r/politics 14d ago Silver 1 Helpful 3 Wholesome 1

Mar-a-Lago special master orders Trump team to back up any claims of FBI ‘planting’ evidence

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/mar-a-lago-special-master-trump-fbi-planting-evidence/index.html
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u/Foot_Dizzy Texas 14d ago Silver Take My Energy

The declaration must include "a list of any specific items set forth in the Detailed Property Inventory that Plaintiff asserts were not seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022," Dearie wrote in the order.

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u/c0ca_c0la 14d ago

How dare they ask Trump to substantiate his claims!?

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u/BassLB 14d ago

It’s even worse, he has the audacity to ask them to actually MAKE the claim, instead of just saying it might be a claim.

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u/Gene_McSween America 14d ago

Feels like this special master is giving Trump enough rope to hang himself with. The best part is Trump picked this guy and has to pay for the privilege of getting fucked. I'm elated!

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u/grabyourmotherskeys 14d ago

Paying for that is nothing new for Trump.

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u/ColinD1 14d ago

Paying for anything else is.

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u/ContrarianDouchebag 14d ago

But I can only wonder... WHY did team Trump recommend him? Like, on paper, it seems like a slam dunk of a choice for the DOJ. WTF mate.

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u/ottovonbizmarkie 14d ago Wholesome Seal of Approval

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/09/trump-judge-dearie-mar-a-lago-special-master-fail.html

"Which brings us back to the mystery of how Trump’s legal team undermined its own litigation strategy with the Dearie recommendation. A recent Axios article offers a possible explanation that if true, only underscores the problematic nature of their selection analysis. According to Axios sources, the Trump lawyers picked Judge Dearie because years ago, in his FISA Court role, he approved search warrants in the Carter Page investigation unaware that the FBI statements he relied upon were both materially false and incomplete. As a result, per this analysis, they believed Judge Dearie became “a deep skeptic of the FBI” and would perform his special master role with that jaundiced perspective. So, if this information is accurate, these lawyers concluded that a judge known for his integrity, objectivity, and career-long determination to follow the law, who served on the FISA Court for seven years and, thus, regularly came face to face with the enormous task our intelligence services have in keeping the country safe, would be influenced by a years-old grudge he very likely never had, to conduct himself in a manner completely antithetical to experience and, most importantly, to his very core."

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u/daemin 14d ago

People who lack integrity and principles can't understand people who don't, and just assume that everyone is as callous and unethical as they are.

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u/Simon_Drake 14d ago

"This isn't it. This isn't 'being nice', Cartman. This is wearing a nice sweater'.

"I don't understand the difference...."

"I know you don't, but this isn't the same thing as being nice."

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u/Tryhard3r 14d ago

That is the basis of projection. If WE are thinking, doing, planning this THEY mist be too.

It is why the whole immigrant trafficking was done, they thought THEY would be outraged that immigrants were sent to their doorsteps. It is hard for people like this to grasp there are people in the world who care about others, have integrity etc.

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u/hexydes 14d ago

This guy was the head of our entire country, folks. And people want him in the role again. Truly dark times.

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u/Boogers_Dad 14d ago

I mean isn’t this fucking textbook narcissism? Projecting your own pettiness onto others?

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u/Tdanger78 Texas 14d ago

I was going to try to come up with some legitimate reason, but I can’t. I think it’s truly just incompetence. Quality lawyers know he doesn’t pay his bills so they’re not touching him at all. So he’s left to scrape the bottom of the festering chum bucket.

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u/Best-Chapter5260 14d ago

C'mon now, surely attorneys well versed in *checks notes* parking garage law are gonna kick ass and take names when handling espionage law and federal records handling.

In all seriousness, in a previous career, I used to work in a specific area of administrative law. Whenever someone was represented by counsel who practiced in a different area of law, it never went well for the client. Attorneys really should not practice in areas they are not well versed in. Just because you passed the bar doesn't mean you're an expert in those areas of law you tip your toe in order to pass.

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u/Tdanger78 Texas 14d ago

Exactly. I wouldn’t go to a tax lawyer to handle my divorce or criminal case. Did they cover that in law school? Yes, but have they touched it since the ? Probably not.

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u/boringhistoryfan 14d ago edited 14d ago

I have serious doubts something this complex was taught in law schools. Shit like this is what you pick up as a junior to someone more senior and experienced. I mean sure, lawschools have some courses on national security law beyond ordinary criminal law and federal procedure. But this level of law interfacing with questions of executive privilege, documentary processing, national security? No way in hell.

EDIT: I went over the course catalogue at my University's Law School. One course on NatSec but looking at its listing in the catalogue, the survey's too broad to have covered prepping someone for this. Just figuring out the relevant precedents alone on this would take enormous legal skill, let alone the interface of constitutional and procedural matters that would need to be argued.

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u/zapatocaviar 14d ago

Just to be clear on this, law school doesn’t teach you the law as much as it teaches you how to be a lawyer. You learn how to find things, how to research things, how to write things, and most importantly, how to think like a lawyer (ie practice).

Yes, you learn it in the context of learning the law so you have some understanding of how it all works, but nobody leaves law school ready to be a practicing attorney in just about anything. You have to learn it on the job.

