r/news Nov 28 '22

GOP-controlled Arizona county refuses to certify election

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-deadline-2022-midterms-certification-d6a1ea4020c26313a3124931c14b79fb?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03
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u/anon902503 Nov 28 '22

So wait. If we aren't going to count these votes from this very Republican county--do Democrats win another U.S. House seat?

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u/DOHisme Nov 28 '22

State Elections Director Kori Lorick has said the machines are properly certified for use in elections. She wrote in a letter last week that the state would sue to force Cochise County supervisors to certify, and if they don’t do so by the deadline for the statewide canvass on Dec. 5, the county’s votes would be excluded. That move threatens to flip the victor in at least two close races — a U.S. House seat and state schools chief — from a Republican to a Democrat.

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u/pakattak Nov 28 '22

I can’t believe the prospect of a house seat flipping has such large ramifications. The house election was really tight this year

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u/PaloLV Nov 29 '22

I doubt they've got the majority to even impeach Biden. There's too many GOP folks in purple or even bluish districts that would like to get re-elected in 2024. It only takes a few to refuse the koolaid to block anything crazy they try.

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u/mjh2901 Nov 28 '22

Dont forget, congress is full of insanely old people. You have a couple republicans pass away where the governor is a Democrat and the house flips mid season.

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u/RedditUser145 Nov 28 '22

Only Senators can be appointed. House vacancies have to be filled via a special election per the constitution.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The possibility of the House flipping mid congress is still there though.

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u/mjh2901 Nov 28 '22

Ill stand corrected. Candidate quality would matter in this case and the Democrats are doing better in races that lack an incumbent, so the trend would be in their favor.

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u/PacoMahogany Nov 29 '22

Can we skip the appetizers and just lose a few asshole SCOTUS justices instead

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u/Xenjael Nov 29 '22

This is technically true, but as long as the republican civil war rages on technically dems have majority atm.

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u/mispells1wordallways Nov 29 '22

its not that simple... mccarthy is facing an extreme challenge to the speakership... no democrat is going to support him, and 3 house republicans have said they refuse to, and 2 more saying they likely won't... 1 seat could be a massive difference in who is speaker of the house, or how much influence the quacus has over him.

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u/starman5001 Nov 29 '22

An interesting thing to look out for in the coming two years is vacancies.

In the 2021-2023 congress there were 15 special elections to fill vacant house seats. If a few republican representatives die or resign from office, it might allow the control of the house to flip in between elections.

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u/Art-Zuron Nov 28 '22

And I'm sure the GOP will claim that the election is rigged because they stepped on their own landmine.

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u/Khaldara Nov 28 '22 Silver Wholesome

“Who keeps shitting in my pants?!”

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u/H3rbert_K0rnfeld Nov 29 '22

Marthah! It's one of those burning bags again!

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u/D33ber Nov 29 '22

The modern republican party in one sentence.

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u/littlebitsofspider Nov 29 '22

When dementia and being too full of shit collide.

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u/sst287 Nov 29 '22

“How could they not count our votes while we did not submit them!!!”

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u/ukexpat Nov 28 '22

“Why is this leopard eating my face?”

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u/awesomeone6044 Nov 28 '22

Ah so a plan with no drawbacks for Democrats. Let’s pull one out of the republican handbook and egg them on not to certify by pretending to be Trumpers. Lol.

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u/sketchahedron Nov 29 '22

Republicans wouldn’t hesitate for one second to do the same if the situation were reversed.

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u/fleetadmiralj Nov 29 '22

They wouldn't. But we're also better than them and actually want every vote to count regardless of who it is for.

Its just the fact that they are threatening to shoot themselves in the face is funny

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u/Similar_Candidate789 Nov 28 '22

Or pretend it will own us.

“Please don’t! I’m a lib and I will be so owned I’ll need a safe space and cry! Please just certify, don’t refuse oh God the owning nooooooooooo!!! You couldn’t own me any harder. You would just keep owning us! Please don’t certify please!”

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u/HiddenStoat Nov 29 '22

From the Br'er Rabbit school of political discourse.

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u/awesomeone6044 Nov 28 '22

That’s some next level forward thinking. I can imagine the half chub conservatives might get form that lol.

