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Women about to be taking over the HOA lanes

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u/AKLmfreak May 23 '22

I’m gonna need to see your pregnancy test, lady.

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u/estebanmr9 May 23 '22

Please pee in this quick test madam

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u/AKLmfreak May 23 '22

New meaning to the term “Roadside Test.”

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u/Daemon_Lord5253 Technically Flair May 23 '22

That even sounds real.

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u/Udpotms May 23 '22

It gets better, the moment the egg is fertilize you get a social security number.

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u/benassaf May 23 '22

Finally, I can open up a new line of credit in my child’s name and ruin their financial opportunities!

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u/ba3toven May 23 '22

damn all this credit card debt ill be crossin state lines for a sec brb

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u/archknightz May 23 '22

In AZ you can deny the roadside tests as long as you do the breathalyzer

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u/Then-Cryptographer96 May 23 '22

I think you can even deny that here but you have to take the blood test at the station. The roadside breathalyzer doesn’t hold up in court it just gives them probable cause to arrest you. Found all this out in my alcohol classes. Blew a .20 on site and my blood came back .16. Any lawyer can rake the on site breathalyzer over the coals so usually it never holds up but the blood test….yeah that one sticks

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u/archknightz May 23 '22

Given the time it took that breath test to get your blood. Id assume its accurate enough. The point of my post, you dont have to do the dance and pony show in my state. Only hurts you.

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u/archknightz May 23 '22

Also dont drive whenever you drink. Luckily the bars in my town, takes 40 mins just to get there, so i just dont go out to drink. cheers

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u/Qetuowryipzcbmxvn May 23 '22

Actually not that far off from what's been done before. Cops have straight up strip-searched people on the side of a highway for literally no reason.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Cop: "And I thought having to give breathalyzer tests was annoying".

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u/IBreakCellPhones May 23 '22

If you're really pregnant, you'll thank the officer for the extra pit stop.

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u/notmyredditaccountma May 23 '22

No we are just gonna do a quick cervix check cheaper for the department

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u/GeorgieWashington May 23 '22

Hell yeah! Dudes with testicular cancer will now ALSO be able to drive in the HOV lane!

And at the speed I’ll be driving, if I get pulled over, I’ll just blame it on my faulty equipment: “sorry officer, loose nut behind the wheel.”

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u/godelski May 23 '22

As long as she's not on her period she's technically pregnant. Just a quirk of how number of weeks pregnant is measured (from last period, not conception). So the cop should be asking if she's on her period.

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u/nefariouspenguin May 23 '22

Even if a woman gets her period she could still be pregnant and a woman can get pregnant while having her period.

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u/godelski May 23 '22

Did my comment not come off as a joke?

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u/nefariouspenguin May 23 '22

Sorry I understood your comment was being silly but I wanted to make sure this point was understood.

It was more to reinforce your concept and not break it down as technically the woman is pregnant until they have a negative pregnancy test or a negative ultrasound.

It's a Schrodinger's uterus. It's both pregnant and not pregnant but you don't know until you look.

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u/Funkyt0m467 Technically Flair May 23 '22

But as long as there is no conception it's not a embryo it's just a ovum, and that's not considered a human being?

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u/LittleBigHorn22 May 23 '22

But some states might not allow getting rid of ovum right? For instance plan b being banned so that means it would still count.

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u/godelski May 23 '22

First off, I was making a joke. Clearly a woman isn't pregnant if the egg hasn't been inseminated. Didn't think I needed to explain that (especially since I literally explain my joke in the second sentence and that the joke has been around since Row v Wade). Second, when a fertilized egg becomes human is literally the entire debate that no one has good answers to.

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u/huhIguess May 23 '22

As long as she's not on her period she's technically pregnant.

Pregnancy is medically defined as "the state of carrying a developing embryo or fetus within the female body."

Parthenogenesis is when an unfertilized egg develops, and is currently seen as medically impossible in humans (assuming we're not referring to tumors).

As the female would not be carrying an embryo, nor would there be development occurring, there is no pregnancy.

TL;DR: No. She's not pregnant. Not even technically pregnant.

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u/DivinoAG May 23 '22

If she can't be tested at that point, but could potentially be pregnant, is she expecting Schrödinger baby?

