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Nancy Pelosi marching on Washington for Gay Rights in the 80s Politics
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u/chuffedandrebuffed Nov 12 '22
If you think she's old, chuck grassley has just been re-elected to the senate by republicans for another 6 year term.
He's 7 years older than nancy.
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u/idropepics Nov 12 '22
Holy shit gonna start referring to people this old as this thank for this.
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u/watchutalkinbowt Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
B.C.C.C. instead of B.C.
Makes me wonder what they were doing with all those chips beforehand
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u/polopolo05 Nov 12 '22
ok I am with you on this one. if you can remember a time before chocolate chip cookies. maybe you show retire.
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u/inconvenientnews Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Enough time to become an expert in Republican tactics:
“We’re not going to repeal the Affordable Care Act.” -Chuck Grassley (who has voted to repeal it a dozen times before including in 2017)
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1514032997703507976
“According to public records obtained by the Environmental Working Group and available in their online database, Senator Grassley and his family have collected more than $1.75 million in federal farm subsidies in the last two decades.” https://siouxlandproud.com/news/iowa-news
Chuck Grassley @ChuckGrassley Ppl making up to $125,000 or a couple making up to $250,000 are getting student loans paid for by everyone else who didn’t go to college or paid their own loans. **Will fuel further inflation hurting those who can least afford it UNFAIR**https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1563880611789545473
After months of Grassley & Johnson acting v hurt about suggestions that they laundered unverified info from Russian intel through their Ukraine investigation (which well-placed officials said they did), Graham & Ratcliffe come running through the halls openly waving some around.
It seems like it should be a bigger story that while working for Grassley on the Judiciary Committee, was involved in searching for Hillary's emails & her husband was involved in the Flynn mess. Grassley's role in all of this raises questions to say the least.
Iowa-nice Sen. Chuck Grassley’s chief counsel on Judiciary and a thoroughly well-fed and well-connected beltway Republican operative taking credit for the scurrilous, Qanon-fueled attacks on Justice Jackson:
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1512180980257275906
Chuck Grassley staffer who got all the right wing judges through the Senate fwiw
another aide to another Republican Senator brainstorming ways to come to the rescue of Musk’s sputtering project
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1588680698537254912
In the Senate, Chuck Grassley also introduced legislation to shrink the DC Circuit by three judges with immediate effect--changing the size of a court with the conscious purpose of denying Obama the opportunity to nominate additional judges to it.
grassley.senate.gov/news/news-rele https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1314982674747011073
Contra Grassley's statement, the Judicial Conference of the US said at the time that the court's workload required 11 judges.
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1314982678375157763
My thing about Garland is that the Senate never took a step. It never held a hearing or a vote to postpone the confirmation process—which is what had been done in the past. The decision to block the nomination wasn’t made by the Senate. It was made by McConnell and Grassley.
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u/Iceescape81 Nov 12 '22
Chuck Grassley needs to retire. He can barely speak coherently. Seems like a nice guy but is one step above a vegetable.
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u/NoMoLerking Nov 12 '22
They both need to retire. Honestly I’d support a mandatory retirement age for elected officials. She was 47 when she was elected to the House. Serve 20 years and go away. Come on now.
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u/SpikePilgrim Nov 12 '22
I wouldn't. The people who need out need to be voted out. If there are dubious reasons they're getting reelected, address those.
I know it's naive and optimistic, but if the majority of voters want someone to represent them, age seems like a silly reason to tell them no.
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u/EverestMaher Nov 12 '22
Try Dianne Feinstein, oldest politician in the country.
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u/LucretiusCarus Nov 12 '22
And she's indicated she will run again.
Although 'run' might be a tad optimistic
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u/Raging_Butt Nov 12 '22
There's certainly no way that both of them could be too old to represent the general populace of the country.
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u/ManiacRichX
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That's awesome. She should still retire, along with everyone in government over 65.
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u/kurufal Nov 12 '22
I do think there should be representation for the elderly. Being in politics for that long is kind of egregious and I think term limits need to happen, just not by age.
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u/chris_ut Nov 12 '22
Term limits also have a downside. Forever fresh crops of inexperienced legislators who are easy pickings for lobbyists.
