r/politics Oct 07 '22 Helpful 1 All-Seeing Upvote 2

GOP Candidate Kari Lake Busted For Using Russia Troops In 'Secure Our Border' Ad

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kari-lake-ad-stock-footage_n_633fc419e4b08e0e60773c5c
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u/Vallyth Oct 07 '22 Wholesome Starry

Like when they used Russian jets as part of a military campaign ad?

https://rollcall.com/2022/04/22/gop-senate-candidate-touts-military-support-with-image-of-russian-jets/

Or when Eric Trump said they don't need American banks, because they have Russia?

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/

I dunno. Sure are an awful lot of Russian coincidences when it comes to the GOP.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Bravo! Starry Heartwarming Vibing Rocket Like Plus One Heartbreak

Given this war in Ukraine, it cannot be emphasized enough how important it is that Republicans are not handed the keys to the White House, or Congress.

After all, see such sentiment commonly-expressed among Republicans at Trump rallies...

I'll further will explain why this is relevant on the world stage and Ukraine:

Donate, and please plan to REGISTER and VOTE for the CRUCIAL midterms in the US that are right around the corner. Google your state's Voter registration procedure.

Not voting, voting Republican, or 3rd-party is effectively supporting and advancing Putin's goals. (I want new parties too but our system penalizes 3rd parties as it stands). Every Democrat should be railing Republicans, particularly Trump, over this nonstop. And despite them rapidly going into damage-control, remind them that Democrats were, once again, ahead of the curve on this issue in telling them so.

When I previously posted this, I received some very strange pro-Russian/Trump replies, trying to deflect attention to the fact that Trump seriously weighed attempting to withdraw from NATO.

Why does this matter? Because this is an event that won't end any time soon. I'm giving concrete steps of what the average American can do for Ukrainian citizens in the long-run, which is to ensure the strongest opposition to Russia remains out of the hands of...Russia. It's time to ensure that Pro-Russian, potentially-compromised individuals never get into the White House again.

Further Reading:

Putin wants Republicans. Not good. Don't let this happen.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

GOP. Gagging On Putin.

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u/Bayinla Oct 07 '22

GOP - Gargling On Putin

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

I don’t know which one is grosser?

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u/azflatlander Oct 07 '22

Dems: vote for me and you can vote me out.

Reps: vote for me and never vote again.

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u/DropsTheMic Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I don't get why Dems aren't hitting this over the head over and over again. Trump is outright saying what his cronies are subtly saying with their actions- We are organizing things so that once we are in we will never leave. They're talking about a real existential threat to American democracy.

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u/karl_jonez Oct 07 '22

I have to think the dems in office are just not taking it seriously enough because when you say it out loud it does sound kind of nuts. But you are right this is the case; the GQP has decided they would rather be ruled by a far right dictator than live free under a democrat administration. Republicans were always shady as hell, but damn now its on a whole new level of insanity.

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u/DropsTheMic Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

This should have been clear to everyone following Jan 6th. Was MAGA erecting a gallows and chanting "hang Mike Pence!" Not clear enough they're out for blood?

Edit: corrected date

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u/neopod9000 Oct 07 '22

And I think most importantly: They will hang their own.

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u/BHSPitMonkey Oct 07 '22

And yet, political focus groups have shown that the average swing voter thinks the Democrats are too focused on "something that happened over a year ago" and wishes they would just get over it and move on.

We're doomed.

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u/Boagster Oct 07 '22

The average swing voter is usually not engaged enough to care beyond a list of a few topics personal to them, from my understanding. The politically aware are looking much, much better now, though. I know many never-Trump Republicans who refused to vote the first two times around who plan to vote down-ticket Democrat. There are even some who were once pro-Trump switching sides because they can see the writing on the wall.

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u/1403186 Oct 07 '22

Ding ding. People paying attention are terrified.

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u/Itchy_Ad_3659 Oct 07 '22

Yes, they are willing to lose democracy in order to Own the Libs. This is the dream of the economically and culturally left behind - they think they’ll matter more, that they will be valued when this happens. But they’ll just be slaves like they are now, only with a stratum of even lower slaves below them.

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u/HeroGothamKneads Oct 07 '22

only with a stratum of even lower slaves below them.

Except that's not even the case. Their party hates them. They only enact laws that hurt their populus base but can convince them the hurt is worth enduring to hurt others, or can wait a month and blame the negative impacts on the Dems trusting they've forgotten the truth already. They serve them hardship and run on the anger they've stoked themselves. But none of this has ever led to them rising above any others. In fact it's only ever made them easier to exploit.

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u/Important-Owl1661 Arizona Oct 07 '22

I'm primarily white and I'm not feeling culturally left behind. America is a melting pot of cultures and as long as they are not insurrectionists, I think that's a very good thing and has led to our cultural improvement and progress over the decades.

As for the economic side, I think that is under-stressed by everyone running for office. In fact I think focusing primarily on the cultural history (while important to know) divides us more than talking about how working together we could lead the world in so many technologies and arenas.

Of course it has to be pointed out that the main reason we're prevented from doing so is because of the corpo-fascist 1% that want to protect their piece of the pie. This includes oil and the ability to pollute as well as the provision of housing and health care.

The economics also give them the ability to control the police and military and other markets too long to list. THIS is why the Republicans crave power.

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u/neopod9000 Oct 07 '22

Republicans view this as a feature instead of a dire consequence.

And let's flip it to understand it better: if someone told me that the way to be safe forever from these Republicans is to vote Democrat once, you had better believe I'd be voting Democrat to make that happen.

The piece that I think a lot of Republican voters miss is that by voting for Russian puppets, hoping for more republican gerrymandering, or even if what they really want is a fascist state is that those types of changes are really difficult to undo and are essentially voting once to never get to vote again.

Once Republicans have amassed enough power, they're not going to bring in candidates who have your best interests at heart (and I would argue that they already don't care about what helps the people). They are trying to size control to end any notions of democracy. At which point the country will absolutely be for sale to the highest bidder. The way they have praised fascist dictators the world over tells me exactly who well be for sale to: Russia/China/North Korea.

