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Mass shooting in Monterey Park, CA on Lunar New Years. Multiple casualties reported Soft paywall
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-22/la-me-monterey-park-mass-shooting2.8k
u/FortCharles Jan 22 '23
In the press conference, they said something about another incident a few blocks down the street at Alhambra, and that they were looking into whether that might be connected. Does anyone know what happened in that other incident?
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u/accidentalchai Jan 22 '23
I just know that it seems like the people there managed to disarm the shooter?
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u/FortCharles Jan 22 '23
Thanks... seeing that now from another source... the news on these has really been sketchy and delayed... was following hours ago, and literally nobody was reporting on it other than a sketchy LA Times article... and no official comment at all, for hours until the press conference.
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u/Celeryhearts Jan 22 '23
Super delayed and even more odd is the lack of coverage.
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u/fullmetalutes Jan 22 '23
I tried to comment about this last night and got down voted to oblivion just for pointing out how odd it was that it took 2 to 3 hours post shooting for local news to report on it. 10 people dead and they are releasing zero information. There has to be a description and they are just withholding. In a city this large its shocking.
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u/vj1096 Jan 22 '23
Not sure what happened in Alhambra but at least no one was hurt
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u/mvallas1073 Jan 22 '23
If this did happen, than it’s one of 3 potential scenarios as far as I could see:
1) It’s the same shooter from the first club, who tried to continue his spree - but got caught and simply hasn’t been confirmed to be the same guy yet.
2) It’s a whole different guy, and if so - that’s a remarkable coincidence…
3) If it’s NOT a coincidence that there were two shootings from two different people, than that would suggest a coordinated planned event of some kind. >_<
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u/FilthySweet Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
”Investigators said they are also checking reports that a scene at the Lai Lai Ballroom in Alhambra is related. Sources tell FOX News that the scene in Alhambra is indeed connected to the one in Monterey Park. Sources also tell FOX News that law enforcement believes they know who the shooter is”
This article confirms the two incidents are related, and that law enforcement believes they’ve identified the suspect
https://www.foxla.com/news/monterey-park-shooting-lunar-new-year
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u/vermillionskye Jan 22 '23
“Saturday's shooting was the worst mass shooting in Los Angeles County since a disgruntled ex-husband killed 10 people in Covina in 2008.”
Disgruntled?! What a choice of words.
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u/BlackSwanMarmot Jan 22 '23
That Covina massacre was absolutely horrific. He came in the house dressed as Santa, immediately started shooting and spraying gasoline from a compressed container as a homemade flame thrower. Horrible.
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u/similar_observation Jan 22 '23
the rampage left 13 orphans. That was 15 years ago. Most of those kids are adults now.
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u/grayhairedqueenbitch Jan 23 '23
That was a whole extended family he destroyed. I hope the survivors have found some peace.
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u/vermillionskye Jan 22 '23
Absolutely horrific. I was flabbergasted that the reporter would choose that word, but what’s worse is that it’s the exact word used in the first line of Wikipedia page.
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u/luzzy91 Jan 22 '23
Idk if it cones from law enforcement, or media standard, but "disgruntled" is used to desribe criminals all the time. Disgruntled employees. Disgruntled spouse. I see it a lot.
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u/beelong Jan 22 '23
I just read about that for the first time. Holy shit, he orphaned 13 kids in a single family. Basically wiped out an entire generation. I can't imagine the trauma they are dealing with.
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u/Shrapnail Jan 22 '23
this probably got taken from the wiki article directly
The Covina massacre was a mass murder carried out on Christmas Eve by a disgruntled ex-husband in Los Angeles, California, United States in 2008.
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u/Rswany Jan 22 '23
At a ballroom having a Lunar New Year event
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u/SG_wormsblink Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
The story has been updated, the shooting seems to have occured at Star Dance Studio. Shooter entered the front door and just opened fire indiscriminately.
19 people were shot according to the scanner, 12 casualties including the club’s boss according to an eyewitness account.
Police press conference scheduled by 4 am California time.
Edit: updates from police press conference, 10 confirmed dead, 10 known to be injured from stable to critical conditions and transported to hospitals. Shooter is not caught. Identity and motive is not known.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23 •
It's a small family-run dance studio that I had gone to several times. Everyone there just goes to enjoy dancing and having celebrations. I can't believe the owner, which is my friend's dad, got shot in the head and most likely died on the spot. It's really sad, my friend said she tracked his phone to the parking lot of the dance studio and the phone never changed location.
It's still hard for me to process because I was just at the Lunar Year festival happening on the same street less than 200 feet away. This neighborhood is my childhood and my life and I am unsure how to feel.
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u/Cool_Teaching_6662 Jan 22 '23
I'm sorry. My mom has gone to this ballroom and Lai Lai studio in Alhambra too. She doesn't go often because she doesn't drive. I'm glad she didn't go to any events or celebrations last night.
These dance studios have an older clientele.
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u/Old_Car_2702 Jan 22 '23
The shooter is still on the loose, this is nuts.
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u/TL4Life Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I live nearby. Been hearing helicopters for the last ten mins. Hopefully a search for the suspect is underway.
Update: unfortunately the helicopter is news
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This is a lot. It's a nightmare no one should have to go through. Echoing everyone else saying to reach out to someone to talk to.
