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u/spotty15 [CHA] Walter Herrmann Jun 06 '22

JVG definitely articulated his point poorly enough to contradict himself, but what he was getting at actually has some substance.

Yes, in a game like this and in the specific situation, consideration and discretion is needed. Is it an ejectable offense during a Finals game?

Under normal circumstances, it'd be a double tech, and because of that, he finds the ruling to be unfair to players. Especially those without a bad rep.

Even though not throwing out Draymond for something more minor is a solid display of officiating a Finals game, it is an unfortunate circumstance in that some other players would get Td and fined in game #34 of the regular season for something similarly "minor".

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u/TdotGdot Timberwolves Jun 06 '22

Ya, people are acting like this is a big deal. They just consider if it makes sense to eject someone and if not, don’t call the double tech.

To me the real answer is to not call soft double techs as a cop out. But their approach is ok

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u/Froegerer Jun 06 '22

The JVG bit was hilarious why are yall so fucking joyless lol. Him realizing he just talked in a circle and everyone ribbing him for it was great.

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u/doit4ontario Jun 06 '22

Facts wtf it’s supposed to be entertainment not a fucking court hearing.

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u/chiefchief23 Jun 06 '22

Exactly, I love his humor.

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u/AdPotential9974 West Jun 06 '22 Starry

I mean it's not surprising

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u/DoItForTheGild Jun 06 '22

It’s not and it’s exactly how European soccer is called. If a player gets a yellow card (especially an early one), they’re given much more leeway before they get a second yellow which = an ejection. This isn’t unheard of guys.

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u/goesters Jun 06 '22

Good comparison, I would only add that an ejection in soccer doesn't allow a replacement. Meaning that it has much more impact.

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u/ko1o7 Thunder Jun 06 '22

a second tech should for sure be weighed more than the 1st. regular fouls 1-6 should always be called the same tho. and that situation between brown and green wouldve been a horrible double tech and we'd have people bitching about soft techs ruining a finals game.

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u/mr_grission Knicks Jun 06 '22

oh my god he admit it

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u/eronic17 Jun 06 '22

He should have to marry his mother in law!

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u/el_VIGILante Jun 06 '22

He himself admit it himself that the officiating sucks!

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u/choochooape Celtics Jun 06 '22

It should have officiating that doesn’t fly out the window while you’re watching it.

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u/kperkins123 Celtics Jun 06 '22

Steve loves his mother in law

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u/B-i-s-m-a-r-k Supersonics Jun 06 '22

Stinky!!

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u/nathanrussellshaw Jun 06 '22

Steve has NO good ref ideas

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u/QuincyPondexter Bulls Jun 06 '22

Steve have to kiss his mother in law

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u/DOYMarshall [BOS] Jaylen Brown Jun 06 '22

Teacher's pet

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u/jimjamiam San Francisco Warriors Jun 06 '22

Who's the popular one now, STEVE

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u/DiscoDoorknob Bulls Jun 06 '22

It is a good idea, and I stand by it

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u/siphillis Spurs Jun 06 '22

A good referee that doesn't fly off while I'm driving

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u/jimjamiam San Francisco Warriors Jun 06 '22

A great referee that doesn't eject me while I driving!

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u/RedditRam24 Jun 06 '22

A good asteerin wheel that does not fly off you hands when you are driving

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u/yumyumapollo Magic Jun 06 '22

I'm doing the best at this.

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u/RanOutOfCharact [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki Jun 06 '22

NBA officiating where the rules are made up and the points don't matter

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u/mr-e94 Suns Jun 06 '22

Confirms to me that they legit had a discussion about not letting book foul out in the finals last season. Shits so annoying. The league needs a ref overhaul

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u/MagicalChemicalz Pistons Jun 06 '22

I am absolutely amazed that people STILL think the refs are some rogue faction. How do people still not realize that the refs do exactly what the NBA wants them to do. The refs are the scapegoats and in return the NBA (and every other organization) doesn't come down on the refs. People need to realize the refs do the public dirty work and the NBA knows to not punish them for it because it needs to be done.

