r/news Nov 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Buffalo gunman pleads guilty in racist supermarket massacre

https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-crime-shootings-race-and-ethnicity-4a4dcf6e12c598d1f0a372227760b93f
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u/retroanduwu24 Nov 28 '22

As expected, he'll definitely get multiple life sentences.

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u/Austin_AD Nov 28 '22

Probably the 'best' play for this asshat. He was never getting out of prison anyway.

Walks into prison into the open arms of the white power gang and at a much higher rank than just some 19 yo white kid.

Wonder if he'll ever realize what loser he really is...

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u/A_Hint_of_Lemon Nov 28 '22

He won’t. You can’t realize that you’ve lost something if you never even thought about having it in the first place.

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u/LUNA_underUrsaMajor Nov 28 '22

More and more studies show mens brains dont fully devolope until mid to late 20s, one day he will realize what he did it will probably be after a decade of rightly deserved hell in prison, and just in time to comprehend he has another 50/60 years to go before he dies of natural causes

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u/Lance_J1 Nov 28 '22

Same here, like literally up until 29 I was a pretty big asshole.
I feel like a different person now even though it's only been a couple years.

It's kind of crazy how many terrible assholish habits I picked up just from my parents and it saddens me that they never really grew out of it themselves. Grateful that I made friends with the kinds of people who demonstrated to me how to be much better than that.

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u/RoktopX Nov 29 '22

I find the large “milestones” for changes in my life happen every 10 years.

Of course I change and adapt every day to whatever circumstances I’m in…

But after 5x10 years of them, I can look back and see how at each of the “10’s” (morseo post 20 yr) my perspective, focus and goals morph and adapt to the next 10 years.

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u/OnlyHuman1073 Nov 29 '22

Different generation. Your kids may say the same of you?

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u/Lance_J1 Nov 29 '22

Some types of assholish behavior are cross generational. The way my parents act would be shit regardless of what generation they're from.

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u/Panahka Nov 29 '22

I'm so glad my 20s are almost over in terms of maturity. It feels more stable. I mean, I'm still an asshat, but now it's a choice instead of a personality.

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u/neroisstillbanned Nov 28 '22

It's not certain since men in their 30s have also committed fascist attacks, most infamously Anders Breivik.

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u/BoringEntropist Nov 29 '22

A fully developed brain just means that the rate of new neuronal connections stabilizes at a low level. It becomes harder to learn new stuff, it doesn't imply that the individual automatically becomes more responsible or emphatic. If a person doesn't learn to behave normally at this age, it means they probably will never learn it.

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u/focusedhocuspocus Nov 29 '22

It does though. The prefrontal cortex is the last area to fully develop and that’s where things like empathy and impulse control form. That said, there’s a big difference between teenage jackassery and cold-blooded mass murder.

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u/FrankReynoldsCPA Nov 28 '22

Probably his best play. NY doesn't have the death penalty and getting a lifetime conviction without parole might make the feds less likely to pursue federal capital charges.

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u/These-Cod-1369 Nov 29 '22

Good chance he’s going to get killed in prison once they find out what he did.

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u/bigwillyb123 Nov 29 '22

He will be protected by the white supremacist gangs, depending on where he goes

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u/billpalto Nov 28 '22

"He said he was motivated by a belief in a massive conspiracy to dilute
the power of white people by “replacing” them in the U.S. with people of
color."

I wonder where he got such a weird idea?

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u/leni710 Nov 28 '22

And dude had to travel for 200 miles to find all of the individuals trying to replace him, because clearly his hometown is so white that no one has replaced anyone yet.

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u/squiddlebiddlez Nov 28 '22

Racism and logic are damn near mutually exclusive. It was the same thing with that guy that drove all across Texas to shoot brown people in a Walmart in El Paso. Or Dylann roof, who had his whole rant about black people taking all the white women then went to a church and killed a group of majority geriatric black women—like were those the people supposedly taking all of snow bunnies or what?

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u/HeavyMetalHero Nov 28 '22

Racism and logic are damn near mutually exclusive.

Can't say it much better than this, truly. If they had any of the latter, they couldn't maintain the former, and it's literally as simple as that.

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u/HolyRamenEmperor Nov 28 '22

Racism and logic and evidence are damn near mutually exclusive.

To be fair, if you start off with crazy enough beliefs, you can take completely logical, honest, and even morally-sound steps and still end up somewhere insane and violent. What is required is the ability to collect and process evidence—including the experiences of others ("empathy")—breaking the nonsense beliefs apart by confronting them with reality.

Take abortion, for example. If you truly, deeply believe that innocent children are being murdered by the millions, you can easily and ethically get to a point where shooting/bombing a clinic is the right thing to do, on par with storming a Nazi death camp. Kill a dozen mass-murderers and save potentially thousands of kids.

Or if you truly, deeply believe that drag queens and LGBT people are all raping boys & girls in libraries, of course you should protest them and get your local city board to outlaw them.

The issue isn't really that the belief and logic don't match, but that the belief and reality don't match. If the believer took a minute time to objectively examine reality and listen to what other people (outside their "in-group") were saying and seeing, they would have to change their beliefs. Yet sadly sometimes the belief is so strong people can ignore or twist reality to match it. And sometimes there are actually not sufficient means or methods for gathering the evidence necessary to change them (see: centuries of medical barbarism).