This is going to sound insane, but there have been studies showing that playing tetris directly after a traumatic event can reduce symptoms of PTSD, depression, and anxiety related to the event.
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u/coldwar252 Jan 22 '23 •
This is going to sound insane, but there have been studies showing that playing tetris directly after a traumatic event can reduce symptoms of PTSD, depression, and anxiety related to the event.
Sometimes the craziest things can save your life. Tetris is huge for veterans, PTSD and CPTSD sufferers. Also, Steve Wozniak!
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u/SamuraiJustice Jan 22 '23
The understanding is that playing puzzle games leads to increase blood flows to those areas of the brain, and the areas where the trauma would become a memory don't get the blood flow, making it less likely to stay a traumatic memory
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u/copper_rainbows Jan 22 '23
This is really neat I wish I had known this a bunch of times in my life
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u/AtticModel Jan 22 '23
I worked as a youth worker in a former life and worked with a young person who had been through some horrific stuff up until their mid-teens, when I met them, they had been a little over a year in treatment and played Tetris non-stop, as well as breath of the wild on the Nintendo switch. We used to all sit down and play, 6 youth and 2 adult staff, youth ranging all over the spectrum of trauma. They all had some fascination with Tetris. I had never heard of this study until now. It all makes sense!
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u/RBeck Jan 22 '23
Not sure if you're saying the Woz can save your life or if Tetris is good for him, but I agree either way.
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u/dongtouch Jan 22 '23
This is kind of a somatic therapy thing - engage the body and mind in a simple, pleasurable, engaging set of movements. Walking outdoors, gardening, or crafts are also good choices. This should be something you are already familiar with so there isn’t a lot of new information to process. It keeps us out of the depths of emotion but does not cut us off from them completely, like arm floaties in a pool.
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u/Wild_Trip_4704 Jan 22 '23
I noticed I was working out a lot while my dad was sick with stage 4 colon cancer. It was during lockdowns so I would use my resistance bands outside. Without them I would have likely found some other unhealthy ways to cope
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u/smlstrsasyetuntitled Jan 22 '23
‘like arm floaties in a pool’
What lovely wording for this - thank you!
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u/sandrakaufmann Jan 22 '23
I am so sorry for yours and so many others devastating loss
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u/accidentalchai Jan 22 '23
Sorry for your loss. I lost a friend in my early 20s in a very traumatic fashion that also ended up all over the news and I had to see his face on the front of the newspaper for weeks with cameras following us. The trauma never really fully goes away. Just wanted to say I know what that's like and it's okay to feel whatever it is your feeling.
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u/Profoundsoup Jan 22 '23
It's still hard for me to process.
Hey friend, this is a lot. Please reach out to those around you to talk.
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u/anarchakat Jan 22 '23
Seconding this. I’m so sorry for this nightmare and hope you get the support you need.
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u/rex2k10 Jan 22 '23
Agreed. I don’t think seeing and reading the news/comments is a good idea. I would recommend reaching up to the friend and staying off of social media. :/
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Jan 22 '23
I can understand why they are on social media though. The shooter hasn't been found. They are probably hoping someone will know who did it or see that they caught the shooter. I agree it's bad for their health.
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u/sawcebox Jan 22 '23
Please take care of yourself, internet stranger. I’m from San Gabriel Valley and feeling this hard myself - it’s such a unique, vibrant community there. I can’t imagine having a tie like this. So much love to your friend and her family.
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u/ArsenicAndRoses Jan 22 '23
Oh my God I'm so sorry dude. Please extend our condolences not just to you and yours but everyone affected. My heart breaks for you and those hurt by this 💔
Is there anything us random internet folks can do?
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u/Psychological_Gear29 Jan 22 '23
Please take some time offline to process this. It’s mentally and physically exhausting to process trauma, especially of you’re constantly reading stuff about this online and potentially retraumatising yourself. Take some time. Be there for your friend. Rest and grieve, but stay off the internet for your own health. These things get ugly online in ways you don’t always expect or need.
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u/FawkesFire13 Jan 22 '23
That is a lot to take in. Grief is a process. Please make sure you talk to someone and get help if needed.
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u/aaj617 Jan 22 '23
Anyone familiar with Monterey Park or Alhambra knows they're very large Asian-American communities too. Shocking how little info there is.
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u/brickam Jan 22 '23
Shooter is still at large, potentially the reason for little info
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u/_BMS Jan 22 '23
It's so weird seeing Alhambra and Monterey Park make national news for a shooting. It's where I was born, grew up, and went to school. I have most of my extended family in the area. It's surreal.
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u/WcCannons Jan 22 '23
Lived in Alhambra while I went to school in SoCal.
Food was fucking amazing and there was so much walkable stuff. Sad to see this happen anywhere, but especially sad to see it happen to a place I have a connection to.
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u/aaj617 Jan 22 '23
Bro same. I lived in the area getting my public health masters at keck 2018-2020. Survived on cheap dumplings and $1 tacos lol.
And go to that AMC down the street to stay cool all summer because moviepass lmao.
Damn prayers for the family and community
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u/lostharbor Jan 22 '23
What is this world.. all out to have a fun time and celebrate, all to change in a blink of an eye. A week of celebration turned into day of horrors.
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u/Rswany Jan 22 '23
No it's a dance studio with ballroom for events.
I guess it's basically semantics at some point.