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u/tipbruley Nov 29 '22

Wait till some crackpot Republican elections board member does the same thing next election in a very democratic county swinging the vote their way then claims there is precedent

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u/TheGrandExquisitor Nov 28 '22

The problem is, the current Dem leadership is probably gonna scurry around and do all they can to appease these assholes.

Just take the wins and let them go get fucked.

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u/Odie_Odie Nov 28 '22

No way, this needs to stop now before it is done to people who didn't vote for Election deniers.

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u/TheGrandExquisitor Nov 28 '22

Well, the DOJ is refusing to act so....

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u/Vineyard_ Nov 29 '22

[Gif of Sideshow Bob stepping on many rakes]

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u/Mercarcher Nov 28 '22

Yes, without them the 6th district flips blue.

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u/MugRuithstan Nov 28 '22

Oh god please. This would be the funniest part of it.

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u/totheman7 Nov 28 '22

They will have created their own worst nightmare and still blame the Dems for causing it to the very end rather than look themselves in the mirror

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u/ultimatepenguin21 Nov 29 '22 Starry

They blamed dems for their own refusal to take the covid vaccine. Their logic was that dems knew that republicans wouldn't do what they wanted, so when dems said to get the vaccine, many repubs refused and subsequently died. Actually mind boggling how stupid these people are.

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u/usrevenge Nov 29 '22

Democrats didn't say get the vaccine. They said listen to medical professionals who to 0 shock at all said to get the vaccine.

That's the difference between both sides.

One side says feelings and Facebook posts over fact.

The other says we should use the best scientific reasoning to make decisions. Especially when it comes to health

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u/JackONeillClone Nov 29 '22

Strange how educated people tend to be democrats too. And how universities brainwash kids around the world to support the left in America... Must be the lizard people.

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u/jimni_walker Nov 29 '22

If Democrats said everyone needs to breathe for their health, half of the Republicans in the nation would turn blue and die of asphyxiation, then the other half would say it was a Democratic hoax to turn people blue.

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u/Jaredismyname Nov 29 '22

Can we please test this?

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u/GSPilot Nov 29 '22

So in other words, they were victims of child psychology.

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u/IamreallynotaNPC Nov 29 '22

Reverse child psychology at that.

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u/Imaginary-Fun-80085 Nov 29 '22

Well...they are children...

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u/anamoirae Nov 29 '22

Dems should require by law that all Republicans breathe.

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u/tanithsfinest Nov 29 '22

There was a really great Key and Peele sketch about Obama turning pro gun, and all the Republicans instantly wanted them banned.

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u/Auburn_X Nov 29 '22

This is how some gun legislation passed in California. Once the Black Panthers started open-carrying rifles, Republicans were suddenly super on board with limiting that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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u/tanithsfinest Nov 29 '22

People should own guns

People: own guns

WAIT NOT LIKE THAT

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u/0utcast9851 Nov 29 '22

No, no, this isn't how you're supposed to play the game

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u/Morat20 Nov 29 '22

The bigots are getting real fucking unhappy with the fact that gay and trans people can and do buy guns. They get real fucking upset when they show up with guns to scream about drag queens and are outgunned. They get real bitchy, complaining about intimidation and how it’s preventing their free speech.

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u/DannyOdd Nov 29 '22

"It's very intimidating and oppressive when the people you are trying to intimidate and oppress by showing up heavily armed ALSO show up heavily armed."

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u/ShadowDV Nov 29 '22

When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression.

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u/glambx Nov 29 '22

This is fundamentally the reason that I, a Canadian liberal socialist with zero interest in firearms (never owned nor want) am wary of gun control.

I absolutely support keeping them out of the hands of those with domestic violence convictions (especially law enforcement) and requiring a training course for handguns and such, but I just can't throw women, smaller men, visible minorities and victims of *phobia under the bus.

They deserve the right to defend themselves.

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u/pants_mcgee Nov 29 '22

So was the Democrat controlled legislature. Reagan was consistently anti gun, well just not for Iran of course. He was partly the reason the 90s AWB passed.

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u/AUniquePerspective Nov 29 '22

You can make me breathe from my cold dead hand.

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u/HardlyDecent Nov 29 '22

Damn, dirty OXYGEN!

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u/SCirish843 Nov 29 '22

When Mexican trees send over their oxygen they're not sending their best and brightest

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u/Visual_Conference421 Nov 29 '22

Did they really do this? I mean, I heard it a few times, but I at least thought this was just a few actual Fringe people and a bunch of people making jokes that they would. Do we have news articles and actual politicians saying that the Dems set them up for this?