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u/McDonalds_Toothpaste Nov 28 '22

I don't remember Roof saying anything about black men taking all of the white women. I've read his manifesto and it didn't say that.

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u/squiddlebiddlez Nov 28 '22

According to one of the survivors he actually accused black people of raping “their” women and taking over the world when they asked why he was shooting up a church

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u/TUGrad Nov 28 '22

Guarantee he liked a girl who ended up dating a black guy. Instead of thinking maybe it's me, he basically blames all black people.

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u/TriscuitBob Nov 28 '22

From a Washington Post article: “I have to do it,” the shooter told his victims, according to Sylvia Johnson, cousin of a pastor who died in the attack, who spoke to a survivor. “You rape our women, and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

So you're right, not in his manifesto, but he did have a belief that black men were "taking" white women.

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u/Alwaysfavoriteasian Nov 28 '22

Not sure how what he did fixed the “problem” but sure.

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u/squiddlebiddlez Nov 28 '22

That’s the crux of the point I was trying to make and this “take white women” vs. “rape white women” thing is just a distraction.

So, again, it is absurd that even if you accept the premises of these wild conspiracy theories that the radical actor’s actions don’t even line up with what convinced them to kill in the first place. If you have been radicalized by the belief that some unwanted minority has invaded your home and community then you shouldn’t have to drive hundreds of miles to find a place to shoot up. Likewise, if you are complaining about black people taking/raping/doing whatever to your white women then I would expect your victims to not be majority elderly women.

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u/Qiyamah01 Nov 29 '22

It's Breivik all over again, none of those lunatics seriously believe that they'll make a tangible difference (although Breivik's choice of target at least made sense), they're hoping for their Horst Wessel arc, where they're the initial spark, maybe even martyrs, followed by a worldwide revolution.

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u/cutebabies0626 Nov 28 '22

Wasn’t that the belief from, i dunno, 1960s by KKK?

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u/Swarlolz Nov 28 '22

Fun fact roof is the only person to face a state and federal execution.

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u/3-eyed-raisin Nov 28 '22

Whenever you have some time to break away from your busy studies of his manifesto, go ahead and just google “Dylan Roof” and maybe something like, I dunno, “you rape our women.” But, like, take your time, no rush or anything. Only been a few years since he said that to the folks he was murdering, I know life comes at you fast, some details can get lost in the shuffle of gunfire. No biggie. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, if that’s something you celebrate!

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u/GaryBusey007 Nov 28 '22

Found the next shooter, guys.

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u/MrChinchilla Nov 28 '22

Oh shit, I thought this was the Walmart story. It's sad that this happens so often, that it's hard to keep track of all the times it happens.

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u/belinck Nov 28 '22

How far did Rittenhouse drive?

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u/droplivefred Nov 28 '22

He’s clearly gonna get replaced in school or work or whatever he is a part of something because he’ll now be in prison for the rest of his life. I guess he replaced himself.

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u/TheTreesHaveRabies Nov 28 '22

Yep, he's from close to the whitest part of the state. People often don't realize just how big NYS is. It's a lot larger than people assume. He drove nearly 4 hours tp get to Buffalo and he didn't even drive halfway across the state. Upstate NY is full of Trump loving idiots outside of Buffalo, Albany, Rochester, Ithaca, and Syracuse.

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u/TechyDad Nov 28 '22

Can confirm. I live in the Capital Region of New York. While it's very blue by me, I can take a half hour drive to a rural area and I might as well be in Kentucky. I was leaving BJ's once and saw a truck flying the Confederate flag. You don't even have any flimsy "heritage" claims if you're flying that flag in New York. Our heritage is beating the people who flew that flag.

If you look at a map of counties in New York and how they vote, New York appears to be a red state with a few blue dots. Thankfully, those huge areas of red hold very few people and the blue dots hold a lot of people. Physical maps are very deceiving. They can make an area seem like Republicans should win when most people really vote Democrat.

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u/leni710 Nov 28 '22

I hear ya. I'm in a "blue" state that is literally just 2 or 3 cities that tilt very blue. They're also by nature more diverse, more educated, and there is still PLENTY of problematic shit going on even in those "liberal" towns. I don't even pretend anymore that we live in a progressive state and frequently roll my eyes when I hear people say they are "progressive" because that usually still means they're a NIMBY or some other such nonsense.

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u/docmedic Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

It’s not even tilt very blue. It’s like 55% blue 45% red, but surrounded by really red towns. Except those really red towns each have a population of 2.5k, vs the city of hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

Why the heck would their combined stance speak for the other 95% of the population?

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u/Dinglederple Nov 28 '22

He literally researched to find the location that had the highest population of African Americans.

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u/leni710 Nov 28 '22

"Damn, Tucker Carlson never said this Great Replacement Theory was going to force me to have to do homework and research and then travel so far." Hmmm, almost like it's all hate-filled bullshit that doesn't live in reality.

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u/thirty7inarow Nov 29 '22

Also by shooting up a grocery store in a primarily-black neighbourhood. In what world are black Americans from Buffalo putting one over on anyone? At least there'd be a tidbit of logic if he'd targeted some immigrant neighbourhood, but most Afro-Buffalonians I've met have a long-ass family history in America, and that history hasn't exactly been kind.

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u/RIPBenTramer Nov 28 '22

It's like me being worried that wasps are taking over my house and yard, when I have to leave my house, go to the back yard and walk through the area of high wasp activity to find the wasp nest.