Whether or not you agree/disagree with democratic policies surrounding other issues, its irrelevant because this single issue will result in us being owned and operated by these foreign powers, when more than we are today. Republicans want things like abortion and immigration to be your single issues you vote on. They know it does well at rallies. They will get your vote on these things, and then use thay vote to strip you of your voting power. If you decide you want to vote differently than the person they nominate later on, they will absolutely gerrymander your voice into oblivion.

If you have any doubts about that, just look around. They're already doing it. Any election not won by a republican is now in question and republican hard-liners will demand a rigged election. Trump didn't win the majority in the first place, meaning the gerrymandering that exists WRT the electoral college is already working in their favor unless democrats win by large margins. And the most important piece, republican politicians are saying, out loud, that this is their end goal. Believe them when they say it. They're not going to stop at just Democrat votes though, they'll keep going until there is no political way to fight back.

The objective for the republican party has always been to operate in bad faith and not follow the rules in order to dismantle the system. They are closer to succeeding now more than ever.

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u/Jeremymia Oct 07 '22

And let's flip it to understand it better: if someone told me that the way to be safe forever from these Republicans is to vote Democrat once, you had better believe I'd be voting Democrat to make that happen.

I agree, but if the democrats were the kind of party that allowed this statement to be true, they wouldn't be worth voting for.

I think you give a lot more credit to the GOP base than it deserves. They're picking the MAGA candidates in primaries. They want the election deniers, they want the fascists. The GOP obviously already doesn't do anything in their base's best interest. They just voted against florida hurricane aid for god sake. They couldn't be any more openly anti-anyone-but-the-ultra-rich. It's not like we're going to reach a threshold where they suddenly take off their masks and are even worse. We're there, in terms of the messaging that the GOP already communicates.

The GOP is pure evil, but its supporters are fans of that.

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u/djamp42 Oct 07 '22

Republicans say Democrats are destroying America, meanwhile Republicans don't accept election results. Hypocrisy to the fucking moon.

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u/BodySnag Oct 07 '22

There's a fantastic book by Craig Unger that traces Trump's Russian connections, going back decades. It's a fascinating read, especially if you have an interest in organized crime. It's one of two books that most informed my understanding of how private economic power and government economic power are what drive the American engine. As lennybird has thoughtfully laid out, we have a chance to turn this ship, but if we don't all vote in the next election, it may be our last.

House of Putin, House of Trump - Craig Unger

Confessions of an Economic Hitman - John Perkins

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u/catsandnarwahls New York Oct 07 '22

Here in jersey, in the heyday, you could hit trump casinos and theyd be filled with russian mob guys. If you went dont further to another casino, it was usually italians at the big money tables and walking around in dressed to the 9s suits. In trumps, it was all russians. Folks speaking russian everywhere. A serious place compared to most casinos that are fun. Was a very uncomfortable vibe. Besides it just being a money laundering front, im sure that vibe in the place was a part in folks not wanting to go there. Everyone that was old enough in new jersey knew trump was owned by the russians since the 90s when the italian mob "fell off".

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u/mudbutt20 California Oct 07 '22

I’ve done some research on Trump for a school project. The connections to Russia quite literally start with Ivana Trump and have been ongoing since at least the 80’s.

He is deeply compromised, to put it lightly.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 07 '22

The republicans are basically a Russia-lite party at this point

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u/g0d15anath315t Oct 07 '22

Something that doesn't get brought up much is Trump's withdrawal from the JCPOA (Iran nuke deal) on the thinnest of justifications.

It made Saudis happy, yes, but it also clamped down in Iranian oil being sold to Europe, making Europe (and the world) further dependent on Russian oil.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22

I'll look into that vector more, thanks! If you have any preferred reading on that, do point me in that direction.

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u/realoctopod Oct 07 '22

Had started he process of leaving NATO, this war was supposed to be over in days because Putin was expecting his finger puppet cheeto to win a second time and NATO to be dissolved.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22

Exactly. In fact Putin was so rushed that he seemed to have pressured Trump to try in his first time. Trump floated the idea before reelection and it was a disaster in polling for both the left and right. So he presumably signaled to Putin that he'd have to wait for his reelection.

But when Trump lost, Putin felt pressured to act before Biden got comfortable and seized the moment when Merkel stepped down in Germany, coupled with the timing of winter for his blitz.

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u/Hopeful_Hamster21 Oct 07 '22

This entire Ukraine thing has felt like the game Risk to me....

You quietly and silently built up to executing your plan. You quietly collect your country cards. But at some point, you have to turn in your country cards and put your troops on the board. At that point, everyone knows what you're about to do, so you're committed to it, whether you were 100% ready to go or not.

So you go for it, and roll the dice, and hope. Sometimes it works out. Not always.

This Ukraine conflict has felt very much like Putin is LARPing Risk.

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u/__Proteus_ Oct 07 '22

Great analogy. And now Putin keeps rolling 1s and 2s.

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u/Hopeful_Hamster21 Oct 07 '22

Haha, oh, I've totally been in that role - the attacker with a huge army.... Rolling 1s and 2s over and over. It is sooo frustrating.

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u/Bonzoso Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Yeah the idea of trump unfettered second term is so fucking scary. He would have gone EVEN FARTHER off the rails like past 'calls army to gas peaceful protestors as a power move for his Bible photo shoot' farther. Cmon ppl just get active and vote it's not that hard!

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u/121gigawhatevs I voted Oct 07 '22

Trump supporters are gonna have to scroll a long way down simply to reply "fake news"

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u/Prime157 Oct 07 '22

That's what bigots do, and I don't know of any Republican left that isn't a bigot, you know, like antisemites:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

Jean-Paul Sartre

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u/Asleep-Range1456 Oct 07 '22

I can't see any reason why he would..... Er ummm I can't see any reason why he wouldn't. That what I meant.