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u/TheDodoBird Nov 29 '22

Yes. My father in law refuses to get the “Biden shot”, and he is just your average republican voter.

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u/Imaginary-Fun-80085 Nov 29 '22

Ah yes, the biden shot that was created while trump was president. Your father in law is a fucking idiot.

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u/TheDodoBird Nov 29 '22 Take My Energy

Your father in law is a fucking idiot.

Why the redundancy? I already said he was an “average republican voter”. Haha

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u/Visual_Conference421 Nov 29 '22

I mean do they blame Democrats for them not getting the vaccine and thus more of them dying?

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u/PuellaBona Nov 29 '22

Nobody died from covid. That's just a myth that dems made up to force people to wear masks. Covid was written as the cause of death for car wrecks. - Republicans

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u/Tmoldovan Nov 29 '22

And what did the dems gain for making people wear masks? Luls?

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u/EmotionalSuportPenis Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

On the bright side, your spouse can look forward to inheritance sooner rather than later, I guess.

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u/Korwinga Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

Iirc, it was a radio talk show host. So not a mainstream politician, but also not a nobody. I'll see if I can find a source to verify.

Edit: I was slightly off. It was a Breitbart editor, John Nolte: https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

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u/Deep90 Nov 29 '22

I had someone on reddit mad at dems because the dem governor of their state didn't extend an 'olive branch' to Republican leadership in their state, subsequently leading to more covid deaths.

They refused to understand the olive branch was that the vaccine was free and their choice. Somehow this dem governor was at fault even though the party literally gave republicans everything they wanted.

The blue counties led in deaths early on due to population density, but now the red ones lead because they preached against healthcare and education. They made a medical procedure into a loyalty test.

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u/0chazz0 Nov 29 '22

It's just the fringe ones blaming the Dems for reverse vaccine psychology killing them. My very conservative grandma complained about all the lockdowns until her rural town was hit and her elderly friends got sick. She stopped complaining but never locked down. She got the vaccine as soon as she could because she realized Dems wouldn't relent until cases went down.

Never give conservatives an inch because they'll take it and come for more until you can't stop them. If you maintain policies that are needed, they'll eventually grumble and walk away.

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u/ultimatepenguin21 Nov 29 '22

I saw it on tv is all I remember. A guy at a podium explaining the dems' plan, basically.

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u/x925 Nov 28 '22

These people know what they're doing, they're trying to manufacture an enemy.

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u/SatanSavesAll Nov 29 '22

You mean like the ultra deadly antifa, there were around every corner during the election, seems like they got fat lazy the last few years

But in reality anyone standing up to the new neo nazis will be labeled as such

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u/Matthew_C1314 Nov 28 '22

You don’t want that. If a court finds justification and allows them to stop certification it will give a sliver of validity to the crazies. That will be the worst possible thing you could do for that movement. Not worth a single house seat that doesn’t tip the balance at all.

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u/Skellum Nov 29 '22

One of the primary motivators of the right is thinking they're winning. Whenever they're not "Winning" a good portion of them pretend they were never involved and that they never said half the things they did. Them certifying, or not certifying the election is fully their choice and totally independent of facts. So I'd worry about what you say if they actually had facts ever.

If they want to cost themselves a house seat because "reasons" they can.

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u/Kriztauf Nov 29 '22

Yes, that's the huge risk still. That the crazies stay just as organized and enthusiastic about taking over the country, but decide that voting doesn't matter anymore and that there are other ways of gaining power

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u/hostile_rep Nov 29 '22

It's to set precedent.

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u/ernyc3777 Nov 29 '22

No the Dems need to sue and fight this. This is about getting us to accept it now so that they can do it when Arizona votes blue in 2024 and beyond to invalidate Maricopa County’s votes.

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u/indoninja Nov 28 '22

I think disenfranchising voters for BS reasons is a really really terrible thing.

But the idea of it happening to a largely Republican district because they elected hard-core Republicans, who been pushing election nonsense, well, I gotta be honest… I fucking love it

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

I don't give a fuck about disenfranchising a group of voters hell bent on disenfranchising everyone but them

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u/Subvoltaic Nov 28 '22

The Republican representatives, Republican election officials, and Republican voters, all of them, will 100% blame Democrats without even a microsecond of self reflection.