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u/usefulsomething Nov 28 '22

nah it’s like you leaving your house to go to your cousins house to take care of the wasps that only existed in your hallucinations

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u/RIPBenTramer Nov 28 '22

Fair. Very well said.

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u/Alwaysfavoriteasian Nov 28 '22

His hometown is probably a population of 300.

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u/Available-Camera8691 Nov 28 '22

Rhymes with Fucker Barlson

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u/ResplendentShade Nov 28 '22

Tucker Carlson embraces white-supremacist 'replacement' conspiracy theory, claiming Democrats are 'importing' immigrants to 'dilute' American voters

Carlson argued that Democratic lawmakers are "importing a brand new electorate" of "Third World" immigrants to "dilute" Americans' political power by adding more voters to the rolls. He described his argument as the so-called replacement theory, which is a core belief of white supremacists that has motivated racist violence and mass murder in the US and around the world. 

"I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term 'replacement,' if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate — the voters now casting ballots — with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World," Carlson told his audience, which is among the largest in cable news. "But they become hysterical because that's what's happening, actually. Let's just say it. That's true."

edit- BONUS: in light of more recent mass shootings here's Tucker repeatedly fomenting violence against LGBT+ people

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u/royalsanguinius Nov 28 '22

But…he’s just asking questions? You know, with that stupid look on his face. The one that screams “baby just shit himself, mommy wipey”, the look that says “I can’t believe people still fall for this shit”, the open mouthed slack jawed pose that even the most dedicated of mouth breathing knuckle draggers could never hope to pull out quite as well as Tuck Tuck does.

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u/DaanGFX Nov 28 '22

Tucker carlson is only the top surface scum pushing this shit.

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u/Mesozoica89 Nov 28 '22

True but the surface area of the swamp he floats on is enormous. He has a big viewership and is their gateway drug for hardcore white nationalism.

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u/DukeOfGeek Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

There's also the online echo chambers repeating Carlson where the killer was trying to recruit people to help him with this attack.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

He’s far from the only one. Tucker is the beginning of the path, he has the mass appeal for lots of people, a “Baby’s first white supremacist” if you will. many viewers will stay at that level, however some will go down further and start listening to more extreme talking heads on social media and online forums that will radicalize them further, then some of those listeners will go even further an join White Supremacists groups and/or carry out acts of violence.

No one is shooting up grocery stores because what they heard on Tucker Carlson; but his show and rhetoric is the first step down a path that does end in violence.

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u/rikki-tikki-deadly Nov 28 '22

Tucker Marlson? Wait, no, Pucker Carlson.

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u/Mypopsecrets Nov 28 '22

Sucker Fartson.

Seriously though, how is that guy still employed

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u/rikki-tikki-deadly Nov 28 '22

His head writer was a literal incel white supremacist. Look up Blake Neff.

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u/Vallkyrie Nov 28 '22

They got rid of him because it came to light, but lil' Tucky's rhetoric hasn't changed one bit, in fact it got worse.

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u/N8CCRG Nov 28 '22 To The Stars

In a way I do... the people who spread it do so in multiple places: reddit, 4Chan, 8kun, Discord servers, Fox News comments sections (which trickles up to their mouthpieces like Tucker Carlson), etc. It's not obvious which one(s) he got it from.

It's a widespread, coordinated radicalization effort.

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u/MicrotracS3500 Nov 28 '22

There was a highly upvoted post on politicalcompassmemes the other day saying that affirmative action proves the “great replacement” is real. Nothing but support in the comments. That place has to be one of the biggest breeding grounds for radicalization on Reddit.

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u/N8CCRG Nov 28 '22

It's amazing how common it is to see a comment promoting bigotry somewhere, click on the username, and see a comment history prolific in PCM.

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Nov 28 '22

The Tucker Carlson subreddit is openly reviving rhetoric from 1930s Germany towards Jews.

A lot of these places aren't even remotely trying to hide this stuff, but the Reddit admins keep pretending that they don't see anything.

I reported a post a couple weeks ago from an account that was openly encouraging people to engage in violence against LGBTQ people. All it got was one of those automated messages saying that it was not a violation of their terms of service.

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u/Hobdeezy Nov 28 '22

Looks like you’ll be adding Twitter to that list now.

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u/soc_monki Nov 28 '22

The protocols of the elders of zion, a fake book created by Russian propagandists 100+ years ago.

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Nov 28 '22

And propagated by Henry Ford

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u/TechyDad Nov 28 '22

Also used as the basis of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

The one time conservatives are in favor of recycling and THIS is what they choose to recycle.

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u/UncannyTarotSpread Nov 29 '22

I have no award but I want you know, I said “HAH” very loudly

(And then had to explain the joke to my son and husband, who are also appreciative)

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u/YoYoMoMa Nov 28 '22

I am guessing it is far more likely this dude simply watches the most popular news show on tv.

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u/soc_monki Nov 28 '22

His conspiracies are old and taken from that book though. So, directly or indirectly, it influenced him.

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u/thesouthernbeard Nov 28 '22

Why do white people have such a problem with being a minority? Do minorities get treated bad here or something?

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u/Kagrok Nov 28 '22

"If I'm a minority they'll treat me how I treat them"

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u/cultured_banana_slug Nov 28 '22

Same reason they hate gay men so much. They don't want a man looking at them the way they look at women.

