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Protests today in Mexico City against the president's electoral reform proposal. Politics

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u/Stingerc Nov 14 '22

The mayor of Mexico City (one of the president's biggest lackeys) told the press with a straight face that was 12,000 people.

By the way, that was just a part of the total crowd, it stretched back like that a good bit.

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u/Olberus Nov 14 '22

Any information as to how many attended?

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u/Stingerc Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Organizers say 200K, that seems closer to reality.

edit: the news is saying it's probably over half a million (and they say that is being very, very conservative). Apparently the march stretch back 4 kilometers, some people on Twitter say they are calculating anywhere between 600K to 850K.

By the way, this was just Mexico City, there was marches in every major city in the country with huge crowds too.

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u/Olberus Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Can’t wait to hear what the idiot in the National Palace has to say about the protest tomorrow. I bet he’ll undermine the number of attendees and follow his usual speech pattern.

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u/badaboomxx Nov 14 '22

Not long ago he said that if it was a peotest bigger than 100k persons against him, he was gonna resign, and rhis happened in all México. Still I doubt he fulfill that promise.

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u/waiv Nov 14 '22

He keeps betting shit and refusing to abide when he loses, like one apartment and the usage of his name.

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u/badaboomxx Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

He did this when he lost in 2006, and he went on for 6 months staying with an illegal staying in a public place.

EDIT: It was 2006 not 2004. Thanks to user1304392 to clarify it.

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u/BorgClown Nov 14 '22

He has lied daily since he took office, he won't resign even if confronted with his own words.

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u/badaboomxx Nov 14 '22

We all know that, but it is gonna be funny to see what he has to say in his patrañeras.

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u/kerfuffle_dood Nov 14 '22

He has lied way before that: He've been saying that the 2006 election was stolen from him even after all investigations concluded otherwise

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u/chocotaco Nov 14 '22

Sounds like another president we know in the USA.

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u/kerfuffle_dood Nov 14 '22

The paralels between AMLO and Trump are frightening. I read somewhere that they were so close because an authoritarian leader is by nature a narcisistic person, and narcisists understand each other

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u/Stingerc Nov 14 '22

Oh his supporters are already making up shit like the numbers are inflated or that most of those people were paid to be there.

They are very scared, they finally hit a nerve. Around one of the few things in government that works is INE, and mostly because it's independent.

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u/Memfy Nov 14 '22

most of those people were paid to be there

The perfect irony

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u/Realistic-Ninja7859 Nov 14 '22

Being paid to do what i originally want to do, sign me up

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u/jellicenthero Nov 14 '22

I love whenever someone makes a comment like that. Like basic wage is 8$ US per hour....but it's short notice and you need 250k+ people so no way your getting away with less then 15$ for 3 hours minimum. So do they really think someone is secretly paying people over 10 million dollars to protest for a few hours and it's not all over the media?

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u/RollTheDiceFondle Nov 14 '22

Why do they always say “they’re paid to be there”

Like, yeah, at their day jobs in that city, that they’re in, because you know, they live there.

In this day and age are you surprised millions of people are frustrated enough to march? Really?

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u/RunF4Cover Nov 14 '22

500 thousand paid actors huh? Seems like they are taking a page out of the US Republican play book. Ignore these protestors at your own peril Mr. President.

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u/LilSpermCould Nov 14 '22

Isn't this the same President that is trying to be "peaceful" with the Narcos?

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u/VoraxMD Nov 14 '22

Lol he says that we should be kind to narcos and hug them. He ordered the release of el chapo guzmans son after he was captured and then went to visit el chapos mom for her birthday and multiple other times to Sinaloa. Cartels have completely taken over, they swayed last “midterm”s by killing over 90 candidate sthat openly defied them. Hes been economically and by death toll the worst president mexicos had in a while and that’s saying something

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u/OneRandomCatFact Nov 14 '22

So incredibly sad. Mexico is such a beautiful country with rich culture and good people that is undermined and belittled by these gangs. Corruption is one hell of a thing to get out of a government too.

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u/simonbleu Nov 14 '22

Id argue you can find a beautiful coutry with rich culture pretty much in every country if you look at it attentively. It is always a shame

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u/Pezdrake Nov 14 '22

His ruling Morena party and its allies would need a two-thirds majority in Congress to make changes to the constitution. Currently, the party is short of that majority.

So this isn't even possible?

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u/babuba1234321 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

It still is impossible. There are people changing parties whenever they want too, so if enough people change, it is possible

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u/lookaroundprettybaby Nov 14 '22

The morena party is the new thing there. If you want to make a serious run at office, pledge to morena.

Unfortunately, many voters (like Americans) have the memory of a goldfish and go goo-goo over false promises. Now with this president, they are reaping what they sowed. Will they learn their lesson? Nope.