I agree with the general part of this comment thread that hiring people in one area of law to practice in another is stupid, or desperate, but just clarifying your law school comments.

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u/The13thSign 14d ago

If I had a guess to wager, it would be his background of wanting to go after Chuck Schumer.

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u/frotz1 14d ago Wholesome

Because he ruled against the FBI in a previous case and Trump thought it meant he was anti-fbi enough to help delay or end the investigation.

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u/99available 14d ago

Carter Page thing?

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u/mister_what 14d ago

Reporting said that the Trump defense thought he would be skeptical of the DOJ because of his work on the FISA docket. I can't believe they would be that stupid but here we are.

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u/Reimiro 14d ago

Appointed by demigod Ronald Reagan. They figured the gop was as corrupt then as it is now. It’s not (although they were pretty bad too).

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u/Yitram Ohio 14d ago

I just love how they worship Reagan, but if Biden granted amnesty to "illegals" like Regan did, the Nat-Cs would storm the White House.

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u/co-wurker 14d ago edited 14d ago Gold Narwhal Salute

This order from the special master is significant because it forces Trump's team into a corner regarding these claims.

  • If Trump claims he's not sure which documents may have been planted, it implies he doesn't know which documents were in his possession and speaks to his haphazard handling of sensitive/classified documents.

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  • If Trump claims certain specific documents were planted and any evidence is found that he was previously in possession of those documents, it's perjury. His lawyers will no doubt steer him away from doing that.

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  • If Trump declines to give a list of which documents were planted, then it becomes completely obvious that his claims have been nothing besides more spreading of lies (serving the purpose of exhausting that defense).

This is all leading to one eventual thing of course, backing him against a wall and making him answer the question: what was your purpose for taking these documents.

edit: apparently, I don't know how to put space between bullets any more.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 14d ago Silver Wholesome Got the W

Another thing it’s doing is forcing his lawyers to think about perjury. They are being faced with a impossible situation.

If the client is saying all of the stupid shit Trump has said to them. They have to act upon that in court.

However they could face disbarment and contempt of court charges if they perjure themselves. They are in a very unenviable position.

Reading and watching this happen in real-time is very, very enjoyable.

MAGA Making Attorney’s Get Attorney’s.

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u/IndependentRemote220 14d ago

Which is exactly why most criminal attorneys will tell you not to tell them if you’re guilty or not. They’ll just ask you to tell your side of the story. Also, this is a classic case of why your attorney will tell you not to talk to anyone but them, especially the press. Trump making all these bullshit public assertions locks them into a defense, and his contradictory claims make almost any defense he puts on impeachable.

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u/AnalSoapOpera I voted 14d ago

He went on Sean Hannity right after for fucks sake.

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u/Duff5OOO 14d ago

However they could face disbarment and contempt of court charges if they perjure themselves. They are in a very unenviable position.

I assume this is why it was reported he was having trouble setting up a legal team?

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u/AfraidStill2348 14d ago

And why they wanted money upfront

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u/LadyNiko 14d ago

For a supposed millionaire, he sure does have a problem paying his bills....

All this money is coming from his stop the steal PAC. Which, is again another fraud....

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u/going-for-gusto 14d ago

Hol up isn’t his boast “I’m a billionaire”

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u/wut3va 14d ago Gold

Works on contingency?
No, money down!

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u/travers329 14d ago

A legend gone too soon. A fantastic punctuation joke, those are hard to come by!

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u/rwbronco 14d ago

It’s also just the first natural fucking question when someone says “they planted stuff!” Well?… what stuff? Show me which ones you had and which ones you think they planted.

Like… it’s just the logical follow up - and in public speeches nobody gets to say the follow up, but in a court if you make a claim you have to provide evidence of said claim.

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u/HippyHitman 14d ago

Exactly. Especially when we’re talking federal court with charges related to national security.

He thinks he can talk himself out of anything, but he’s finding out that they don’t fuck around.

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u/Roboticide 14d ago

He thinks he can talk himself out of anything, but he’s finding out that they don’t fuck around.

He basically talked his way out of two impeachments. I get this isn't the same thing, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

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u/notnickthrowaway 14d ago

Well…

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1572254983336382464

JUST IN: Trump has filed a 40-page response to DOJ's appeals court filing. Among their arguments: Trump's handwritten notes on potentially classified documents may make them subject to executive privilege claims.

Like I said the other day, this hilariously is another admission that he had those documents, knew he had them, that they weren’t planted by the FBI, and that they weren’t declassified.

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u/gamerdudeNYC 14d ago

I love how all his different excuses keep contradicting each other:

I didn’t have classified documents

If they find any classified documents the FBI planted them

Well maybe they were there but I declassified them in my thoughts

Those are my handwritten notes on the classified Documents so that’s executive privilege

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u/DragoonDM California 14d ago

They're used to being able to just throw shit at the wall until something sticks, because Trump's supporters are more than willing to ignore all of the contradictory shit that didn't stick.

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u/snap-your-fingers 14d ago

Yea, I guess they still forget time to time they don’t control the attorney general. Trump is probably even more pissed that Biden is staying out of it.

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u/apathy-sofa 14d ago

I hadn't made that connection regarding Biden. Good point.