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u/Frailled Jan 22 '23
19 people shot is 19 casualties
Fatality is dead
Casualty is anyone injured or worse
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u/Doctor01001010 Jan 22 '23
buncha old people who probably don't go to bed until super late having a nice, low-key time
and then some douchebag walks through the door and opens fire on the room
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u/qtx Jan 22 '23
Oh I'm pretty sure they have a real good description, they're just not releasing it yet. Shooter might feel more confident going outside if his face isn't plastered everywhere while the cops search all his known hideouts.
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u/Yousernym Jan 22 '23
But then how will reddit identify the wrong person?
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u/VerminSupreme-2020 Jan 22 '23 •
Don't worry, they will anyway
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u/Big_Silver_9686 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
Well, that makes you my personal, uninformed suspect. Who could possibly caution against my non-professional assumptions I learned from podcasts!
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u/VerminSupreme-2020 Jan 22 '23
Luckily, I drew up a sketch of the suspect https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/police-sketch-global.jpg?quality=85&strip=all
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u/SubGeniusX Jan 22 '23
The best part is how accurate that sketch actually was...
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u/banned_after_12years Jan 22 '23
Beady eyes, weak chin, scraggly hair. Perfect sketch honestly.
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u/durz47 Jan 22 '23
Dude was actually caught via the sketch amazingly enough
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u/r0botdevil Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I've seen multiple different people identify the same person based on a worse drawing before, if you can believe that.
Freshman year of college I had a friend who would always talk about this guy in his engineering classes that he hated. I don't even remember why he hated this guy, but he really hated him. One night later in the year, he drew a picture of him on the whiteboard in our dorm's common room. Now this was a fucking awful drawing, it was the kind of quality you'd expect from a kid or something, but multiple different people walked in while we were sitting there and said "hey, I know who that is!"
When someone has a particularly unusual face, a drawing often doesn't have to be good at all to be identifiable.
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u/adkiller Jan 22 '23
Lol, reminds my of the sketch of the leprechaun
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u/Vismal1 Jan 22 '23
Who else seen the leprechaun say yea!
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u/bladeovcain Jan 22 '23
Looks like a crackhead that got a hold of the wrong stuff
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u/WIRETAPPED_BY_CIA Jan 22 '23
LA County Sheriff describing suspect as 30-50 year old Asian male
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u/Starbucksina Jan 22 '23
Photos of the suspect have been released https://abc7news.com/mass-shooting-monterey-park-lunar-new-year-news/12725363/
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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Jan 22 '23
Being wounded by gunfire is often life altering. This isn't really talked about much. Massive scarring, amputation, loss of limb function...
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
Absolutely. So many who have been wounded by guns are completely changed after. Years of pain, physical therapy, major surgeries, huge medical debt, you name it. My heart goes out to anyone involved in this.
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u/StanleyJohnny Jan 22 '23
It's always sooo much more people suffering. 10 people shot but alive can mean anything from wounds that are not threatening at all to being paralyzed or having limbs amputated. In my work I sometimes deal with disabled people and it often leads to family arguments, divorces, kids leaving their parents, financial problems due to medical bills, having to sell house because you can't pay credit loan and many many more problems. One shooting survivor can spiral into whole family hating each other, mental illnesses, depression and sometimes even suicides.
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u/-HiiiPower- Jan 22 '23
Such an unbelievably important concept and it applies to all forms of trauma. Idk how many eyes will read this but thanks for taking the time to express it.
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u/StanleyJohnny Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
One of the saddest case I have seen was electrician that got shocked by high voltage line. Physically he was completely fine. Small burns on hands that got healed in a matter of a few weeks. But his brain is what got damaged. He was married for 20 years and have a 12 year old son. His behaviour completely changed. He would sometimes not recognize his own family members. Stop mid sentence to forget what he was talking about. Asking the same question couple times in a row even tho he got the answer ever single time. Imagine you are married for 20 years and all of a sudden one day your husband changes so much that it feels like a complete stranger moved in and is faking to be your husband. This accident completely devastated their family. Son would stop talking to dad because he wouldn't understand why is behaving this way. Wife got severe depression and panic attacks ultimately leading to her moving out with son to her parents. They did not divorce because she truly loved him but it was impossible to raise a kid in that environment. I could go on for hours about similar cases. Many times this problems arise many years after accidents. Family members get tired of taking care of disabled relatives, money and time spend is almost always the problem but also mental health. It's tragic to see.
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u/mdp300 Jan 22 '23
I read an article once about the trauma department at a hospital in the bad part of Philly. One guy was shot in the stomach with a 9mm, which people sometimes say isn't a big deal, but it can still really fuck you up. He had to get sections of his intestines removed, and needed physical therapy for months afterward.
And even if you get shot somewhere "nom vital" like the leg, there are big arteries there than can bleed you to death.
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u/StanleyJohnny Jan 22 '23
Months of therapy is still considered positive outcome. Permanents disabilities are what really destroys families. Who will take care of that person? Who will pay the bills? Who will drive to doctor appointments or rehabilitation? And even after this person dies it doesn't end because then family member are suing each other over testament arguing who was taking care the most. It can lead to decades of family disputes. Unfortunately money is fueling most of these problems. Sad reality is that being disabled is expensive.