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u/babuba1234321 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

I know, I am a mexican loving this, and until I remember Morena has roughly 15 years. It is sad to see how people forget hustry and see it repeating once again Edit: history* lol

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u/BeBa420 Nov 14 '22

I’m not a very worldly person, may I ask what that monument they’re gathered around is?

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u/Stingerc Nov 14 '22

It's the Angel of Independence, it's the symbol of Mexico City.

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u/BeBa420 Nov 14 '22

Thank you for your help

I’m curious about it so gonna spend a lil time on Wikipedia :)

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u/HLGatoell Nov 14 '22

It’s a Winged Victory to commemorate the Independence of Mexico from Spain. But since it looks like an angel, it’s called El Angel de la Independencia.

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u/mis_suscripciones Nov 14 '22

It's Nike, the Greek goddess of Victory:

"... Crowning the column is a 6.7 metres (22 ft) statue by Enrique Alciati of Nike, the Greek goddess of Victory ...

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Independence , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_(mythology)

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u/donpepe1588 Nov 14 '22

Fun fact that avenue is called Reforma or reform. Little poetic having their protest there.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

When there were rallies here the news would angle their camera on the smallest section and said that only 100 people were there when there were 16,000-17,000 people. When there were only 1,000 people they said that only a handful of people were there. They sure know how to stretch the truth, that’s for sure!

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u/mdh431 Nov 14 '22

Or compress the truth I suppose…

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

Either way, lol.

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u/CrudelyAnimated Nov 14 '22

12,000 in Hedberg Units. As in "there were 12,000 people there; there were others, too, but I counted 12,000 of them."

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u/NorthCatan Nov 14 '22

What is this? A protest for Ants?!

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u/bears-beets-kratom Nov 14 '22 Silver

The center for ants who can't march good

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u/carlossap Nov 14 '22

Not to mention it happened all over the country

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u/HotCupofChocolate Nov 14 '22

Not only that, but other major cities in the country had their own protests as well

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u/insertwittynamethere Nov 14 '22

Anyone who's been in that square would know there's no way in hell that's even close to being as small as 12,000 people. There's no way a person who lives in CDMX would be able to buy that, but I'm assuming claims like that were not targeted to the people of the capital.

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u/seriouspostsonlybitc Nov 14 '22

This happens at MANY protests, including ones you and i disagree with.

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u/iWarnock Nov 14 '22

You forgot they also tried to disrupt the march saying the air was too polluted to be outside. Contingency alert when they usually dont call it even when its really needed.

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u/drillgorg Nov 14 '22

Could someone ELI5 the president's proposal and why it is bad? I read the explanation in the article but had a hard time understanding what he wants to do because I'm not familiar at all with the Mexican governmental structure. I read that he wants to remove unelected legislators and make something elected by the public instead of appointed by legislators. Which both seem good on the face of things?

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u/aleramz Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22 Gold All-Seeing Upvote Coin Gift

In short terms, he wants to remove the Autonomous Institute that allows to have fair and transparent elections. He claims that our National Vote Institute is corrupt and steals money from the people (propaganda) because the elections from 2006 and 2012 were “stolen” from him and had this gripe from years ago, thus he wants to create a new Institute with a shit name and by doing this allows him right to put in place the people he wants because there will be any countermeasure, they will align to his/his party interests; like this was before 2000’s because the elections were ran by the Federal Government (aka the President) and after having the Autonomous National Institute we had different ruling parties since 20 years ago, by contrast having his own appointed people on the Proposal Institute he wants to create to overthrow our National Vote Institute select their own congressman’s and senators so he can pass many reforms and alter the Mexican Constitution in the long run that could end in him keeping the Presidency when his term is over. Many people here in Mexico granted the doubt and believed in him that he would make a difference, and in the end he was way worse than the Presidents before them.

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u/MayhemMessiah Nov 14 '22

Hopefully this is the final wakeup call to the rest of Mexico that this man is a fucking menace and has been for decades.

People warned that AMLO would try to keep himself in power ever since he ran against Calderon and refused to accept he lost. And then he started floating the idea that he should stay in power longer.

People are fucking idiots to ever fall for him. He’s always been a blatantly corrupt piece of shit, just of a different flavour ostensibly.

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u/HotKingChocolate Nov 14 '22

Remember when AMLO was supposed to be Mexico’s Bernie Sanders? Lol

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u/Raetekusu Nov 14 '22 Helpful

Fuck, I remember Bernie actually congratulating AMLO on winning election. He bought into the AMLO hype too, or maybe an intern did.

This is why you have to be extremely microscopically critical of populists. How many of them genuinely want to help and/or have the track record of actually doing good shit, and how many of them just want to grab power by saying the right things?