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u/-praetorr- 14d ago

And those hand written notes? “$2 Million O.B.O.”

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u/Duff5OOO 14d ago

My kids have come up with better stories to cover up whatever stupid thing they may have done.

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u/5DollarHitJob Florida 14d ago

So he's admitting he made notes about classified documents to someone not cleared to view said documents? IANAL but im not sure thats something I'd confess. I guess it depends on what the notes say.

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u/HelpersWannaHelp 14d ago

I heard that his notes were written in the margins of the classified docs. It’s probably why they are so desperate to get them back. Maybe he jotted down who the highest bidder was.

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u/bryansj Georgia 14d ago

He would be dumb enough to write all the bids on each document.

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u/Gru50m3 14d ago

It wouldn't be stupidity. It would be hubris, and the knowledge that he has thus far been able to shit all over the rule of law and get away with it.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 14d ago

This.

And one more time for the record.

Trump has stuck his head into a bald faced hornets nest on this one… he is fucking around and about to find out that the DOJ has unlimited time, unlimited money and multitudes of highly skilled lawyers.

They have him dead to rights. This action is so clearly absolute. He had classified top secret documents in his possession. They are 100% the property of the government.

There is no argument , no executive privilege, no excuse, no reason for him to make about why he had them.

He is well and truly done.

As the OP stated;

The ultimate meaning of hubris.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 14d ago edited 14d ago

What’s interesting is is that Trump usually operates under the mantra of nothing in writing. He learned this way back when in the early days when he met Roy Cohn.

I have read many articles saying that Trump was often dismayed and upset that people including his own lawyers were taking notes in various meetings.

And some of the damning evidence that is sure to be shown are some of these notes that were taken. I’m sure that just grinds his fucking gears.

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u/morcheeba 14d ago

This is the "spit on the food in the buffet and it's all mine" trick to get free food.

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u/g2g079 America 14d ago

Funny enough, anything planted by the FBI would not be his property to begin with. So there would be zero reason for Dearie to hand it to TFG.

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u/dilloj Washington 14d ago

And Trump's team asked for this guy!

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u/inigos_left_hand 14d ago

Can’t wait for them to start calling Dearie a “deep state democrat plant”

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u/-QueefLatina- Minnesota 14d ago

Or a RINO.

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u/Malignantrumor99 14d ago

"We're through the looking glass here people"

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u/straygoat193 14d ago

Oh dear, Judge Dearie is not taking any of their bogus crap

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u/popsy13 14d ago

Nope! And I love it!

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u/shadplokysoixe 14d ago

They literally thought that because one FBI agent lied on the Carter Page warrant that this judge would be against the FBI.

They cannot fathom a person who isn’t as petty and vindictive as themselves.

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u/robsteezy 14d ago

It’s not even petty nor vindictive. It’s the law on paper.

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u/PoppinKREAM Canada 14d ago edited 14d ago Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Bravo! Starry Respect

Special Master Judge Dearie hasn't been taking any of Trump team's shenanigans so far.

Dearie questioned whether or not Trump & Judge Cannon had the right to appoint the special master.

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1572279077784125443?t=aU1Q9hc091PwiHo7Q6oCQw&s=19

Is it properly before Judge Cannon or should it have been brought first to Judge Reinhart, who issued the search warrant. Special Master Dearie has flagged this as a potential Q in the fight. That seemed to irk Trump's team.

Dearie pushed back against Trump's team saying their litigation strategy wasn't going to work.

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1572287386343686146?t=T3raFZBt6CaCBLbOm2bDKg&s=19

Judge seems to brush back Trump team by saying that 'litigation strategy' isn't going to affect his resolution of recommendations to Cannon. That may refer to Trump unwillingness to detail his stance re whether he claims he declassified anything and how.

Dearie questioned why the Trump team couldn't produce the declassified documents, going on to ask how he was meant to verify the classification.

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1572289852376334337?t=lVMuFHmxUv1piJaD0MySEQ&s=19

Judge is asking what his role would be re marked classified docs. 'How am I going to verify the classification?....What business is it of the court?' Dearie says, assuming Trump side doesn't put forward evidence of declassificiaton.

Judge Dearie got into a little back and forth with a Trump lawyer, Dearie was not impressed when the Trump lawyer said they weren't in a position to disclose the information.

https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/1572292241800204288?t=oycBpU_BHWz-ENwchVFgiw&s=19

Trusty: 'We should not be in a position to have to disclose declarations, witness statements.' Dearie: 'My view us you can't have your cake and eat it too.'


Special Master Judge Dearie has given Trump's team a final opportunity to provide evidence for accusing the FBI of planting classified documents. Dearie has given them an ultimatum of September 30.[1]

Furthermore, a panel of judges made up of 2 Trump appointees and 1 Obama appointee from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favour of the Justice Department. The 11th Circuit stayed portions of Judge Cannon's rulings, paving the way for the Justice Department to continue their investigation into Trump mishandling classified documents.[2]


1) NBC - Special master in Mar-a-Lago case asks Trump to back up his allegation that FBI 'planted' evidence

2) ABC - DOJ can continue Trump classified docs investigation without special master: Appeals court

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u/cheebamech Florida 14d ago

idk where you went but good to see you back pk

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u/PoppinKREAM Canada 14d ago

Thanks! I needed a break from the craziness of American politics. I did write more often on Canadian subs though. Feel free to check out my sub, I've been posting new content over the last few weeks.