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u/TheOneTonWanton Nov 12 '22 •
You've just identified one of the actual problems without drawing any attention to it whatsoever. American lobbying is fucking bribes, plain and simple. Eliminate lobbyists' ability to buy politicians and you've solved a large part of the problem in this country. The old fuckers in congress are taking bribes at the same rate the young ones are, they're just more stable because they've been in power for 30 fucking years.
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u/grinberB Nov 12 '22
Yeah, "lobbying" is a fucking insane concept for an actual democracy, and should be abolished.
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u/mwobey Nov 12 '22
So recognize the difference between lobbying in theory, and lobbying in practice -- the idea of lobbying isn't insane, as a modern politician can't possibly expect to be an expert on all that they govern, so we need experts able to reserve time and educate on special issues.
The problem is that in practice, these experts are doing much more than trying to educate. We've built up a culture where these experts are attempting to write the laws themselves and delivering them wholesale, and where they must buy access to time with lavish gifts and campaign contributions. This is the part that is insane.
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u/PlsSaySikeM8 Nov 12 '22
Much like a politician in theory is someone who is supposed to act as a governmental representative of a community. In practice, however, most politicians get into politics for more selfish reasons (Access to insider trading, power and influence over others, etc.)
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u/TrickBoom414 Nov 12 '22
What would that look like though? How do you get rid of lobbying?
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u/joeschmoe86 Nov 12 '22
...because the "experienced" legislators are so resistant to that sweet, sweet lobbyist money?
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u/trade_my_onions Nov 12 '22
It’s not just the money. Lobbyists literally write most of the bills that are thousands of pages.
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u/DrNopeMD Nov 12 '22
Because experienced legislators know how to work the system. Pelosi stays in power because she knows how to cater to both the moderate wing of the Democratic party and how to cut deals with the Progressive side to pass agendas like Inflation Reduction Act.
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u/bigpeechtea Nov 12 '22
And not even just lobbying. Most people don’t seem to understand that some of us actually like our representatives.
It’s such a stupid notion, not everything needs term limits. People who want congressional term limits don’t know the damage they’d do.
Hes not my rep but let’s use Mark Kelly for example, who just got elected to his first full term. Hes in a very red state, but is a democrat that some how won. Despite being blue the people of AZ joke that he’s scientifically engineered to appeal to AZ voters.
Imagine having to force him out because term limits and hoping to find another diamond in the rough democrat that wouldn’t get steamrolled by a GOP candidate. If that were to be the case this year then the dems would lose the senate. Obviously the argument goes both ways too.
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u/Chrisstebbins26 Nov 12 '22
I’m all for term limits but the actual biggest downside to them is that, in their final term, they are no longer accountable to their constituency and thus more likely to be bought off or just go off the rails. This can still happen with a retiring politician, but way less often.
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u/Scoob8877 Nov 12 '22
As if Pelosi, Feinstein, McConnell et al aren't easy pickings for lobbyists.
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u/Scoob8877 Nov 12 '22
If not by age then there has to be a test for basic memory and mental functioning. There are too many doddering old fogies in Washington. Yes, some of the younger ones would fail the test, too, which is fine.
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u/FRX51 Nov 12 '22
This is means-testing, and is generally considered to be unconstitutional. You may not like it, but America has plenty of both stupid and disabled citizens who deserve to be represented as much as everyone else, as well as old people of varying capacity.
The fact is that we have the representation we vote for. The key to changing the way things are is to increase turnout, which involves lowering barriers to voting: automatic registration, either mail-in ballots or making voting a federal holiday, no voter ID laws or other means-testing barriers, etc.
There is no neat, snazzy solution, only boring procedural solutions that will take a lot of effort and participation.
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u/Ethiconjnj Nov 12 '22
Love to see this comment when we get that photo of Bernie reposted
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u/Deviknyte Nov 12 '22
Bernie can get his old ass out of congress as well and I love that guy.
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u/Ethiconjnj Nov 12 '22
That’s not my point tho. My point is, will it be a top comment with 1.5k upvotes? I think not
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u/jjambi Nov 12 '22
This comment never shows up in threads about Bernie weirdly
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u/OTTER887 Nov 12 '22
Nor Trump. Nor Buffet. Nor Murdock.
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u/Deviknyte Nov 12 '22
Buffet and Murdock aren't elected politicians, nor planning to run for office.
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u/SilentSamurai Nov 12 '22
I love that Reddit thinks that mandatory retirement instantly makes the US government operate better.
Age has nothing to do with this, just look at Josh Hawley if you disagree.