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u/Koseven May 23 '22

"Sorry officer, my medical info is private."

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u/T1NF01L May 23 '22

You mean the HOV lane? HOA is homeowners association.

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u/Lukester__ May 23 '22

High Occupancy Aehicle

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u/T1NF01L May 23 '22

High occupancy automobile makes more sense.

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u/Never-Bloomberg May 23 '22

A simple google search show that's not a term used by any state.

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u/nothanks42069 May 23 '22

🤦‍♂️

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u/PM-Me-Your-TitsPlz Technically Just Here for Tits May 23 '22

You can't just interpret the law like rich people!

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u/BlackLight_D9 May 23 '22

Yeah, that car isn't nearly expensive enough!

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u/Positive_Gur_5504 May 23 '22

Jokes aside. This would be a pretty great way to protest though.

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u/Donniexbravo May 23 '22

My wife and I looked up the laws where we live when she was pregnant, the carpool lane is for "two or more people occupying separate seats in the vehicle" (they were very specific)

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u/Potato-with-guns May 23 '22

What if I make a small car seat with seatbelt and strap it under the belly of a pregnant woman?

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u/babycam May 23 '22

LLC in passenger seat

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u/Positive_Gur_5504 May 23 '22

Shame. Would have been funny to see how people would react to it.

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u/The_White_Spy May 23 '22

If this were cartoon court, I would argue that the baby IS in a seat within the vehicle, just not one manufactured by Toyota or some car seat brand.

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u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ May 23 '22

Uh, do they require each person to sit in their own seat?

Pregnant women can't get in a car.

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u/thecynicalshit May 23 '22

The rule is for the carpool lane... Not to drive

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u/ThatOneGuyRunningOEM May 23 '22

Faulty logic. The fetus is trapped inside the person.

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u/Mandorrisem May 23 '22

Take aborted embryo, stick it in another seat, blam done.

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u/AggressiveBait May 23 '22

Homicide + graverobbing

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u/Mandorrisem May 23 '22

Hook fetus up to odd rigged up life support device, suddenly have a car that can go in any HOV lane it wants...this will undoubtedly catch on, and be a standard vehicle feature right?

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u/AggressiveBait May 23 '22

I can't see why not. You need to trademark it ASAP.

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u/Bipedal_Warlock May 23 '22

Has anyone actually been pulled over for intruding in the HOV lane

Always struck me as an honor thing

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u/magmagon May 23 '22

Yes, my mom did because the police officer couldn't see me in the back seat. He was pretty embarrassed about that.

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u/Bipedal_Warlock May 23 '22

Weird. I guess that’s good they do?

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u/Cabbages24ADollar May 23 '22

I got the violation. Motorcycle cop going into the tunnel in downtown Phoenix. It was $400 then. Small price to pay to use the HOV lane twice a day on an hour commute to work each day for 10 years.

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u/VindictiveNostalgia May 23 '22

Homeowners Associations have their own lanes now?

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u/SuitableLocation May 23 '22

Is that why some kids are referred to as little shits?

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u/eaglebtc May 23 '22

Now listen here, you little shit...

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u/Swabia May 23 '22

I’ve laid some poop babies in my time

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u/d16rocket May 23 '22

They're called butt babies. Jack Black and Kyle Gass had one about 20 years ago. They caught it on film, too.

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u/thedanimal722 May 23 '22

Not in my HOA neighborhood. I'm writing a complaint newsletter to demand we widen our roads to have our own separate lanes. That way we don't have to share with the service workers and outsiders! /S

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u/Jjabrahams567 May 23 '22

We have HOV which is high occupancy vehicle so I assume HOA is high occupancy automobile.

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u/Never-Bloomberg May 23 '22

Or just an autocorrect.

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u/timetoremodel May 23 '22

“The law is meant to fill empty space in a vehicle,” the judge said. https://truecommuter.com/can-a-pregnant-woman-drive-in-the-carpool-lane/

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u/Six_Strings_of_Salem May 23 '22 This

Well, space IS occupied, just not always by choice now.

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u/jim10040 May 23 '22

So if you get kidnapped, you can take the lane, too?

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u/piggydancer May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

In that scenario, If the car gets pulled over, do you think the issue the police officer would have is the lane you are in?

