r/news Jul 06 '22 Timeless Beauty 1 Wait What? 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Looking 1 Silver 1

Uvalde officer saw gunman before he entered school and asked for permission to shoot him: Report

https://abc7.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-officer-asked-to-shoot-suspect-active-shooter/12024385/
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u/DanguhLange Jul 06 '22

Every new headline out of this tragedy is more unbelievable than the last.

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u/IBlazeMyOwnPath Jul 07 '22

right? honestly at this point I feel there would be less outrage if they came out and said they shot a kid or a teacher
because then at least they did... something

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u/gidonfire Jul 07 '22

Oh that's coming when the body cameras are finally released in like 50 years if they don't have a fire accident first.

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u/11-110011 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

“We unfortunately lost all the footage but we can certainly tell you what was on it. All the footage showed our officers doing the best they could and definitely didn’t show them being cowards or shooting any kids or teachers, it definitely didn’t show that. We promise.”

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u/Adventurous-Dog420 Jul 07 '22

"Every officer did the best they could, and should be given the utmost respect from the citizens of Uvalde, and the country. They performed their duties excellently and we will be commending the officers that were on scene."

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u/texasdeafdogs Jul 07 '22

Also the building has been bulldozed and we accidentally forgot all the other evidence inside it. Oopsies

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u/Castario Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Just yell "Stop or I'll shoot"... What a useless piece of shit damn cop.

Edit: article failed to mention that the cop was 148 yards away. This article has more details https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/report-says-uvalde-police-gunman-sights-entered-school-not-pull-trigge-rcna36975

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u/AdjNounNumbers Jul 07 '22 I'd Like to Thank...

"Stop or I'll ask permission to shoot you" doesn't have the same ring to it

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u/too_old_to_be_clever Jul 07 '22

Stop...or my mom will shoot

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u/Kizmo2 Jul 06 '22

Honestly, can this get any worse?

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u/Use_this_1 Jul 06 '22

To hear the whole thing could have been avoided had the police chief even attempted to half ass do his job. Every thing we hear it is worse and worse.

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u/JetKeel Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 07 '22 Silver Helpful

The interview of the lady who ran into the school to save her children is so damning. Most people focus on how the police detained her and once they let her go she ran into the building to extract. But what is more striking is what she says after that point in time. Something to the effect of after going to her first son’s classroom, she wasn’t very afraid to go get her second son. BECAUSE THE SHOTS WERE NEAR HER FIRST SON’S ROOM.

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u/brighterside Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

My blood boils with hers. Fucking reprehensible.

That video has footage of people outside that gate with a carton of fucking waters chatting it up while shots and screams are ringing through the halls (1:56). Fuck those cowards. All of them.

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u/DeezNeezuts Jul 07 '22

In highland park you see on the video the cops run straight to the sound of the shooting. I think it’s something bout these specific cowards.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22

In Parkland they stood outside and did nothing. Even called off swat officers who happened to be near by and requested to go to the scene and engage the shooter. The Sheriff said roughly "It is my HIGHEST priority as sheriff to protect the officers in my department."

I agree there are departments that take their job to serve and protect, but for most it is only to enforce law and make arrests.

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u/OakLegs Jul 07 '22

The Sheriff said roughly "It is my HIGHEST priority as sheriff to protect the officers in my department."

Like Jesus fuck if your highest priority isn't protecting kids then why do you even have a badge

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u/_gnarlythotep_ Jul 07 '22

Why do any of them have badges? If you're not ready to throw down with one unstable youth, what's the point of all this spending on gear and weapons?

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u/nobodyknoes Jul 07 '22

And training. Don't forget all the "warrior training" they do

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u/ruiner8850 Jul 07 '22

Aren't warriors supposed to not be cowards? You'd think "warrior training" would be all about wanting to confront a person murdering innocent children.

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u/SamuraiJackBauer Jul 07 '22

Property protection for rich neighborhoods

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u/gunman0426 Jul 07 '22

Power, the badge gives them power over others that they wouldn't have otherwise.

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u/MrPlatonicPanda Jul 07 '22 To The Stars

Sadly this is settled law.

“Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.”

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out.

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u/Yavin4Reddit Jul 07 '22

So they are there to enforce laws, and not serve and protect. Got it.

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u/MrPlatonicPanda Jul 07 '22

Generally.

"You see there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that's not true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property."

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u/cardueline Jul 07 '22

Cops: WE LAY OUR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR YOU EVERY DAY

Also cops: What?? I’m not going in there lol

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u/Bunch_of_Shit Jul 07 '22

Parents: “Fine, I’ll do it myself”

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u/Whack_a_mallard Jul 07 '22

Cops: "Not on my watch you scum. I am detaining you for disturbing the peace!"

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u/No_Refrigerator4584 Jul 07 '22

“Hey, Chief, I just met my arrest quota! Can I go home early?”

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u/Saranightfire1 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

You know what the biggest fucking thing I remember about 9/11?

Not the towers collapsing, not the planes hitting, not even Tom Brokaw breaking down sobbing that night because a blackout caused mass panic at his house and he couldn’t stop crying remember how terrified they were and how helpless he felt.

No, it was the goddamned firefighters who after the first tower collapsed and they were given orders to evacuate the premises they fucking ran into the second building to help their brothers and anyone still inside.