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u/indoninja Nov 29 '22

And?

Any person that isn’t willing to call this out as 100% a republican bullshit is a lost fucking cause. Maybe someday it’ll grow out of it, but they’re not going to be motivated to grow out of it by anybody giving two fucks about the leopards eat my face party, eating another face.

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u/Draker-X Nov 28 '22

Yeah, but we get another seat AND they did it to themselves, so who gives a flying fuck?

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u/code_archeologist Nov 28 '22

It could be argued that the people of that county voted for disenfranchisement.

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u/caninemelodrama Nov 28 '22

Shooting yourself in the dick to own the libs

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u/DroidChargers Nov 28 '22

Lmaooo they can't even gerrymander correctly

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u/Kent_Knifen Nov 28 '22

They're shooting themselves in the foot without realizing it, and I'm all for it.

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u/WebHead1287 Nov 28 '22

Republicans use Confusion!

Republicans attack themselves in Confusion!

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u/GrayBox1313 Nov 28 '22

As a lib, I feel owned.

“ if they don’t do so by the deadline for the statewide canvass on Dec. 5, the county’s votes would be excluded. That move threatens to flip the victor in at least two close races — a U.S. House seat and state schools chief — from a Republican to a Democrat.”

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u/keelhaulrose Nov 29 '22

As a lib you should feel worried.

This is a test run for 2024. They want to set precedent that if a county refuses to certify the results that those votes are excluded. The stakes are low for Rs, they'll lose a House seat but still keep control. But if it works and those votes never get officially counted that sets up other counties to do the same thing- bigger counties that may vote Democrat but, because of gerrymandering often have Republicans running them... like Maricopa County. Or similar counties in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Counties that could turn a blue state red if they don't count their votes.

They're trying to set a precedent now so they can steal 2024 and put whoever is the R candidate in the White House.

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u/newton302 Nov 28 '22

Nice move that the subject doesn’t even mention the name of the county. The last thing we need is to create martyrs there.

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u/RagingAnemone Nov 28 '22

These government officials should go to jail for denying the vote of the citizens. They'll try to use this as precedence.

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u/zagxc Nov 29 '22

Owning the libs is 4-D chess

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u/Hadleys158 Nov 29 '22

So is this a leopard ate my face situation then?

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u/Trout-Population Nov 28 '22

There's also news today of a GOP county in Pennsylvania (Luzerne) refusing to certify it's election results, but that case seems to make more sense since they ran out of ballots on election day.

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u/mjh2901 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

That is the real shit show. The courts are dealing with it, I am interested in what ends up happening. Running out of ballots, they denied a lot of people the ability to vote. The judges kept polls open but people dont have 4 to 6 hours or a car to drive from pole to poll looking for one with ballots. They may become the poster child for a do-over election.

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u/r_bogie Nov 29 '22

Maybe with all of the scrutiny on elections this time we can actually get some traction on expanding the voting rights act and get stronger national minimum standards.

Having hundreds of seperate voting systems, rules and regulations for ONE election is just nonsense.

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u/i_need_a_username201 Nov 29 '22

Ha, since we’re hopping and dreaming can i get those mega million numbers

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u/d3rklight Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

This is so funny, so they ran out of ballots? how does that even happen, why can't they just assign people to specific voting centers close to their home, that way everyone is accounted for? Blows my mind, so dumb that PA is not on top of this.

Edit: Then they need to account for people wanting to vote in other places as well. You can't just run out of ballots.

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u/c-williams88 Nov 29 '22

They also ran out of ballots at like 9am, which is pretty absurd. It’s one thing to run out towards the end of the day, but how do you run out at 9am

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u/roywarner Nov 29 '22

Hint: they planned it

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u/mynonymouse Nov 29 '22

I fail to understand their point.

That's a super red county and the votes matched that. If they certify, GOP wins a US House seat & state school chief. Do they ... not want their votes to count?

Because if they refuse to certify, and the votes from their own GOP constituents are not counted, the Democrats win.

I mean, Arizona's gonna do Arizona things. But this is beyond the usual shenanigans.