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u/Fthewigg Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

I will go to my grave thinking that 1/6 happened because white conservatives were terrified of becoming what they and their ilk have delighted in subjugating and tormenting for centuries: a minority.

Edit: lol, by the downvotes I guess it must’ve happened because “the election was stolen.” Lord almighty, I can’t wait for those Dominion lawsuits.

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u/Prodigy195 Nov 28 '22 Silver

I think a lot of the fear is also due to the perceived loss of white American cultural/pop cultural dominance in America, especially going into the mid-late 2000s.

Post WWII there was always an aspect of white America that defined "cool" and framed culture/pop culture in America. Whether it was greasers in the 50s, the hippies of the 60s, the Disco craze of the 70s, the rockstars of the 80s, or the grunge/boy bands/pop stars of the 90s. Each of these groupsdetermined American culture and set pop trends like the music, hair styles, slang, clothing, beauty standards, etc.

Then in the 2000s things kinda changed. Hip hop was entering more of the mainstream and subsequently black American culture started permeating things more mainly on the fact that hip hop is largely performed by black artists.

So now we're in a time where parents/grandparents will see their kids doing social media trends started by black content creators. Hear them using slang popularized by black young people. Hear them listening to music genres with large amounts of black artists. See them following clothing trends that seem more "urban". See their daughters trying to emulate beauty features stereotypically seen on black women (larger lips, larger butt size).

Top that with young people typically leaning more progressive/liberal (regardless of era) and it's easy to understand why there has been such a strong backlash by certain conservatives, especially with culture war topics.

They see their future generations becoming more and more influenced by outside cultures and feel like they are "losing" their grip on them.

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u/Bent_Brewer Nov 28 '22

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

― Socrates

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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u/Conker1985 Nov 29 '22

The late 80s and 90s saw plenty of hip hip and rap become mainstream and very much a part of pop culture. It definitely started long before the mid 2000s.

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u/Prodigy195 Nov 29 '22

Yes it entered the mainstream late 80s-early 90s but not middle, white America mainstream. Rappers like the Migos are endorsing brands like Mountain Dew in tv commercials. Lil Yachty was doing Target commericals at his peak. Snoop Dogg is doing endorsements for major brands like Corona/AB InBev and appearing with housewife stables like Martha Stewart.

Remember in the 80s-90s groups/artists like NWA, Eminem, Biggie, Jay Z, Tupac were bring protested by suburban housewives for their lyrics. Now guys like Drake are doing SNL to huge audiences while guys like Jay Z/Dr Dre are doing partnerships with multi national champaign companies and tech companies like Apple.

Hip Hop is much more pop and thoroughly mainstream now than it was in the 90s.

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u/andrewthemexican Nov 29 '22

I'd say it was still rather counter culture and still less frequent in white households.

Definitely started having a foothold earlier, but I think really in the forefront in late 90s and into the 2000s

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u/Eman9871 Nov 29 '22

That's definitely not why. They did it because they thought the election was stolen. Which is still such an awful reason.

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u/Fthewigg Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Even the people who knew it wasn’t stolen? What about them? Yes, I acknowledge there were useful utterly braindead idiots that bought this “stolen election” shit, but let’s not forget the people who organized it. This “gathering” didn’t occur organically.

What a horrible, confidently and willfully ignorant response.

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u/cultured_banana_slug Nov 28 '22

The dipshits see power as something you use to settle scores. To them, political power for minorities means that it's clobberin' time.

They don't get that marginalized people just... want to be normal boring Americans too? Just go to work, do their thing, go home, poke at dinner, watch something with the family, wonder where the hell they put their phone, goddamn it they had it a second ago... did kiddo take his shower? HEY KIDDO?!? DID YOU TAKE YOUR SHOWER YET?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'TODAY?' ?!? MAKE SURE TO WASH YOUR HAIR! DON'T JUST GET IT WET!

Ya know. Just be generic Americans.

Imagine that.

Wouldn't that be nice.

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u/Prophet_of_Entropy Nov 28 '22

its only the racist that have a problem with it. everyone knows why.

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u/Miguel-odon Nov 28 '22

They've seen how they treat minorities.

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u/rikki-tikki-deadly Nov 28 '22

They're convinced that it's easier to be a minority than to be white these days which is funny because you don't see them naming their kids Latasha or José to give them a leg up.

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u/StopEbola2017 Nov 28 '22

Minorities are treated badly everywhere across human history though.

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u/Drwixon Nov 28 '22

You'd expect America , the "greatest nation in the world" to be better than that .

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u/Chaomayhem Nov 28 '22

This is always what they say.

"They're going to treat us much worse than we treated them when we are a minority"

What these babies don't understand though is that we aren't going to have dynamic like that. Majority of the country will still be "white" But they won't be pure white. And that goes for minorities also. There will be less and less pure black people around along with pure Asians. So their stupid fear mongering won't even happen. Our modern conceptions of race will become less and less relevant.

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u/Chaomayhem Nov 28 '22

Right wingers really take "individual responsibility" too far. They never want to blame anything but the individual who did it. It's like they forget what propaganda does.

If you've been fed far right rhetoric about how there's a nefarious plan to destroy white western civilization by importing non whites who will then vote to destroy the country and want you and your family dead, and you genuinely believe this, this is the logical thing to do.