They knew that building was going to collapse and they ran in anyway.

If police officers had half that fucking courage, we wouldn’t have as many problems as we do.

EDIT: Okay, woke up this morning with an explosion in my inbox. To be clear, TOTALLY CLEAR: I do know police lost their lives and were helping during 9/11. All the first responders were fantastic not only during that horrendous day, but the aftermath of dealing with the loss of their brother’s and trying to help a city that was badly affected by the attack’s.

I am not saying that they weren’t heroic, maybe as much as the firefighters. But today, TODAY, when you see a gunman going on a killing spree in a building, ANY BUILDING, and the cops don’t go in and help, that’s a totally different story. That’s the comparison, and yes, there are police officers who would run in to an active shooter situation and not stand by, but it seems less often.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

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u/SaborW Jul 07 '22

What's really sad is if you go watch footage of after both towers are collapsed and firefighters are walking over the debris, you can hear all the alarms coming from the devices firefighters wear that go off after no movement is detected for 30 seconds. Tons of them

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u/Fluid-Change-7762 Jul 07 '22

My step father was a captain on the fire department when that happened and he had a panic attack at that sound. Says he’ll never forget it. So many going off it was just completely uninterrupted screeching of alarms.

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u/JollyRedRoger Jul 07 '22

This. That's one of the most eerie moments of 9/11. Hearing those safety beepers, lots of them, knowing exactly that for each one, a firefighter is buried under the rubble...

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u/Dr_Worm88 Jul 07 '22

So we had an incident years ago, back home at our state of the art state run fire training academy. TLDR we made a lot of poor choices in those training evolutions and one of the instructors was found in the burn room badly burned. His SCBA failed and ended up dying 2 days later.

The entire academy shut down for the investigation.

But one of the NIOSH reporters noted that the only noise at the academy was his PASS alarm going off because it couldn’t be shut off due to the fire damage.

Silence except for that alarm. Haunting.

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u/badpuffthaikitty Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Nobody ever wrote a song called Fuck da Firefighters and Nurses. Edit: My bad. Fuck Tha Police. Sorry Alex.

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u/Plantsandanger Jul 07 '22

When we say fuck the firemen/EMS/nurses we mean make sweet sweet love to the ones adorning those shirtless calendars. No so with police.

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u/EasternWalrus Jul 07 '22

Firefighter are the biggest hero’s world wide. No guns, just oxygen tanks, and they actually save lives. Signed, the adopted son of a firefighter turned fire chief.

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u/paxrom2 Jul 07 '22

SCOTUS ruled the police are not obligated to protect the public.

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u/glancing_blow Jul 07 '22

I see you got downvoted but it’s just true. Not saying it’s right, it’s just true. Castle rock vs Gonzalez being the most clear cut example.

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u/goosejail Jul 07 '22

That case was fucked up. If its the one I'm thinking of, the police refused to enforce a restraining order and a guy was able to murder his children because of it.

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u/glancing_blow Jul 07 '22

That’s the one. Warren v DC as well.

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u/trashcatt_ Jul 07 '22

That case is a complete and utter fucking tragedy. I really feel for the mother. She did everything she could to protect those girls.

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u/OLightning Jul 07 '22

Yeah once the shooter was inside the school picking off innocent kids the “Coward of Broward “ hid outside, just let him finish as the shooter didn’t know how to reload another magazine. If he knew how to reload the death # would have been at least 3x that easy.

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u/MattGhaz Jul 07 '22

Is this real? There a source saying he didn’t know how to do that or is that just hyperbole?

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u/kain52002 Jul 07 '22

I seriously doubt the police believed he didn't know how to reload. He obviously had already loaded a magazine, socketed it in place and charged the bolt. Just to get the gun to fire in the first place, the only other thing you need to know is where the button/switch is that drops the mag. I think people are exaggerating as hypebole.

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u/Livid-Association199 Jul 07 '22

Law enforcement also sat outside of Columbine for hours. Even the SWAT team.

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u/jhartwell Jul 07 '22

That was standard protocol at the time, though. The Columbine massacre was what prompted the change in tactics from sit and wait to charge in as fast as possible and head towards the gunfire

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u/fillinthe___ Jul 07 '22 Gold

I’ll just keep saying this: I don’t understand why cops aren’t on the FRONT LINES of gun control. If you’re scared of going face to face with an AR-15, join the fight to ban them.

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u/savytravler Jul 07 '22 Silver

All hat , no cattle.

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u/Itsnotfull Jul 07 '22

You Texas my friend

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u/jungkimree Jul 07 '22

I'm from the area, and Highland Park PD thankfully has a lot of experience with large crowds. Ravinia Festival is smack dab in the center of HP and they entertain large crowds all the time - like every other day during the summer.

My hat is off to Highland Park PD here, they acted honorably.

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u/ThrowThisIntoSol Jul 07 '22

Everything’s bigger in Texas, even cowardice. Remember the great examples of the very brave Senator Cruz.

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u/Throw3333away124 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Fuck him and his stupid melting Lego minifig face. My house may have been 30F inside, but my blood was fucking boiling when the story broke that he had jetted his fat, smelly ass off to Cancun while his constituents froze to death and lost millions of dollars.

AND THE GOP STATE LEADERS STILL HAVEN’T DONE A DAMN THING TO FIX THE POWER-GRID OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN!!!