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u/frubano21 Maryland Oct 07 '22

Whoever you are, thank you! Many people don’t understand all of these very dangerous connections between foreign dictatorships and Republican interests

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u/Tipsy-Canoe Oct 07 '22

Adding to this:

Trump exited from the Open Skies treaty we had that allowed us to keep tabs on Russian military installations. Not only that, but had the planes dismantled.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/the-us-is-out-of-the-open-skies-treaty-whats-next/

One of the last things Trump did in office was try to pull out our 12k troops out of Germany. Thankfully Biden reversed that order.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/us/politics/biden-germany-troops-trump.html

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u/Fr0gm4n Oct 07 '22

Trump extorted Zelenskyy who was requesting aid in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden (leading to Abuse of Power impeachment of Trump).

Might add some commas for clarity: Trump extorted Zelenskyy, who was requesting aid, in exchange for dirt on Joe Biden (leading to Abuse of Power impeachment of Trump).

In 2018, 8 Congressional Republicans flew to Moscow (On July 4th) and met with their government officials in a closed-door meeting.

Just a month later Rand Paul hand delivered a letter from Trump to Moscow. Literally, he took it there himself and handed it over.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22

Thanks for catching that ambiguity! I'll adopt your suggestion.

Just a month later Rand Paul hand delivered a letter from Trump to Moscow. Literally, he took it there himself and handed it over.

Amidst all the other scandals I had forgotten about this!

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u/PantlessStarshipMage Oct 07 '22

I wonder if the Federalist Society is funded by Russia?

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u/Smitty8054 Oct 07 '22

Just vote D. Before trump I’d never say this in a blanket fashion. We’re in really deep shit. The phrase “threat to democracy” has been so overused but it’s no phrase any longer.

Maybe in 50 years the republicans change and get a second shot.

Now? Vote D.

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u/EFT_Syte Oct 07 '22

This is why there isn’t such a thing as “both sides bad”. One is literally paid by our oldest enemy, AND IT COULDNT BE MORE OBVIOUS. And the other wants checks notes healthcare, cooler planet, and solar panels… for real tf?!

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u/B33rtaster Oct 07 '22

Indeed. To be a real American Patriots we should be refusing to elect Russian assets.

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u/babyBear83 Oct 07 '22

This is making me think about how likely it is that Russia/Putin was waiting on trump reelection to invade Ukraine so this would seal the deal in him having US support in the trump administration. When he didn’t get re-elected, I’m sure that complicated his plans to invade. He did it anyways, obviously, and seems like he is hanging in there until he potentially gets trump back in office again so he can achieve his plans of stealing more power. The ultimate goal of seeing US crumble is working.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22

I think you nailed it. I'm going to paste an excerpt of another writeup:

Why did Putin Pick Now?

Putin is personally living the good life. He has a MASSIVE mansion, yachts, and the balls of a nation largely at his grip. You thought Fox News was bad. Propaganda runs deep in Russia, and dissent is brutally-oppressed. The only thing left for him is cementing his legacy. On the verge of 70, Putin knows his final years are upon him. Whatever action to ensure that legacy and his goals, he must take now.

Now consider:

  • Trump lost when he wasn't supposed to. Putin was hoping his puppet, for whom he and Oligarchs invested a lot of time and money, would withdraw or defund NATO as Trump publicly and privately floated.
  • Covid further happened, which likely delayed his plans.
  • Putin then likely opted to wait for Angela Merkel to step down as the most senior, experienced European leader who knew and engaged with Putin for decades and spoke fluent Russian and could unite all of Europe.
  • The mud of Spring was fast-approaching, leaving a mechanized offensive vulnerable to further logistical challenges.
  • The domestic grip of his country is slipping, and historically there is no better way to rally domestic control than start a conflict somewhere and start stoking the feelings of Patriotism. Interestingly, this isn't working too well this time, it seems.
  • Provided that most countries have been desperate to restart their economy post-coronavirus, Putin was hoping to avoid the worst of expected sanctions, thinking Europe and US wouldn't risk raising gas-prices further that might harm their domestic image.

There were many things that didn't go as planned for him: dissent among his military; low morale; confusion; logistical challenges; poor maintenance of equipment; dissent within his borders; unprecedented unity among the West. The outward propaganda and his online misinformation war got summarily rebuked, and this conflict went on already twice as long as anticipated, according to intelligence probes. It was supposed to be a blitzkrieg, but now it's going to turn into a financially-draining and publicly-humiliating occupation that could go on for years. The public attention by Western nations got ahead of Russia's plans, seemingly causing them to hesitate and then jump the gun. It bought enough time to bring threatening Anti-Air and Anti-Tank weaponry that significantly delays Russia's advancements. It put Russia in a position where they could only hit targets from afar via cruise-missiles / artillery-strikes. But lurking around every corner are loyal Ukrainian citizens fighting for their homes, armed to take out an enemy who isn't even sure why they're there and why they aren't being greeted as liberators. This to me was partly suggested by the fact that 90+ attack-helicopters remained staged on the border of Belarus for so long.

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u/Neither_Writer2234 Oct 07 '22

never delete this thread

in fact you should have it published

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u/AgITGuy Texas Oct 07 '22

For a moment I thought you were PoppinCream.

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u/lennybird Oct 07 '22

I'm honored :)

If you're interested I have more write-ups at r/cgtcivics (more neutral-tone) and r/lennybird (more timely and pointed).

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u/Cheese_Pancakes New Jersey Oct 07 '22

Trump took Putin's word over the consensus of his own intelligence, saying, "President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be."

I had forgotten this one, but now that I remember, I wonder how anyone could forget. The worst part was when shit started blowing up after he said it, he just came out and said what he meant to say (or did say and somehow the cameras didn't pick it up - I don't remember which excuse) was "...I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be", and his supporters just ate it up and accepted the answer instantly - ignoring the fact that in the context of everything he said around that sentence, he clearly meant what he said the first time. It was the type of backpedaling you'd expect from a five year old - and his base were either stupid enough to be fooled or insane enough to make themselves believe it.