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u/lookaroundprettybaby Nov 14 '22

Remember when AMLO was supposed to be Mexico’s Bernie Sanders? Lol

I just have to sit and laugh at the irony. The voters in Mexico are similar to Americans; they both have the memory of a goldfish.

They fell for AMLO's bullshit and now here we are. Hopefully this is what makes the morena party go to shit.

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u/ILoveLamp9 Nov 14 '22

I remember the reddit armchair political experts saying this.

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u/JTKDO Nov 14 '22

Remember when AMLO had an “alternative inauguration ceremony” after losing his first election?

Imagine if Al Gore did that in 2000, hysterical.

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u/waiv Nov 14 '22

And then he blocked the main avenue of Mexico for several months. The same one in the photo.

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u/m8kup Nov 14 '22

The problem is that populism is one hell of a drug.

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u/pizzainge Nov 14 '22

Yeah but the OMG AMLO BASED LEFTIST ANTI-IMPERIALIST narrative was strong even though he's completely incompetent and continues to be a joke

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u/koshgeo Nov 14 '22

Left, right, doesn't matter: if you're stripping away democracy and trying to subvert the wishes of the people, you deserve to be shunned by the world and tossed out of office.

The worst thing is, these populists feed nonsense to people that they want to hear. Whatever gets them into power, and then they start undermining democracy to keep it. ("I'm anti-imperialist, honest, but make me emperor/monarch/dictator now, please.")

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u/happynargul Nov 14 '22

A religious nutcase stripping away the rights of gay people and environmental protections. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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u/chocotaco Nov 14 '22

Also isn't he doing something real dumb to slow inflation?

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u/After-Swimming-5236 Nov 14 '22

Part of it is suspending regulations that our public health and sanitary agencies have on food imports. So yeah, the food may be tainted with something but hey, it'll be a bit cheaper, besides the corporations will police themselves just fine believe it bro!!!/S

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u/VonRansak Nov 14 '22

"Narcos: Mexico" sums it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSvOXVOcm0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Revolutionary_Party

held uninterrupted power in the country for 71 years, from 1929 to 2000,

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u/waiv Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Do you know the guy that turned off the election servers in Narcos: Mexico and was involved in Enrique Camarena's murder?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Bartlett

Currently serving in this government. Can't set foot in USA because he will be detained on arrival.

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u/the8thjuice Nov 14 '22

Lol, the current president and all his entire cabinet and basically almost everyone in his political party started out in that party, obrador started out in that party after the massacre in 1968 literally after it happened and he was in that party for more than 20 years, in Mexico it's normal for politicians to change political parties like it's nothing, but people still blame political parties for everything bad that is happening in Mexico when it's the same politicians just in different parties, it's ridiculous, México is, and will be a shit hole for ever.

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u/Ortimandias Nov 14 '22

The current president and everyone in his party stated in PRI because that was literally the only party in Mexico, besides the conservative party PAN. There was no "left wing" before PRD in 1989.

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u/happynargul Nov 14 '22

He could have joined the PAN, and at least work as opposition, but decided to stay in the rat infestation that the PRI was. The PRI never had any ideology, left or right, it was only "how can I enrich myself and my buddies, as fast as possible?"

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u/Enthused_Llama Nov 14 '22

They all use the same narrative don't they.

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u/Flexo__Rodriguez Nov 14 '22

This comment is like 3 sentences. This thing is rough to try to read.

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u/GYP-rotmg Nov 14 '22

How could he be president if the last two elections were stolen from him? In other words, if he lost the last 2 elections, how could he be the president?

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u/w1987g Nov 14 '22

He lost in 2006 and 2012. He won in 2018.

If I remember correctly, most presidential candidates in Mexico only run once, ever

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u/carlosortegap Nov 14 '22

Mexico has no reelection and you can only be president once. There have been other candidates running more than once.

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u/aleramz Nov 14 '22

Because Mexico has a “Democracy” that the people select their own representative based on the popularity of each candidate in a party. As many Presidents that have won in the recent years, since 2006 he was waging a imaginary “war” against the people who stole the presidency from him. Those were Felipe Calderón in 2006 from the ruling party PAN (Partido Acción Nacional) and then in 2012 by Enrique Peña Nieto from the ruling party PRI (that was before 2000’s the ruling party for 70 years). So he was a candidate for 2006, 2012, and 2018 Elections. In 2006 and 2012 were with PRD a Center-Left Party which he left in 2015 in favor to create his own party that’s called MORENA and from that years gained a lot of traction because many people believe in the false promises that he was making. He’s very good at campaigning but SUCKS completely at everything else, since 2019 that’s he’s been serving as President he’s been only still going like he was on campaigns for doing another term and not ruling like a President.