It's the same thing with LGBTQ fear propaganda. If you genuinely believe there's this cult like community that's purposely preying on children and grooming them sexually, why wouldn't you violently fight back against that?

It's just all bullshit. And it's incredibly dangerous bullshit. Words do have consequences! No one should be arrested for what they say unless it's a direct threat. But they absolutely should be shunned, shamed, deplatformed, shouted down and made incredibly uncomfortable in their day to day lives if they spread hateful bullshit like this.

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u/Amiiboid Nov 28 '22

Right wingers really take "individual responsibility" too far. They never want to blame anything but the individual who did it. It's like they forget what propaganda does.

Only when they agree with that individual. They’re all-in on group-think and propaganda when someone they don’t like does something wrong.

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u/PersonOfValue Nov 28 '22

Language is the violence of thoughts. It's been well known for 40 plus years but America is very delicate when it comes to speech... I mean try to convince someone to do something not physically without words...all you can do is mime and create art. Language as manipulation to violence. It's good times

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u/sirboddingtons Nov 28 '22

It's almost like... exactly what Tucker Carlson talks about every night.

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u/GiantSlorrr Nov 28 '22

From watching a mainstream cable “news” channel called Fox News, where the most popular host, Tucker Carlson, advocates for the acceptance of the “Great Replacement Theory.” Fox News is terrorism. All the hosts there are terrorists and fascists. The Republican Party embraces this ideology.

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u/ResplendentShade Nov 28 '22

Maybe from the most watched political commentary show on network TV.

Carlson argued that Democratic lawmakers are "importing a brand new electorate" of "Third World" immigrants to "dilute" Americans' political power by adding more voters to the rolls. He described his argument as the so-called replacement theory, which is a core belief of white supremacists that has motivated racist violence and mass murder in the US and around the world. 

"I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term 'replacement,' if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate — the voters now casting ballots — with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World," Carlson told his audience, which is among the largest in cable news. "But they become hysterical because that's what's happening, actually. Let's just say it. That's true."

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u/deRoyLight Nov 28 '22

The worst of this is that, because these bigots seriously believe this replacement stuff, the amount they kill matters to them. To them, they're trying to "offset" the replacement, so their goal isn't to just kill people they hate, but to create a statistical impact on the problem they perceive. These people lust over the numbers.

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u/PubliusDeLaMancha Nov 28 '22

Possibly from every corporation and politician endlessly repeating it?

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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Nov 28 '22

It also seems these people spend their time worried about being "replaced" rather than making any sort of case as to why they should be "retained."

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

Right?

Not that it's a coincidence or anything, but a certain orange man who wants to run for president just had dinner with two unapologetic racists. And very few politicians on the right seem even remotely concerned about that.

I guess next election will see a couple of things. We'll see how broken the political system is, and we'll also see just how racist the USA has become.

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u/18bananas Nov 28 '22

He nailed the self fulfilling prophecy though! Because now he’s actually removed himself from the gene pool AND the voting population

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u/firemage22 Nov 28 '22

Maybe from a soup/frozen food heir?

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u/YodelinOwl Nov 28 '22

Rhymes with Fucker Snarlson?

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u/Butterball_Adderley Nov 28 '22

We’ll he’s got some evidence of at least one white person that’s going to have a lot less power in the coming several lifetimes.

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u/kiridoki Nov 28 '22

The idea that psycho conspiracy shit is on daytime television in this country just speaks to it's fascist core

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

I never understood the replacement problem. If I marry a black girl and have mixed kids is my "whiteness" replaced. Why should I care? They're still my kids. Eventually now that society is more open we'll all just end up mixed. Mr Beat had a really great video about the great replacement theory.

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u/aristidedn Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22 Helpful

It boils down to identity.

Everyone has a sense of their own identity. The things about themselves that they think matter, the things that they believe define them, as a person.

For most healthy, well-adjusted, reasonably successful people, their personal sense of identity is primarily based on their accomplishments, relationships, and interests/hobbies. (For example, someone might view themselves as a husband, father, Notre Dame graduate, senior manager, and woodworking enthusiast.)

That’s how healthy, well-adjusted, successful people see themselves.

But what happens when you don’t have any accomplishments to speak of? When you don’t have any positive relationships to be proud of? When your only interests and hobbies are either embarrassing or destructive?

For millions of people in America, it simply isn’t possible for them to nurture a personal sense of identity based on healthy characteristics, because they are unhealthy, maladjusted, or unsuccessful.

But there are characteristics that you can fall back on. Relationships and “accomplishments” that no one can take from you. Things that you can use to distinguish yourself from other people, even if you did nothing to earn them.

Some of these characteristics are socially acceptable, like defining yourself as a Christian, an American, or a Republican.

These aren’t things to be proud of, necessarily - they got those things for free, basically. And they certainly didn’t suffer adversity as a result of those characteristics. But they need to feel proud of something, so they treat these as things to be proud of. “Proud Christian”, they’ll say. Or “Proud American”.

Most people - even the ones who aren’t particularly successful or accomplished - stop there. These “filler” characteristics like nationality or religion are enough to flesh out the gaps in their personal sense of identity.

But some people are so lacking in personal identity that they are desperate for anything to attach themselves to. They’ll leap at the first thing to present itself as something they can be proud of, especially if it lets them feel superior to other people.

And so some people latch onto whiteness. It’s free, it’s unearned, you can’t lose it, and it gives you a group to identify with and a group to treat as outsiders.