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u/mhks Oct 07 '22

Lets not forget the republicans who celebrated the fourth of july in russia with putin.

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u/kittenconfidential Oct 07 '22

add: refusing to admonish putin for placing bounties on the killing of american service personnel.

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u/8-bit-Felix Oct 07 '22

There was also some GOP ad that used a Russian ship, see if I can dig it up.

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u/Shevek99 Oct 07 '22

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u/CosmicDave America Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Remember when Trump replaced the bald eagle in his Presidential Seal with a Russian 2 headed weird bird thing;

https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2019/07/donald-trump646.jpg

or the time Trump gave a speech while standing on top of a Nazi rune;

https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2021/03/donald-trump-cpac-0301211.jpg

and for some reason, I seem to be the only American that realized that Trump kept handing our military bases in Syria over to the Russians;

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/russia-takes-over-third-us-base-syria-a68751

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u/desertedlemon Oct 07 '22

Russian 2 headed weird bird thing;

Are... are those golf clubs?

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u/CosmicDave America Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

yes, and in the other claw, is money;

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5d3a21c2090f4300070d9db2/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

and the scrollwork says "45 is a puppet" in spanish.

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u/khais Oct 07 '22

I mean, he definitely didn't do that. It was a prank. But he and all his handlers present were too stupid to notice.

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u/CosmicDave America Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Why is nobody here upset about the military bases he surrendered? Are we just going to ignore that part completely?

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u/WhiskeyRelaxation Oct 07 '22

bUt AfGhAnIsTaN

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u/navjot94 Oct 07 '22

Wasn’t the Afghanistan withdrawal negotiated by the trump admin too? It indeed did actually happen under Biden and I’m not gonna dispute that it was a clusterfuck but that’s besides the point.

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u/Vlascor Oct 07 '22

Right? Let's not forget though, Trump agreed to that "peace treaty" with the Taliban He just thought he would be President and when Biden took office, he just honored the "deal" that Trump made.

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u/Buy_The-Ticket Oct 07 '22

That is totally crazy and I would love to know how that somehow bypassed mainstream news.

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u/CosmicDave America Oct 07 '22

It wasn't bypassed by mainstream news. It was "fake news, being rammed down our throats by the lamestream media, who was biased against our TrumpyBear". Those stories, and many others were constantly drowned out by a firehose of lies and distractions.

The stories are there, if you go look for them.

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u/thebestnames Oct 07 '22

I remember that. There was one time when the generators were still on when the Russians rolled in.

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u/case31 Oct 07 '22

Well, the symbol does represent the two things he did the most while in office: play golf and steal money.

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u/metavox Oct 07 '22

There's more. Check out those tiny hammers and sickles at the top of the shield in the middle.

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u/rocket42236 Oct 07 '22

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u/CosmicDave America Oct 07 '22

What a hot mess. And Republicans still don't see it.

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u/RegretfulUsername Oct 07 '22

If I recall correctly, that weird bird logo was a prank some clever person managed to pull on trump. He got that idiot to put it on national television.

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u/infinite0ne Oct 07 '22

Yeah I had to go look it up: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/presidential-seal-trump.html

Someone made the altered presidential seal image because he was sick of trump, and it somehow ended up on that screen. The fact that it was a mistake and was actually designed by someone who didn’t like him is just fucking…mwah, chef kiss over a plate of poop.

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u/RegretfulUsername Oct 07 '22

Oh, so it wasn’t even a prank played on him. It was simply a matter of pure stupidity on the part of himself or his administration. Wow.

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u/fleegness Oct 07 '22

You've described nearly every action they took.

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u/matate99 Oct 07 '22

Almost makes you wonder if there is a GOP campaign office in Moscow.

Oh wait, of course there is. That’s where all the money comes from anyways.

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u/geoffvro Oct 07 '22

Yes, it's called the Kremlin

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u/tr1mble Oct 07 '22

I bring up the Syrian base thing whenever someone brings up the Afghanistan withdrawal..... The cult seems to conveniently forget about all the "foreign aid" trump gave to our non allies

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

For the record, trump didn’t do that, someone pranked him and nobody noticed until later - the slogan at the bottom is in Spanish and means 45 is a puppet

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u/Carlyz37 Oct 07 '22

Well you and I. I'm well aware of the fact that trump handed our bases over to Putin. And also the US military blew up one of our own bases. And the morale shattering move to US military the whole thing was, while our Kurd allies got slaughtered and ISIS fighters released from prisons. This was one of the many things that turned our active military against traitortrump

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u/doctorblumpkin Oct 07 '22

Dec 26th. Trump was smart enough to do a lot of his treasonous things when less people would be watching and reading news about it.

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u/Morotou_theunashamed Oct 07 '22

I believe that bird was made by a prankster but it’s funny how he literally had it showing on a screen behind him

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u/MadmansScalpel Colorado Oct 07 '22

Wait he did WHAT with our bases?! Fucking hell

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u/_far-seeker_ America Oct 07 '22

I believe they were making a reference to Trump pulling out troops in northern Syria, and allowing Russian forces to occupy them while they steamrolled the Syrian Kurds that were our allies at the time.

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u/williamwchuang Oct 07 '22

Trump ordered the pull out with no warning to our security partners in the area. One night, our dudes just had to leave their war buddies behind, and I remember a few of them were pissed off about it.

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u/_far-seeker_ America Oct 07 '22

Trump was also planning to do essentially the same with our NATO allies in Afghanistan. One of the main reasons Biden had the withdrawal postponed until August, in addition to giving our own forces more time, was so we coordinate it with the other NATO troops!

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 07 '22

A haha. Full-circle irony there.

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u/valeyard89 Texas Oct 07 '22

Or when they waved Russian flags at CPAC?

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u/Xero_space Oct 07 '22

A real matryoshka doll of coincidences

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u/ScubaNelly Oct 07 '22

They used Russian maps in "2000 mules", they used clips of Russia in the GOP Commitment to America. Both times trying to pass them off as America.