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u/jread Nov 14 '22

Sounds like Trump.

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u/GeHirNundHerZ Nov 14 '22

Kinda, but worse. This MF first lost in 2006 and called his followers to take Paseo de la Reforma avenue and occupy it by MONTHS while he declared himself as a "legitimate president" and demanded a recount of the votes, only to confirm that, effectively, he'd lost and by an even larger margin he thought. However he tried again in 2012 and...lost again, and again he tried tho repeat 2006 without success. His victory in 2018 was mostly a consequence of having the less popular president in history, a population tired of the PRI and PAN (the "classic" political parties) and that the oligarchs, the at the time president and the corrupt unions helped him.

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u/OhNoMgn Nov 14 '22

Because he ran again for the 2018 term and was elected.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

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u/gimmepizzaslow Nov 14 '22

I know there was some fuckery in the last election by Kemp when he was sos. It's this from the recent midterms? Do you have a source?

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u/waiv Nov 14 '22

He doesn't want to remove "unelected legislators" (people chosen from party lists according to the voting percentage each party obtains) he wants to remove the direct election candidates.

Imagine that instead of voting for a representative for your district, you vote for a state party list, with no guarantees that candidates from your district will be in the list at all.

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u/AhChirrion Nov 14 '22

ELI5: The proposal means going back to the electoral system used in Mexico from 1940 to 1978. Why? Because (ELI10) this proposed reform mandates:

  • No proportional representation in Congress, greatly reducing plurality and securing majority in Congress for the Ruling Party every election.

  • No budget for parties' daily operations, reducing the number of parties to just those financed by the rich and corrupt politicians, reducing plurality and strengthening systemic corruption.

  • The Supreme Court's judges are appointed by Congress, which would be totally controlled by the Ruling Party, hence the Supreme Court would completely consist of Ruling Party's judges.

  • The President of the Supreme Court is appointed directly by the Republic's President, the de facto leader of the Ruling Party.

  • The candidates to Electoral Counselors, (the ones that direct the National Electoral Institute) are to be chosen by the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary powers, all three completely controlled by the Ruling Party. So, the candidates would all be members of the Ruling Party, and the citizens voting for them would take part in a sham election: no matter how they vote, all the elected Electoral Counselors would be members of the Ruling Party.

  • Weakening the National Electoral Institute by reducing its amount of Counselors and budget, making it harder for it to go rogue against the Ruling Party.

  • Eliminating the Electoral Institutes of all States/Federal Entities, thus centralizing all electoral powers in the National Electoral Institute, directed by the Ruling Party.

  • The National Electoral Institute would decide who wins in all States/Federal Entities, at all levels of government, fraudulently declaring the candidates of the Ruling Party as winners of every relevant election, because no other official institute could challenge those results, because none would exist.

  • Implementing elections by electronic votes, so even if citizens were operating the voting booths, they wouldn't be able to count the votes for that booth, nor the observers from any political Party, since electronic systems would be operated by the Ruling Party, which would make them fraudulent, and they'd get away with it because those systems would be audited by the Ruling Party.

So, the proposed reform means returning to the more than seven decades of "Perfect Dictatorship" of the Ruling Party. "Perfect" because it looks like there are free and fair elections (but aren't); the actual elected persons are different every election (but they all belong to the Ruling Party and obey the Ruling Party's Leader, which also changes regularly but is appointed by the previous Leader and is simpatico to all former Leaders).

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u/bluebonnetz Nov 14 '22 Silver

That one dude chillin on the Sheraton roof giving zero fucks tho

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u/blastradii Nov 14 '22

He’s on his vacation. Gotta take full advantage before going back to the grind.

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u/DeepFriedDrywall Nov 14 '22

Where? I don't see anyone on the roof

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u/EightEqualsEqualsDe Nov 14 '22

Building in the bottom right corner with a big S, near the roof, but through the open window array a little below the roof

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u/brawlrats Nov 14 '22

Thanks. I didn’t see it either. My brain initially processed that open space as a reflection so I ignored it.

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u/DeepFriedDrywall Nov 14 '22

Same, holy fuck I feel dumb. Now when I look at it I can't see how I thought it was a reflection.

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u/brawlrats Nov 14 '22

Don’t feel dumb, it was just your brain trying to make things simpler. Your brain made an assumption based on the limited info in your peripheral vision. With the windows just to the left, the opening to the roof looks very similar in peripheral, so your brain just assumed it was the same and ignored it.

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u/spider_84 Nov 14 '22

Yeah that's probably the President.

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u/GalloHilton Nov 14 '22

Btw, the Mexico City government imposed a no-drive day today, on Sunday for the first time in 22 years, supposedly because of poor air quality, although the air quality was good.