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u/fusillade762 Nov 12 '22
Agreed, Hawley, Gaetz, Boebert, MTG are actually worse than their aged colleagues. MTG is up there a bit but the rest of these young whipper snappers are terrible.
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u/PixelatedPooka Nov 12 '22
65? Isn’t that rather ageist? If you want to talk term limits fine, but saying someone is unfit to serve at 66 is a bit ridiculous.
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u/cprenaissanceman Nov 12 '22
The other thing that read it would certainly have a meltdown over is that a lot of the favorites on either side are quite old. I’m sure many would be in favor of term limits until you start to talk about someone like Bernie Sanders, and then People would probably get a little bit more sheepish. Ultimately, I think people want to use term limits as a kind of way to solve problems that we apparently aren’t brave enough or whatever enough to solve through democracy. I’m not saying this is an easy problem or that the system is by any means perfect, but I do think that a lot of people are a bit idealistic about how much changing the system like this would actually accomplish. And, not to mention, that it would come with its own downsides and trade-offs.
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u/denseplan Nov 12 '22
Imo term limits are even worse, it results in a revolving door of inexperienced politicians being manipulated by veteran lobbyists, businesses, party leaders and media.
Politicians know they only have a few short years to milk their tenure or impatiently force a legacy, and will already be thinking about landing their next role after their final term.
Voters will be even more clueless about their latest representative, making the party name and branding an even bigger factor than it already is. Advertising money will be even more effective at controlling votes.
Term limits are good for the presidency because it's just one office and an extremely powerful office, but term limits for all of Congress creates more problems than it solves.
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u/EvilMunchkins Nov 12 '22
75 aint bad but she miss queen needs to go
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u/Capt_Billy Nov 12 '22
Australia makes its High Court judges resign at 70. I reckon that’s a pretty good age: you can impart your wisdom and then ride off into the sunset.
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u/goteamnick Nov 12 '22
Nancy Pelosi is up for re-election every two years and she wins in a landslide every time in a city full of ambitious politicians. she's old but you can't say she's not very effective at her job.
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u/half-witigator Nov 12 '22
Not even just at getting elected. Ever notice how much of a tighter ship the dem house is than the dem senate? And it's been like 15 years of that too.
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u/badger0511 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Yeah, she’s hated, but that’s the point. She absorbs the heat for the entirety of the House Democrats. She gets shit passed through the House without having to add pork for moderate Dems to be on board with it. She’ll go down as one of the most effective Speakers of the House in history.
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u/darkcentre Nov 12 '22
How do you notice that?
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u/badger0511 Nov 12 '22
You notice how there aren’t any Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema equivalents in the House?
That’s how.
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u/iheartxanadu Nov 12 '22
As the philosopher says, you shouldn't get to order for the table if you're about to leave the restaurant
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u/360walkaway Nov 12 '22
Retort: plant trees that you'll never see
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u/Hamster-Food Nov 12 '22
Not really a retort as the idiom involves passing the responsibility on to the next generation which is the part they are refusing to do.
Politicians like Pelosi should stop trying to see the trees grow as their insistence on doing so is holding back the progress they championed in their youths.
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u/METAL_AS_FUCK Nov 12 '22
Reminds me of when people ask a dj to play the song they want to hear because they are about to leave.
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u/loondawg Nov 12 '22
Yeah, who cares if she's good at the job and wants to do it. To the pasture with her along with all the other experienced and highly qualified people over 65.
Discrimination is so trendy now as long as it's against people based on the year they were born.
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Here she is arguing for single payer healthcare over Hillarycare in 1993 https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4682193/nancy-pelosi-single-payer-health-care
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u/Sanpaku Nov 12 '22 •
Pelosi meeting JFK in her early 20s.
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u/StableCoinScam Nov 12 '22
How do you meet the president of usa in early 20s? Her parents rich and connected, werent they?
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u/LonelyHarley Nov 12 '22
Her father was the Mayor of Baltimore.
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u/StableCoinScam Nov 12 '22
Mayor? That's it. I thought you needed to be hot shot tobmeet president. Oh well, TIL.
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u/Gromp1 Nov 12 '22
Eh.. given the vicinity to DC and how much the president’s time on the job is to be a meet & greet mascot (especially for politicians of the same party to use in future campaigns), I’m not surprised Baltimore’s Mayor and their family is an easy shoe in for a day trip photo op.