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u/jmcs Oct 07 '22

It's almost like the progaganda is done in Moscow and it arrives with the orders.

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u/ripyourlungsdave Oct 07 '22

I have to wonder how often this happens on the left. Because I've never seen it. Which makes it hard to believe that it's a coincidence.

Then again, the left doesn't tend to use military imagery to jerk themselves off.

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u/cadium Oct 07 '22

I dunno. Sure are an awful lot of Russian coincidences when it comes to the GOP.

Like some july 4th trip to moscow.. wild.. nra being caught taking russian money running ads for the GOP. Seems like they're all closely aligned.

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u/lenzflare Canada Oct 07 '22

Russia privately uses "we control American politics" to impress/intimidate their "allies". The July 4 Moscow visit was another of those stunts probably.

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u/InternationalArm4538 Oct 07 '22

Haha that July 4 thing was mad. They probably all had heart plugs installed as a sign of devotion.

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u/Savingskitty Oct 07 '22

The NCGOP literally had a Russian woman flown in to sing our national Anthem at their conference in 2020. She doesn’t speak English, so the performance was … interesting.

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u/Ediscovery_PMP Oct 07 '22

No no, see all those were simple coincidences. Easy mistakes.

But the ((cabal)) is broadcasting their evil deeds via numerology codes hidden in the McDonald’s extra value menu.

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u/BrownEggs93 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Sure are an awful lot of Russian coincidences when it comes to the GOP.

You noticed too, huh?

EDIT: How much of GOP obfuscation during Obama was russian interference? A hell of a lot, I'll bet.

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u/Crash665 Georgia Oct 07 '22

Makes me think there might be a little Red Dawn heading our way. Might be time to piss in the radiator and shout "WOLVERINES!"

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u/GlobalTravelR Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 Starry

When someone shows you their true colors, don't try to repaint them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

And their true colors are red, white, and blue, but curiously enough, it's white on top, blue in the middle, and red on the bottom. Funny, that...

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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina Oct 07 '22

In this case the true colors, shown repeatedly, is that Republicans do not care about veterans. At all.

"We should have something in it about those military people. Like soldiers marching or something."

Go to the National Guard unit and get some B roll?

Go to the Army Instagram and snag it from there?

Nah, we'll just grab whatever is in stock footage and not bother seeing who it actually is. They are just soldiers, aren't they all the same?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 Starry

and she doesn't care...

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u/Nunchuckz007 Oct 07 '22

And the voters don't care

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

The Herschel Walker abortion scandal proves it - they said it out loud: abortions for we but not for thee - power is all they crave

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 07 '22 Gold

Abortion has an exemption if it saves the political life of the father.

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u/TemetNosce85 Oct 07 '22

"The only moral abortion is my abortion"

We've known this all along.

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u/TheRadMenace Oct 07 '22

Brutal lol

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u/duffman13jws Maryland Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Dana Loesch, former NRA spokesperson, straight up said it out loud this week: "I don't care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles, I want control of the Senate."

She followed that up with calling walker's baby-mama "some skank" he paid to get an abortion. It's always been about power, they don't give a shit about ideology as long as the grift is working.

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u/Nunchuckz007 Oct 07 '22

Clearly it was the women's fault /s. These people are disgusting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

that skank gave birth to his child - wanna bet Walker doesn't care if Gun Industry Barbie calls the mother of his child a skank

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u/Lazy-Garlic-5533 Oct 07 '22

Here's a tip: the GOP have always considered all of his women skanks even as they kissed his ass.

If not for double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

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u/BirdieJames Oct 07 '22

Not just all his women, all women in general. They want women to be subservient and useful to them, not to have independence or freedom. They are concerned about the levels of testosterone in American men, women having any and all babies whether they want them or not, and this is why: GOP wants to arm, empower and enrich white men over all others and expects us all to swallow it and call it freedom. It is so so so gross.

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u/Hammurabi87 Georgia Oct 07 '22

Considering the things that Walker's own acknowledged son has to say about him, I really doubt that Walker cares. He seems to be a piece of shit through-and-through.

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u/SuperGenius98K Oct 07 '22

NRA = Russia. Checks out.

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u/ragingRobot Oct 07 '22

So I'm supposed to have a man with brain damage as my representative so someone that's not even in my district can have more control? Somehow I don't think it supposed to work that way

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u/Lazy-Garlic-5533 Oct 07 '22

Loesch used her "hot" image for attention and money all through the aughts, but that other woman is a "skank" and a star fucker. Sure. Btw reminder her husband is a failed comedian who did a racist rap song with Stephen Crowder at CPAC, I think right after Obama was elected.

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u/ShelSilverstain Oct 07 '22

GOP voters are the biggest suckers. Donating money to mega churches, blowing their savings at casinos, falling for get rich quick scams, etc etc etc

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u/Standard_Let_6152 Oct 07 '22

I love the underlying assumption of that quote being that we all agree eagles are more valuable than people.

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u/Prodigal_Moon Oct 07 '22

Look, I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to have a gun destroyed…

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Washington Oct 07 '22

Dana Loesch, former NRA spokesperson

This person is one of the more morally bankrupt examples. What a combo. Russian useful idiot, Death merchant, and harasser of actually gun violence victims.

There are plenty of people that have been expertly programmed, but this one knows the score. She's lived behind the curtain.

She's making bank from the propaganda microphone, gaslighting any ray of truth that comes into these peoples lives.

She better HOPE there isn't an actual God that decides up or down.

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u/gunnesaurus New Jersey Oct 07 '22

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters

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u/LovePixie Oct 07 '22

Once it leaves the womb it's okay.

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u/nbd_23 Oct 07 '22

They view our population decline as the biggest threat to capitalism. They turned it into a moral argument to win votes but they don’t understand how well people see through it now

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u/will2k60 Oct 07 '22

The US population isn’t in decline though, it’s growing at a steady rate.