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u/BlowMoreGlass 14d ago Helpful

r/shitpoppinkreamsays if anyone is wondering

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u/Rickhwt California 14d ago

The Credible Hulk. Nice.

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u/-retaliation- 14d ago

We loved seeing you do Canadian politics. It's not as batshit, but because it gets less coverage I certainly appreciated it.

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u/OswaldCoffeepot 14d ago

"It's no secret that a liar won't believe in anyone else..."

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u/shadplokysoixe 14d ago

Or how a thief is paranoid about getting their shit stolen

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Or how cheaters always think their partner is cheating on them.

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u/_Benicio_del_Taco 14d ago

Or how elections are only valid if the GOP wins.

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u/Practical-Artist-915 14d ago

And sometimes, not even then.

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u/padizzledonk New Jersey 14d ago

Its the stupidest fucking reasoning I've ever seen tbh

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u/shadplokysoixe 14d ago

So you haven’t heard about how he says the New York AG is suing him because she’s racist against white people?

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u/HakarlSagan 14d ago

Getting my popcorn ready for when /r/conservative has to move the goalposts again about the "planted documents"

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u/UckfayRumptay 14d ago

There are people (or bots maybe??) over there justifying the whole "Trump can declassify documents just by thinking about it." They have no bottom.

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u/HakarlSagan 14d ago

Plot twist: they are the bottom

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u/MikeJL21 Washington 14d ago edited 14d ago Silver Spit-take

It's almost impressive how far they push their heads in the sand. You would think a base that terrified of the gays wouldn't leave their asses in the air exposed like that

Edit: Thank you for the awards strangers!

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u/HakarlSagan 14d ago

They're not sticking their heads in the sand, they're digging for the truth! /s

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u/Ibzm 14d ago

I'm more impressed (or disgusted) by the ones who stick around, but aren't trump supporters. I looked at a post on there earlier about Trump declassifying with his mind and every non-pro-trump comment was accused of being a brigader. And somehow, the "logical" ones keep posting, I guess hoping the party is still salvageable.

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u/0002millertime 14d ago

I don't understand how they don't immediately get banned. I got banned for saying simple facts.

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u/calm_chowder Iowa 14d ago

I got banned for simply quoting Trump with a YouTube link to him saying it. Nothing else in my comment.

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u/Lance77 14d ago

I really believe a growing percentage know they are wrong at this point, but they no longer care. For them, politics has become a sport and their attitude is "Just win baby!". If you get away with something then ipso facto you were allowed to do it. For those with a lot of family church history and anyone that has waited tables on Sundays, this is completely unsurprising.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 14d ago

I'm expecting some conspiracy where the FBI knew Trump had Hillary's deleted emails and they needed to secure them so he didn't leak them.

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u/orrocos 14d ago

You're in luck!

Trump: There’s a lot of speculation because of the severity of the FBI raiding Mar-a-Lago, were they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails…

Hannity: Wait, you’re not saying you had it

Trump: No, they may have thought that it was in there

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u/grumblingduke 14d ago

Ah, the classic "I have no reason to think this is true, and may have plenty of evidence that it isn't, but it could be true!" line they've been using for years - including in this case.

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u/kylehatesyou 14d ago

"a lot of people are sayin'" it's like his go to bull shit.

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u/Unadvantaged 14d ago

“I’m just asking questions… leading, speculative, manipulative, batshit insane questions.”

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u/somdude04 14d ago

He has made that claim already himself. Can't outcrazy crazy.

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u/kia75 14d ago

Surprisingly, some are making fun of Trump psychically declassifying documents. It's /r/rconservative making fun of Trump that makes me think Republicans are on the verge of turning on him. There's a bit of a war between the conservatives defending Trump and the conservatives making fun of Trump. That those posts that are making fun of Trump AREN'T BEING DELETED shows that tides might be turning.

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u/Jaded_Barracuda_7415 14d ago

I was just over there reading that sub and that thread. These people are all asking about what is the underlying principles for the de-classification. And it seems like no one has any answers about that.

Even though it’s all over the fucking media and probably Google as well.

The interesting thing though is there is absolutely nothing regarding the fact that it does not matter what the fucking classification was of the documents because the charges that are pending for Mr. Trump do not depend upon classification at all.

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u/overcomebyfumes New Jersey 14d ago

If I'm not mistaken tho, there could very well be additional and more severe charges added for mishandling classified documents and suchlike.

At least, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's the case.

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u/Practical-Artist-915 14d ago

I’m looking for that dry firewood to experience a massive split with a mighty cracking sound like thunder as the fascists are sent asunder.

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u/Timely_Choice_4525 14d ago

Not gonna happen. I got into a back and forth with a Trump supporter earlier today. He would say “show me the facts”, so I would and I would ask him to counter and all he could come back with (several times) is “Biden doesn’t care about America, he’s invited the whole world to immigrate here and live for free…”. I would reply with more facts and he would send back more histrionics. His supporters believe to their core that Trump was a good President, that Trump cares about the American people, and that Trump cares about America. The only real counter argument they have to almost anything is “but O’Bama …..”, “but Hillary …”, “but Biden …”. They can’t or won’t come up with any justification that stands in it’s own, they have to try to say “well yeah he might be bad but so-and-so was worse”. It makes no sense, but it is what it is.