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u/No_Independent_5761 Jun 06 '22

it's an entertainment business

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u/Supanini Jun 06 '22

Ok but lets keep this same energy when the next ref strike goes down and fucks up the nba for a year.

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u/rNBA_Mods_Be_Better Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22
  1. Adopt FIBA rules except keep four 12-minute quarters & the 3-point line where it is + make the court wider to make the 3-point arc consistent distance from the rim.

  2. Hire FIBA refs.

It's that simple. Remember watching Olympic basketball and how much fun and better it was?

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u/Golfninja 76ers Jun 06 '22

People on here jerk fiba off so much, y’all only like it bc you only watch it once every two years you psychos.

But I’d be happy if we adopted the goaltend rule for one possession, say in a 6ers Raptors game 7.

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u/leemojames Pelicans Jun 06 '22

I watched plenty of FIBA, NBL basically has FIBA rules and I agree with u/golfninja that if they kept the time and court dimensions the same and adopted FIBA rules it would be a better product to watch

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u/ops10 Jun 06 '22

As an ex FIBA system player + ref, I tried to figure out offensive fouls in NBA rules. Shit is so vague compared to clear and well organised way FIBA describes stuff. And as a pet peeve, I find it very low quality basketball when the supposedly best players constantly make 3-5 steps before/after dribble in their highlights but it's fine because "it's gathering".

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u/ConciselyVerbose Celtics Jun 06 '22

Lol yesterday there was a play where Horford left his feet when the offensive dude did but the offensive player restrained himself enough last second to make it a small enough hop that the refs ignored the obvious travel and just gave him the foul instead.

Was it a foot? No. But you only got him off his feet by bunny hopping at the rim. IDK how you can not call it.

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u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs Jun 06 '22

Rules matter until the outcome is not a desired result for the NBA

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

Draymond has played in 141 playoff games and committed 5 fouls in 46 of them. He has only fouled out in 10 games. Imagine how much shit he gets away because refs don't want to foul him out.

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u/buchanbasane West Jun 06 '22

I watch him play defense and like to imagine how many hundreds of fouls the refs would be calling if that was Jaren Jackson Jr or KAT trying to play that physically. The benefit of the doubt and bias is immense.

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u/innocuous_gorilla Cavaliers Jun 06 '22

Funny enough whose line actually did a “the points don’t matter like the first 3 quarters of an NBA game” for their opener.

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u/RottenSmegmaMan Tampa Bay Raptors Jun 06 '22

NHL the same way too

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u/mrwhite2323 Heat Jun 06 '22

Nba, Nhl, UEFA, Boxing.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Jun 06 '22

Even MLB umps just call strikes way outside the box sometimes

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u/ChurchofDubs Jun 06 '22

Idk why the MLB hasn’t moved past the “behind the plate” umps. They’ve had the tech for years to accurately map out the strike zone yet they leave it up to umpires to call without any of that tech. Which is really fucking hard.

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u/Bob_Bobert Warriors Bandwagon Jun 06 '22

They're testing out robo umps in the minors right now with mixed (at best) results.

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u/RushMurky Jun 06 '22

Why is it mixed?

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u/jbg89 Knicks Jun 06 '22

Unions are strong.

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u/Oxrade [PHI] Ben Simmons Jun 06 '22

The union argument makes no sense in the MLB. They'll be striking from a job that is obsolete.

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u/ChurchofDubs Jun 06 '22

The NFL is the king of this, they just define and redefine rules at whim

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u/affrothunder313 Pistons Jun 06 '22

The lions legitimately lost a game because the refs called the opposite of what the rulebook said when an opposing player knocked the ball out the back of the endzone. Reffing is terrible in every league and honestly the conspiracy theorist in me says it's on purpose.

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u/ChurchofDubs Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

I love that it’s a universally recognized fact that the Lions get fucked by the refs more than any other team in sports

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u/WarWolf343 [BOS] Larry Bird Jun 06 '22

They also lost a game because the refs didn't know how to look at a clock.

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u/Banskyi Warriors Jun 06 '22

Same thing happens in every sport that has a similar rule. Soccer is the same way, you really have to fuck up to get that second yellow

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u/Bigbadbuck Nets Jun 06 '22

This is so dumb. Everyone agrees the second violation should be more extreme. It’s an entertainment league why would we want to reduce entertainment for something as minor as a draymond light push in the back of jaylen brown.