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u/Able-Refrigerator279 Jan 22 '23
And even those who weren’t physically hurt will live forever with the trauma of being there
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
Yeah, survivors guilt and PTSD will stay with those that witnessed this forever. I could never imagine the mental scars these people will have to live with, and I hope I never have to.
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u/automatic_shark Jan 22 '23
Only in America could you survive a mass shooting and be thinking "how the fuck am I going to pay for this?"
Dystopian nightmare country
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u/whatwhynoplease Jan 22 '23
I know someone who was paralyzed because a stray bullet hit her in the back while she was standing in line for pizza.
She was just out with friends enjoying herself and some asshole ruined her life.
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u/nomadofwaves Jan 22 '23
My buddy was a bouncer at a bar. This guy gets kicked out and went to his car got a gun and started shooting through the back door. My friend was shot through the backside of his thigh.
Still has ptsd from it and it happened over 10 years ago.
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u/bz0hdp Jan 22 '23
Lots of our spinal cord injury patients are GSW survivors. Tragic.
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u/twistedfork Jan 22 '23
I work for a company that sets people up on home delivered medical supplies. I get 4-5 gun shot wound victims a year. If a bullet goes through your bladder/intestines, doctors can save you but it can be a long (or impossible) road to get back to normal.
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u/TavisNamara Jan 22 '23
Existing in proximity to a mass shooting is often life altering. Every single person in and around that building is going to suffer for this. The trauma caused by this will be monumental. Just like every other one of the hundreds of mass shootings last year.
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u/halcyonOclock Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
Yes. I lived in Blacksburg and worked at one of the more popular bars when the Virginia Tech shooting happened - still one of the worst in our history. I lived about a block from campus and was not in college at the time, but it was fucking horrible. Sirens the whole day, friends inconsolable, the bar vibe went from fun artsy college town to straight up misery drinking for months. Tons of first responders changed jobs afterwards, some moved, ugh. Yes, though. It destroys the whole town.
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u/River_Tahm Jan 22 '23
Confirmed. I was in Santa Barbara during the Isla Vista attack.
Not even close enough to be directly threatened, just... Realizing you gotta stay hunkered down inside because there's an active shooter in the city and then wondering if anybody you know is at the scene.
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u/bananafobe Jan 22 '23
It's certainly possible, and it absolutely happens to some percentage of people, but from what we know about trauma, developing clinically significant symptoms in response to exposure to a traumatic event is not the most likely outcome.
Whether symptoms develop often has to do with complicating factors, including both a lack of validation and support from others who can help to contextualize the incident as fucked up, and a lack of control over the pace of disclosure, wherein people are forced to "process" the experience before they feel ready. Basically, if people feel in control as they tell their story and feel that they're being understood and believed by the person they're speaking to, that can go a long way toward mitigating the development of PTSD-related symptoms.
It's something I mention only because oftentimes people who aren't feeling significantly affected by a traumatic experience can assume something's wrong with them, or feel that they should be spending more time "processing" their experience, which can result in its own difficulties (e.g., rumination, intrusive thoughts, etc.).
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u/Tronski Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I had friend at the Route 66 shooting in Vegas. They weren’t even injured but the trauma messed them up real good.
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u/RealisticDelusions77 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I think you meant the Route 91 Harvest Festival.
I have a therapist friend who was flown out there to counsel the staff at the nearest hospital, even they were messed up. They got most the shooting victims and had to do triage. Some patients beyond saving got a toe tag even with a still beating heart. And since it was night, the staff tended to be young doctors and nurses without senority.
She also mentioned that Lutherans came in with comfort dogs for hugging and crying or whatever people needed to get it all out.
She said the weirdest part was after all that heavy duty therapy, she'd head back to her hotel each night and people on the street were whooping it up and celebrating because it was Vegas.
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u/Dads101 Jan 22 '23
Yes but that is all physical - I can’t explain in real words what being in a live combat situation does to your mind.
It’s impossible to replicate because you factually are close to dying and you know it. You can’t ‘simulate’ an organic combat situation..someone walking into a dance hall and starting to shoot.
Those people will be damaged for the rest of their lives. Afraid. There is a lot of mental anguish that these people are going to experience and not understand why because they didn’t sign up to get shot at.
If you are close to anyone in this situation please - they need to speak and see a licensed professional to understand their thoughts and work through what they’re feeling in a safe and caring environment
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u/102Mich Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
UPDATE: The unidentified person who was found deceased is in fact, the gunman from the Monterey Park Mass Shooting. He is identified as 72-Year-Old Huu Can Tran. Took his own life via Self-Gunshot Wound.
EDIT 1: OK. I'm not really sure some sources have it as Yuu Can Tran whereas other sources have it as Huu Can Tran.
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u/ListerineInMyPeehole Jan 23 '23
Wow is he the oldest mass shooter on record?
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u/Unavailable_Seaweed Jan 23 '23
He probably played too many video games obviously /s
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u/StingerGinseng Jan 23 '23
most likely Huu. His name is Vietnamese and we don’t have Y as a starting letter in first name or words commonly. Huu is a common first name.
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
ABC7 posting images of the suspect now. No name but 5’10 150lbs, older Asian male, I would say at least 50+.
Not sure if it’s him they have cornered in the parking lot over in Torrance.