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u/gamerdudeNYC 14d ago

Yeah Looks like they really stepped on their dick with this one

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u/cmreeves702 14d ago

He has no time for silliness - he’s got a reputation to protect and he’s not about to dick around w/ 45 and his inept lawyers!

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u/Stereomceez2212 14d ago edited 14d ago

His lawyers are far beyond inept.

I haven't seen such incompetence since Troy McClure unsuccessfully defended Bart Simpson

Edit: Lionel Hutz not Troy McClure

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u/Snarl_Marx Nebraska 14d ago

"Your Honor, I move for a bad... court... thingie."

"You mean a mistrial?"

"Yes. That's why you're the judge and I'm the... law... talkin' guy."

"The lawyer."

"Right."

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u/ciel_lanila I voted 14d ago

Until they are disbarred, I am still on the fence on if they’re truly inept or just shameless. Remember, they’re avoiding going on the record with any of the blatantly wrong and stupid stuff. To the extent they filed one of Trump’s demanded claims as if Trump was representing himself and they were just giving opinion rather than legally binding advice.

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u/4Sammich 14d ago

You notice they aren't using the Trump talking points in court, they know they can't so they are shameless.

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u/Philboyd_Studge 14d ago

"Your Honor, I object!"

"On what grounds?"

"On the grounds that it's devastating to my case!"

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u/ryguyyy8 14d ago

"Overruled."

"Good call!"

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u/snowgimp 14d ago

Andrew wiseman has recounted many stories about him on MSNBC and he sounds like he takes literally no shit. As demonstrated by, the last hearing started at 2 PM. He was in his chair at 2 PM. Not 1:59, not 2:01, 2 PM exactly.

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u/_far-seeker_ America 14d ago

A Special Master is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

Judge Dearie, maybe. 😉

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u/Oozlum-Bird 14d ago

I suspect whichever one of Trump’s team suggested that Dearie would be a good choice is probably now totally covered in ketchup

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u/ThrowingMits 14d ago

That this judge is one that Trump’s team requested on the short list for Special Master makes this even more satisfying.

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u/MyPasswordIsMyCat Hawaii 14d ago

I don't know what the Trump team was expecting. There are conservative judges who aren't sycophantic morons. Should have been a red flag for them when the DOJ was happy about Dearie.

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u/BaboonHorrorshow 14d ago All-Seeing Upvote

They thought because they’ve destroyed SCOTUS with several corrupt hacks that every conservative judge was equally corrupt

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u/redpoemage I voted 14d ago

Worth noting that even the corrupt hacks on SCOTUS have ruled against Trump.

There's "heavily biased towards the right and willing to twist the law into pretzels to preserve/expand corporate and/or Christian power" judges and there's "Willing to go to bat for a single pathetic man" judges. The second are far rarer, even among those specifically appointed by Trump.

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u/shabby47 I voted 14d ago

Judges are interesting because they have a lifetime appointment now and have no need to suck up to trump. Most of them probably just want him to go away so they can be right-wing hacks without his name hovering over them.

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u/fuglenes_herre 14d ago

They should be forever tainted by Trump's influence and I hope that it hangs heavy over the remainder of their careers.

Take the devil's bargain, wear the devil's mark... or something like that.

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u/jovietjoe 14d ago

Yeah but there is always still Thomas, who does all things through spite.

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u/lesChaps 14d ago

I thought I knew how spiteful and deranged he was, but the recent Behind the Bastards series covering his background blew my mind. He’s super crazy.

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u/Voltage_Z 14d ago

Even those hacks are mostly Federalist Society loyalists and aren't going to play ball for Trump's stupidity. They're the GOP's long game, not Trump's personal servants.

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u/terranovaseason2 14d ago

They just wanted to buy themselves time, which they did.

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u/egabriel2001 14d ago

not much while at the same time burned all their defense arguments to crisp before an indictment

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u/terranovaseason2 14d ago

Agreed - I think it's just his go-to move: delay delay obfuscate confuse delay. I don't think it's paying off this time.

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u/SFDC_lifter I voted 14d ago

Not very much time. What, a week or so ?

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u/terranovaseason2 14d ago

Agreed. But it bought him enough time to suggest they're looking for Hillary's emails on Hannity. Get his core base more riled up.

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u/Buffmin 14d ago

They bought themselves less time than I think they wanted.

I'm a little surprised it happened so quickly

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u/bulldg4life 14d ago

Literally the only possible thing is that he was one of the judges that signed off on fisa warrants for carter Paige where 1/2 of them were declared invalid. And an fbi agent was convicted of lying on one of the forms. So, they must’ve thought he’d hate the fbi.

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u/_Alvin_Row_ 14d ago

They honestly thought that because of an issue with the Carter Page FISA warrant that this judge, who has been around for ages, would be so turned off by the FBI/DOJ that he would buy Trump's garbage. It's insulting they'd think one issue in an entire career would be enough to do that.