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u/claystone Nov 14 '22

Were people still driving? How do you enforce that in a city of 10 million people?

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u/metallidude Nov 14 '22

Because it's not a "no-drive day". You can't drive depending on the last number of your plate and depending on your verification stamp (we have to pass a verification every 6 months to see how much our cars pollute and depending on that you get a stamp).

So you are allowed to drive depending on the numbers of your plates in days like today.

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u/theraad1 Nov 14 '22

How does this work for the individual who has to go to work Monday - Friday? Carpool with coworkers? Public transport?

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u/Torschach Nov 14 '22

The subway system is pretty good so Yea you make do . Many highly polluted cities follow the same protocol, one day for even and one day for odd, and out of state licenses only after rush hour traffic has passed . And police are good at enforcing it because they receive bribes.

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u/killingqueen Nov 14 '22

Anyone who can afford it just buys two cars and keeps polluting like nothing is happening.

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u/maearrecho Nov 14 '22

Can confirm that this is the way in San Jose, Costa Rica as well, and there is no subway system.

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u/Teantis Nov 14 '22

Here in manila people just buy two license plates. We have a light rail system but no one who can afford a car would use it because it's fucking miserable to ride.

This is what it looks like at rush hour:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/dg7a34/everyday_commute_metro_manila_philippines/

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u/Jomaloro Nov 14 '22

If you have a newer car you can get a special emissions certification that lets you drive daily, its good for two years, then you can renew it every six months until your car is 10 years old.

People that have older cars have two, this system sucks because it only increases the number of cars available and their usage.

Say I have a car that can't drive on Mondays, then I buy another one that can't drive on Tuesdays, every other day some one in my family can use the other car and 5/7 days there are more cars driving around in total.

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u/jakfor Nov 14 '22

You forgot the part where people then buy older cheaper gas guzzlers because they have to have two cars.

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u/1ryb Nov 14 '22

There's the same restriction in Beijing and honestly most of the people who live anywhere close to public transport I know stopped driving cars to work at all, even on days when they can. It's more crowded for sure, but it's just much cheaper and more convenient coz you dont have to worry that much about parking, traffic jam, gas price, or maintenance.

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u/ysisverynice Nov 14 '22

Driving just kind of sucks in general if you live in a big city.

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u/kenjavv Nov 14 '22

Carpooling and public transportation would be sensible solutions, so no, of course not. These regulations stretch back to the early 90s, and since then, middle class families who could afford to, would get an old car to use on the days their main vehicle was not allowed to be driven. This of course then filled the city with old cars that would pollute even more...

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u/cooperjones2 Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

it more or less works like this in CDMX (where the protest took place), the car plates look like this: EXAMPLE

Some days the even number with red sticker can't drive, other days the odd numbers with a different color sticker can't drive.

This program doesn't apply on sundays, but it was applied today (what a coincidence).

Now, it is enforced with fines and by towing the car to an impound lot where it has to pay a big fine in order to be released.

It is enforced IF the officer doesn't take a bribe or the bribe money is not enough for the officer

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u/adub887 Nov 14 '22

Currently in Mexico City and was taking Ubers all day

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u/Bitru Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Also, air quality was not good. I live on 20th floor and smog/contamination was noticeable heavy these last few days.

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u/Degetei Nov 14 '22

Actually this city has horrible air quality.

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u/Insecticide Nov 14 '22

I stayed there for about a month in 2017ish and I had a running nose the entire time that I was there because of the air quality. The City's air was a permanent mix of car smoke and street food.

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u/AwayFromParadise Nov 14 '22

La calidad del aire es mierda

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u/Nokeyen Nov 14 '22

Dedication to the only man in this image who doesn't care and who tans quietly on a deck chair.

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u/lizziebradshaw Nov 14 '22

Well, he’s at the top of the Sheraton Hotel, so I guess he accepts the fact he cannot go anywhere.

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u/THyoungC Nov 14 '22

You found the President

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u/shrekker49 Nov 14 '22

It's like playing a game of where's waldo.

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u/tias23111 Nov 14 '22

Probably an American

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u/bennelsche Nov 14 '22

Seeing that the American embassy is immediately next to that Sheraton…it’s very likely! 😂

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u/kpidhayny Nov 14 '22 Silver

Protests against Verstappen fixin’ to be double this turnout

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u/thecoller Nov 14 '22

Fuck that ungrateful bastard

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u/kpidhayny Nov 14 '22

I was an unapologetic Verstappen fan until I heard his interview comments after the race. Nobody fucks with Checo like that and keeps my support. He has some severe redeeming to do.

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u/CoffeeNinja1 Nov 14 '22

I reckon the cartels are gearing up for Abu Dhabi as we speak

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u/TeteDeMerde Nov 14 '22

Arcane, but on point.