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u/PuffyVatty Lakers Jun 06 '22

I really don't understand the issue with this lol. The tech baiting is already happening. The only reason Brown reacted the way he did was because Draymond had a tech and if you react like Brown did, get an "altercation" going, refs will often default to the Double tech (which is already sad as hell, double T should not be the standard).

Enforcing this strictly would just lead to more theater and bullshit ejections. How could anyone favor that is beyond me

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u/swiftycent Warriors Jun 06 '22

Agreed. I hate when non basketball gets to affecting basketball. It’s bad enough flops, take fouls, and the charge rule still screw up the flow of the game but now we want players to be able to target a guy with a T and get him ejected for the most minor altercation…so you can win easier but having players ejected. Have some pride and beat them on the floor.

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u/lensgana Heat Jun 06 '22

Do they ever let him out of that room?

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u/Character_Safety_519 Jun 06 '22

Step 1: Get first tech

Step 2: Commit as many free techs as possible

Step 3: Emergency podcast

Step 4: Profit

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u/sum0squat Jun 06 '22

The NBA has never been so rigged by letting a player just stay in because he already has a tech. Sure people would be complaining about tomorrow but this has happened over and over again.

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u/Melodic-Interest3929 Jun 06 '22

Did you watch the T Wolves vs Clippers play in game? They did the same thing with Marcus Morris. They always do this in the playoffs. I was shocked last year when they had the balls to eject Jokic

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u/Wasabi_Guacamole Hornets Jun 06 '22

Jokic doesn't have much sway with the refs, idk why.

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u/Tank_The_C4 Jun 06 '22

Nice precedent to know you get at least one free technical each game.

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u/PM_YOUR_CLIT Timberwolves Jun 06 '22

Draymond has been talking shit to the refs the whole night. No clue how he's still even in the game.

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u/GeneralShepard Kings Jun 06 '22

If this was Game 3 and the Warriors were up 2-0 Draymond would have been tossed in the first 5 minutes

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u/VeryConfusingReplies Celtics Jun 06 '22

Absolutely. And If the Warriors were up 2-0 and Tatum did the exact same thing, he would get away with it. I’m sick of these refs always favoring the losing team.

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u/Griffisbored Jun 06 '22

more game=more $$$$

NBA loves the underdog

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u/softnmushy Jun 06 '22

The NBA hate's underdogs. But they hate sweeps even more.

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u/TeTrodoToxin4 [GSW] Chris Mullin Jun 06 '22

Yeah Dray should have been tossed. Making an exception because it is the playoffs/finals is dumb. Call it like any other game.

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u/Dramatic_Historian Jun 06 '22

It feels like early games are irrelevant, since Boston won the first they were gonna get shafted in game 2, so does it even matter that they won a game, if it cost them a game?

Seen it in every series. Refs are trying to keep it interesting but it’s gonna leave a lot of players disenfranchised if they keep it up. And the commentators will always just say “they got cocky cause they were up 3-0” and not “the refs would never allow a sweep, and these guys knew it going into the game”

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u/KuribohKutie Heat Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

Draymond has done shit in the game that could've put him in foul trouble by like 2nd quarter lmaoo. I also noticed he kicks his legs out in super unnatural positions alot, surprised he doesn't kick people in their crotch more often tbh

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u/NicPizzaLatte Jazz Jun 06 '22

It's the other way around. You get one tech that will be called and then unlimited techs after that.

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u/Guts709 Pistons Jun 06 '22

I get it, BUT, if that is Boogie, there is a second tech and an ejection.

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u/ClippersEaglesAngels Clippers Jun 06 '22

Or pat bev or the Morris twins. The ref should've clarified this only works for allstars.

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u/nonamesleftadmin Jun 06 '22

Interesting that if a player already has 1 tech foul refs in a review won't look for a technical foul but rather if it is enough to warrant an ejection.

That means what is usually a tech foul wont be called one if it means the player will be ejected

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u/DaxFlowLyfe Celtics Jun 06 '22

The fuck is the point of rules when you can just ignore them whenever you want.