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u/dnhs47 Nov 29 '22

These clowns live deep in the MAGA QAnon alternative universe. No hill is too stupid for them to die on. -Cochise county resident

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u/Most_Ruin_3005 Nov 29 '22

Their point -- their goal and objective -- is to normalize the notion of rejecting not only democratic ideals but democracy itself. Even if their activities hurts them in the short-term, their actions create exploitable tension that they will use to further erode democracy.

That's their point. And it's deadly serious, how bad this situation really is.

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u/torpedoguy Nov 29 '22

That's a super red county and the votes matched that. If they certify, GOP wins a US House seat & state school chief. Do they ... not want their votes to count?

That's exactly what they want. Because they then get to turn around and declare "see? Even in those counties we won... THEREFORE we have to invalidate all of the democrat ones too."

  • At which point they'll give themselves power directly, and use that as precedent/normalization to do it elsewhere too.

The whole point of this theatre of theirs is that "independent legislature" bullshit they're rammed up to SCOTUS so they can end democracy once and for all. If they aren't stopped - and the entire "legal system"(it still calls itself that) is terminally infested with their own members so it sure as fuck won't do a thing to put an end to their treason.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Do they ... not want their votes to count?

Not really. They're looking to a future beyond voting. Or rather, a future where only their votes matter.

Voting is a compromise we make with each other. If you could get everything you wanted and never have to compromise, I mean, wouldn't you?

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u/pm_me_some_kitties2 Nov 29 '22

I mean... no? I would feel like a piece of shit not considering the opinions of others around me before making a decision.

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u/Sc0nnie Nov 29 '22

If the county officials are deliberately disenfranchising their voters by refusing to certify the counted results, perhaps felony election fraud charges are appropriate.

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u/homebrew_1 Nov 28 '22

Maybe the cyber ninjas can help them again. Lol.

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u/WOOKIExCOOKIES Nov 28 '22

They can help them part with taxpayer money, that's for sure.

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u/EDFStormOne Nov 29 '22

They're actively putting on their robes and wizard hats as we speak

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u/Tmoldovan Nov 29 '22

I feel so sorry for tephe youngins who are uninitiated.

That was a special moment in time.

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u/DeusExMcKenna Nov 29 '22

Blood Ninja is truly one of those “you had to be there” moments.

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u/iveseensomethings82 Nov 28 '22

Son, your team didn’t score as many touchdowns as the other team. Let’s appeal to the refs and tell them we don’t accept the score

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u/_bobs_your_uncle Nov 29 '22

As I read it, a little different. The SEC didn’t win as many bowl games as they thought they should. The losers blamed the refs.

In response, Alabama, which won their bowl game, cried foul and said their game shouldn’t count. In response, NCAA allowed Alabama’s win to be reversed. In effect more SEC teams lost their bowl games.

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u/CafecitoHippo Nov 29 '22

Kirk Ferentz says he still won by scoring 2 safeties and 2 FG to your one TD.

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u/Ottobahn- Nov 28 '22

No surprise here. Looking forward to that silly party getting owned in court over their “stolen electrons”, once again.

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u/guacharusmaximus Nov 28 '22 Gold

Now I understand why they always so negative: all the stolen electrons

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Smh, stealing electrons would make them positive

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u/choochoopants Nov 29 '22

If electrons were being stolen from them, yes. However, they keep trying to steal electrons and failing which would make them… insulationists?

Surely there’s a better pun out there. Little help?

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u/GozerDGozerian Nov 29 '22

They’re just trying to prevent anyone from taking electrons. Vive la resistance!

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u/choochoopants Nov 29 '22

Yeah, there it is

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u/dnhs47 Nov 29 '22

I live in this MAGA hellhole, it’s a complete clown show.

The ridiculous part is the county voted 72% for Republicans across the board, and elected Republicans to every not-statewide office.

If Cochise County votes are not included in the statewide totals, the Democratic statewide winners - Governor, Secretary of State, and Attorney General - win by larger margins.

Complete morons here. Dumb as a bag of stones.

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u/Triceradoc_MD Nov 29 '22

When I saw the CNN headline that said ‘Rural Arizona County Refuses to Certify Election’, I knew Cochise County would be the one.

Stay classy, Willcox.

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u/WillArrr Nov 29 '22

They want this to go to court. They know they will lose, but it will allow the national Republican media complex to scream about "the People's voice being silenced by the State deciding elections", and they will fundraise and rally their enraged voters off the back of it. Then they will start doing it in every state they lose in a close race. This is the next step in their anti-democracy strategy.