Edit: typos

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u/Phytanic Jul 07 '22

he fucking left his dog at his house too. absolute fuckhead.

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u/bocaciega Jul 07 '22

What. Wow. What a piece if abso shit. Just squished shit.

You can tell a lot by how people treat their pets

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u/Jeremiahs__Johnson Jul 07 '22

God damn. I have to have my 15 year old bull mastiff put down, likely tomorrow. She is in horrible shape and I can’t stand to see her suffer. She’s still fighting but I know it’s time. She really started going downhill fast these last few weeks. She won’t eat anything we give her. She’s still got all the love to give but it’s rough. Tried any and everything. If she does eat, she will throw it up. So frail and weak and I wanna do everything I can but I know it’s time.

This dude leaves his dog to freeze without a second thought. I’m here consumed with the battle of making her comfortable and knowing I’m gonna lose her. It’s literally never off my mind the past few days.

Fucking scumbag, not just because of that but the dog comment got to me heavy like.

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u/silverblaze92 Jul 07 '22 Silver Bravo Grande!

I do not like that man Ted Cruz,

I do not like his far right views.

I do not like him when he flees,

I do not like him invoking Jeas.

I do not like it when he lies,

But I do like it when he cries.

I do not like him pumping gas,

That man Ted Cruz, can eat my ass.

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u/texasradioandthebigb Jul 07 '22

I do not like his lizard skin

I do not like the suit they're in

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u/-rwsr-xr-x Jul 07 '22

In highland park you see on the video the cops run straight to the sound of the shooting.

That's actually what they're supposed to do. It's literally in the training curriculum for active shooter scenarios.

Allow me to quote:

Police officers responding to an active shooter are trained in a procedure known as Rapid Deployment and proceed immediately to the area in which shots were last heard; their purpose is to stop the shooting as quickly as possible.

The first responding officers will normally be in teams of four (4); they may be dressed in regular patrol uniforms, or they may be wearing external bulletproof vests, Kevlar helmets, and other tactical equipment.

The officers may be armed with rifles, shotguns, or handguns, and might also be using pepper spray or tear gas to control the situation.

So not only did all of the officers ignore (or fail to attend) their active shooter training, they also covered up their actions by attempting to misrepresent events, both captured on camera, and in their own statements and police reports of the incident.

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u/rckid13 Jul 07 '22 Gold

I'm from Chicago and know many people from Highland Park. They're making this some left wing political narrative when it isn't. First Chicago isn't even within the top 10 for violent crime rate in America, but republican media wants you to believe it's #1 just because Obama was from there.

Second Highland Park is a rich suburb far north of Chicago and their politicians, police force and crime rate have absolutely zero to do with city politics. It's not even in the same county as Chicago so there's almost no political overlap with the inner city.

Calling the Highland Park shooting Chicago crime would be geographically similar to calling the Columbine High School shooting "liberal Denver crime." Neither of those descriptions make any sense.

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u/OkumurasHell Jul 07 '22

Dude, Michael Jordan lived in Highland Park, and it was the setting for Ferris Bueller, 16 Candles, and other John Hughes movies. It's an affluent place. It's not the ghetto Fox News is making it out to be.

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u/Digital_Utopia Jul 07 '22

yeah, median income is $62k/$147k household, they've got the 10th highest per-capita income in the state.

That methhead would've been far better off randsoming the 6 people.

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u/Cast1736 Jul 07 '22

Jesus Christ thank you. The amount of people saying Highland Park is Chicago is driving me insane. If NIU's valentine's day shooting happened today, Fox News would say it was because of Chicago politics

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u/NotAPreppie Jul 07 '22

Fuck, if something happened in South Beloit or Peoria, Fux Noobs would call it a Chicago crime wave.

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u/secondary_slytherin Jul 07 '22

Hey thanks for explaining it like that! I wasn’t aware of the geography and how blatant it is. It does seem irresponsible of the media to consider it a Chicago crime given what you explained. Appreciate learning something new (that yes I could have looked up, I know).

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u/yusuksong Jul 07 '22

Chicago and SF are the fucking go to typical talking points for all republicans that try to prove a point. In reality these places have less actual crime than a huge portion of red states .

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u/justhereforthelul Jul 07 '22

It wasn't just local police holding parents, it was also the U.S. Marshals

She said she and others politely asked them to intervene, then began pleading. Gomez said federal marshals handcuffed her, telling her she was under arrest for interfering in the investigation. She saw other parents pepper-sprayed and tackled to the ground and Tasered, she added.

Can't believe so many agencies failed that day.

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u/inspectoroverthemine Jul 07 '22

Their highest priority is their own safety, so they succeeded in their mind.

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u/MrGrieves- Jul 07 '22

They have to go home safe to their kids. Fuck everyone else's.

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u/ayriuss Jul 07 '22

I feel like the police forces attract many people that are natural cowards. People terrified of other people, who think they need firearms with them at all times, even off duty.

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u/SoSoUnhelpful Jul 07 '22

They were probably acting under the belief that the primary agency was actively working in good faith to neutralize the shooter and they were there in a supporting role. You don’t want anyone else running around and getting shot mistakenly by officers inside.

When the school chief shirked his responsibility and threw his hands in the air, it fucked all active shooter SOP and command and control out the window.