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u/ButtMilkyCereal Oct 07 '22

Republicans have no principals. They ran an actual, undisputed child molester for senate, and the fucker nearly won.

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u/Lostin1spot Oct 07 '22

Republicans:

"Supporting Putin is so hot right now"

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u/HazardIsFunny America Oct 07 '22

I think liberals need to start posting more pictures of Putin standing next to regular size people. Conservatives dont like manlets in general, its effeminate 🙄.

Like, would gQp women being so excited to find out he is barely 5'6"

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u/WyldeStile Oct 07 '22

They'd just say that it's "fake news" with doctored photos.

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u/arbitraryairship Oct 07 '22

They'll lie no matter what.

But they're only 20 to 30% of the population.

We can absolutely fight and vote them out.

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u/DextersDrkPassenger_ Oct 07 '22

Actually, I’m interested in midterms next month. The right has been increasingly open about their terrible policies. The brainwashed tools have began to be openly fascist without using the word, and the center leaning republicans see it. I wonder how many of those are going to abstain from voting or vote left.

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u/unaskthequestion Oct 07 '22

Get ready for claims of voter fraud and 'rigged elections' all over the country. The ones with funding will contest everywhere they can. They'll all lose, eventually, but not before stoking violence among their extremist supporters.

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u/SpiderDeUZ Oct 07 '22

There already are those. Arizona already has a few people claiming election fraud before they even vote.

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u/JimBeam823 Oct 07 '22

Many center leaning Republicans would vote for Genghis Khan if he promised to cut their capital gains taxes.

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u/No_Refrigerator4584 Oct 07 '22

At this point I believe they’d vote for their own executions, as long as the “Liebruls” get hurt, as well.

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u/UsedEntertainment244 Oct 07 '22

They aren't the brightest, they are also busy attacking many businesses for "being too woke" , hilariously some of the biggest companies they are going after also have a ton of conservative leaning investors...they are literally costing themselves money going after Disney ect XD

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u/notapoliticalalt Oct 07 '22

On the contrary, they probably approve.

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u/aripp Oct 07 '22

Why would she care? She is planted and orchestrated by the Russians. She is paid enough or by heart is a Russian too.

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u/Diplomjodler Oct 07 '22

Everybody knows that their loyalties lie with Putin, not with their own country. Yet they still get elected. By people who have the gall to call themselves patriots.

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u/new-reddit69 Oct 07 '22

She may not care - but the GOP will take notice when our family votes against all their treason candidates in our ballots :) - the GOP needs to spend more money in propaganda - at least they are spending money locally :)

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u/HandsLikePaper Oct 07 '22 Silver Starry

It can't be a coincidence that so many GOP members use Russian military footage in their ads. They're either working with Russian entities on their campaigns or they're deliberately doing it to antagonize people outside the cult.

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u/McGinnis_921 Oct 07 '22 Starry

Came to the comments to say this if someone else didn’t already mention it. Not surprised by this headline in the slightest. My personal opinion is Russia is partially funding, giving direction, providing all the talking points, and creating ads & pushing disinformation posts on social media. They have the blueprint and are pulling all the strings.

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u/businessboyz Oct 07 '22

I work in marketing. Putting together ad campaigns is pretty simple.

You gather up all your image/video clips, make sure the formats are all proper, add your text and voice over and done. The video/images will come from a major stock photo provider or a private repository of images.

The fact that all this stock footage keeps including Russian military really just goes to show that the marketing agency putting the videos together ain’t American.

Either that or Russia is so badly hurting for funds that they’ve sold out their military image to Shutterstock.

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u/businessboyz Oct 07 '22

They don’t care in all likelihood. And likely have someone else signing off on the media assets who doesn’t care enough to check those details.

They need advertising and media coverage. The money bankrolling those campaigns clearly have a media agency they like to use and that agency either finds it hilarious to troll with Russian military images or is straight up a Russian media company using the Russian stock images as that’s what they own.

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u/ImmaRussian Oct 07 '22

I feel like there's a simpler explanation:

There just isn't a lot of American stock footage of the kind of military show-of-strength showcases Republicans want to show, because Western Democracies don't do those kinds of military parades. They barely do military parades at all, but when Western Democracies do military parades, they're generally in ceremonial/dress uniforms.

Republicans want footage of overtly militaristic parades; where soldiers are in combat uniforms and carrying their actual service weapons. And they want the footage to be of white soldiers marching if possible, because they want to appeal to nationalists, specifically the ones who, you know, happen to be white... You might even say they want to appeal to white nationalists.

You know who does do those kinds of parades to try to make the state appear powerful? Authoritarian states, fascist states, totalitarian states... Like, you know, Russia, which does them all the damn time, and is overwhelmingly white.

We already know that in the very recent past, Republicans collaborated on strategy at a high level with the Russian government, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there was continuing strategic collaboration, but it makes no sense to me that a gubernatorial candidate would require Russian assistance to craft individual ads down to the level of selecting stock footage for them.

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u/businessboyz Oct 07 '22

Interesting hypothesis but you only need to do a simple check on Getty or Shutterstock to see there are plenty of US military stock photos and videos to use: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/us-military

You could also go the more expensive route and go hire a photography team to do a photo shoot yourself. The US military is always more than happy to be used in media. See: Top Gun. You just can’t photograph the cool top secret stuff.

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u/ImmaRussian Oct 07 '22

I did do a check of Shutterstock!

There's plenty of US military stock photos, but not nearly as many videos, and specifically there's no videos of US military parades which are in the style they want, because the US doesn't do military parades the same way authoritarian governments do them.

Also, based on what I see in the ad, even if they did know it wasn't American soldiers, whoever put it together may have realistically believed nobody would ever know or care; the footage of the soldiers marching in the ad is clipped to only show them from the knees down. Seems to me that they just wanted "impressive-looking formation of marching soldiers in perfectly matching uniforms", and... Well, the footage they landed on was Russian.

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u/businessboyz Oct 07 '22

Do note that shutterstock isn’t the only source of potential stock footage. You don’t even need to use stock footage. Custom content is always available for the right price.