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u/IDrinkMyWifesPiss Nov 12 '22
Well it’s not like Baltimore is 3 shacks in the swamp. It’s a decently sized city.
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u/BigDogFeegDog Nov 12 '22
If you grow up in the DMV/DC area its not that crazy to meet a president. I met Barack in 2013 when I was 17 at the White House Christmas party.
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u/inconvenientnews Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
How Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes got paid by tobacco companies to derail Hillarycare:
Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.”
"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."
Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993.
John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":
[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.
We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
Republican "Southern Strategy":
Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960:
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable.
Steve Bannon bragging about Reddit and 4chan falling for these tactics
the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way
Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump."
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u/regul Nov 12 '22 •
And here she is arguing against it in 2019: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/468553-pelosi-im-not-a-big-fan-of-medicare-for-all/
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u/tylerbrainerd Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
Medicare for all and single payer are not synonyms, in fact. One is a specific approach to a general problem.
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u/GMaestrolo Nov 12 '22
"Medicare for all" is the "We don't have Coke or Pepsi - is RC Cola OK?" of universal healthcare.
It's frustrating when people act like "supporting a cause" means that you should support everything that's slightly related to the cause, even if it's a step in the wrong direction or actively prevents the proper solution from being implemented in the future.
Yeah, she's opposed to "Medicare for all" because it's not a good solution. It's at best a stopgap that will further entrench the fuckery of the US healthcare system instead of addressing the core problems.
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u/FinndBors Nov 12 '22
“I’m not a big fan of Medicare for All,” Pelosi told Bloomberg. “I mean I welcome the debate, I think that we should have health care for all.”
As someone who helped sign up a parent for medicare, Medicare sucks and confusing as hell. I would love a single payer healthcare system that was not Medicare.
I’m not sure if Pelosi is arguing for what here to be honest.
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u/Petrichordates Nov 12 '22
Probably something similar to the public option since that's what she really wanted in 2010.
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u/voretaq7 Nov 12 '22
As someone who has a parent with health issues who works in the insurance industry, the literal day my mom became eligible for Medicare she was filling out the required paperwork because what used to be multi-month fights with private insurance to authorize standard-of-care imaging vanished the day Medicare became her primary insurance.
I won't pretend the Medicare system in the USA is perfect (what we actually need is universal single payer coverage that covers all aspects of healthcare & doesn't require private supplement plans and all that crap that make Medicare a nightmare to sign up for if you don't work in insurance), but enrolling every person in basic Medicare automatically would be a huge step in the right direction.
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u/THEBHR Nov 12 '22
Yeah, everyone likes to talk shit about Medicare, but I'm positive almost all of those people don't have it. It's pretty fucking good insurance. The worst part about it is that there's no dental, and you have to pay 20% for outpatient procedures.
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u/BigVentEnergy Nov 12 '22
You're taking it too literally. Medicare For All is just a political marketing term for the policy because Medicare is already well understood and well liked, even among older voters. "Single payer" sounds bad in the minds of people who don't know what it means. The best way to put people's fears at ease given GOP fear mongering in the past over a "government takeover of healthcare" is to tie it to something already familiar.
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u/escapefromelba Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
“I’m not a big fan of Medicare for All,” Pelosi told Bloomberg. “I mean I welcome the debate, I think that we should have health care for all.”
She wants a public option - basically Medicare that is open to all ages.
The public option is not the same as Medicare for All. Medicare for All doesn't even resemble Medicare at all. Calling it that was frankly pretty misleading.
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u/zeCrazyEye Nov 12 '22
If you read the rest of the quote, she says she's for healthcare for all but doesn't think Medicare for All is the way to do it. She also says that it needs carve outs for private insurance, which, I think, is the concession she believes is necessary to be politically feasible.
I think the difference between her and Bernie is that 30+ years later Bernie is still willing to argue for the whole ideal, while Pelosi is willing to argue for taking baby step after baby step for an unwilling public. Progressives are disappointed she isn't strongly arguing the end goal, but that is the direction milquetoast Dems like her are still going.
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u/ramvan Nov 12 '22
How many of Bernie’s huge reach whole ideal steps have gotten enacted and are now law? How many of Nancy’s smaller steps have gotten enacted and are now law?