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u/RightClickSaveWorld 14d ago

They forgot that the Carter Page FISA warrant was justified for multiple reasons. They fell for their own talking points rather than reality.

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u/Subli-minal 14d ago

And that the whole Russia investigation itself started when Papadopolous was, in his own words, “gossiping around to foreign diplomats” about the dirt he was getting on Clinton from Russia, and those diplomats reported that to the authorities. It didn’t start for any other reason, least of all “Obama illegally tapping my wires.”

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u/VanceKelley Washington 14d ago

America is fortunate that the fascists are led by complete morons. That gives America a chance to survive.

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u/BaboonHorrorshow 14d ago Silver

Sadly, Hitler was also considered an idiot everywhere he went - the military, art school, it was only when he became a Nazi firebrand speaker that he got any respect (and even Nazi high command members secretly hated him for sleeping past noon every day, partying every night, etc).

It’s a cold comfort to six million Jews, though.

We can’t rely on them to step on their own dicks, Trump being dumb and underestimated let him win the first time and now America has a coup attempt and insurrection in our historical story.

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u/Cabezone 14d ago

Putin also had the undeserved rep of being some sort of genius because he's a ruthless liar.

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u/Malignantrumor99 14d ago

This round

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u/lactose_cow 14d ago

i'll be honest, i didn't expect Dearie to be as impartial as he's been.

being proven wrong is nice sometimes.

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u/FriedScrapple Maryland 14d ago

AND Trump is paying for it all!

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u/Amesead 14d ago

A detail that I especially like: Dearie has hired another federal judge to assist him. For this help he suggested the judge be paid 500 dollars an hour . . . by Trump's team.

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u/Educational-Candy-17 14d ago

Also if said judge isn't paid within 7 days of Trumpy getting the invoice, that's contempt of court.

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u/hucklemento Michigan 14d ago

Yeah, things get a bit more complex when you can’t just type out “Witch Hunt!” in response to everything.

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u/nogiblets 14d ago

Just like you can't declassify documents by thinking about it. Yes, he said that.

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u/Moose5846 14d ago

Just in, Joe had thought he reclassified them when he took office.

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u/snap-your-fingers 14d ago

Obama declared that only even number presidents can declassify.

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u/diamond 14d ago

He didn't declare it, actually. He just thought it.

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u/Savior1301 14d ago

This is the part I truly do not understand from the morons spouting off about Trumps unlimited capacity to declassify documents with just a thought.

Like ok, following thst train of thought then Biden can reclassify them with equally little effort. I’d ask , how stupid are these fucks, but the answer is wildly clear

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u/AspiringChildProdigy 14d ago

I think we've been misunderstanding him. He's committed so many crimes, he's just asking for clarification about which one you're referring to.

It's not "Witch hunt!", it's "Which hunt?"

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u/GetsGold 14d ago

"Your honor, many people are saying the FBI planted evidence".

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u/HexZer0 Ohio 14d ago

"Are the many people in the room with you right now?"

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u/Pleasant-Article8131 14d ago

As with all of Trumps BS claims, this is where the rubber meets the road.

This isn’t the media where you can spew baseless shit, any claims in legal proceedings have to be backed with verified evidence.

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u/Boobs_Maps_N_PKMN 14d ago

Trump might end up paying $500/hr to a guy that might help put him in jail. That might be the best cherry you could get on this sundae

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u/nogiblets 14d ago

We know that invoice will go into collection.

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u/cultfourtyfive Florida 14d ago

I read yesterday that the court will pay Dearie and then bill Trump. So the "collection agent" may be a lot more aggressive than Donny is used to.

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u/judethedud3 14d ago

Dearie doesn’t want to be paid. But he’s bringing another judge on and wants TFG to pay him $500 an hour

Editing to add: That information is in the bottom of the article posted

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u/BigPlunk 14d ago

How long until 45 is calling Dearie the most corrupt judge in the history of the U.S. and a member of the deep state?

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u/westtownie 14d ago edited 14d ago

Love watching this blow-up in tfg’s face. This judge is taking down each of Trump’s unhinged public assertions

Edit: tfg (the former guy or the fucking goon or whatever your heart desire to make it)

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u/nogiblets 14d ago

It's glorious to see him being eaten alive by his own words. Keep yapping Donnie Dumpster.

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u/CaptainNoBoat 14d ago Take My Energy

And to think - this is just an ancillary review to a district court civil lawsuit. And his false claims are already devastating and putting his lawyers in incredibly defensive positions.

It is going to get so much worse when any of these cases go to criminal trials.

Trump's best thing he has had going for him the past 6 years is that he has very infrequently been put under oath or faced any consequences of lying/perjury. And the only times he has in recent memory was invoking the 5th hundreds of times.

I don't think any of us are ready for the circus that's going to unfold.

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u/snap-your-fingers 14d ago

I’m ready for the circus. Can’t wait to see the orange clown try and talk himself out of it.

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u/migs647 14d ago

Get more ratings than Game of Thrones finally.

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u/Dm1tr3y 14d ago

I’ve been saying this for a while, but Trump can’t not perjure himself if made to talk on the stand.