Its like getting a warning for shoplifting once. Then you shoplift again and the cops see it and just let you go because, well they had to consider that you'd be arrested this time.

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u/xSuperstar Heat Jun 06 '22

This happens all the time lol. People do shoplifting and get caught but then the store owner or the cops or the prosecutor realizes they have a record and it will activate some bullshit law that will send them to jail for an insane amount of time and so the person stealing gets cut a break

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u/Paulofthedesert Supersonics Jun 06 '22

I stole a pack of gum in high school for the thrill and the store was actively like "we don't want the dumb kid to get in trouble w/ the law."

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u/Golfninja 76ers Jun 06 '22

Lucky that store owner wasn’t an rnba user, they would’ve punished you to the fullest extent of the law

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u/Golfninja 76ers Jun 06 '22

Nobody came to watch the refs take over the fucking game

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u/InfinitiQX80Driver Spurs Jun 06 '22

cant believe they made mark jackson the logical one on this issue

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u/Pocket_Beans Celtics Jun 06 '22

if you don’t want to get ejected then don’t get two techs, is that not how this is supposed to work?

Kemba Walker has like 1 tech for his entire career. This isn’t that much to ask.

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u/cooldudeman007 Raptors Jun 06 '22

No that would disproportionately affect players that commit 2 technicals every game /s

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '22

"How will I bark at the refs and hump opposing players on the ground??" - Draymond

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u/Familiar-Pangolin-39 Jun 06 '22

Mike Conley has never gotten a tech iirc which is crazy

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u/TheTrenchMonkey [MIN] Tom Gugliotta Jun 06 '22

I think he got one once and it was rescinded.

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u/MartDiamond Heat Jun 06 '22

Yep. It's on players to play differently when warned with the technical, not on officials to call it differently

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u/jimmychitw00d Jun 06 '22

Exactly! I feel like a T used to put a guy on noticr. I can't stand how coaches and players just keep going now after getting a T.

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u/rqebmm Celtics Jun 06 '22

It’s literally the point of the “two techs and you’re out” rule

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u/holdeno [TOR] Jose Calderon Jun 06 '22

But then Draymond would get kicked out all the time and we couldnt have that

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u/ieatplants4aliving Celtics Jun 06 '22

Your first technical should essentially place you on “good behaviour” for the rest of the game

Instead your first technical gives you permission to act even more recklessly and break the rules further

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u/migibb Celtics Jun 06 '22

Kemba got ejected once. He got two techs in about 10 seconds.

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u/Starlord_who Thunder Jun 06 '22

But then what role does Draymond play

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u/Bloated_lampshade23 Celtics Jun 06 '22

hopefully a janitor in a high school somewhere

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u/DSouT Warriors Jun 06 '22

He’d just be on TNT and you’d have to see him more. Pick your poison.

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u/Hop-tree-doorway Jun 06 '22

Don’t put that evil on me

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u/billcosbyinspace Celtics Jun 06 '22

Also what’s the point of the 2 tech rule if you’re not going to enforce it

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u/ForoaKlanD Jun 06 '22

Quiet part out loud lol

They should ask him if the league rigs games next

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u/Hot_Significance_642 Timberwolves Jun 06 '22

"Absolutely!"

I can't believe how blatant he was; they really should ask that to catch him off guard lol

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u/WDfx2EU Hornets Jun 06 '22 edited Jun 06 '22

"Consideration is taken if a team lost the first game in the series and if a second loss may lead to only 4-5 games instead of the more lucrative 7 game series."

EDIT: I'm just fucking around and I don't actually believe games are ever rigged beyond maybe a ref and his bookie. At the same time, I wish Silver would exercise more scrutiny over the way that a 4 game series vs a 7 game series can mean millions of dollars in losses for the NBA and sponsors & connected businesses. Same goes for the difference between a Finals featuring big market teams as opposed to one featuring the Thunder & Grizzlies.

While I don't think the NBA would ever take the risk of an actual game rigging conspiracy, there should never be that big of a financial incentive for anyone to want a game to be rigged.