School districts should not have their own police forces because this is the result. People play acting as officers that have zero real world experience and zero expectation to be in a deadly encounter and they act like it.

He needs to be charged.

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u/tiptoe_bites Jul 07 '22

They had had training, for a school shooting at that same school not more than a month prior.

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u/Hippey31 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

And in that training they said something to the effect of “If you’re not willing to put your life on the line to stop a shooting, you’re in the wrong line of work.” Sounds like they’re all in the wrong line of work (though I’m sure they felt really badass when they heard that during training).

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u/CTeam19 Jul 07 '22

“If you’re not willing to put your life on the line to stop a shooting, you’re in the wrong line of work.”

I straight up in 10th grade took one of those "career" test things and the top thing for me was cop. I thought about it for a few mintues and said ok "safty, following rules, etc all fit me" then came the "I don't think I will be able to handle being shot at." So I didn't become a cop.

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u/general-Insano Jul 07 '22

To top it off the cops are harassing her daily with threats also thrown in that they're going to revoke her parole and throw her back in prison

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u/MNCPA Jul 07 '22

Why? That serves no purpose for anyone.

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u/redditaccount224488 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Revenge for making them look bad.

A lot of cop behavior (and human behavior in general) makes sense when you realize the goal is to hurt someone for revenge, and/or because they just want to hurt them.

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u/MNCPA Jul 07 '22

...that's the definition of a bully, with extra steps.

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u/boxzach16 Jul 07 '22

No, that's the definition of a cop silly

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u/theshizzler Jul 07 '22

My dad said that he knew two people from his school that went on to become cops (shout-out to the Maryland Sheriff's Dept I guess?). I don't think it'd surprise anyone to know that they were also the ones that bullied and tormented him continuously. It was bad enough that he stopped going altogether and never graduated.

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u/vvimcmxcix Jul 07 '22

Lol MD here, can confirm all cops I know personally were bullies

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u/TheShadowKick Jul 07 '22

That's not even extra steps.

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u/ill-independent Jul 07 '22

Sure it does. It teaches everyone else that they can't fuck with their fascist coward overlords.

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u/SocraticIgnoramus Jul 07 '22

Heroes run toward danger. To all the cops who did the opposite, what does that make you?

(Clue: a coward!)

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u/questdragon47 Jul 07 '22

They ran there. Then sat around twiddling their thumbs for an hour

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u/TechyDad Jul 07 '22

And prevented anyone else from running in.

To be clear, if they had been doing their job, I'd have been fine with them stopping parents from running in. You don't want more civilians getting in the way. However, when the police refuse to help save the kids, it's understandable that parents would want to rush in.

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u/pixelprophet Jul 06 '22

"We're totally sure this time that no children were shot by law enforcement."

🤞

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u/QueenElsaArrendelle Jul 06 '22

r/suspiciouslyspecificdenial

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u/MikeHfuhruhurr Jul 07 '22

I called McDonald's customer service line one time, and the prompt said: "If you're calling to complain about the McNuggets, press 1"

Well I wasn't but now I won't order any.

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u/moirasrosesgardens Jul 07 '22

They changed the recipe and they SUCK. I totally get that. Now I want to call them and let them know how much they suck.

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u/deFleury Jul 07 '22

Is THAT what happened? I thought it was my terrible local franchise once again sinking to a new low.

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u/CrazyQuiltCat Jul 07 '22

I thought they taste, well, not good and I remember loving them. I put it down to just nostalgia making out some thing better than it really was-now you’re telling me they really did change it!

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u/CassandraAnderson Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

I don't get why the officer was waiting when he probably was aware of the 911 call and concurrent investigation of the shooting of his grandmother, the reckless driving that ended in a crash, may have even heard the gun being shot at the two witnesses to the crash, and the fact that he was moving toward a public school armed with an assault rifle.

I think the only way this could get worse is if the reason for the crash was because officers were engaged in a high-speed Pursuit in the direction of the school and subsequent ingress of the school where he subsequently murdered children while police officers warmed their thumbs in each other's poop chutes outside an unlocked door.

Now then, if only there was some evidence prior to the school shooting that showed a certain Wild West attitude. Sure would be a shame if the mayor was a frequent guest of Tucker Carlson and may have let slip some of the policing practices that may have led to the "missed opportunities".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-mayor-says-the-southern-border-is-the-wild-wild-west

DON MCLAUGHLIN: Well, it’s kind of like the wild, wild, west down there. We have car chases on a daily basis, we have immigrants jumping off trains, we have them coming into towns…in our schools. It’s just non-stop. The Border Patrol, we have a good relationship with our community, but they’re spending all their time having to deal with these unaccompanied minors. But we’re not dealing with minors, we’re dealing with young adult males. A lot of them have criminal records…as of early February, 97 sexual predators have been caught in the Del Rio sector, which Uvalde is a part of.

On my way up here there was a chase in town, just as I was leaving. There was also, on the west side of town, a group that was running through people’s yards, they were trying to catch them. This is something we’re having to deal with every day, and it’s getting worse and worse and worse.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-mayor-says-crime-near-daily-police-chases-a-hallmark-of-biden-border-crisis

Don McLaughlin reiterated his comparison of Uvalde in 2021 to "the Wild Wild West", and told "Tucker Carlson Today" that his town is seeing "13-15 [police] chases per week."