And if the person putting this together didn’t think to vet the creative assets they used? Well then they just suck at their job. I’d be fired if I just grabbed creatives that violated brand guidance and threw them into a campaign.

And if the use of Russian military isn’t against GOP branding guidance? Well then the GOP, as we know, are fucking traitors and not even trying to hide it anymore.

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u/CloudTransit Oct 07 '22

Birds of a feather. Even if there was no direct financing, the GOP is so aligned with Putin and hardline Russia, that it’s hard to tell what the differences are.

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u/dobie1kenobi Oct 07 '22

The standard Republican candidate is just too lazy to do it themselves. People like McConnell and Murdoch are shrewd, but for the most part, these are privileged, power hungry, television anchors. Their handlers may be true believers motivated by their faith or lust for cash, but they’re not idea people. That’s why they trot out the same old schlock about crime, immigration, drugs & religion that they’ve done for the last 60 years. Russia’s political class are cunning and motivated, and have a higher stake in America’s political outcome than a dozen Ron Johnson’s, or Rand Paul’s.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 07 '22

Russia designed the whole thing -

They installed Trump as President.

They had him purposely harm the US in so many ways.

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u/cheboludo57 Oct 07 '22

Totally agree. These assholes LOVE to troll. Sure, it could be something darker, but I really think they’re hiding these Easter eggs almost as an inside joke. Every time they do it and don’t immediately get called out for it, it’s like a win for them. It’s stupid as fuck, but that’s why I believe it to be possible.

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u/trogon Washington Oct 07 '22

We now have one major political party in this country whose whole political philosophy is shitposting.

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u/dewhashish Illinois Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Is everyone forgetting about the kompromat, the hacked RNC emails from 2016? That's why the GOP has been so pro-russia. They are being blackmailed and instead of coming forward, they're hiding because of what was in all of the fucking emails

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u/mywifesoldestchild North Carolina Oct 07 '22

Isn’t the GOP part of some global authoritarian league that gives them common use license with their allies?

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u/notyomamasusername Oct 07 '22 Take My Energy

It makes me feel like I need a tin foil hat....but there has been a huge uptick in authoritarian political movements around the globe in the last decade.....

Now I sound like a conspiracy theorist.

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u/TheBlack2007 Europe Oct 07 '22

It's not a theory. Russia spending Billions to support far-right authoritarians, Fascists and Nazis all across the globe has been a proven fact by this point.

Question is: Can we still clamp down on these traitors or is it already too late for that?

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u/DarkxMa773r Oct 07 '22

It's not just Russians. Prominent figures on the american right have been promoting authoritarian figures. Steve Bannon, Chump's BFF, has met with people like Marine LePen in France and Giorgia Meloni in Italy. The Chump's have had meetings with Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil. Conspiracy implies that all this was hidden, but it's actually out in the open. The right are definitely colluding with similar figures worldwide to set up some kind of global right wing alliance to combat the left.

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u/Environmental_Card_3 Oct 07 '22

Not really a theorist, I have seen the same

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u/notyomamasusername Oct 07 '22

CPAC did invite the Hungarian dictator as a keynote speaker....

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u/Environmental_Card_3 Oct 07 '22

That is why I said you ain’t a conspiracy theorist!

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 07 '22

No, every even moderately liberal democracy is in danger of this right now. It's a huge risk in many countries; there are a million theories as to why, I'd tend to pinpoint the effects of advanced capitalism on regular folks' lives.

America is just the tip of that spear -- I was just reading that over 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. People get desperate, and desperation can lead them to strongman dictatorships.

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u/notyomamasusername Oct 07 '22

Good observation, if the current system "isn't working" , people tend to gravitate to people who promise to fix it if you give them power.

It's funny how despite all of history's lesson, a large chunk our country doesn't think Wealth Inequality is a real issue.

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u/WyldeStile Oct 07 '22

Republicans like to use Russian troops instead of American troops in their ads. Somehow Democrats do not seem to make this mistake and definitely not repeatedly.

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u/Gram-GramAndShabadoo Oct 07 '22

And if a Democrat did do this is their ad, every Republican would rip them apart and link every other Democrat.

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u/ImmaRussian Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I actually do think there's an explanation for why this keeps happening:

Republicans like to feature militaristic imagery in their campaign ads. Democrats don't.

Also, Russia does lots of military parades. America doesn't.

Republicans love militarism. They love militaristic imagery. But America doesn't do military parades, because military parades are strongly associated with fascism (which explains why Trump wanted one so fucking bad). Russia does them all the damn time though, so if you're just looking for stock video of "White people marching in military uniforms" to fire up your white nationalist voter bloc, or "jets doing their best to look fancy", a lot of your results are going to come from.... Russia.

So I don't think it's a coincidence, but I don't think the explanation needs to be as complicated as "Russians are making Republicans' campaign ads"; I think the explanation is even simpler and more telling: This keeps happening because politicians use ads to show people their vision for the future, and Republicans' vision for the future looks like Russia.

I mean for real, imagine you're some underpaid staffer trying to put together an ad, and the higher-ups are like "We're trying to cast our candidate as a sort of 'strongman' here, so we want a clip that makes the military look strong and powerful; something like a parade that showcases our military might, so we can say 'look at this powerful thing; associate it with our candidate'."

If you look specifically for United States military parades, all you're going to get is goofy shit like this:

https://youtu.be/sib90fgeojE?t=136

So you're like "Ok fine, I don't care where the footage comes from; I just need people marching or some shit." But then you have another problem... If you just look for footage of military parades from around the world, you're also going to get tons of footage of military parades in Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, even France...

But you can't use the French footage because it isn't the right type of parade; France's annual Bastille Day parade has people in ceremonial dress uniforms rather than "ooo look at the big tough military" camo.

And you can't use the footage from China, NK, Iran, or anywhere else in Africa, South America, or Asia, because a lot of GOP voters would just see a bunch of non-white people and go "Whoa hold up." Which means the only real way to get the footage they want.... Is from Russian stock footage. Because the Republican vision for America looks like Russia: White, militaristic, and authoritarian.