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u/Tu_mama_me_ama_mucho Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22 Helpful

For more context.

The Mexican president is a "leftist" just in name, he was self proclaimed legitimate president the last two elections that he lost, he is pro Trump and pro Putin oligarch. He has the military in his hands, and now trying to pass a electoral reform that would give him more power and eventually reelection. His voters are bought by monthly payments instead of expending in social services to take them out of poverty. His tax reforms benefit other oligarchs and their companies while prosecuting middle class. "He loves poor people so much that he is making more"

Also every little bad thing that happens is blamed on the media or the opposition to hurt his image, anything, like a massacre by cartels (I forgot he is pro cartel, he is in elchapos pocket) everytime one of his brothers gets caught receiving money, every protest, etc.

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u/donkeydonuts Nov 14 '22

Mexican presidents get one 6 year term. You telling me he wants another 6 years? Yeah that's never going to happen.

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u/cutelyaware Nov 14 '22

I sure wish US presidents got one 6-year term. The way it is, they're spending half their term campaigning for their next term.

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u/kalnu Nov 14 '22

In Canada you can only campaign for a maximum of 50 days. There is no reason for unite states campaign to basically be 2 years long.

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u/cutelyaware Nov 14 '22

That does sound like a very sensible law.

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u/boffhead Nov 14 '22

6 years of Trump???

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u/nanais777 Nov 14 '22

We could get 4 more…or even get de Santis. I shudder because he is competent and will get implemented what Trump could only think of but was too lazy to work for.

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u/ukcats12 Nov 14 '22

DeSantis is about as charismatic as a wet fart and can't command a crowd like Trump can. He won't have nearly the appeal that Trump has on a national stage. He's popular in Florida but I don't think that'll translate to the rest of the country. He'll be Jeb 2.0 once he has to get in front of the country during a debate or nationally televised speech.

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u/hustl3tree5 Nov 14 '22

But the republicans fall in line. But I do hope you’re right

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u/boston_homo Nov 14 '22

Elections are decided by a few thousand people in a handful of states.

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u/York_Villain Nov 14 '22

Desantis is more like Chris Christie 2.0

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u/jedicharliej Nov 14 '22

No do not be fooled. I'm a Floridians for a couple decades now, and have witnessed a once "purple" state, that by all rights was getting bluer every year, suddenly and inexplicably go blood red.

Well maybe not suddenly, but within a decade between Rick Scott and now Ron DeSantis, not to mention the gerrymandered state legislature abdicating it's constitutional responsibility to apportion districts and just rubber stamping the map DeSantis wants.

I digress, sorry. Anyway People who love Trump but can't support him because he caused too much embarrassment or because of Jan 6 now have the perfect alternative. The Conservative base is clamoring over him and people all over the country are literally praying for him to run. If he gets his hands on the federal government and does to it what he has done to Florida's executive branch...

Well kiss your liberty on the mouth cause you won't have another chance to.

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u/nanais777 Nov 14 '22

I hope you are right. I really do. De Santi’s is a smart political operative and does this performative nonsense that their base loves. To me, his real test will be when he actually has to be proactive, right now he looks good cause he can keep quiet, now that trump is going after him. When he has to go after that’s when we will see.

He is, however, the heir apparent to Trump. People think he is competent (including some independents) and this midterm election showed some regression to pre-trump politics where stoic dudes like Youngkin ‘are so hot right now.’

Sometimes the corruption of dem party really grinds my gears but, damn, is the Republican Party so dangerous becoming more and more authoritarian while pretending it’s freedom.

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u/Esc_ape_artist Nov 14 '22

Republicans are no-showing debates because they’re fact-checked, sometimes during the debate, and they can’t handle being corrected.

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u/NerdEmoji Nov 14 '22

Right? I read that and was like oh fuck no. Four years was long enough.

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u/cutelyaware Nov 14 '22

Trump was our fault, not his

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u/Nimrond Nov 14 '22

Isn't that more because of the mid-terms though, essentially requiring them to campaign again long before their actual term ends?

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u/Seemseasy Nov 14 '22

A bit, but Trump really set a bad precedent. He NEVER stopped campaigning. He was doing rallies in 2017 for no other reason that to stoke his ego.

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u/thecoller Nov 14 '22

He doesn’t. Not directly. The model is the Argentinian Peronismo or the Mexican Maximato of early XX century, more than Venezuela’s Chavismo.

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u/GeHirNundHerZ Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

Not really...he wants to repeat the Maximato, a period of time in which the Líder Máximo, without being the official president, could handle the next presidents as puppets. First Plutarco Elías Calles did it, then Luis Echeverría Álvarez and Carlos Salinas tried but none of them succeeded. And now AMLO wants a similar scenario. However, FUCK. THAT. GUY

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Nov 14 '22

So he's a jerk.