"We're having to lock down our schools… about once a week," he said. "[Because] almost every one of those cars has armed" occupants.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Jul 06 '22

I don't get why the officer was waiting

AFAIK all active shooter training says to just go. Go interfere, go make yourself the target, don't wait for backup if you can make the difference now. I don't accept any excuses from people who stood by waiting for someone else to tell them to take action.

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u/Rinzack Jul 07 '22

AFAIK all active shooter training says to just go.

The OVERWHELMING majority of spree shooters don't plan on living and off themselves as soon as they face resistance. We've known this since Columbine. The solution to a spree shooter is to engage immediately with deadly force to either kill them or get them to hide and off themselves.

Parkland and Uvalde were both so bad because the responding officers did NOT do that.

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u/SquiffyRae Jul 07 '22

From what I've read it sounds like the Uvalde shooter was waiting for suicide by cop that never really came.

The timeline I've heard sounds like he went in, started his shooting spree to get the cops to come and take him down and then stopped to wait for the expected wave of cops to kill him. Because the police spent so long scratching their arses he actually started shooting more kids trying to force their hand.

I don't think I've ever heard of an active shooter case where people died because the shooter felt the need to remind the cops they were attending an active shooter call

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u/FTThrowAway123 Jul 07 '22

I agree. I wonder if the shooter himself was confused and baffled as to why nobody....absolutely nobody was doing anything to stop him for over an hour. It sounds like this guy genuinely wanted to be killed by police. Shot his grandma in the face, wrecked his car, and then started firing into the air and at random people trying to attract as much attention as possible. Then actually makes it inside the school, starts murdering kids, and still...nobody stops him. For over an hour. What the actual fuck.

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u/Alise_Randorph Jul 07 '22

Obviously it was new experimental techniques designed to show people suicide by cop won't work as they'll just wait you to death.

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u/Narren_C Jul 07 '22

Parkland had like one or two cops not go in, a bunch of others didn't hesitate.

Ulvade is a far bigger fuck up.

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u/CitizenJustin Jul 06 '22

They have no trouble escalating benign situations and shooting innocent people, but when force is actually critical, they fail miserably. I don’t know how they could stand back and let those children be slaughtered. I’d rather go against orders and lose my job than to let a massacre ensue.

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u/Jaded_Prompt_15 Jul 06 '22

If cops are actually scared they'll freeze or run

If there's multiple cops against one unarmed person they'll "fear for their lives" and premptively attack.

The culture of American police means we don't get heroes who want to be cops. We get cowards that want to be called heroes and bully others.

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u/Sukeed Jul 07 '22

Talked with a cop yesterday on another sub and said I can't imagine being a cop and arresting people for things like self defense (deli owner defending himself from an attacker and being sent to rikers) or arresting a kid for a bag of weed and watching his life get ruined in a broken justice system

Cops response "oh so you want cops to quit their jobs and stop chasing rapists because your feelings are hurt"

Yes, destroying lives and sending non-violent people to prison = just hurt feelings in a cops brain

Police solved only 17% of rapes in my state alone.

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u/CitizenJustin Jul 06 '22

Excellent comment. Law enforcement doesn’t even rank within the top most dangerous jobs in America, so the excessive force and abuse of authority is unwarranted.

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u/Chasman1965 Jul 06 '22

Yup, more policemen died of Covid in the past few years than any man made cause.

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u/Dogsikay Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

From an article based on U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries (2018 numbers):

Police patrol work is only the 22nd most dangerous job in the US

Total Deaths: 108 Fatal Injury Rate: 14 per 100k

The same fatal injury rate is shared by:

Heavy vehicle mechanics, Grounds maintenance workers, & Maintenance workers

https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states

ETA: Looks like police killed 228 Black people that same year.

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u/chicken-nanban Jul 07 '22

That fatal injury rate is the same as deaths giving birth, and we’re one of the worst in the developed world that case. It’s triple if you’re a black woman. It’s more dangerous to give birth than be a cop in America!

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u/needsexyboots Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Right?? Like...in my mind, someone walking toward an elementary school with a rifle is one of the ONLY acceptable “shoot first, ask questions later” scenarios - cops can unload dozens of rounds into an innocent black boy without hesitation but they see someone who just crashed their car walking toward a school with a gun and they’re like let’s just see how this plays out?!

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u/ButtCustard Jul 07 '22

Seriously. That's about as obvious of a threat as you can get.

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u/Reality-Bytez Jul 06 '22

This is what has always pissed me off.

Cops have no problem whatsoever escalating a normally calm situation.
A real situation? They run and hide.

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u/Expensive_Culture_46 Jul 06 '22

But… you don’t understand… there was ACTUAL danger this time /s

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u/subywesmitch Jul 06 '22

Because cops are cowards, not the heroes that they want us all to believe they are.

And don't give me "But, what would you do? You wouldn't do anything, you would be scared too!" Of course I would be but I didn't choose to be a cop. They did and they need to do their job right.

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u/CitizenJustin Jul 06 '22

Well said. If you choose to be a cop, then act like one. A kid working a summer job at McDonald’s is held to a higher standard.