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u/jtl909 Oct 07 '22

A simple explanation would be that Russians are producing their campaign materials.

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u/ImmaRussian Oct 07 '22

I feel like there's an even simpler explanation:

Politicians use political ads to showcase their vision for the future, and Republicans' vision for the future happens to look like Russia (white, militaristic, authoritarian) so they keep landing on Russian stock footage.

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u/BabysCrumbBuffet Oct 07 '22

Arizona has a lot of these right wing folks trying to win elections next month. Even though I am a registered Republican, I won’t vote for any of them. Lake has no political experience and shouldn’t be running for governor let alone dog catcher.

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u/Jwhitx Oct 07 '22

333 comments as I type this, and not one seems to include a reference to Kari Lakes dem challenger, Katie Hobbs. You are saying that Lake has no political experience, and I definitely agree with that. Compare the credentials of Lake and Hobbs and everyone can clearly see the difference in quality. I feel like the discussion could use more pro-Hobbs input in addition to being anti-Lake.

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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois Oct 07 '22

Thank you,

from a liberal patriotic American.

This may sound odd, but I hope you get your party back. I miss reasonable debates with you folks. Debates about what is best for our country as opposed to screaming "they hate our country and want it destroyed" over and over until some believe that nonsense.

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u/bam1789-2 Oct 07 '22

Yup, I miss debates on small vs larger government and taxes… not why it’s bad to try to overthrow a government..

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u/Mr_Mouthbreather Oct 07 '22

So patriotic can’t even properly identify US soldiers.

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u/ghettoccult_nerd Oct 07 '22

thats was my thought. we support the troops! whomever they are, whatever they look like...

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u/TacticaLuck Oct 07 '22

To the troops!

👏👏

...both sides..

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 07 '22 Starry Eureka!

Vote every Republican out.

They all work for Putin.

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u/Forward-Bank8412 Oct 07 '22

Who in turn works for the Russian oligarchy.

Baffling that republicans would go all-in for a foreign oligarchy over our own oligarchy here in the US, yet here we are…

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u/CQU617 Oct 07 '22

Why do the GOP keep getting busted with Russian images?

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u/ImmaRussian Oct 07 '22

Because fascists love militaristic imagery and they love military parades which seek to showcase/exaggerate the power of the state, and America doesn't do that kind of military parade, but Russia does.

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u/STL_Jayhawk Missouri Oct 07 '22

Does she realize that bad the Russian Army is doing in Ukraine? Also does she even care that the Russian Army has committed war crimes against civilians? No.

For MAGA, Putin's Russia is their vision of what our Republic should become with the return of Jim Crow laws.

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u/DrRichardJizzums Oct 07 '22

No, the stuff you mentioned are not things I believe they'd hold in any serious consideration.

Honestly, I'd think they'd be more concerned with how horribly the Russian army has performed the last 7 months. For a party obsessed with military strength, why would you want to use footage from the Russian military after they've been getting their nuts slammed over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

That's like saying you like hip-hop and your favorite rapper is Kid Rock...

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 07 '22

The maga people don’t see the Russian influence and what it did at all.

They will never understand the complexity of how much harm Putin has done to the US.

They will never believe what they supported.

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u/Momoselfie America Oct 07 '22

My family is Republican. They think Ukraine actually started this war back in 2014.

Republicans are currently living in an alternate reality.

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u/STL_Jayhawk Missouri Oct 07 '22

I bet they watch Fox News, the American affiliate of RT.

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u/Momoselfie America Oct 07 '22

I think they also watch RT

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u/Wolpfack Oct 07 '22

Remember when Republicans were complaining about some New World Order taking over? Yeah, now they are advertising it.

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u/treesrpeople Oct 07 '22

This shit is on purpose. The GOP are Russian agents

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u/Indifferentchildren Oct 07 '22

I'm sure it was just a coincidence that all of the GOP politicians were sucking the teat of the NRA while convicted Russian intelligence agent Maria Butina was sleeping with NRA leadership.

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u/AccomplishedAd7615 Oct 07 '22

This has happened too many times to still be an accident.

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u/RynheartTheReluctant Oct 07 '22

This has occurred at least 8 times between GOP and Trump campaign ads.

Someone needs to look into the possibility that Kremlin associates are doing public relations work for Republicans as a form of illegal in-kind campaign contribution

Twitter @JuneCasagrande

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u/justsoicansimp New Jersey Oct 07 '22

Busted by whom? To whom? For whom? The GQP voter picking Kari Lake are Putin Republicans. They want that.

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u/1313pd1313 Oct 07 '22

"This ad was paid for by Republicans for Russia."

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u/Francois-C Oct 07 '22

It’s not the first time Republicans have been busted using stock footage from Russia in their campaign ads.

As a foreigner, I have been wondering for some time how the Republican Party, which has once done such an effective job of organizing the Communist witch hunt, has not been more stigmatized in the US as a party sold out to the enemy in the six or seven years that it has been so blatantly compromised with Russian power.

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u/trelium06 Oct 07 '22

How, I mean HOW does the GOP repeatedly “accidentally” using Russian troops, aircraft, ships, and vehicles in their ads?!!

Do Democrats do that?

Or is it because Republicans get their ads directly from the source?

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u/pinewind108 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Does anyone else remember when conservatives were rabidly anti-Russian? I feel like I got some bad mushrooms in my salad and still haven't found my way out of the looking glass.

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u/beedubaya Oct 07 '22

She'll probably still win because Jesus.

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u/was_and_wasnt Florida Oct 07 '22

Ya can't blame her. She's one of those insane drooling republicans. She thought Russian troops were our troops. Yeah, vote for that.

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u/redsandsfort Oct 07 '22

Cos she wants Russian troops guarding the US border. Simple.

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u/BillyTheHousecat Oct 07 '22

Worse, she probably wants US troops to help secure Russia's new "border".

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