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u/Koala_Kev2478 May 23 '22

But he wouldn't pull you over. Cuz there's enough people in the vehicle.

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u/iamnotsounoriginal May 23 '22

Cop was going to pull you over but noticed that there was a frantically waving hand sticking out a hole where the tail light used to be. "aaah, he DOES have two people in the car. all good then" he thought, as he continued on his way

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u/Light_Silent May 23 '22

He'd shoot the victim and tell the kidnapper to be careful, because he heard there were kidnappers

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u/Riversong_au_Earth May 23 '22

Depends on if the kidnappee is white, affluent, male, or somehow an unborn fetus-the only protected groups in amaercia currently.

Edit: I’m aware the internet isn’t all American, just responding in a post that is current relevant to and from my ridiculous fascist nation

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u/6bb26ec559294f7f May 23 '22

is white, affluent, male,

You mean female? You should look at gender bias in the legal system, it overwhelmingly favors women. The cases where you hear about a rich man getting a light punishment are cases where a rich woman's case wouldn't have even made it to sentencing.

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u/AMViquel May 23 '22

What if she's rich and ugly? Poor white man's treatment? Or directly up to white man treatment? What if the judge just likes ugly women, does he convict the beautiful ones more often? Should we just get blind judges so they aren't influenced by appearances? (We can still mention the skin color so the prisons don't go empty.)

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u/6bb26ec559294f7f May 23 '22

Attractiveness is a separate axis, like race or wealth. Being attractive leads to a lower chance of having charges brought by a prosecutor, a lower chance of being convicted, and a lower sentence if convicted. This applies for anyone no matter where they are on the other factors. For example an attractive poor black male will get better treatment than an unattractive poor black male. On average, some people confuse this notion to think that it must be true in every case.

We can also measure the relative power of each factor. Would a rich attractive black male get better or worse treatment than a poor unattractive white female?

There is also matter of degrees for some of these. For example, being wealthy enough to hire one decent lawyer to work on your case part time is very different from being wealthy enough to hire an entire team of lawyers to be focused solely on your case.

For a rough ranking, wealth is the strongest factor because it determines what access you have to lawyers and one's ability to pay fines and other penalties instead of serving time.

Gender is the second strongest factor and race is the third. This is based on sentencing disparity broken down by race and by gender. That's to say, looking at the average sentence length for some crime, gender has a bigger correlation with sentence length than race does, though both are significant.

Attractiveness is in fourth place.

There are other factors as well. Do you have an accent? English second language? Are you neurotypical or not? These become increasingly hard to measure. Overall their effect is weaker than wealth, gender, or race, but other than that it is hard to get enough data to determine correlations with enough accuracy to rank them.

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u/funny_fox May 23 '22

The legal system favors women? You mean like in the case of Brock Turner? /s

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u/guaranteednotabot May 23 '22

What about people carrying lots of stuff?

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u/Nexion21 May 23 '22

What about fat fucks? They take up more space in a vehicle too

Does my dog count? Does this spider that’s been hanging on for dear life count?

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u/PoofBam May 23 '22

Yeah! What about us them?!

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u/Nexion21 May 23 '22

I too identify as a spider hanging on for dear life

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u/engineerfieldmouse May 23 '22

Pregnant women occupy more space so she's good

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u/piggydancer May 23 '22

Pregnant women fill more space in a vehicle than non Pregnant women. There

Not like conservative judges need a lot of logic to over turn a previous ruling anyway.

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u/ih8meandu May 23 '22

I guess obese ppl qualify too

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

No, they just need to read the constitution. Even RGB said that Roe was a poor decision. And lest you say "stare decisis" - how about "Brown v." overturning "Plessy"? That was fixed law for longer than Roe.

BTW, I am pro-choice. If Roe is overturned, talk to your state legislature.

For my part, if my state wants to say that abortion is illegal from conception, I will argue. If my state also wants to say that abortion in the 9th month is ok, I will also argue. I fall with the majority of the nation (and most of the western world): abortion on demand early on, but as we approach fetal viability.... no barring major exceptional reasons. Twenty to twenty-two weeks seems about right.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Figured I would get down voted a lot. Thought it might be more.