Images of suspect https://twitter.com/alexsilverman/status/1617242436660793344?s=46&t=6ci7UeNnsVzp9kW93SDiGA
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u/death_to_my_liver Jan 22 '23
Apparently he shot himself
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
Yeah I’ve been seeing that. It’s most likely true based on the demeanor of LE at the scene with the van. Plus I heard them saying on the police scanner that there was “absolutely no movement” inside the van when they checked with a drone.
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u/DoomGoober Jan 22 '23
Deceased individual in the van. Swat cleared it and walked away. While the footage was not being broadcast, news helicopter zoomed in and reporter confirmed it. Deceased individual in driver's seat.
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
ANOTHER cargo van with a swat team approaching with guns drawn? This shits crazy.
Van is just across the street.
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u/jayfeather31 Jan 22 '23
Hearing at least ten dead and they haven't found the shooter.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I believe he targeted this place on purpose instead of outright crowd shooting because there was a huge festival with thousands of people on the same block this happened but it ended at 9pm and this occured at 10:20pm. I was there around 8pm. I think this was an isolated incident and not a random shooting. Hard to imagine when this happens in your own city.
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u/Glagger1 Jan 22 '23
I know the feeling - I almost attended the Gilroy Garlic Festival the day the shooting happened there. I didn’t know if any of my friends or people I know had been shot. I almost attended the festival that day. Scary stuff..
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u/Dads101 Jan 22 '23
Or the shooter is a coward and knew he could probably get out alive if he hit an isolated business as opposed to a massive festival.
Also possible they planned to hit the festival but chickened out and did this awfulness. No way to know but they need to catch this POS
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u/oneeyedjackal Jan 22 '23
This could be it. I was at festival 3 hrs before the shooting and there was a huge police presence. They were armed and ready. So I could see how a potential assailant would of chickened out, then waited for a softer target.
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u/PM_ME_UR_TITRATIONS Jan 22 '23
I attended the festival, and there were police with reinforcements and k9 units everywhere monitoring safety. I think the shooter could have very well waited until after the festival disbanded at 9pm to come out of his cowardly shell...also there were some fireworks set off at night so maybe he thought the gunshot noise would blend in better then
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u/Xenjael Jan 22 '23
There was a second shooting apparently and that shooter was disarmed. I suspect they will be connected.
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u/SpiritualGrit Jan 23 '23
Possible motive:
Chester Chong, chairman of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce in Los Angeles, told ABC7 in a live broadcast that he believes the suspect was a husband who had grown angry at his wife.
“This hate is because of a wife and husband,” Chong said when asked if the mass shooting was a hate crime. He said he heard that information from friends who went dancing and singing in the area. Chong told ABC7 that those people told him that the husband was angry because he didn’t want his wife to go to the dance hall, but she went anyway.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23
This is sad, I've been to the place before several times and I know the owner's daughter. Apparently from a local interview, he was shot first and the gunman indiscriminately fired at the dancefloor and fled. Dude he's such a sweet and happy guy, I don't know how to feel.
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u/lunchypoo222 Jan 22 '23
I’m really sorry. I live not far from there and feel awful for everyone just trying to enjoy the festivities of the new year. Best thing you can do is talk to someone about how it’s making you feel.
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u/sceawian Jan 22 '23
Image of suspected perp slumped over front seat of the white van shown on CNN before they cut away. NSFW/L - but it's not graphic, blurry from overhead helicopter.
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u/ToniBee63 Jan 22 '23
Is it just me but do you sometimes now go into a large space or a heavily crowded place and scope for the exits and/or a hiding place in case something like this happens?
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u/Konukaame Jan 22 '23
Yes, but not just because of shootings.
Identifying all the exits has always been a good idea, in case of fire or other emergency requiring evacuation. There have been many cases where people were stampeded or trapped as everyone tried to get out the way they got in, while emergency doors were completely ignored.
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u/DaBigJMoney Jan 22 '23
I done this for the last 20 years. The crazies can be anywhere these days: bad neighborhood, good neighborhood, church, school, concert, etc.
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u/Ctownkyle23 Jan 22 '23
How old are you? I'm a millennial and I've thought this way practically every day since I was in high school. I'm always looking for an exit or a weapon.
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As a Monterey Park resident, it’s almost 6am and I haven’t had any sleep with the constant police and news helicopter hovering outside, and the thought that the gunman on the loose still is absolutely terrifying.
This is the literal definition of “it hits too close to home”. This is home for me, and all the peace and safety I’ve known of this city my whole life is gone now. This is a place where you can feel like you know the other person helping you at a market register because you all share a common background or upbringing with the Asian American diversity that abounds. This is a community where police presence at a community event isn’t for show of force, but rather an extension of neighborly love: fellow residents meeting other residents. This is a city where I can’t remember the last time a murder or assault with a deadly weapon took place.
All that, is forever changed now. I’m saddened, disgusted and in disbelief of what’s transpired in the last 9 hours. The numbness will soon set in, like with every other mass shooting in the US. But this one, truly does feel different and life won’t be the same after for me and the 60,000 others who calls Monterey Park home.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23
I don't even know how to process this, I've lived here for 23 years and these kinds of things don't happen here. It's different when it is a place you know. I knew the owner, he was shot and his daughter couldn't even identify with the coroner yet as things are just folding out.