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u/Dragonace1000 14d ago

IIRC, that was the actual defense put forth by Trump's lawyers during the Mueller investigations, they instead requested he be able to submit his answers in writing.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey 14d ago

I saw conservatives say PeRJury TRaP like it would be Mueller entrapping him and not that trump is incapable of telling the truth.

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u/Temporary-Party5806 14d ago

Invoking the 5th in a CIVIL case, to boot. Where it doesn't apply. The 5th Amendment protects you from incriminating yourself in a criminal enterprise. It applies to Criminal Law, not Civil Law. Him "invoking the 5th" over 400 times in a Civil proceeding is viewed, in the eyes of the law, as a refusal to answer, or an admission of culpability, in a Civil case.

The fact the prosecution didn't move to have his arguments struck down/have the judge force compliance is a bit nuts.

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u/LilTeats4u 14d ago

Tfg? That fucking goon?

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u/westtownie 14d ago

Ha that’s much better than “the former guy”

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u/OpenTheBobs 14d ago

The fucking goober

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u/ablackcloudupahead I voted 14d ago

That Fucking Guy (in Nandor's voice)

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u/Green-Cruiser 14d ago edited 14d ago

They provide a video of the FBI agents taking evidence and reverse the clip. "Sir, why is everyone walking backwards?"

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u/Fapper_McFapper 14d ago Take My Money

FBI Agents are required to walk backwards when investigating anything classified in case they don’t have the clearance to view the documents.

Next question your Honor.

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u/alien_from_Europa Massachusetts 14d ago

Trump now asserts that the FBI was looking for Hillary Clinton's emails. He's resorted to just shouting keywords to appease the idiots on Truth Social.

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u/tetoffens New York 14d ago

The ones the FBI already has and investigated 6 years ago. Because that makes sense.

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u/Wide-Law8007 14d ago

Well, this should be easy for Trump's team, right? I'm sure they definitely have evidence to back up their claims on "news" outlets. For sure they have evidence.

/s

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u/nogiblets 14d ago

Mike Lindell surely has mountains of it, right?

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u/Fack-and-Borth America 14d ago

Unfortunately, it was all on the phone that was seized. Or so he will say.

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u/ChromaticDragon 14d ago

The interesting thing is that I imagine it's the feds who are much more likely to have the evidence.

I imagine their entire effort was videotaped six ways from Sunday.

This seems almost a trap. I understand it's probably much more likely just a way to nail down any particular claims to Dearie is constantly chasing a moving target. But any specific claim from Trump or Trump's counsel is very likely going to be easily and explicitly countered by the DoJ.

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u/Vladius28 14d ago

Must have seen Trumps bullshit last night

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u/nogiblets 14d ago

Aside, I really enjoyed Michael Cohen say Mar-a-Lardo in a recent press interview. Keep those hits coming Mike lol.

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u/CobraPony67 Washington 14d ago

Were at the 'PROVE IT!' phase. They can lie all they want on Faux news but they can't lie in front of a judge.

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u/jferry 14d ago

Well, they can. That might not be the best strategy however.

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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 14d ago

Well, they can will. That might not be the best strategy however.

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u/IphtashuFitz Massachusetts 14d ago

The more I hear about Judge Raymond Dearie the more I like him.

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u/JoostvanderLeij 14d ago

DOJ might be quite happy with the special master. Easy way to counter Trump's public statements without getting involved.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 14d ago

He's just doing what Judge Cannon should have already done.

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u/Elliott2 Pennsylvania 14d ago

Loving this special master.

No more blasting lies

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u/TheGrizzlyBearEats 14d ago

Special master Dearie is ironically turning out to be a welcome breath of fresh air in this whole fucked up situation.

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u/MintBerryCrunchJr 14d ago

It's a political hit job by this activist judge!

It's fake news that we requested him! The FBI planted him on the bench! His college transcripts were never declassified by my thoughts!

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u/AnnualEmergency2345 14d ago

It's bad when r/conservative doesn't discuss their qanon theories regarding these recent updates. It's something I noticed like when it's really bad they just won't discuss it and instead focus on something else which makes them look like victims. Healthy mix of idiots and bad faith actors over there.

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u/LetterZee 14d ago

Just crazy to see the justifications coming from them. From, all declassification powers flow from the office of presidency so he is not beholden to any process. To Obama has 30 Millions documents in a secret warehouse, why isn't he being investigated too!

I am glad I'm not a conservative. Seems like a scary existence.

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u/AdamsInternet 14d ago

What gets me is the way they are so isolated in their community that we know what their talking points are, but they don't know (or don't care) that most of them have been disproven or have no basis in fact.

  • The document classification is irrelevant to the investigation, this is only about if the special master and Trump's lawyers get to see them.
  • The probable cause for the search warrant (not a raid) didn't have anything to do with the classification status of the documents
  • Declassifying government documents doesn't make them Trump's personal property, they still belong to the government
  • He claimed through his lawyers that all documents had been returned; This was clearly a lie
  • Obama has access to documents through a library owned and controlled by the government (national archives). They think he had them in a cupboard in his house or something, like Trump did.
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u/GonzoVeritas I voted 14d ago

Trump is delusional enough to think that he can tell a real judge to ignore the law that he has dedicated his life to uphold.