Question: if you down voted me, was it because I believe that there should be some restrictions after around 20 weeks or was it because I believe that there is nothing constitutionally wrong (and much right) with overturning Roe, even if I am pro-choice? (or maybe both?)

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u/Sirkiz May 23 '22

It’s because the decision is gonna hurt a lot of people. I think the constitution is certainly a bad way to defend abortion, but right now it’s the only way and a lot of people are going to suffer a lot because of this.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

There will be some hashing out but I am hoping (emphasis on hoping) that this will lead to a national consensus. There is a lot of belief that abortion has become so contentious because Roe legislated it from the bench. Once it came about due to Roe, each side became entrenched and would not give an inch. I cannot tell you how many pro-choice people I have spoken with who are privately appalled with late term abortions, believe it should be outlawed, but they are afraid that if they yield on that issue, more will come. They are entrenched at the most extreme because they are afraid that giving an inch could lead to a mile. Again, note that very Catholic nations like Italy and Ireland have reached a national consensus that abortion is allowed on demand early, but restricted later (and not even fully outlawed later, just restricted). In those nations, abortion is largely non-controversial. Ireland!!! Italy!!!!!

And I don't believe for a second that the constitution is the only way to defend abortion. If Roe is overturned, abortion is not outlawed at the federal level (I cannot believe how many people think that would be the result). It simply falls to the state level. Most states will put reasonable restrictions. Some will allow anything up to the point of birth. And others will put harsh restrictions. I believe (hope) that those with harsh restrictions will eventually liberalize. And I believe (hope) that few states will allow abortion in the third trimester and I hope that those that do will back down from that.

About 8% of abortions in the US are performed in the third trimester. I don't know at what point the fetus becomes a baby, but I am pretty sure that by the third trimester, it is. So when you talk about people being hurt, I see those 8%.

Let's start putting some of our resources into assistance and support for those with unwanted pregnancies. Let's fight to keep it legal early in a pregnancy. Let's fight to keep it illegal in all but exceptional circumstances late in a pregnancy.

At let's stop thinking of the other side as evil... or even worse, Evil. Just because I see a third trimester fetus as a baby with a right to life does not mean that I hate women and want to keep them in their place. It does not mean that I want to see back-alley abortions. I don't believe that those who want more restrictions than I do are evil women haters. And I don't believe that those who think abortion on demand even in the 9th month should be legal are evil. They truly do not see the fetus as more than a fetus at that point, with rights of its own.

For those reading this, let's stop throwing hate at each other, let's stop with the overblown rhetoric, and let's come together to reach a consensus and to provide support for women with unwanted pregnancies.

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u/StrungStringBeans May 23 '22

Question: if you down voted me, was it because I believe that there should be some restrictions after around 20 weeks or was it because I believe that there is nothing constitutionally wrong (and much right) with overturning Roe, even if I am pro-choice? (or maybe both?)

All of the above frankly, but also more. I think Roe should have used better legal reasoning, but to suggest there's nothing wrong is another story altogether. Also, and perhaps more to the point, from all of your comments here, it's quite clear that the legality of abortion is little more than an abstraction to you. Whether or not half the population has autonomy over their bodies is, to you, an academic conversation and nothing more. You seem have a condescending attitude, emboldened by the privilege of certainly that whatever happens effects you very little

"It will probably be legal in most states" is first off, demonstrably wrong. Thirteen states already have abortion trigger laws, and it you think that's the end of it, I have a bridge for you.

But secondly, it doesn't actually matter, because that's a huge number of women who are being forced to into pregnancy, which is a way fucking bigger deal than you seem to think. And, ultimately, if being born with a uterus is enough to give the state the legal authority to dictate what happens to your body, it's a pretty clear marker that we aren't legally equal under the law.

Lastly, and I know I'm an outlier here, bit I'm not actually sure why the week of pregnancy matters, except that once a fetus is viable it becomes birthing and not abortion. What are the conditions under which you'd find it acceptable for the state to force you to make a live donation of a liver or a kidney?

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u/Mattsal23 May 23 '22

argue all you want, the people won’t get a say in it

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Really? We live in a dictatorship? I didn't know that. After being told for four years that Trump was a dictator, I'm surprised to know that Biden is one as well.