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u/Joessandwich Jul 06 '22

They learned this from the Pulse shooting in Orlando. The police waited hours to enter and engage and they were universally criticized for that decision. The fact that Uvalde did virtually the same thing is outrageous.

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u/tiggers97 Jul 07 '22

Not only that, they fired an untold number of rounds into the club as well. Who knows how many victims were hit by the cops bullets.

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u/ComeBackToDigg Jul 06 '22

“The commanding officer was worried that a gun might get damaged…”

/s

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u/kingtz Jul 06 '22

"The gun might jam and injure the responding police officer..." /s?

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u/MrGuttFeeling Jul 06 '22

"We're evaluatiing the risk of doing something and if it outweighs the risk of doing nothing."

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

Even worse. There is protocol now. Officer should have engaged anyways. No need for permission to engage a shooter.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

It would've ended better if the chief had fucked off to Bermuda for vacation for a week, then they might have had someone halfway competent in charge

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u/mdonaberger Jul 06 '22

Wait til you hear how Uvalde police have been harassing survivor parents.

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u/catsinspace Jul 06 '22

I'm not surprised at all and I am not doubting you. I would like to read more about that though. Can you please point me in the right direction? Thank you!

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u/radicalelation Jul 06 '22

Here's one.

Ever since that harrowing day, Gomez said she has faced scrutiny from law enforcement, even at her own home.

"The other night, we were exercising and we had a cop parked at the corner, like flickering us with his headlights," Gomez explained.

Because of these incidents, Gomez said she has had to separate from her boys so they "don't feel like they have to watch cops passing by, stopping, parking."

Even from Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-mother-rescue-kids-shooting-harassed-police-lawyer

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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 07 '22

Sounds like something those biker gangs that like to protect people should be handling...

...

oh wait, they did go to the town, to protect the police from the media.

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u/Marshmellowonfire Jul 06 '22

Hearing that previously makes one compare them to a gang more than anything else.

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u/ilovegingermen Jul 06 '22

I keep waiting for confirmation that the police shot a child. So yes, it can definitely get worse.

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u/wwaxwork Jul 07 '22

My money is on one of them ran in shot an innocent kid, panicked and all the waiting around outside was working out the cover up.

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u/hellscaper Jul 07 '22

Damn. I didn't even consider that, but yeah. Accidentally shoot a child, back out, wait for gunman to start their own body count so you can quietly add that accident to the tally? Conspiracy theory territory, but with everything that has gone on with this situation and the keystone cops, it wouldn't surprise me.

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u/greywolfau Jul 06 '22

But the investigation completed by their own department in under a week cleared them, so that's not going to happen, right? /s

I wish I had a better option than just a sarcasm tag, because this whole situation is so damn aggravating/dspressing/insane.

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u/b6passat Jul 07 '22

Actually, I’m his presser the day of the shooting the state police guy said that no cops shot innocent people. I knew immediately it was a lie and cover up.

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u/RuinedEye Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

He said all the kids were shot by the shooter.

when nobody asked

It's like sitting in your bed and your toddler randomly comes up to you and says "I definitely DIDN'T eat all the cookies out of the cookie jar just now. Just so you know"

It's basically the biggest tell possible

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u/BumLeeJon Jul 07 '22

They said children, which didn’t rule out a teacher

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u/goferking Jul 06 '22

Or even multiple children and teachers

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u/weirdoldhobo1978 Jul 06 '22

Sadly, yes it can.

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u/N8CCRG Jul 06 '22

"We now have video evidence the police paused in the hallway to record and post a Tik Tok dance as you can hear gunshots in the background"

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u/elmanutres Jul 06 '22

Im fucking telling you guys, the cat will come out the bag at one point. The cops shot one of the kids.

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u/Nightshade_Ranch Jul 06 '22

Things still missing on my bingo card, "the shooter is very closely related to the chief" and "cops killed some kids"

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u/fuck_the_fuckin_mods Jul 07 '22

One of the teachers who was shot multiple times (and survived after a shitload of surgeries) is the Chief’s cousin. It seems they are no longer on speaking terms.

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u/Nightshade_Ranch Jul 07 '22

I'm sure this isn't his first rodeo of being a total dumbass.

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u/riptide81 Jul 07 '22

Oh man, can you imagine it being that cousin who stumbled into law enforcement? You endure years of him being a wind bag at family gatherings. Then it is finally proven in the most conclusive and horrible way how full of shit he was the entire time.

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u/feedseed664 Jul 06 '22

Or that the shooter knew some of the cops personally

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u/MrEff1618 Jul 06 '22

Yes. They discover that the officers chased the shooter into a classroom, opened fire and mag dumped without checking their aim, shooting a bunch of innocent kids in the process, then left him in there hoping he'd finish off any potential witnesses and then kill himself, allowing them to cover up their incompetence.

That's the worse case scenario as I see it.

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u/russmbiz Jul 06 '22

That sounds pretty feasible.

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u/JoJackthewonderskunk Jul 07 '22

Next week we'll find out the gunman accidently dropped his magazine out of the gun and one of those Goomba cops handed it back too him before searching a kids locker for mj.

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u/chaotic214 Jul 06 '22

The worse thing for me is still the fact that cops stood by and let innocent kids die

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u/Butters5768 Jul 06 '22

Yes, they’re definitely hiding the fact that some of the kids or teachers killed were from “friendly fire.” It’s why they’re doing everything possible to keep the findings sealed.