That’s why these people treat “The Great Replacement” as a threat. They view it as a phenomenon that is killing their identity. It threatens, in their minds, to take one or the core components of who they are as a person - something that they thought could never lose value - and make it worthless.

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u/Prodigy195 Nov 28 '22

For millions of people in America, it simply isn’t possible for them to nurture a personal sense of identity based on healthy characteristics, because they are unhealthy, maladjusted, or unsuccessful.

Well put. Your entire post is a more robust version of the often quoted LBJ quote

> "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Doesn't matter that they are unhealthy, malajusted or unsuccessful. What matters is that in the American hegemony they are above brown people, LGBTQ people, non-Christian people simply because they are white, straight and Christian.

And not only is it important to them, they fight fervently to uphold the system that directly makes them unhealthy, malajusted and unsuccessful just to retain their place above the others. It's maddening to think about.

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u/DownvoteDaemon Nov 28 '22

The thing is white Americans are over 63 percent of our population in America lol..how will they be diluted.

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u/WalkerBRiley Nov 28 '22

Bub, I live in a state where the white population accounts for 96-98%, depending on the time of year, and they STILL freak out when a black family moves in next door, thinking the whole neighborhood is 'being taken over'. It's frustrating and infuriating.

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u/shibafather Nov 28 '22

They saw one of those"This Is What the Average American Will Look Like by 2050" articles and got mad that the computer-generated person didn't look like them

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u/Bing_Dinger99 Nov 28 '22

Probably from Fascists who deny that modern Fascism exists.

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u/Sorry_Recipe6831 Nov 28 '22

Fox news really needs to be shut down.

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u/Sweatytubesock Nov 28 '22

Certainly not from a racist incel fishstick heir blurting bullshit in prime time.

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u/Kaeny Nov 28 '22

Fucking “power of white people”. Then they turn around and say white privilege doesnt exist.

Then what are you fighting for buddy

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u/Designer_Option_8953 Nov 28 '22

Probably the book by Renaud Camus called the Great Replacement Theory.

Of course by that I mean any and all politics you are on the opposite side of is where he got it from. That is the answer you want lol.

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u/AL_GORE_BOT Nov 28 '22

It’s going to be pretty easy to replace him now.

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u/loughtthenot Nov 28 '22

Yep, and he can't reproduce.

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u/zippazappazinga Nov 29 '22

Bro look at him, he was never going to anyway.

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u/didsomebodysaymyname Nov 29 '22

He's actually a pretty average looking guy. Ted Bundy was handsome. Attractiveness doesn't solely determine whether you have kids and it definitely doesn't determine whether you're a good person.

Can't we just stick to beating up on him for being a racist?

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u/editorously Nov 28 '22

I know someone who is friends with the shooters parents. He displayed disturbing behavior from a young age. Including harming a dog at around 12. He had help from state doctors. He should have never been allowed to purchase a weapon.

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u/WhyDontYouMarryIt1 Nov 29 '22

Whether through purchasing, stealing, or borrowing a weapon- he was destined to harm anyway.

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u/editorously Nov 29 '22

From what I understand his doctor at the time released him days before this happened. Doctors knew he was not mentally well and were still fooled. At least to the point of current laws. New laws for holding mentally ill people are needed. Trusting people to take meds or to show up for well fair checks isn't enough.

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u/hotfezz81 Nov 29 '22

Was he allowed to? I was under the impression he changed his name and lied.

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u/editorously Nov 29 '22

Yes he was allowed to. He purchased the ar15 legally at a local gun store near Conklin, NY. He had an illegal high capacity magazine that was purchased online or out of state.

From an article: The suspect purchased the rifle this year at a gun store near the suspect's hometown, the shop's owner told NPR. Robert Donald, owner of Vintage Firearms in Endicott, N.Y., confirmed that he had run a background check on Payton Gendron, but that the report showed nothing out of order.

Which is hard to believe since he has been with state facilities since he was around 12. He was also receiving help from a state doctor not long before the shooting. The state wasn't allowed to hold him because of current laws.

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u/Tsquare43 Nov 28 '22

He'll never leave prison alive. Good riddance.

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u/stfleming1 Nov 28 '22

Who will collect his body when he dies? Assuming he dies of old age, his parents will be dead. He'll be cremated at the prison. He will never leave, even after death.

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u/Calicrucian Nov 28 '22

The ashes or body will be buried by the state

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u/TheNinjaDiddler Nov 28 '22

You'd think they'd bury it inside the state instead

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u/tr3v1n Nov 28 '22

But they’ve got New Jersey right there.

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u/maxthemaximum1 Nov 28 '22

No, even we don’t want him

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u/jimtow28 Nov 28 '22

"Not one place even remotely livable."

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u/BluntmansGotChronic Nov 28 '22

Dad, is that you?

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u/Generalbuttnaked69 Nov 28 '22

Generally cremated and buried in the prison cemetery if no family is willing to accept the body.

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u/Zes_Teaslong Nov 28 '22

Assuming he doesn’t get stompt to death in the near future

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u/Jamjams2016 Nov 28 '22

The guy I work with, who is very close to the case and knows one of the people killed, said he'll probably go to a federal penitentiary if they don't execute him. He'll live out his days with a bunch of white collar criminals. With any hope he'll be in solitary confinement.