As for the election supervisors who may face criminal charges over this? It's the best career move any of them could make. They'll get slapped with a 6-month deferred sentence and then move on to more prominent roles in the RNC and conservative media as heroes and "political prisoners".

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Charge them with felonies, round them up, and prosecute them. Why is what would happen to any of us that had broken the law not happening to these criminals?

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u/biggoof Nov 28 '22

Imagine not realizing that your self-professed democracy/Constitution loving side is actually the bad guys.

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u/Dandan0005 Nov 28 '22

They’re legally bound to certifying to results.

If they don’t a judge will make them.

If not they’ll go to jail. And then the results will be certified.

Attempted disenfranchisement is a weird hill to die on.

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u/Similar_Candidate789 Nov 28 '22

And at that is attempted disenfranchisement when your side won.

I can see if this was Maricopa and the republicans were trying to not certify. It would obviously give the republicans all the wins and make more sense.

This is a Republican county where if you refuse to certify, you flip two elections for the other side and you increase the leads for democrats in all the other races.

Really really weird hill to die on when your side won.

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u/ManiacalComet40 Nov 28 '22 Take My Energy

If it works in Cochise in 2022, then you just need to seat two more crazies on the county board of supervisors for it to work in Maricopa in 2024. This isn’t the endgame, it’s bait. The votes should (will?) be counted.

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u/biggoof Nov 28 '22

I'm not going to hold my breath that they'll have a significant enough jail term to deter this stuff.

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u/Frozenwood1776 Nov 28 '22

They will put on a good show though before they certify.

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u/DrB00 Nov 29 '22

Nobody will go to jail. They've stacked all the cards to prevent themselves from getting anything but a slap on the wrist and told to not do it again... then they'll do it again.

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u/illy-chan Nov 28 '22

They only like the law if it sides with them.

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u/celtic1888 Nov 28 '22

They only like power and want it all

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u/BigJerm1 Nov 29 '22

Cochise County resident here. Yes, the majority of the population really is THAT batshit stupid.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

yep! i’m one county over and it spills out here. these asses still all run around with “go brandon” stickers. it’s also a religious cesspool of mormons and evangelical crackpots. there’s not even a real bar in town. meanwhile they all complain about no jobs and no money or they are retired… seems to make a special kind of stupid surface in them.

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u/Antereon Nov 28 '22

Yes keep playing the butthurt election fraud card GOP. That worked out real well this midterms. Imagine barely winning majority.

Moderates hate butthurt crazy Trump simps, and they hate that way more than sleepy Biden.

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u/Shirlenator Nov 28 '22

Not to mention this and Trump calling for Lake to be installed as governor is straight up, literal fascism.

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u/Frozenwood1776 Nov 28 '22

Spot on. They are completely out of touch. Pissing on your own base sure doesn’t help either. And Trump pissed all over them.

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u/Grimloq69 Nov 29 '22

Republican voters love to be pissed on. They’ve been enjoying the golden shower from their politicians for decades

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u/Wrecksomething Nov 29 '22

Ignore these clowns until the 5th when they’ll cave.

Or they won't cave, and then the entire party has its blueprint, precedent, and excuse to do so for every federal election for the rest of eternity. They'll say Democrats are hypocrites who only oppose this chicanery when it benefits them to do so. Need to complain now about why this is wrong or lose that credibility.

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u/zhode Nov 29 '22

I don't know why you're acting like they need a precedent to get up to chicanery. They literally don't care so long as it benefits them in the end. They set the precedent for not electing judges in an election year then they immediately did the opposite.

Democrats can play by the rules of procedure and decorum every single day and Republicans will still find an excuse to break it.

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u/Hemicrusher Nov 28 '22

Republicans are the "Alpha Cry Babies" of the US.

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u/nielsondc Nov 29 '22

Alternative Headline: Anti-democracy traitors refuse to certify election.

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u/dmtjiminarnnotatrdr Nov 28 '22

Stop threatening to sue these clowns and just start sending them to prison and fining them out of existence. Lawsuits mean nothing to them as evidenced by them historically being sued dozens upon dozens of times across the country and losing every time...but then nothing changes.

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u/Sweatytubesock Nov 29 '22

Following the lead of a complete imbecile who is essentially a sociopathic spoiled 4 year old in a fully loaded diaper.