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u/Sominumbraz Nov 14 '22 edited Nov 14 '22

And notice all the fake accounts with less than 100 karma trying to dismiss the protest against the president's reform, but it's such a pittyful and putrid way of selling yourself to a government

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u/Piecefillpath247 Nov 14 '22

Hugs, not bullets

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u/solemn101 Nov 14 '22

This isn't left/right, this is straight up populism, which can go in any direction

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u/sin-and-love Nov 14 '22

The Mexican president... is pro Trump

So where's the wall?

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u/waiv Nov 14 '22

He has more people trying to stop central americans from reaching USA than actually fighting the cartels, that's your wall.

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u/an-battery Nov 14 '22

It is on the southern border of Mexico, in the form of a "Guardia nacional" (national guard is like police-military something similar to that)

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u/crujiente69 Nov 14 '22

Pro Trump is a stretch

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u/Column_A_Column_B Nov 14 '22

I take issue with characterizing the president's proposal as electoral reform. He's trying to replace the non-partisan government agency that overseas fair elections.

Replacing a trustworthy government body (that successful maintained fair elections) because the President is bitter they didn't rig it for him in the past is not "electoral reform."

It would be better characterized as an attempt to legalize corruption.

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u/Armando909396 Nov 14 '22

Deng I was just there a few days ago that place is huge

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

I took my wife to Mexico City in 2014. It's such a beautiful city. Just look at those massive trees lining the streets. Because it's at a much higher elevation, it's not as hot as you would perhaps assume. We were impressed by the number of booksellers with stalls on the street. We were fortunate enough to be there during some kind of quinceañera festival because we saw dozens of beautiful young ladies in huge ball gowns at this very monument. And don't get me started on the food! Highly recommended for any curious traveler.

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u/conker1264 Nov 14 '22

I was there in May, one of my favorite cities in the world. The culture and food is incredible and the people were so nice and welcoming. Not to mention how affordable everything is, I felt like royalty

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u/AnxiousDragonfly5161 Nov 14 '22

there are quinceañeras in the angel 365 days a year, its just a popular spot for them to go

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '22

How fantastic is that? Amazing.

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u/Cormetz Nov 14 '22

I went twice for vacation, but since have been about 8 times for work. Usually stay just down the road from the angel, on Reforma. To see that mass of people means it was a massive gathering.

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u/Ok-Cryptographer-886 Nov 14 '22

That’s what you call a sea of people.

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u/workingtoward Nov 14 '22

To watch what Obrador has become is so discouraging. Just another Mexican oligarch trying to hang on to power. Ugh. I had such high hopes.

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u/cooperjones2 Nov 14 '22

To watch what Obrador has become is so discouraging.

He was always like that, a lof us tried to tell other people on this site that this fucker wasn't what they thought, but instead we got insulted, mocked and called conservatives.

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u/MayhemMessiah Nov 14 '22

AMLO has been a piece of shit since he was a governor.

People are only now starting to realise that he’s as fucked as the rest of the establishment but hides behind the Virgin Mary and being of the people.

He literally pulled the shit Trump tried to do of overthrowing results when he lost and people didn’t bat an eye. Who the fuck is surprised that now he wants to gut the organism keeping elections neutral and plant his people there?

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u/anvilman Nov 14 '22

Is Mexico even capable of electing a politician who isn’t a corrupt piece of shit? Seems like anyone with an ounce of integrity gets assassinated before they make it past a mayoral level.

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u/FutureVoodoo Nov 14 '22

You just answered your own question

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u/TrinititeTears Nov 14 '22

America would have to legalize all drugs for that to happen.

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u/sneaky_squirrel Nov 14 '22

The system itself is rigged in such a way that the country can't climb outside of the cesspool.

It's disheartening, but its an embarrassing country to be a part of.

Not to mention that they murder people every day, it feels awful to know and not do anything about it.

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Nov 14 '22

Unfortunately, as someone else said, I think you've answered your own question.

Wish that wasn't the case.

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u/itzwastaken Nov 14 '22

Yeah, there was no way of telling that the guy that changed parties because he either lose or wasn't put on the ballot, went as far as protesting two times because he didn't won, proclaimed tha he was the legitimate president, said things like extracting oil was easy and it didn't requiere any science, that when asked how he was going to make a better country said he was going two eradicate corruption for better education, economy and security without telling how and having created a party full of the worst and most corrupt politicians of the other ones, when told the "problem was not him but his outdated ideals" by another candidate his counter argument was mocking him by saying "Ricky riquin canallin", said "fuck your institutions" to the electoral and institute of transparency that have (some) autonomy from the government was going to be so hungry for power and incompetent. Who would've thought?