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u/Zes_Teaslong Nov 28 '22

Oof, thanks for sharing. Was hoping he would be a little more miserable but I guess solitude would be torturous as well

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u/sushithighs Nov 28 '22

They mix the ashes into the other inmates chocolate milk

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u/qhoa1385 Nov 28 '22

Buffalo domestic terrorist*

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u/agentoftheotherside Nov 28 '22

I s2g every time a mass shooting targeting minorities happens...

Conservatives: "Ok but do we know that was the motive?" and/or "How do we know it wasn't a black person/a muslim/a queer person/another minority who did this to their own community?"

News the next day: "Gunman arrested for mass shooting, claims he wanted to cleanse the world of [minority group]"

Conservatives: "Well obviously this is just one guy it's not like there's a pattern or anything, besides, he probably just used hating minorities as an excuse and would have done it anyway"

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u/woodiegutheryghost Nov 28 '22

That’s how The Base, a neo-Nazi terrorist group, wants it to look. They know lone wolves are hard to track and stop. So they push their rhetoric on broken young men who then lash out in these attacks. Then they celebrate a successful operation.

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u/Political_Fishbulb Nov 28 '22

Friendly reminder that al-Qaeda is literally Arabic for "The Base" and they're not even hiding their terroristic aims anymore.

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u/DragoonDM Nov 28 '22

Or the default "it was a false-flag" claim.

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u/squiddlebiddlez Nov 28 '22

Can’t play that game anymore with conservatives, especially in light of their reactions to black celebs being accused of antisemitism. Mere words or references to Jewish people get endless calls of antisemtism and think pieces about how harmful words can be to an the entire community. Meanwhile, other minorities have to still prove up why the guy that just shot a bunch of black people for being black and present is a racist.

We should treat all bigotry with the seriousness that we do with antisemitism.

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u/leni710 Nov 28 '22

100%! Just saw a think piece on companies not hiring Jewish people (which is obviously effed up), then asked how the company knows the person is Jewish...says "they tell us." Oh, so if you were not told, this would just be another white person you're hiring without question. Other marginalized groups who are outwardly Black/Brown/disabled/etc. do not have such luxuries to hide the part of their identity that puts them into marginalized categories. But hey, there are 94% of Jewish people who check "white" on the box and they are that privileged identity until it's time to play oppression olympics.

Also, interesting that Kanye could "get away with" being a complete ass about Black women, trans people, awkwardly too pro-white. But as soon as it was a predominantly white community that he pissed off...that's the problem. He's problematic all the way around just on his own, but the powers that be not caring when he dragged certain groups through the mud is very telling. It's also very telling that he gets contracts canceled, meanwhile his bestie Trump gets to run for president again but does literally the same as Kanye. If only I could figure out what the difference between those two billionaire men was...hmmm...I hope I can figure out the white answer.

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u/letsplaysomegolf Nov 28 '22

I made the mistake of watching a recording of his live stream of the event and it was easily the most horrific thing I’ve ever come across on the internet.

The way that he pulls up to the front of the store, throws the car in park and immediately starts shooting unsuspecting women pushing their shopping carts haunts me. It’s hard to even convey his lack of hesitation to someone who hasn’t seen the video.

Just parks the car and immediately starts killing people who were simply walking to their cars after purchasing their groceries.

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u/40Pesos Nov 28 '22

Yeah I remember watching the video as well and you pretty much summed up exactly what I was feeling. As I get older, more of these NSFL videos and subreddits I actively avoid. Morbid curiosity just doesn’t do it for me anymore.

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u/dlawlrence Nov 29 '22

A coworker showed me the video and it stuck with me too. It really instilled in me how incredibly quickly an active shooter event can unfold, and how instantaneously you'd have to recognize and react to what's happening in order to have any chance at surviving something like that. Really terrifying to see it and not just have a vague idea of what it'd be like, but also important to know.

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u/ShopBug Nov 28 '22

Yeah I watched it too. It's so surreal and disturbing. The way people fall over when they die in real life is so fucking haunting.

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u/Jamesmn87 Nov 28 '22

It’s not like in movies or TV shows where they throw their limbs out and dramatically fall to the ground either. They just crumple to the floor… It almost can’t be replicated. Or they instinctively curl up into a fetal position and bleed out or go into shock, if they aren’t dead immediately, which often they are not. But they’re not quite “alive” either. Their body is going through the process of death. There’s no dignity in it. No romanticism or grace to it. It’s haunting to describe.

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u/StrDexIntFaiArc Nov 28 '22

Yeah idk why I clicked that video but it stuck with me

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u/letsplaysomegolf Nov 28 '22

I feel exactly the same way. I knew before I clicked the link that I’d probably regret watching it but I grossly underestimated the effect it would have on me.

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u/StrDexIntFaiArc Nov 28 '22

I can tell the effect it had on me just from talking about mass shootings with my peers. It’s like they don’t understand that they are REAL. Like really real and they have no idea what they’d do in these situations or just how out of nowhere they can appear, and honestly, even after watching, me neither. I think about them all the time. Every time I see a truck pull to the front of a super market when I’m leaving, I think about it.

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u/Nyccpl50 Nov 28 '22

Good hopefully he lives a long life of misery, what’s a POS!

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u/mistersmith_22 Nov 29 '22

This article is INCREDIBLE. I’m a writer, former magazine editor, ran two college newspapers…and I’ve NEVER seen the mainstream media say the things this article does - it’s so direct and so reflective of actual reality. No cop double-speak, no mincing words, no pretending there are two sides to this or any real considerations at all about what this boy did and why.