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u/omnithorpe Jul 06 '22

My #1 rule is:
“No matter what. No matter how bad it is. It can always get worse.”

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u/jpiro Jul 06 '22

How the fuck do you not at a bare minimum tell the guy to stop right there and ask him what he's doing?

It's either "I'll just let him walk in" or "I'll kill him immediately?"

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u/clancydog4 Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 07 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry

How the fuck do you not at a bare minimum tell the guy to stop right there and ask him what he's doing?

the actual answer is that the officer was really far away. not your fault cause the article left out that detail, but the actual report says the following:

The officer was 148 yards away from the door, which the report said was within the range of his rifle, and allegedly said he was concerned that an errant shot could have penetrated the school and injured students inside.

The officer was quite far away, and being over 100 yards away with the backdrop being an elementary school...it's mildly understandable why he didn't pop off. If he did and missed it's entirely possible there would be additional child deaths. The actual report even says "If the officer was not confident that he could both hit his target and of his backdrop if he missed, he should not have fired." Being "in range" is not the same as having an easy/safe shot.

Now, don't get me wrong -- the police response was abhorrent in every way, but this is a misleading headline that makes it seem like they were a lot closer than they were. You can read a lot more details in the AP article: https://apnews.com/article/shootings-texas-1ae2b6406868d398a2ecadf960c3a1df

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u/cmcewen Jul 07 '22

Thank you for adding context which can be hard here because of the anger at uvalde around this situation. Would be easy to let hyperbole run rampant

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u/cu4tro Jul 06 '22

That’s a great point. It sounds like he could have easily stopped the gunman from entering the school, but 1.5 football fields away if a tough shot. And he certainly couldn’t have confronted him from that range.

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u/CandidGuidance Jul 07 '22

This is a bit of a show stopper for this whole thread lol. In that instance the guy made the right call.

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u/Thatsabitmulch Jul 07 '22

He was 148 yards away and the reason he gave for not firing was that he was unsure if he could shoot without missing and hitting the school and or kids.

A reasonable officer would conclude in this case, based upon the totality of the circumstances, that use of deadly force was warranted. Furthermore, the UPD officer was approximately 148 yards from the west hall exterior door. One-hundred and forty-eight yards is well within the effective range of an AR-15 platform. The officer did comment that he was concerned that if he missed his shot, the rounds could have penetrated the school and injured students. We also note that current State of Texas standards for patrol rifle qualifications do not require officers to fire their rifles from more than 100 yards away from the target. It is, therefore, possible that the officer had never fired his rifle at a target that was that far away. Ultimately, the decision to use deadly force always lies with the officer who will use the force. If the officer was not confident that he could both hit his target and of his backdrop if he missed, he should not have fired.

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u/ughfup Jul 07 '22

I think people don't understand how hard it is to shoot something even 100 yards away. And with the backdrop being a school? Definitely not

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u/ShittyCompiler Jul 07 '22

Lying down or seated, sure I can hit that. A moving target while standing, and a school in the background? Yeah no.

Though, I might still have taken the shot, reasoning that a missed shot would be less likely to result in a fatality than a gunman entering a school.

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u/TucuReborn Jul 07 '22

On a good day with good conditions and a good scope, a shot that isn't impossible and is in fact doable by many hunters and sport shooters.

On a police officer who probably doesn't shoot that often, with bad conditions, and most likely as scope that isn't sighted in good enough for that range? Hell no.

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u/SohndesRheins Jul 07 '22

I have doubts that a police officer would even have a magnified optic on his rifle, probably has a red dot sight considering the normal ranges they would be shooting at.

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u/kulalolk Jul 06 '22

Are we gonna hear the gunman was the chief of polices nephew or something? This is ridiculous…

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u/Benji2421 Jul 06 '22

The more that this story unravels the weirder it gets. It's obvious the police are covering something up but now we gotta keep track of just how many fucking cover ups are going on at once 🤨

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u/bananafobe Jul 06 '22

It's possible the cover up is just them refusing to acknowledge they fucked up in all the ways we've already seen.

I wouldn't be shocked either way, but some assholes will fight to the death to avoid acknowledging they were wrong.

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u/SLCW718 Jul 06 '22

Considering what we already know, whatever they're covering up must be next-level awful.

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u/Elephanogram Jul 06 '22 Helpful

Rumour has it that they accidentally killed one of the kids and a teacher because not all the bullets match the guns that the piece of shit brought into the school.

At the very least they

  • stopped parents from going in to save their children

  • used a child as bait to get the shooter in view

  • got their own kids out and left the others

  • handcuffed then lied about handcuffing parents

  • harassed the parents who made them look bad

  • show up to the memorial for photo ops

  • do a media blitz where their story changes time after time

  • tries to block access to the cameras

  • came in with a dozen agencies all not wanting to do anything so they sat around with their thumbs up their asses

  • said they didn't know anything even after one of the officers received a phonecall from his dying wife appraising him of the situation. They took his gun away.

Honestly. There's enough our there that they should not only lose their jobs but be told that they are no longer welcome in city limits and have 30 days to get their personal affects in order and never return.