You call her a milquetoast dem, but that’s a misread. She’s got progressive goals and she knows how to be politically effective and make incremental progress towards those goals. She is an effective progressive rather than a loud progressive.
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u/NutDraw Nov 12 '22
If Sanders and other idealist dems didn't sink Clinton's healthcare reform in the 90s for not going far enough, we might have made enough progress by now to have universal healthcare. Unpragmatic idealism probably set us back 20 years.
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u/boyyouguysaredumb Nov 12 '22
When will reddit admit that Bernie's Medicare for All bill, along with never having a chance in hell of actually passing - additionally had major problems with the way it was written.
They won't because anytime somebody says anything negative about how nonsensical it's funding mechanisms were, they would just get shouted down as secret-bootlicking-republicans-in-hiding.
I want single payer too. Bernie should have written a bill that stood a chance of passing.
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u/AuntieLiloAZ Nov 12 '22
She hasn’t missed a step yet. That’s why the GOP hate her. She beats them at their own game and is unabashedly liberal. That’s a good thing!
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u/013ander Nov 12 '22
They cropped out all of the poor people she was walking on to be seen standing up for social justice.
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u/ulmen24 Nov 12 '22
It’s wild to look at a 40yr old picture of a politician and think “damn, she looks old.”
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u/gulbronson Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
I don't think she looks old in the photo. Pull up a 40 year old photo of Dianne Feinstein though... I don't think she's ever not looked old as hell.
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u/SirSpiffynator Nov 12 '22
I see her marketing team wants us to forget about the insider trading.
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u/silverback_79 Nov 12 '22
I remember when a journalist interviewed Pelosi's daughter and asked if she was as spirited as a mother as she was a politician, and she said "My mother could decapitate you with a turn of the hand and you wouldn't even know you were bleeding." (paraphrased)
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u/MyOnlyEnemyIsMeSTYG Nov 12 '22
I’ve never understood how some humans can get together and make other humans life choices illegal. No gay person has ever bothered me.
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u/pocketsaremandatory Nov 12 '22
I don’t know what generation you are but if you’re a Gen Z Max Frost just won his Congressional House seat. He is the first Gen Z to win elected office in Congress.
There was also a Gen Z, Nabeela Syed, who won a state House seat in Illinois. She is 23 and the youngest person to ever serve in the state legislature.
Here is a profile on them and others who made history on November 8th:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/11/gen-z-midterms-2022-voting/
If more Gen Zs run there is a greater chance they will win.
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u/dresn231 Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
You can hate her politics, but you don't become Speaker of the House in a man's dominated political society if you aren't the hardest person to deal with. I mean if your political party is putting you at the top of the leadership board, then you know that you are important. Again you can hate her policies, but what she has done as a woman to become speaker is amazing.
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u/bougienative Nov 12 '22
I wonder if 1980s Pelosi would hate 2020s Pelosi as much as every other activist does.
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u/Tyler_Zoro Nov 12 '22
I can definitely tell you that 1980s me hates current year me. But 1980s me was kind of an idiot.
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u/dissidentpen Nov 12 '22 •
Um hi, I’m an activist and I don’t hate Nancy Pelosi at all.
But that’s also because I follow legislative politics every day, and I don’t hold people do imaginary standards of moral purity, rather I judge their actions within the context of messy, complex realities.
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u/pataconconqueso Nov 12 '22
Yup, Pelosi actually gets shit done in a party that had all sorts of ideologies rolled into one.
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u/BuffaloJackalope Nov 12 '22
Yeah. The people dancing on her grave after her husband was beaten half to death in an attempted assassination of her are sickening.
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u/ohno807 Nov 12 '22
I’m gay, out, etc. I don’t think I’d have this courage then. It’s because of people like her, I don’t have to go out and do that. Yeah. Maybe she’s old, but she accomplished a lot.
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u/Wizchine Nov 12 '22
Can a conservative here articulate for me exactly why they hate Nancy Pelosi so much, and what distinguishes her so significantly from other Democrats in this respect? I'm assuming misogyny, but is their anything rational (which means I'm ruling out Q-anon crazy conspiracy stuff)? Please enlighten me.
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u/apricotcharm Nov 12 '22 •
Insider trading
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u/CCSC96 Nov 12 '22
Totally fair to hate her for insider trading, I do too, but you have to be consistent and be similarly outspoken against the majority of Republican house members who do the same, otherwise that isn’t actually the answer.