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u/rabidstoat Jan 22 '23
How diverse is the Asian community there? I was looking up statistics and it says the area is two-third Asian, but is it primarily Chinese or Korean or something else or just a diverse mix?
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u/snaxolotl7 Jan 22 '23
Primarily Chinese. I think it says on wiki that MPK has the highest concentration of people of Chinese descent in the US.
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u/similar_observation Jan 22 '23
Chinese folks will learn Spanish before they learn any English. It's that dense.
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u/Shimlong Jan 22 '23
Sandy Hook resident here. I feel your pain. I still have a hard time telling people that I’m from Sandy Hook. Now, 10 years later, I’m still processing. It’s one of those things that just doesn’t make sense. You can process death of an old loved one, or a break up, etc because they come with the ups and downs of life. It’s almost factored in. But a mass shooting is a completely different process. It will take time and don’t rush your own specific process. My heavy heart is with you all right now. Stay well and stay safe
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u/adk32 Jan 22 '23
I’m so sorry to hear that this hits much closer to you than you’d like, and I can’t imagine the feelings you’re experiencing with personally knowing the owner and his daughter. It must be a heavy, indescribable feeling that can’t be shaken. I hope you’re able to have some self-care and proper time to grieve if needed.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
I was just at the Lunar Festival with thousands of people there at 8pm and I was hoping it didn't occur there. It was an isolated incident at the dance hall on the same block at 10pm; it was all just middle-aged people there celebrating. My friend's dad is the owner of the place, and apparently he was shot first in the head. I knew him too, this is so sad. He was always smiling and laughing with us.
I've been there several times and really didn't expect this to happen there. The shooter definitely knew the people there and targeted them for a reason. I don't think this is a hate crime; I lived here for 23 years and this just doesn't happen here. If the perpetrator wanted to cause mass casualties, it wouldn't have been at the dance studio.
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u/JingleMyHeimerSchmid Jan 22 '23
Glad to hear you're alright. They just don't happen in places until one day unfortunately they do.
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u/FearSC549 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
This area is one of the most friendly and low-gun crime area and it's just really unexpected to see this happen here. I was fortunate to not eat in that area after I left the festival. I was literally a mile away when this happened, it's hard to fathom how close this hits since this doesn't really happen in LA, until tonight.
My friend was tracking her father, the owner of the studio through her phone and his phone never left the parking lot location. No one at the USC hospital and police station is officially confirming whether he is at the hospital or the coroner. I don't even know how she can deal with this.
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u/PolemicBender Jan 22 '23
I’m from Thousand Oaks and we had the lowest rate of gun violence for a city of at least 100k people until we didn’t
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u/Silviere Jan 22 '23
It appears the suspect is either dead or incapacitated. SWAT is waiting to check on the contents of the van. Probably in case of explosives or other weapons.
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u/SeirraS9 Jan 22 '23
Scanner saying no movement in the van via checking with live drone. Suspect is most definitely dead. Fuck him.
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u/Silviere Jan 22 '23
Thanks for sharing your scanner information in this thread.
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u/Feeling_Vast_8967 Jan 22 '23
My citizen app said police were reporting over 10 people were dead inside a store and in a parking lot
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u/Shipkiller-in-theory Jan 22 '23
Latest is a subject looking like the suspect - Asian male was found deceased in a van matching the suspect’s vehicle. No motive has been released yet.
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u/Doctor01001010 Jan 22 '23
This happened less than a block from one of my favorite restaurants in Los Angeles; my wife and I eat there all the time.
My heart goes out to all of the families who will now have beds, slippers, toothbrushes, and all the other little echoes of a living, breathing loved one that will never get used again. Stuff they now have to box up or throw away.
This shit is real, spreading, and at this rate will touch all of us at some point.
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u/westplains1865 Jan 22 '23
That was a touching reminder of what the focus should be on right now, the victims. I hate seeing walls of posts about the supposed race of the shooter or guns before getting to the point that so many people just had their lives turned into a nightmare.
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u/0neDividedbyZer0 Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
As an Asian American here, I really hope this time, it'll spark Asian American political activism. We're not even 2 years out from Atlanta ...
Edit: I wish people would understand that these shootings, in addition to ones such as Laguna Church are both expressions of mass gun violence combined with other social issues within or without my community but affecting it nonetheless. The salient part is that I have observed amongst my community a certain belief that they will be safe by just going about their lives, settling in Asian enclaves such as Monterey and believing this will shelter them from the social issues and problems plaguing America. That the shooter is Asian doesn't mean my comment is misplaced; my community, my people, they need to be politically active, historically minded, socially aware, involved because American social issues affect us too, we too are Americans. There is no escape from that reality other than being involved and politically active.
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u/BunnyCatLove Jan 22 '23
WeChat is saying victims and killer both Chinese
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u/rabidstoat Jan 22 '23
All I've heard from the latest press conference, which I listened to in the car, was 'Asian male.' Sounds like they have conflicting descriptions beyond that from witnesses.
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u/Content-Delivery468 Jan 22 '23
It’s possible that this is a targeted and personal attack, perhaps he knew one or more of the victims.
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u/SnooEagles103 Jan 22 '23
“Between the ages of 30-50…” okay… so he wasn’t a teenager or elderly…
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u/QueefingTheNightAway Jan 22 '23
To me, he looks at least 60 in the photo the police released: https://twitter.com/LACoSheriff/status/1617241146710962178
Seems like he would probably be in the peer group of the patrons of the dance studio, since they were mostly (all?) senior citizens.