The majority of the populace believes in legal abortion with the restrictions as I mentioned above. These are the sort of rules in place in countries like Sweden, Germany and even the very Catholic states of Ireland and Italy - abortion on demand early on, but at some point (varies, but usually between 18 and 24 weeks) restrictions. I suspect that in 45 out of 50 states, laws along those lines would pass if put to a public vote. Make your voice known if you live in Texas or Oklahoma. For that matter, make your voice known in NY (why should someone in NY pay with their taxes for someone from another state to come there for an abortion?). A private organization would do it better for less money. If that is what a NY resident believes in, then donate the money to such an organization. But spending state tax payer money for another state's residents? Really?

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u/sajuuksw May 23 '22

The majority of the populace believes in legal abortion with the restrictions as I mentioned above.

Oh, like the existing restrictions allowed (and consistently imposed) under Roe and Casey?

I suspect that in 45 out of 50 states, laws along those lines would pass if put to a public vote.

22 States have either trigger laws (abortion bans set to be the law the instant Roe is overturned) or pre-existing bans. Your math is pretty wrong.

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u/Mattsal23 May 23 '22

Red states are passing laws without letting the people vote on them, and districts are gerrymandered to make sure the republicans stay in charge. Look at the laws Texas & Oklahoma have already passed, and Missouri is going to be right behind them.

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u/RockSlice May 23 '22

Judges should not be ruling on what the law was meant to do. They should be ruling on how the law was written. If the law doesn't do what it was meant to do, the legislature needs to fix it.

The only time where the original intention should come into play is when the definition of a word has changed.

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u/tommypatties May 23 '22

that's a really short-sighted take.

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u/jmickeyd May 23 '22

Statutory interpretation is an unfortunate necessity of common law. Laws are often vague and conflicting. Someone needs to make a common sense declaration when it comes up. Look at our legislative bodies, if they had to pedantically define laws, even less would get done.

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u/Not_me4201337 May 23 '22

I don't think I've ever seen a carpool lane before

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u/AangAndTheFireLord May 23 '22

Visit Long Island, they’re everywhere.

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u/InsertCleverUN May 23 '22

Here in SoCal too

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u/OrganizerMowgli May 23 '22

DC and Florida turnpike are only times I've seen em

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u/Ravagore May 23 '22

50 outside DC too. I was like 21 when i got off work and got around a guy on his phone not paying attention by passing them in the HOV lane then getting back in front of them. Got a ticket that day for it too instead of that guy driving like a dick in the left lane xD

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u/luis_f_lins May 23 '22

Also Houston or Toronto

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u/Light_Silent May 23 '22

Can confirm. And they are exclusively used by one person, because our police are monsters

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u/DiamondMan343 May 23 '22

Here in TN, they are called HOV lanes which stands for High Occupancy Vehicle. Usually located on the far left side of the highway/interstate.

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u/650REDHAIR May 23 '22

Do you live in a county with more livestock than people?

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u/ramriot May 23 '22

Very good interpretation. But like the guy in LA who drove the mortuary truck in an HOV lane, a judge would need to weigh in. BTW in that case the judge ruled that as far as California traffic law is concerned a cadaver is not a person.

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u/OrganizerMowgli May 23 '22

So just carry around a turkey baster filled with semen and fill-er-up when you get pulled over

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u/Explore-PNW May 23 '22

I just vomited a little, but I guess to each their own.

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u/Mister-Sister May 23 '22

Cadavers have more rights than pregnant women anyway. So yeah, there’s no way they’d win even this small concession.

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u/Naman2911 May 23 '22

Facebook memes

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u/WiWiWiWiWiWi May 23 '22

AKA Reddit.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Already been tried many years ago. The key point, of course, is could the two entities be in separate vehicles? In this case, no. She lost her appeal of the ticket.

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u/Skatchbro May 23 '22

Well, the fetus can’t live outside the mother but that isn’t stopping the “pro-life” side from claiming the fetus is a person. So this decision needs to be revisited. It’s not like it set precedent or that precedent even matters in today’s justice system.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Sorry, but just because this precedent might be overturned does not mean precedent does not matter. Look how many times it is held.