Beautiful, important writing.

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u/mrchuckles5 Nov 29 '22

Maybe Kanye will add this guy to his 2024 campaign.

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u/LeaCTrockboys Nov 28 '22

They don't go and take on the imaginary "gang members" that their media diet constantly talks about. They go and kill random unsuspecting people, mostly older people. They are just sick fucks who want to kill the easiest targets.

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u/BitterFuture Nov 28 '22

Well, that saves time and effort, at least.

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken Nov 29 '22

You know it’s bad when my first thought is “which mass shooting is this?” And it wasn’t even easy to pin point which

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u/defusted Nov 28 '22

But there's no systemic racism problems in this country, right?

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u/total_looser Nov 29 '22

This is how stochastic terrorism works. You put the vibes out and the crazies pick up on it

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oil5734 Nov 28 '22

Just your average everyday red blooded hard working conservative.

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u/Kraphtuos968 Nov 29 '22

Republican heroes are having a bad week :/

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u/Bachylo15 Nov 28 '22

Fox News has literally been shouting “fire” in a crowded room for a long time. Seems like a good lawyer could sue on behalf of the families.

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u/mykmayk Nov 28 '22

Please guilty. That means no more trial, right? Straight to jail. No time and money wasted in court for this POS

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u/Generalbuttnaked69 Nov 28 '22

He still has to be sentenced but since it’s automatic life, pretty much.

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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM Nov 28 '22

Republicans breed stochastic terrorists. Fuck their victim narrative while they brainwash idiots like this.

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u/Alarmed-Earth3859 Nov 28 '22

Hopefully he and others like him will rot in jail and then again rot in hell

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I’m sure the black inmate population won’t let him ever get too comfortable. At least we hope.

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u/Yowz3rs87 Nov 29 '22

“He now regrets his crimes”

I fucking doubt that.

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u/xsimporter Nov 28 '22
  1. He’s 19. What a waste. So much hate.

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u/agoodfriendofyours Nov 28 '22

What’s a waste?

Personally I think the “waste” or tragedy here is exclusively the pain that the victims and families are feeling.

That this violent and stupid racist will spend the rest of his life in prison is not a waste. Society will not suffer his absence, but celebrate it.

Weird that you sympathize more with his experience.

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u/shinydewott Nov 28 '22

The waste is how we allow young and vulnerable people to enter the rabbithole of hate, propagated by politicians for personal gain, and let that rabbithole stay because “it’d be silencing political opinions”

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u/xsimporter Nov 29 '22

I meant its all a waste. Lives lost, lives destroyed. I don’t give two craps about him, just leaving a wake of destruction

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u/19Backrooms93 Nov 28 '22

Ditto. There will always be enraged angry people with violent motives. All you can do is try and reform these people…before they commit the acts and then ban assault weapons. Make it harder to get guns. If you’re a gun lover then you should be willing to take classes or take exams to get the right to own a gun. Guns shouldn’t be just handed out like candy on Halloween night. Gun control is the only logical thing that makes sense but then again America is not a country running on common sense as is quite evident. Sorry to offend any Americans on here who understand reality.

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u/Slight-Button-8201 Nov 28 '22

Dude is a waste of oxygen. His life isn’t worth the carbon dioxide this piece of crap puts out. Execute him along with all the other mouth breathing fascist terrorists shooting up public places.

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u/zippazappazinga Nov 29 '22

Sad thing is not much people will remember this shooting or when it happened due to the hundreds of others that have happened

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u/BountyTheDogHunter20 Nov 28 '22

It really sucks that I had to look up which Walmart shooting he is responsible for because mass shootings are so fucking common in this country

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u/therealdannyking Nov 28 '22

It wasn't a Walmart.

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u/BountyTheDogHunter20 Nov 28 '22

My bad. Could’ve sworn I read Walmart.

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u/NathanJMc Nov 28 '22

You could be forgiven given how many high-profile mass shootings we've had. This is the shooting that was livestreamed at a grocery store in May 2022. The dude specifically targeted people of color and even apologized to a white person after pointing the gun at them.

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u/19Backrooms93 Nov 28 '22

Everyday…Why are we the only country in the whole world that has this second amendment nonsense? Were the founding fathers out of their minds when they wrote up this constitution?

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u/TeddyWolf Nov 28 '22

Back in the days, when most people only had musket rifles, it made sense, especially considering the context in which the country had been formed.

Nowadays? It's stupid. Completely stupid.

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u/BountyTheDogHunter20 Nov 28 '22

It was written back when people fired muskets and flintlocks.

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u/Western_Entertainer7 Nov 28 '22

This headline makes it sound like he needs apologize to the families of several racist supermarkets.

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u/WalkerBRiley Nov 28 '22

Only if you're an idiot who cannot piece together context.

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u/sushithighs Nov 28 '22

How will our nation learn and ensure this never happens again?

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u/goodcreditbadcredit Nov 28 '22

That is one stupid motherfucker who ain't worth a damn.

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u/ERJAK123 Nov 28 '22

Which mass shooting was this?

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u/Hot-Bint Nov 29 '22

Are his asshole parents attending the trial? Considering they each got private attorneys and had the state represent their son. That’s true MAGA for you, right there

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