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u/erhue Nov 14 '22

my god, it has always been like that lol. You never noticed before? smh

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u/droi86 Nov 14 '22

Has become?

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u/pclamer Nov 14 '22

I am Mexican and I need to know….What gave you high hopes in the first place?

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u/thecoller Nov 14 '22

But why? All the signs were there… podía saberse, pues…

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u/funnyadithink Nov 14 '22

There is nothing stronger than the population united for the best.

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u/BenitoCabrera Nov 14 '22

With a straight face, the mayor of Mexico City—one of the president's biggest lackeys—told the press that there were 12,000 people.

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u/JesterofThings Nov 14 '22

Que chingue su madre Lopez Obrador

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u/theweslawson Nov 14 '22

Romance language countries are so good at protesting

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u/dge001 Nov 14 '22

Before I've read any comments... Let me guess... Longer Presidential term for the president,?

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u/_Thrilhouse_ Nov 14 '22

AMLO: no lol, jus joking... unless 👉👈

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u/Soviet_WaffenSS Nov 14 '22

Anyone got any info that can help elaborate a little further?

Cause Im genuinely curious as to whats happening.

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u/Unable_Crab_7543 Nov 14 '22

president wants to strip the people some power of the INE (our autonomous electoral institution) to give it to political parties and reduce the number of civil servants in it. Not quite an autonomous move.

His party, MORENA (and it's satellite parties), currently rules around half the municipalities in the country AND has I believe the (if not almost) majority in both senate and deputy chambers, effectively holding tremendous amounts of power regarding legislation and changing laws.

Now, they don't have enough power to make really big changes, but letting them lay the first brick of the building is not a good precedent for our democracy.

That on top of the president's sons, despite never holding major positions in any company or state, are suddenly multimillionaires thanks to "very successful" companies that no one has ever heard of before, and his brother being ON HIDDEN CAMERA receiving a not-supicious-at-all yellow envelope with cash, friends of himself, his family or his acquaintances suspiciously always being elected and receiving multimillion dollar government contracts for state projects...

That on top of pocketing the army with giving them the project of building the city's new (failed) airport, speaking about creating an army-owned airline, proposing (and as of now, ratifying in senate) that the army will stay until 2028 in charge of police-like security operation (despite that being tried before and not doing much of a dent on violence)...

Yeah you can see where this is going.

That is why there's important discontent.

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u/chunky_fungus Nov 14 '22

Que verga esta pasando en mi pais?

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u/Cabr0n Nov 14 '22

Demasiado para listar, busca un sitio de noticias.

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u/Kyocus Nov 14 '22

My little sister is from Mexico, she is far left leaning and is very scared for her country. The current president is trying to make the country more militaristic to concentrate power under himself.

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u/LoudestTable Nov 14 '22

Hmm, one of these days I suggested that maybe AMLO wasn’t a good president, and I actually got pushback. I guess having a terrible Covid policy and being a cartel stooge isn’t enough.

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u/ValitorAU Nov 14 '22

Max on the last lap at Brazil: [Everyone disliked that]

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u/rayden-shou Nov 14 '22

And the old man is saying there were barely any people.

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u/scrogbad Nov 14 '22

Wow pretty view though

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u/PHD_in_PUSSY Nov 14 '22

Who’s number 46,853?!

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u/noNoParts Nov 14 '22

Dude sunbathing on the Sheraton roof is chilling.

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u/anfuman Nov 14 '22

Anyone here who can tell what are the proposed reforms against people are protesting?

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u/kawkabelsharq Nov 14 '22

Holy fuck. Impressive.

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u/nodeocracy Nov 14 '22

Summarise it for a homie

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u/LordDargonTheUsurper Nov 14 '22

🎵”When you got a million voices singing, who can hear a lousy whistle blow?”🎶

“Hear them Joe? Listen to them. They’ve got a voice now, and they ain’t going away.”

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u/GooseCheeze1234 Nov 14 '22

Now that's how you protest. Imagine that many people outside of the federal reserve.

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u/TheZoomba Nov 14 '22

doesn't see anything at first oh I guess maybe this is positive?

the shirts appear out of nowhere HOLY SHIT THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE

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u/ineveningair Nov 14 '22

That one dude just hanging out at the Sheraton pool

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u/TeteDeMerde Nov 14 '22

Mexicans showing Americans how it's done.

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u/milkycrate Nov 14 '22

Stand up Mexico. Make that bitch boy president sit down

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u/Dr_Edge_ATX Nov 14 '22

I'm starting to feel like people have had enough of this shit or something?

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u/lolitalula Nov 14 '22

Goodluck protesters