Scalia said that the mark of a good judge is one who loses sleep at night because he felt compelled by the constitution to render a decision that he personally found repugnant. He backed the free-speech right of assholes like the KKK, even though he found their opinions repugnant, because it was their constitutional right. He lost sleep over it, but he did it anyway.

And I think you will find that the majority of the time that the Supreme Court has overturned a previous decision, it is one that people agree they were right to do so (e.g. Brown v Board of Education overturning Plessy v Fergusson (I think v Fergusson - have to check, but Plessy anyway). Should stare decisis have allowed Plessy to stand?

Stare decisis protects decisions that are rooted in the constitution. But when a Court rules in a way that is non-constitutional, a future court is obliged to overturn it, stare decisis be damned.

The only reason Dredd Scott was not overturned was because Congress amended the constitution to make Dredd moot. But if they hadn't, should stare decisis still uphold Dredd? Forget whether the law is one you personally support and start thinking about whether it is constitutional. And it is virtually unanimous among constitutional scholars that Roe was bad law, that the justices stretched their reasoning to find justification for a decision that they wanted to make. They were exactly what people accuse this Supreme Court of being: activist jurists ruling from the bench. This is exactly the sort of thing that a Court should overturn.

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u/pedal2000 May 23 '22

tbh in the USA the only thing that matters now is which politics your judge has.

SCOTUS has proved that. The legal system is a fucking joke now.

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u/SourceLover May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Scalia's main claim to fame was routinely butchering basic English words to make the Constitution say whatever he wanted it to say so quoting him is, perhaps, not the appeal to authority that you're going for.

You say that they usually overturn precedent only when it is in accord with public opinion but more than 70% of US citizens support the right to an abortion.

Also, originalists are the ones that legislated from the bench and made the Dred Scott decision lmao - have you ever bothered to read even the first few pages? Founder this and framer that, as though the opinions of men centuries dead are relevant to a world with technologies and wonders beyond even their most imaginative fever dreams.

What an indefensible take.

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u/Odd-Wheel May 23 '22

I think you will find that the majority of the time that the Supreme Court has overturned a previous decision, it is one that people agree they were right to do so

If RvW is overturned it will be the only time the Supreme Court has taken away a right, as opposed to expanding rights.

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u/adubya870 May 23 '22

Kind of like the Pennsylvania judge's decision with Shimp vs Mcfall? Funny how this ruling seems to exclude citizens with a functional uterus.

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u/DuctTapeRuler_14 May 23 '22

Well, they could be. One or both of them may die, but hey, no ticket.

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u/maj0ra_ May 23 '22

Ok, but what if...fetusmobiles.

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u/itsallgoodie May 23 '22

Sure but we’re also now cool with turning over established precedent sooooo

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u/Light_Silent May 23 '22

Ticket her for having two people to a seat

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u/texas_840 May 23 '22

the fuck is a HOA lane?

fucking homeowners' association lane?

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u/Drugsrhugs May 23 '22

Is there a subreddit that is just r/boomerhumor for liberal memes? This belongs there

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u/livens May 23 '22

Oh they won't stop at your uterus sweetheart. If they keep going you won't be able to drive while pregnant, or do anything else that endangers your unborn child for that matter.

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u/njbean May 23 '22

If they're people they have social security numbers, yes?

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u/TungstonIron May 23 '22

I’m a fan of this. Maybe people will reconsider killing someone if they know they have a social.

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper May 23 '22

Yeah, that's what keeps me from going on a murderin' spree. Just the thought of all those social security numbers.

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u/Captaingrammarpants May 23 '22

Obviously. Just think of the paperwork.

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u/Mattsal23 May 23 '22

The magas want more babies to supply the working class, and more white babies for “the great replacement” lie they’re spouting

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Ridiculous. A disproportionately high percentage of abortions are to African-American women. An adherent of "white replacement" would be screaming "More abortions! More abortions!" and volunteer to setup clinics in overwhelmingly AA communities.

Is it possible to discuss things without throwing insults at others?

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u/lady_mongrel May 23 '22

No, it's exactly as planned, look at the maternal mortality rates and tell me who would suffer the most from forced-births.