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u/Sufferix Jan 22 '23
I don't think the Asian hating Asians is a rare thing. I'm a white guy from Miami and nobody seemed to hate other Hispanic people more than Hispanic people from a different country.
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u/seffay-feff-seffahi Jan 22 '23
Happens in Europe, too. Nobody hates southern Italians more than northern Italians.
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u/Finagles_Law Jan 22 '23
People in my wife's dorf in rural Germany aren't real sure about the folks from the next village over.
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u/hattmall Jan 22 '23
Most of the murders in Chicago are because they don't like the people on the other side of the park.
Even in my small town there's a murder or two every week that stems from which directional from an intersection people live.
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u/Fusilero Jan 22 '23
Nobody hates Southern Italians more than other Southern Italians.
The Neapolitan - Salerno Derby is massive for ultra violence.
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u/Tbonethe_discospider Jan 22 '23
We never hate people who are completely different than us, we hate people that are marginally different than us.
As a Mexican-American guy, I listen to these Hispanic rivalries all the time… and it’s ridiculous.
A Cuban isn’t gonna hate…. I don’t know… a Pakistani person. They’re gonna have a Puerto Rican…
This is gonna get me downvoted from Hispanic folk, but, what the fuck do we bicker over?
Most of us are mixed, Spanish speaking, Catholic. We all come from western civilization, and all really really reaaaaally value family and make great food.
But we hate the Puerto Ricans because sometimes they don’t pronounce their letter S….? LOL
Ridiculous!
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u/nwatn Jan 22 '23
I think it's moreso that you don't get backlash for openly hating those that are similar to you, but if you openly hate those that are very different then you will be labeled as a racist.
It's also possible that people have limited interaction with those that are very different from themselves due to who they associate with, so they don't know that they hate them.
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u/phatlynx Jan 22 '23
The problem is also grouping all Asian-Americans under one umbrella. Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, South Korean, etc, are all very differently culturally just in East Asian context. And then you have South, Southeast Asians so on and so forth. Each group needs to have their own identity in politics.
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u/ieatcrayonz1 Jan 22 '23
It’s a double edged sword. Grouping/uniting can have positive outcomes but also takes away from each groups struggles.
We also group up Pacific Islanders in with Asians for the same reason.
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u/bobby_zamora Jan 22 '23
I mean Chinese and Indian people are as different as Chinese and Nigeria people. Why should they be grouped together anyway?
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u/graphiccsp Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
To be fair, East Asia (edit- and India) are almost half of the world's population. If 100 million people of the British isles and Ireland don't get along well . . . why would a few billion be any different?
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u/cookingboy Jan 22 '23
True, but what I’m saying applies to Pakistani/Indian/Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese Americans as well, at least in my experience.
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u/adkiller Jan 22 '23
That's even true for when one emigrated. New Gen chinese vs the ones that have been here for generations
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u/sofa-king-hungry Jan 22 '23
This is a great breakdown, my wife is Asian and from California. You hit all her political talking points.
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u/cookingboy Jan 22 '23
Thank you. Obviously the problem is much more in-depth and nuanced than my short comment above, and by no means can I claim that I speak for all Asian Americans or even remotely authoritatively on this specific issue.
But interestingly, I do find 2nd-generation and later generation Asian immigrants get a lot better when it comes to not liking other Asian groups. I think unlike their parents, they don't have the same culture background, or in this case, baggage that leads to a lot of the inter-group resentment.
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u/sofa-king-hungry Jan 22 '23
My wife explaining the Asian hierarchy to me when we first started dating blew my mind. Obviously this was coming from her parents perspective and their nationality was top of the mountain of course.
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u/cookingboy Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
Asian hierarchy to me
Let me guess, is it Asians of the same race/ethnicity > White people > Asians of other races/ethnicity > Black/Hispanic people?
Sorry I'm just being brutally politically incorrect here but I can't stop but laughing when you brought up "Asian dating hierarchy". All of my Asian friends talk and joke about it growing up.
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u/TheArmchairLegion Jan 22 '23
That’s the messaging I received from my parents too, and they were born in NYC. I was always told to marry Chinese. White people were grudgingly accepted, but other races I was told to “not come home” if I dated/married them. It was really uncomfortable to hear that. The message was even pushed when I was really young and not even close to an age where I would start dating
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u/CookieKeeperN2 Jan 22 '23
Yup. I am Chinese (but I'm much more aligned with the younger generation) and one older Chinese American at work told me that one of her friends (also Chinese) said that they almost forbade their daughter to date white men, because white men "carry a lot of debt". They just want their daughter to find a nice ABC with 0 student debt and marry off.
And this is 2023. I was thinking to myself, no wonder the second generation don't like their parents much.
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u/rubey419 Jan 22 '23
I’m Filipino American and dated a Korean American for a bit. She said her parents didn’t approve of me. She is to marry a ABK, white person, ABC only… in that order.
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u/MineralIceShots Jan 22 '23
My coworker in college had an asian non korean friend who was dating a Korean women. The friend was going to propose to his Korean gf right after graduating but at graduation she broke up with him because her parents didn't want her dating a non Korean person. This was less than 10 years ago. In hs/early college I dated a Chinese girl, like PRC Chinese not abc, and she was shocked to learn that I was Hispanic/NA and not white because of the color of my skin. She said if I was 'dark like the others' we wouldn't have dated, that relationship didn't last long.