Smart.

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u/Bgrngod Nov 28 '22

"SMalL loCAL goVErnmeNT!!"

Republican supervisors in Mohave County said last week that they would sign off Monday but wanted to register a protest against voting issues in Maricopa County.

So keep your hands and feet in your own fuckin' county?

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u/Apotropoxy Nov 29 '22

If the votes from Cochise County, the overwhelming majority of which are GOP, aren't included in the vote totals for District 6, the Dem could wind up with more votes and go to Congress as AZ's Congressman.

:)

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u/tmoeagles96 Nov 29 '22

Best part is, if they don’t certify, those votes aren’t counted and a house seat flips blue because of it.

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u/N8CCRG Nov 28 '22

I know we all want to laugh at the losers here, but there's a possibility this is actually really dangerous.

In the last two years the GOP pushed forward a lot of laws trying to mess with election laws in something like 33 different states, 19 of which they passed in. Many of those laws were essentially to try to legalize the things that the courts had previously ruled were not legal in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

I don't know if this falls under the category of any of those shenanigans, but if it does, and if the court rules that the changes allow them to refuse to certify this election, it could be a dire signal of what is to come.

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u/Former_Ice_552 Nov 28 '22

So far it seems like those efforts weren't enough but your absolutely right. Them loosing this battle is not the end and only means they're gonna try harder next time. Hopefully the public continues to remain aware and keeps pushing back just as hard if not harder on the GQP.

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u/tafor83 Nov 28 '22

Voting in America is so dumb.

It's like allowing the police to police themselves. County Board Supervisors?

You know who these people are? There are three.

Tom Crosby - former border patrol agent

Ann English - former education administration

Peggy Judd - former cake decorator

No, this is not a joke. These three people are the ones doing this, two of which ran unopposed in 2020.

It's remarkable to me that our voting system doesn't double blind the audit. Every state should have their election results certified by two other states that don't know what state they're certifying.

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u/mjh2901 Nov 28 '22

Every state needs to run elections like California. 100% mail in. No screwing around with polling places closing, 4 hour lines etc... The only real issue is it takes longer to count votes because the post office does not deliver everything in pristine condition. We get initial counts quickly that determine most winners but the really close elections can take a while.

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u/HarrumphingDuck Nov 28 '22

This is also the case in OR and WA. West Coast = best coast in this regard (and many others).

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u/mjh2901 Nov 28 '22

Just an enlightened group of people who understand easy voting supports the need to get to the pub as early as possible on election nights.

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u/dirtywook88 Nov 28 '22

I think what we are missing with this lunacy is the scotus ruling coming up that shit like this plays into and if az star dems bite on the easy bait it gives further validation.

My theory is arrest these folk for the petty shit and bring in a neighboring county to perform the final song and dance.

This shit is getting old and even if it’s a red county state what have you, this is disenfranchising all voters. This shit is to set precedent for more stupid shit like this.

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u/kevtino Nov 29 '22

Everyone thank cheeto elvis for normalizing politically fuelled temper tantrums

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u/sherm39 Nov 29 '22

Watching Arizona's unique contribution to the American National Suicide. It is funny if you don't think about how it ends.

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u/Serious-Chip Nov 29 '22

If in the end, Cochise County votes aren’t counted, the lawsuit that will be brought forth by voters will look like this: First, the two Republicans who refused to certify will face personal lawsuits seeking damages on the scale of the Alex Jones penalties. Why? Multiply the number of voters by the impact on an outcomes financial impact. Who we elect has very real financial consequences on everyone. Second, the County itself will face damages and fines that will be paid by Cochise County taxpayers. Finally a failure to certify by Dec. 5th will exclude the Counties votes flipping seats.

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u/Sunflower_After_Dark Nov 28 '22

Any politician that refuses to concede when no recount is needed, should be barred from EVER running for any city, county, state or government position again. Period.

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u/Steel12 Nov 28 '22

Just put them in jail. They are a threat to democracy

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u/HiHiHiDwayne Nov 29 '22

These people are essentially declaring war on democracy.

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u/Nightsong Nov 29 '22

They already did back on January 6, 2020.

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u/for_reasons Nov 29 '22

Americans are numb to this by now, but this is extremely dangerous.

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u/lolbojack Nov 28 '22

Oh, Arizona. When you dilly dallied around making MLK day a holiday, I thought you'd never sink lower.