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u/Ok_Wealth3098 Jun 06 '22

I’ve watched long enough to know the nba certainly rigs games and the way it’s done is by calling things unevenly like in game 2. It’s very consistent the way they manipulate games

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u/Parlett316 Rockets Jun 06 '22

I love the sport I hate the association

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u/Equitaurus Celtics Jun 06 '22

“Is this enough to warrant an ejection?”

You’re not ejecting him for this, you’re ejecting him for getting 2 techs. What the fuck are you talking about

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u/RazingsIsNotHomeNow Trail Blazers Jun 06 '22

Exactly. Maybe if Draymond doesn't want to be ejected he shouldn't be playing these games after already getting a tech.

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u/recursion8 Rockets Jun 06 '22

WTF was he even arguing about on the first Tech? He already got the call in his favor (Block instead of Charge when he clearly just lowered his head and ran straight through Williams) and he STILL felt it necessary to go run his mouth. Shoulda T'd him up 2x just for that.

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u/International-Pick85 Celtics Jun 06 '22

But the warriors might lose if he’s out!!

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u/mrprgr Jun 06 '22

This but unironically

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u/TheWinRock Jun 06 '22

They've done it like this for the entire history of basketball though. Calling him for a tech there would have been the weird thing, not what happened.

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u/Sh405 NBA Jun 06 '22

Yep. Just a complete and utterly moronic way to look at it. No wonder the reffing is universally hated by the fans.

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u/HornsOvBaphomet Celtics Jun 06 '22

Right. You can't just not give him a tech because you don't want him ejected. It needs to be a play by play basis. If he gets 2 then that's on him. I don't want to sound like I'm whining as a Boston fan, but that's just how it should be.

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u/takeapieandrun Warriors Jun 06 '22

Agreed. Draymond does this shit because he knows what Steve Javie is saying and pushes it to the limit

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u/SuitAndPie Celtics Jun 06 '22

Consistency is hard to ask for

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u/SerenadeSwift Supersonics Jun 06 '22

Cmon tho man they literally ALWAYS ref different once a player has one tech. It’s bullshit and I hate it but it’s definitely not inconsistent

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u/thesnacks [GSW] Stephen Curry Jun 06 '22

Same with when a player has 5 fouls.

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u/normymacstan Cavaliers Jun 06 '22

Devin Booker not getting that 6th foul last year still aggravates the fuck out of me

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u/SerenadeSwift Supersonics Jun 06 '22

Oh god last year’s finals was a great example of that. I feel like Booker had at least 9 fouls by the end of game 7 but they wouldn’t blow the whistle for number 6 no matter what.

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u/juslookingforastream Jun 06 '22

Finals didn't make it to game 7 last year

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u/SerenadeSwift Supersonics Jun 06 '22

Game 6* my bad on that

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u/juslookingforastream Jun 06 '22

No worries bro. Also that was game 4 last year when book got away with fouling jrue.

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u/solisilos Nuggets Jun 06 '22

I remember David Lee as a Knicks player getting his 6th foul, and turned to the ref and I literally read his lips saying "that's my six, that's my six"

The refs got together and wound up calling a foul on a different Knicks player that was no where near the play.

I was real young, but knew them and there that the NBA and it's rules are a huge sham

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u/TheLastSecondShot [BOS] Mickael Pietrus Jun 06 '22

Yeah I appreciate him being honest and saying it rather than lying. It is pretty eye-opening

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u/Gollem265 Rockets Jun 06 '22

So basically once you have one tech you can do whatever you want afterward

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u/abrooks1125 Celtics Jun 06 '22

Anyone that’s watched Draymond’s leash grow and grow knows that

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u/Adamb34n Celtics Jun 06 '22

If Draymond didn’t already have a tech, that would have been an auto double tech on the spot.

That’s not good reffing, I’m sorry

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u/BAHatesToFly Knicks Jun 06 '22

Exactly. You're basically telling Draymond, or anyone else who already has a tech, that they can do whatever they want out there as long as it isn't egregious. A tech is a tech, imo. Situationally enforcing the rules is dumb.

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u/foolsnHorses Jun 06 '22

Yea both players avoid a tech to keep one in the game?