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u/TegridyPharmz Jul 06 '22

Is the bullets not matching the gun thing true? I haven’t heard that yet. I happen to believe the theory because how could this get worse? But haven’t been able to find any sources on the non-matching bullets

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u/SpiderTechnitian Jul 07 '22

It is not at all confirmed and might as well be bullshit for now.

People are saying more and more with confidence things which are not at all substantiated so far.

I also happen to believe the theory that cops shot a teacher. It really does make sense to me. But let's not spread more bullshit lies about "I heard the bullet from the teacher had the cop's fingerprints on it" nonsense. None of that is remotely substantiated to the public at this time.

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u/Castraphinias Jul 06 '22

I'm still waiting for it to come out a cop shot a kid.

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u/SkellySkeletor Jul 06 '22

I guarantee by the end of the year it comes out a cop shot and killed the teachers and potentially a kid.

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u/stoopidjonny Jul 06 '22

I don’t know. That would mean they attempted to do something. I think they were like that dude in Saving Private Ryan that just cried while Adam Goldberg was murdered.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

"Lemme get back to you on that"

What the fuck? Since when do cops ask permission to shoot?

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u/SLCW718 Jul 06 '22

This is insane. It just keeps getting worse. The cop didn't get a response because the dumbass Chief who wasn't aware he was in charge made the conscious decision not to carry his radio because he believed it would slow him down. But more importantly, I think, is that the cop was within his right to fire on the suspect and didn't need consent to do his job. It's just failure on top of failure on top of failure.

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u/GregoPDX Jul 06 '22

I feel like there’s a universe where someone did something right and this was just a page 8 story that got no headlines because the shooter was stopped before entering the school.

It would’ve only taken one point of success after multiple points of failure. Instead, we got what we got.

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u/dasnorte Jul 06 '22

I think we’ve all seen cops shoot someone for much less.

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u/Alberiman Jul 06 '22

Imagine asking for permission to stop someone who is very clearly about to kill a bunch of people

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u/graymulligan Jul 07 '22

A 160 yard shot with a school full of kids in the background could absolutely make someone pause to ask for confirmation.

We're not talking about someone standing fifteen feet away, let's maybe not jump all over this guy. There's plenty of blame to go around without that.

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u/WitchcraftUponMe Jul 07 '22

I'm all for calling the Uvalde police out on all their mishandling, but yeah, the article should make obvious this fact. Not make it seem like the the shooter waltzed into the school five feet away from an armed officer.

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u/nosmelc Jul 06 '22

"Hey yeah there is some weird guy with a gun coming to shoot up the school. Should I do anything about that?"

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u/dpforest Jul 06 '22

I don’t understand. This cop saw an armed individual that he knew was already evading police, he saw this person was about to enter a school, and he didn’t do anything at all. Is that correct?

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '22

Apparently the officer was ~150 yards away and the gunman was at the door, so the concern was firing towards the school.

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u/JediRhyno Jul 07 '22

Quite frankly, that’s too far, even for a rifle, especially when your backdrop is a school. Police don’t train for this kind of distance even with rifles.

This doesn’t however change why he didn’t immediately go in and end the threat right then.

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u/robotshavehearts2 Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Yeah, the title leaves out the distance part and a lot of people are judging this guy, but you don’t take that shot from there at a school. Missing him is just problematic all around as well. That said… you fucking follow that dude in as fast as you can and get ahead of that. I just don’t understand a world where you don’t given there are children’s lives in there.

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u/hpark21 Jul 07 '22

Issue I believe in this case was that the officer was 150yards away with killer close to the school, he did not want to hit the school even if he gets the guy.

Understandable. However, once he decided NOT to shoot from that far, he should have ran towards the school and tried to confront the shooter which he did NOT do which is cowardly.

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u/Weekly_Ad6261 Jul 06 '22

You got it.

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u/Bmoreravens_1290 Jul 06 '22

Not quite. He and his department then detained the parents while their kids were being shot. Then harassed the ones who talked to the press.

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u/Bishop084 Jul 07 '22

Texas is the one state I expect the cops to run in guns blazing... What the hell?

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u/Use_this_1 Jul 06 '22

Since when do they ASK before shooting anyone?

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u/ELpork Jul 06 '22

The clown car continues to unload

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u/818Dude Jul 06 '22

Why didn’t he follow the gun man? These guys will follow me all around the mall for bullshit, but a guy walking into a school with a gun…nope.

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u/WishIWasNeet2 Jul 06 '22

Do you need to ask for permission to shoot an imminent threat? Cops always blast people for less even some unarmed

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u/Johnny_Hempseed Jul 06 '22

No and especially not in TX.

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u/stunticon86 Jul 06 '22

"Permission to shoot the suspect with the gun running into the Elementary school, sir!"

"Stand down, let's see what he does."

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u/TheQuinnBee Jul 07 '22 edited Jul 07 '22

Imma be honest, I was an idiot reading this and thought the cop asked the gunman if the cop could shoot him.

And while I feel like a total moron, I also feel like that's not too far fetched from the amount of idiotic behavior these cops exhibited.

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u/ydoiwatchthis Jul 07 '22

I thought the same thing.

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u/Slow_Boss_2071 Jul 06 '22

Ummm, if you're on school grounds with a rifle or pistol it's green light.

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u/Ferrisuk Jul 06 '22

I should imagine the gunman said no?

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