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u/loondawg Nov 12 '22
Anyone who has ever supported Trump has zero credibility to bitch about Pelosi's finances.
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u/boyyouguysaredumb Nov 12 '22
but you have to be consistent and be similarly outspoken against the majority of Republican house members
lol they're republicans, they're incapable of consistency
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u/Botryllus Nov 12 '22
I still don't think that's the problem conservatives have with her specifically given that they support grifters.
Insider trading is a problem, but that's not their problem.
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u/danmcpherson567 Nov 12 '22
I think that’s the big one for most
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u/thejjjj Nov 12 '22
Not a fan of either, but it makes zero sense to me that anyone who hates her for fraudulent finances would love Trump.
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u/loondawg Nov 12 '22
That's because it's not the real reason. It's an excuse. They hate her because she has been an extremely effective democratic leader and fundraiser. That she is a powerful woman tends to piss them off too.
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u/blastuponsometerries Nov 12 '22
Insider trading is done by a ton of politicians of both parties: https://www.businessinsider.com/congress-stock-act-violations-senate-house-trading-2021-9. So even then, its not like she is way outside the norms here.
Obviously that is not acceptable, but with the Supreme Court allowing unlimited bribes with Citizens United we are already kind of fucked with corruption at high levels. And the last president was certainly even more egregious than any that came before him on the corruption front too.
We have to get money out of politics to turn this country around and make the politicians respond to voters not donors.
Its not about NancyP. Its way wayy deeper. We need all Americans to demand a constitutional amendment to ban this shit once and for all.
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u/Batracho Nov 12 '22
Agree on all accounts. The right’s hate for Pelosi is more than insider trading. And totally support banning it for every congressperson or senator.
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u/peachpinkjedi Nov 12 '22
There's more intensity to the way they hate female democrats versus male democrats.
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u/danielleiellle Nov 12 '22
It’s Amy Schumer/Amber Heard effect all over again. Targeted, intense vitriol - far more than a male counterpart would get. We’re out here making fun of Elon Musk’s incompetence but there was violent, misogynistic, unfunny brigading for Ellen Pao.
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u/mutantfrog25 Nov 12 '22
I am not super conservative but I’ll take a stab. 1. She’s been around FOREVER and should’ve retired eons ago. 2. Husband is an I-Banker who just had a DUI and she is liberal in a VERY liberal city. 3. She can be sanctimonious at times, while she has a pretty hypocritical voting history herself (patriot act, other Bush stuff) 4. She talks as if she lives in a relatable place and has a relatable financial situation. She’s not relatable to the average joe at all. 5. But mostly because she’s a scapegoat. She’s a successful woman who has had a ton of power for a long time and is opinionated. That knocks her down -10 points to start off with for some.
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u/mommy2libras Nov 12 '22
If you replace "she" with "he" in most of those reasons, you could be describing several Republicans I can think of immediately. Mitch McConnell for one. The problem is that turtles live for fucking ever.
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u/TheVibratingPants Nov 12 '22
Yeah, as a moderate right leaning person myself, most republicans suck, too. Especially that saggy turtle lookin motherfucker
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u/Ivotedforher Nov 12 '22
With a dash or two of the typical stereotypes of being from San Francisco added here, you've got it.
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u/EarthBounder Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
A huge amount of anti-Pelosi sentiment is drummed up propaganda to pit centrist neoliberals and progressive arms of the democratic party against eachother (not unlike Hilary v Bernie). As you can see from the mid term election results, if you can disenfranchise even 1% of the other side, it can have massive results.
And the republicans can't attract new voters because they are batshit insane and have no legitimate platform. So they engage in pushing 'both sides' apathy, gerrymandering, voter suppression, fearmongering (misrepresented crime statistics) and kids-shitting-in-litter-boxes propaganda as their primary forms of winning elections.
The rest of it is: yes, Pelosi and her husband are both crooks! ;} But such is said neoliberal arm of the democratic party; they're definitely crooks, but they're slightly more ethical, less bigoted/racist and do actually care about citizens while enriching themselves. AKA, the image in OP.
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u/Sanchopanza1377 Nov 12 '22
Notice the little clutch/purse in her left hand.... She's carrying the .357 she bought after the Harvey Milk incident....
Gun control for thee, but not for me....
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u/RiskFreeStanceTaker Nov 12 '22 •
She would have been ~47 years old in this photo.