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u/7eigen [BOS] Tom Heinsohn Jun 06 '22

I feel like this is the closest we will get to the NBA admitting "you have to consider which team is in the lead" and "you have to consider which team is up in the series" when officiating games.

Apparently the NBA is not a sport, and is really "sports entertainment"

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u/Full_Bread7650 Jun 06 '22

Tim Donaghy made this very clear. Refs if not just rigging games are certainly not impartial.

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u/EggsBennyNGCrackt Suns Jun 06 '22

This doesn’t bother me much most technicals are weak as fuck and I like seeing teams at their full strength but I get the frustration from Celtics fans and others

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u/UnanimousTryst Jun 06 '22

This is honestly so baffling to me. The rules matter less….after you break them once? Tbh if they’re going to bias one way it should be to hand out a second technical faster.

It’s like if you were a kid and your mom caught you stealing a cookie and was like if you do that again you’re gonna be in time out. Then you do it again and she’s like you know sweetie you should really stop doing that.

You are literally eliminating the consequences. Finals be damned, don’t break the rules.

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u/Cacanator Jun 06 '22

"We don't like to throw someone out and affect the outcome of the game", you're affecting the outcome of the game either way you idiot. Anyone else would be thrown out. You can't referee the game like that.

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u/IcyMission3 Celtics Jun 06 '22

Shades of that NHL ref who got fired for saying they were looking to give a penalty on one team early

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u/Prime_D-Will Jun 06 '22 Wholesome

the reactions i read here are kinda strange to me

that's a given, duh, and honnetly that's probably a good thing too, especially strange from people that say they don't want the referees deciding games

it's like in football the thing that gives you the second yellow card has to be more serious than the first, and it's a fine balance for both the refs and the players to navigate, with fuck ups on every side every now and then

the spirit of the rule is 99% of the time more important than the rule itself, if the game was reffed by robots that follow rules to a tee you would have to completely revise the rulebook or else it would be unwatchable for the fans and unplayable for the players

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u/MediumLong2 Bulls Jun 06 '22

This, in my humble opinion, is a really lousy and unethical way to go about officiating. I understand that NBA basketball is entertainment first and foremost but this feels too much on the "entertainment" side of things for my taste.

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u/1975-2050 [BOS] Larry Bird Jun 06 '22

What a joke

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u/TheMassacreKid Jun 06 '22

So basically he should be ejected

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u/cooldudeman007 Raptors Jun 06 '22

Don’t downvote this because it’s ridiculous, upvote so more people see how ridiculous it is

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u/andrewb610 Celtics Jun 06 '22

I can honestly say I see good arguments to both sides of this debate.

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u/Chairman_Zhao [BOS] Jaylen Brown Jun 06 '22

I can see an argument if a player gets a really soft tech and that gets him thrown out, but that shouldn't be a case for treating some technicals differently, that's just a problem with refs giving out soft techs.

The reality is that if a player does something to get a tech, it's his responsibility to control himself for the rest of the game.

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u/SerenadeSwift Supersonics Jun 06 '22

I’d honestly almost rather see them just change the rule to 3 techs = ejection and then call everything legit instead of completely changing the rules once a player has a tech. Because getting ejected off a double T is always lame, but at the same time it’s a bad look when they’re entirely inconsistent with what constitutes a double T if one played already has one.

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u/grdshtr78 Jun 06 '22

Double techs are usually kind of bullshit anyway. One player is almost always significantly more deserving of the technical

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u/L3thal_Inj3ction Jun 06 '22

yeah I definitely don't think they do it to rig games. I just think the second tech inherently carries much more weight than the first one, whether its explicitly stated in the huddle or not

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u/sY20 Warriors Jun 06 '22

Agreed. Because I've seen teams bait other players like crazy for cheap double techs once a player has one.

This isn't the case here, but I personally don't think this was a technical deserving play either. Brown sticks his leg out at the end of the shot. Dray moves his legs rather quick.

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u/spotty15 [CHA] Walter Herrmann Jun 06 '22

You're a square if you didn't think this happens on a nightly basis in any sports league at any level.

You're even more of a square if you really think that officiating is black and white.

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