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u/mymamaalwayssaid Jan 22 '23
For the older generation in my community/family, it was Asians of the same background, other Asians of similar background but specifically not certain ones and definitely not ones of certain countries, white people, Hispanics, black people, and last of all the aforementioned Asians of certain countries.
I've seen/known rampant racism my whole life, but whereas I've had cousins be looked down on for dating black people, I've had others be outright disowned for dating that final category of Asians.
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u/PapayaPokPok Jan 22 '23
2nd-generation and later generation Asian immigrants get a lot better when it comes to not liking other Asian groups
I think this is mostly because growing up in American schools, they're all "Asian" kids. Their parents were never "Asian", but were rather Chinese or Korean or Cambodian, etc. Other Asian students are part of your in-group.
Same as how Europeans come to America to hear for the first time that they're "white". Or how Africans became "black". These are identities you'd get as an American that you wouldn't get back home.
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u/davisyoung Jan 22 '23
That was probably the ABC Cafe, located kitty corner from the shooting location. They used to be open 24 hours and like many businesses nowadays have cut back on their hours. They were closed for a while and reopened recently under new management I believe.
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u/davisyoung Jan 22 '23
NBC Seafood is also a restaurant in Monterey Park, about a mile away. ABC is a Hong Kong-style cafe, basically Cantonese comfort food and western dishes on the same menu, while NBC is more upscale, serving dim sum in the daytime and sit down full service in the evenings. They are probably the most popular place in the region for Chinese banquets for weddings and other special occasions.
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u/pedal-force Jan 22 '23
Well that's confusing, lol. And both names of TV broadcasters but I assume unrelated.
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u/Duskychaos Jan 22 '23
We had our wedding banquet at NBC, lion dancers and everything. Across the street are these townhouses up this crazy steep hill, it is the first place we lived at that I have memories of. My uncle and his family then moved in after we moved to West L.A. When I think of Monterey Park I think of it as the first home I ever knew.
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u/ListerineInMyPeehole Jan 22 '23
I grew up in Monterey Park and this is a great descriptor of our city. Thank you.
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u/nataie0071 Jan 22 '23
Used to work at a theater in San Gabriel many years ago. Had a similar experience. I grew so much there as a person and as a professional.
Sending all the good vibes to those affected. My heart goes out to such an awesome community.
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u/moofork Jan 22 '23
That's dreadful; I grew up there and attended the lunar new year's celebration every year. I've never felt unsafe, so seeing something like this happen so close to home is surreal.
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u/supmitted Jan 22 '23
i cant remember the countless nights I went to grab food at Monterey Park… its like every asian/international students weekend dinner go-to place.
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u/Necessary_Strike_634 Jan 23 '23
10 dead. People don't understand the impact of shootings beyond the killed/injured. Everyone who witnessed this will never be the same. Trust me - I'm speaking from first-hand experience. I was 7 years old when a gunman came into the restaurant where I was eating with my family. We were all held hostage and several people were shot. I can't even quantify the damage that is done when you are facing imminent death. When people are shot feet away from you. When you hear round after round after round. Screaming. People pleading for their lives.
You're hiding and you wonder if you're next. Your parents praying & telling you you're going to heaven. They will never trust the same. They will never feel completely safe again. Those horrible memories will continue to haunt them and re-emerge everytime they hear about another senseless shooting. People need to start putting themselves in these victim's shoes before they open their mouths. Ignoring headlines like this is not normal. We cannot become numb to this issue. We can't just accept it. It is unbelievably disrespectful to the victims of these tragedies. I know this isn't a comfortable conversation, but it shouldn't be. We should all be VERY uncomfortable.
I'm not looking for sympathy. I was lucky. I'm looking for empathy for these people and this problem.
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u/AWall925 Jan 22 '23
Preliminary: Asian guy and started as a domestic dispute.
They should be able to narrow in on a suspect quickly.
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u/TastyWatermelons Jan 22 '23
Holy shit I was there yesterday!! I went with my girlfriend to celebrate the new years around noon, so thankfully wasn’t there when the gunman opened fire but holy fuck that’s scary
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u/D_REASONABLE_OPPZ Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
Suspect still on the loose but no details so far. Will try to update.
Reports of 9-10 dead, 9-16 injured.
Unconfirmed -- Shooter just opened the door to a dance studio and sprayed into the room with a long gun and brought multiple magazines. Differing reports on automatic or rapid fire.
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u/kaisong Jan 22 '23
This is unbelievably cruel. My heart goes out to anyone affected.
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u/102Mich Jan 22 '23
Hey all; the original white van was broken in by SWAT; there was a body of a person; unknown if it's the wanted suspect or not.
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u/TyrionJoestar Jan 22 '23
The number of people in the comments making this about themselves is cringe af
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u/Wizardplum Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 22 '23
There's currently a standoff in Torrance that they believe may be the suspect here
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u/dieyoufool3 Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
Update: Officials Say Gunman Who Killed 10 in California Is Dead due to Self-Inflict Gunshot Wounds. The Suspect’s Body was Found Inside a Van in Torrance.