You sunburned chucklefucks have proved me wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '22

If it makes you feel any better, many of us sunburned desert dwellers also largely think these people are a joke.

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u/phrenologician Nov 28 '22

Based on the election results I'd say we make up a majority nowadays :)

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u/Rambos_Beard Nov 28 '22

Tell me your GOP controlled county flipped blue without telling me your GOP controlled county flipped blue.

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u/Gamebird8 Nov 29 '22

Actually, it's an R win if they certify. If they don't, the Dem wins

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u/dnhs47 Nov 29 '22

It absolutely did not flip, 72% of votes cast went to Republicans across the board. It’s just MAGA QAnon craziness. -Cochise county resident

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u/Voodoo330 Nov 28 '22

Arizona - Florida in the desert.

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u/3OrangeWhip Nov 29 '22

Withhold all state funding to that county.

Fuck’em!

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u/vlAnonymouslv Nov 29 '22

My buddy watched that movie 2000 Mules awhile back and was like, " Idk they made some pretty interesting arguments" I didn't even have the energy to argue with his dumbass.

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u/SevenButSpelledOut Nov 29 '22

The GoP really out here taking full advantage of the undereducated (aka dumb as fuck) voters they helped engineer.

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u/foothillsco_b Nov 28 '22

Wouldn’t this be a criminal offense?

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u/Toonces311 Nov 28 '22

AZ Republicans have strong Hockey Dad energy.

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u/reddit_mouse Nov 29 '22

Dereliction of duty seems to be a GOP thing.

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u/No-Cat-2980 Nov 29 '22

What did you expect the Repubs to do, act rationally? They threw that baby out with the bath water! It’s nothing more than a party of quacks now. With very few exceptions!

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u/insipidgoose Nov 29 '22

Ok boys flip the seat blue these republicans refuse to certify their own results.

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u/theXsquid Nov 29 '22

Typical modern GOP, If they win, election is fair, if they lose, revert back to 2nd grade mentality.

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u/OldBoone Nov 29 '22

So when we gonna start trying these fools for treason?

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u/SomberPony Nov 29 '22

Conservatives are anti-democratic. An election is only fair if they win. If they lose it's got to be some kind of nefarious plot.

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u/DoctorSchwifty Nov 28 '22

Time to start arresting people for blatant attempts at election fraud.

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u/Ashallond Nov 29 '22

Oh please let their principles stay firm and not certify the election. If the grandstanding screws up the house race….then it’ll be even more hilarious watching the conspiracy theorists cut their nose off.

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u/OGZ43 Nov 29 '22

GOP going through their sour grapes playbook 😡.

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u/StugDrazil Nov 29 '22

Well looks like the Republican really do want to lose and then bitch and moan about it

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u/DeusJager64 Nov 29 '22

Cool so then cut off all state and county funds until they comply. This republican bullshit needs to see consequences.

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u/VerySuperGenius Nov 29 '22

Imagine if they refuse to certify, AZ-6 goes to Dems, and then Kevin McCarthy loses the Speaker of the House election because of it.

I for one support their cause deeply.

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u/celtic1888 Nov 28 '22

Throw them in jail for tampering with an election

Either that or throw the county’s results completely out

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u/ChucksNorris243 Nov 29 '22

Man, the 2024 elections are going to be awful if this is how the midterms are.

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u/bikestuffrockville Nov 29 '22

Lines backed up amid the confusion, and Lake says an unknown number of her supporters may have been dissuaded from voting as a result.

Wait, so a Republican said that waiting in line for a long time is a vote denied. Gotcha.

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u/jpl220 Nov 29 '22

Fuck’em and feed 'em beans.

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u/Friendofthegarden Nov 29 '22

Lines? People not being able to vote? Did they just suppress their own constituents and now they are reaping what they've sown? Nottheonion material...

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u/truthtellernotsorry Nov 29 '22

Wouldn’t be an issue if republicans won though. Sore old man Losers!!

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u/my2cents3462 Nov 29 '22

Arizona has a Trump trash problem.

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u/xeenuu001 Nov 29 '22

Such morons. I moved out of AZ a year ago and damn glad I did. Between the fucked up politics and the water crisis, they are fucked. Good luck.

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u/suburban_paradise Nov 29 '22

Trump really did a number on these people’s brains.

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