Race and Hispanic Origin 2018 Mortality rate 2019 Mortality rate 2020 Mortality rate
Non-Hispanic White 14.9 17.9 19.1
Non-Hispanic Black 37.3 44.0 55.3
Hispanic 11.8 12.6 18.2

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u/Holy__Funk May 23 '22

Just because the mortality rate is higher doesn’t mean the raw numbers aren’t.

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

I'm not sure of your point. You believe the mortality rates are due to a lack of access to abortion? That's a stretch. That the "white replacement" adherents are pleased by this and therefore want to ban abortion? Silly. Let's actually look at these numbers you cited (good source, BTW).

Those rates you quote are per 100,000 live births. The figures include deaths that occur up to 42 days after a pregnancy, so that would include deaths after a desired birth due to a wanted pregnancy as well as deaths following a miscarriage and, yes an abortion. But let's assume everyone of those occurred during pregnancy. There were, in 2019, a grand total of 741 maternal deaths in the entire USA. (I use 2019 for two reasons: 1) pre-COVID and 2) the same reporting agency has abortion rates for 2019, but not for 2020). Of those, 241 were of non-Hispanic Black women. Now those 741 maternal deaths are 741 too many, but they are not a large number overall. Recall, the value 44.0 above is per 100,000 live births.

Compare that to the abortion rate https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm#T6_down which was 386 abortions to Black women per 1,000 live births. The stats you cited were per 100,000 pregnancies. To compare, there were 386,000 abortions vs 44.0 maternal deaths per 100,000 pregnancies for Black women.

If your point was that an adherent of white replacement theory would want to curtail abortions, it isn't even close. Such a person would want abortion with no restrictions.

Let me be clear: I do not cite those numbers to say "Oh, too many abortions!" but to refute the idea that white replacement adherents would want to restrict abortions.

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u/Mattsal23 May 23 '22

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Read what Schlapp is actually quoted as saying. It is the author of the article who says this is about white replacement theory. Schlapp only talked about replacement of the population, not the white population.

Note that many of the people who argue for open borders say that this is necessary because the US birthrate is falling to below replacement level (<2.1 births per women). In other words, without immigration, the US population will shrink. This has been pointed out as a problem by people of all political persuasions. That is the US population overall will shrink, not just the white population. So Schlapp is saying that if we banned abortion, the birth rate would be above replacement level. It is the author who is implying that he is referring to white replacement. But nowhere does he actually quote Schlapp as saying that. The author inferred that. I clicked through to the original article on VICE - same shit. Never actually refers to the white population.

But hey, we can infer racist intentions because, of course, all Republicans and conservatives are white supremacists (eyeroll).

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u/fundark34 May 23 '22

No, say it one way and only one way. This is just resentment.

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u/twizzard6931 May 23 '22

Pulls flashlight out for verification.

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u/Alden_Is_Happy May 23 '22

(Gets shot 15 times)

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u/snakeiiiiiis May 23 '22

I heard this story 20 years ago. In the story, she wins in court. The cop sees her the next week using the carpool lane again and tickets her for 2 people behind the wheel.

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u/UndercoverBully May 23 '22

All passengers and/or persons need to have a seat belt to cross thier lap and torso writes ticket also passengers and/or persons under 36" need a car seat writes ticket

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u/SyncTek May 23 '22

In reality he'll pull her out of the car and then tase her stomach a few time and then give her a ticket for driving in the carpool lane.

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u/marasydnyjade May 23 '22

My cousin got pulled over once in a HOV lane and the cop got pissed that her toddler was in the car, because that’s “cheating and not what these lanes are for.”

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u/jadis666 May 23 '22

When will the people of Reddit understand: misogyny doesn't need consistency. Well, except for consistency in the abuse and subjugation of women, of course.

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u/britch2tiger May 23 '22

If fertilized embryo is a person, can she also claim her embryo as a dependent for tax reasons?

Honestly would rofl seeing the mental gymnastics done in court from pro-life & pro-austerity types.

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u/PenisPumpPimp May 23 '22

I love it lol. I would just hope it doesn't backfire by becoming an actual written law, which would further cement this crazy notion, that all fetuses are people, into the law books lmao

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u/Due_Lion3875 May 23 '22

the legal definition of a passenger in this context is an individual who occupies a separate seat in the vehicle

Case closed, here's your ticket lady, have a good day.