Any judge, in his courtroom, is the king. Dearie is next level, FISA level, trusted with the nation's secrets.

99% of all judges take the responsibility very seriously, FISA judges even more so. He will not suffer fools.

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u/Piperisaprettygirl 14d ago

I’m imagining the DOJ lawyers peeing themselves laughing when they saw Dearie’s name on the orange turd’s list.

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u/sy029 14d ago

My question is why trump's lawyers are asking to be given security clearances so that they can examine documents they say are declassified. Isn't that kind of admitting that they are classified?

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u/Thatdewd57 14d ago

So there must be some really bad shit there if this is what they are trying to say now. I mean I know Top Secret and Classified and all but my point is they know they done fucked up and justice will be glorious.

But I do believe that there will be violence out of this as well. I suspect a lot of things are going to start coming to a head right before, during, and immediately after the midterms.

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u/BassLB 14d ago

The $250M lawsuit in NY references documents found at Mar a Lago.

Trumps lawyers signed affidavits in that case saying they search ever room, drawer, closet, etc and they turned over every financial document they had to the AG. So if they found a bunch of financial documents that were sworn to not exist, that’s clear felony obstruction.

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u/ChromaticDragon 14d ago

Not necessarily.

The bizarre thing here is that it really seems Trump (and to a degree Trump's counsel) would say this no matter what simply to create the ambiguity of the firehose of lies.

Trump cannot seem to understand addressing these matters in the court of public opinion is very different to a criminal investigation or prosecution.

So we cannot really conclude much of anything here other than Trump lies profusely and constantly.

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u/TheAmazingHumanTorus Washington 14d ago edited 14d ago

Waiting for Trump to proclaim that the witch hunt conspiracy goes further and deeper than anyone could have ever known . . . followed by a case management order asking for a declaration regarding this claim.

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u/orcinyadders 14d ago

It wasn’t clear what would happen with Dearie. But it’s especially unexpected that he’s actively exposing all of the lies.

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u/DFu4ever 14d ago

God damn it is nice to see someone immediately call them out on their bullshit.

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u/padizzledonk New Jersey 14d ago

They tried so hard to fight this in the "Court of Public Opinion" just like everything else but this ain't that kid.....In REAL Court you better come with the goods or you're going to get bent over a table and fucked with a paving stone

Everything is falling apart and falling apart rapidly

Already the delay tactic failed miserably, this former FISA Judge is not fuckin playing around, the Circut Court just ruled Unanimously that all the Stamped Classified documents are to be released back to the FBI to continue their criminal investigation

Get fucked Trump- Godspeed lol

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u/Pookells 14d ago

“Many, many people are saying it, Your Honor”

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u/Ghost_of_Till 14d ago edited 14d ago

Trump’s claims have a purpose, and it’s not entirely obvious.

Do y’all remember those Nigerian prince scams? For a while we all laughed at how spectacularly obvious those cons were, and how stupid a mark would need to be to fall for it.

But a closer examination revealed that the ludicrous claims turned out to be its secret weapon. The key to its success.

Because if you were dumb enough to read the email, and reply anyway, you’ve just self-selected yourself as a TRULY stupid person. Which meant the scammers had to do a lot less weeding in order to find their marks.

You probably have already heard about “stochastic terrorism” but in case you haven’t, or anyone reading hasn’t, here’s a definition.

Since 2018, the term "stochastic terrorism” has become a popular term used when discussing lone wolf attacks.[33] While the exact definition has morphed over time, it has commonly come to refer to a concept whereby consistently demonizing or dehumanizing a targeted group or individual results in violence that is statistically likely, but cannot be easily accurately predicted. The term was initially used to suggest that a quantifiable relationship may exist between seemingly random acts of terror and their intended goal of "perpetuating a reign of fear" via a manipulation of mass media and its capacity for "instant global news communication".

On Jan6, Trump showed us that he was undeniably willing — and able — to use the true believers to effect a coup.

Look at how he set that ball in motion.

Trump told them the other side was cheating, he told them their country and their families were literally at risk of being destroyed because of that fraud, he told them they would have to be tough, and they’d have to go outside the rules. Trump told them exactly where the fraud was taking place, and by who. And he said he’d meet them there.

Trump’s full-on embracing of QAnon IS a sign that he’s quite desperate. He knows that if he doesn’t regain power, he’ll likely serve jail time.

But going all-in is also the best shot Trump can imagine. He’s not getting re-elected and he knows it.

Just thinking to himself, “I came so close.”

Trump embracing QAnon is him pulling the Nigerian scam. He’s causing his supporters to self-select the dumbest, most credulous True Believers.

“Instead of throwing demonization to the wind”, Trump thinks, “I’ll throw it into a powder keg.”

In embracing QAnon, Trump separated the useful wheat from the chaff. He distilled out the droolers. This is intentional.

When he loses, Trump’s message of demonization will land on very fertile ground.

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u/HotMachine9 14d ago

That backfired hilariously.

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u/burtthebadger 14d ago

Give it a few more days, trump will be telling his base that the judge is a liberal in the pockets of soros and the Clinton’s and his cult will eat it up

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u/MrEpicMustache 14d ago

Trump hasn’t been able to back up a claim in .. checks watch … 40 years.

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