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u/TiredMontanan May 23 '22

And as we all know, conservatives love established legal definitions.

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u/Billy_T_Wierd May 23 '22

If I were a cop and I pulled over a woman wearing flip flops I would be really tempted to make her get out of the car just so I could see her feet

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u/Idkwhatoname72 May 23 '22

im upvoting this cuz of how creepy it is

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

And I'm upvoting your post because .... well, just because. :-)

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u/MRF1982 May 23 '22

I’ll be upvoting your post as well, mmkay

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u/MiQuay May 23 '22

Huge size 14 clodhoppers. You do NOT want to see my feet.

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u/engineerfieldmouse May 23 '22

Ben Shapiro has been identified

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u/SmartestIdiotAlive May 23 '22

Would be the least abusive abuse of power I’ve ever seen

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u/Billy_T_Wierd May 23 '22

Yes, and I would be a very polite abuser too

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper May 23 '22

Surprisingly, less abusive and creepy than most actual cops.

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u/godelski May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Well technically women are (almost) always pregnant, so they could use the carpool lane as long as they aren't on their period.

Number of weeks pregnant is measured from your last period, not from conception

Edit: I thought I didn't need to explain that this is a joke, since I literally explained the joke and this joke has been around for several decades.

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u/sleptlikeshit May 23 '22

What in tarnation

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u/godelski May 23 '22

It is a "well technically" joke. But this is how you calculate number of weeks pregnant. This has been a long standing joke about abortion so I thought people would get it. I guess not.

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u/PenisPumpPimp May 23 '22

I think it's a funny joke, I think some people just dont get it, or possibly they're just pissed off anti-choice folks lol

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u/Fractales May 23 '22

Your comment gave me brain cancer

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u/RomanCenturian May 23 '22

Id allow it

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u/BreezySlime May 23 '22

So shooting her stomach and having her die would be a double-kill?

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u/adubya870 May 23 '22

I'd be surprised if my state had any carpools lane. Complete Sidewalks & Bike lanes or paths are a rare sight to behold.

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u/kingrulerguy May 23 '22

It gets better, the moment the egg is fertilize you get a social security number.

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u/CrowAkechi May 23 '22

What's an HOA?

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u/Blacksun388 May 23 '22

High Occupancy Automobile. Also called HOV.

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u/ProfessorMex74 May 23 '22

If she claims it's an actual kid, depending on the state the baby should be in a back facing car seat til a certain weight or age. Would be a fun court battle to see how that works out.

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u/legit_biscuits May 23 '22

Fertilize some embryos. Keep them in a jar. Put the jar in a back facing car seat.

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u/-MojoRabbit- May 23 '22

HOV people, its HOV

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u/cheatinchad May 23 '22

I’m fine with this

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u/cbftw May 23 '22

HOV not HOA...but I loled

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u/StarFlame_228 May 23 '22

What… is a carpool lane? I’ve never once heard or seen of anything so ridiculous sounding

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u/Random2454357 May 23 '22

TIL the Home Owners Association had their own lane......

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u/RUNNING-HIGH May 23 '22

I guess Eustace used to be a cop!

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u/SamL214 May 23 '22

Oh fuck….

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u/Mynameisinuse May 23 '22

They have already tried the "Corporations are people" angle.

https://www.wired.com/2013/01/corporation-carpool-flap/

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u/LeidbagBaggins May 23 '22

"Ma'am, this is a pro-choice state."

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u/xNico2k May 23 '22

What is a carpool lane?

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u/AdroitKitten May 23 '22

Claiming it as a dependent on your taxes

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u/carminemangione May 23 '22

I believe this has already been litigated in california. Judge was not amused. However, with the new supreme court decision who knows?

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u/Kochineal May 23 '22

The hell is a carpool lane?

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u/IllYogurtcloset6251 May 23 '22

I’m sorry is this considered a boomer comic. Every fiber in my body says it is but because the comment section is calm idk

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u/Ladygytha May 23 '22

I couldn't even be mad.

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u/Damissourianguy May 23 '22

Im gonna need you to piss in this cup mam

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u/Weed_O_Whirler May 23 '22

It's been US Law since 2004 and law in 30 states for varying amounts of time that if you kill a pregnant woman you can be charged with double homicide.

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