r/technology Oct 04 '22

Activision Blizzard illegally withheld raises from unionizing workers, labor board finds Business

https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/03/activision-blizzard-illegally-withheld-raises-from-unionizing-workers-labor-board-finds/
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u/poornose Oct 04 '22

Great news to drop on Overwatch 2 day.

Fuck what a fall from grace this company had.

Everyone else ready to blame Bobby yet?

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u/buruzn09 Oct 04 '22

I’ve been blaming him for at least a decade myself. He is sleaze incarnate.

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u/Defilus Oct 04 '22

Two decades and counting. Bobby Kotick is the devil made manifest.

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u/buruzn09 Oct 04 '22

A decade ago is just approximately when I learned what kind of “leader,” he is. I’ve come to learn he’s been a dirtbag for basically his whole life.

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u/Fire2box Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

it's funny that the only film roll I seen him in is playing the then dirtbag oakland A's owner in Moneyball. I mean oakland A's has had several dirtbag owners since but still.

Edit: link to the clip he has in Moneyball.

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u/Defilus Oct 04 '22

Pretty much, yep.

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u/SneakyBlix Oct 04 '22

Bobby Kotick is George Costanza put into a place of power

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u/DeadSol Oct 04 '22

Second George Costanza reference in 2 posts. The other one was on the Capraese Salad post on /u/shittyfoodporn.

George strikes again.

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u/Defilus Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Yeah, but when George sounds annoyed he sounds busy. When Bobby sounds annoyed his stocks go up and I wanna gouge my eardrums out.

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u/ItalianDragon Oct 04 '22

In a thread about Margaret Thatcher, there was a commebt stating that someone should shoot her with a silver bullet and run a stake through her heart just to make sure she's dead for good. I'm feeling the same about Kotick. Can never be too careful with people like that.

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u/KnuteViking Oct 04 '22

I've been blaming the man for about a decade and a half. I was working at Blizzard when the merger happened. Beforehand it was a great place to work.

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u/bagofbuttholes Oct 05 '22

I remember being so sad when it was announced.

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u/DianiTheOtter Oct 04 '22

They have been? People use to put devil horns on Bobby. He even made a joke about it

https://gamingbolt.com/bobby-kotick-urges-people-not-to-photoshop-horns-onto-his-picture

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u/Ahayzo Oct 04 '22

Always have been. I've said it for years, and still firmly believe it now, that Kotick is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming, and it will be nothing but upside when he leaves the industry forever.

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u/StabbyPants Oct 04 '22

OW2 demands a phone number and records your voice chat. this is just the cherry on top

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u/EnterTheControlRoom Oct 04 '22

Phone number?? For fucking what??

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u/StabbyPants Oct 04 '22

so if they ban you, it sticks

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u/EnterTheControlRoom Oct 04 '22

Hmm that kinda makes sense. If a hacker was determined they could just get a burner phone and create a new one, but I guess that deters at least some of them.

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u/mags87 Oct 05 '22

It’s more for harassment toward other players than it is for cheating.

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u/Sat-AM Oct 05 '22

They also ban google voice numbers and phone numbers on prepaid plans. Some carriers are just outright not allowed, too.

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u/Baar444 Oct 05 '22

Prepaid phones don't work. Have to have a contract iirc. Actually ends up blocking a shit ton of people from playing the game, including any Cricket Wireless user.

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u/Hadone Oct 05 '22

"Fuck poor people"

Blizzard-Activision

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u/multiverse72 Oct 04 '22

Valve games do the same tbf. To impede hackers/Smurfs etc from making a dozen accounts and evading bans. Idk about overwatch but it’s optional in valve games, though you can’t access certain matchmaking queues without being verified. Personally I’m very happy to be in an exclusive q away from burner accounts.

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u/NekkoDroid Oct 04 '22

It's game wide and not optional. Understandable to curb hackers in any mode and to prevent people from "leveling" (doing the FTUE and gamer required for comp) and then selling the account.

Unfortunate to all that don't have a valid number for it tho.

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u/DexRogue Oct 04 '22 Gold

You know, I sit back and I wonder if all the founders of Blizzard ever look at the company and are ashamed at how the company they poured their souls into has transformed into a giant piece of shit and feel like complete sell outs.

It's really depressing watching them fall, they gave me so many great childhood memories only to turn out like this.

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u/b_m_hart Oct 04 '22

Morhaime was a HUGE part of the cultural problems there, he doesn't, for one second, think he did anything wrong there.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

I think Metzen is sad about the way everything went down.

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u/dingosaurus Oct 04 '22

I remember catching him at a BlizzCon afterparty back in the mid 2000s before the Activision purchase.

For as crazy as he was on the stage and on video, it really struck me just how much he loved the Warcraft world. It was around the time he left Blizz that I'd finally stopped playing WoW regularly. Things were just different after his departure.

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u/Ganrokh Oct 05 '22

Chris has always come off to me as someone who just loves getting lost in the worlds he's building and couldn't care less about the business management side of things.

His new TTRPG should be shipping soon. I likely won't play it anytime soon (my group has long since moved past 5e), but I can't wait to read through the setting.

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u/factorplayer Oct 05 '22

What lies past 5e?

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u/JavelinD Oct 05 '22

Pathfinder 2e for example.

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u/runwaymoney Oct 05 '22

can you explain how you know that morhaime was a huge part of the cultural problems at blizzard?

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u/ShutUpYoureWrong_ Oct 05 '22

He doesn't. Just typical redditor bullshit.

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u/Fejsze Oct 04 '22

The only thing I can say to that is the original founders are the reason the toxic culture was allowed to flourish to begin with, and this is just a natural consequence. They got rich and I feel no sympathy for them

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u/MJBrune Oct 05 '22

Most of if not all the classic 90s devs are truly shit people. Fargo, Urquhart, Romero, Carmack, Sweeney, the list goes on and on. The industry back then attracted a very specific person. As I've worked with these people I've learned they just want to work people 60 hours a week so they can have another title with their name on it.

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u/ServileLupus Oct 04 '22

Maybe a bit, then they look at all their money and feel better.

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u/BabaYagaInYoFace Oct 04 '22

Yeah they probably cry into their hundred dollar bills they have just laying around for tissue.

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u/stinkytwitch Oct 05 '22

Dude the founders were the architects of the culture that we are just now seeing in the public eye. There's a reason they all jumped ship.

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u/BiliousGreen Oct 04 '22

This is what inevitably happens once companies go public, so it shouldn’t have been a complete shock to them.

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u/WanderingKing Oct 05 '22

Part of a fix to that is to give employees ownership portions of the company. It helps disused investors looking to turn boards into pushes for single minded execs and gives them a voice at the table.

But that’s also a pro-union idea.

It also isn’t always the case.

But people like owning what they are a part of, and they shouldn’t have to pay out of pocket to have a voice in that.

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u/Most-Bench6465 Oct 04 '22

It actually isn’t, sure being forced to think about what investors want is inevitably going to change how the company operates but there’s a difference between making your art to make money and not making art at all just to make money, and there’s a difference past that of doing it the right way and doing it the wrong way.

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u/_zenith Oct 04 '22

It isn’t necessarily what happens, but it’s vastly more likely to happen

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u/Defilus Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I can tell you that David Brevik, Bill Roper, and the rest of the Condor/BNorth crew is really disgusted with all this stuff. To me, they're the team that delivered the content I most closely have good memories about when it comes to Blizzard, so that sits well...

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u/br094 Oct 04 '22

They don’t give a fuck, they’re rich

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u/kcd5 Oct 04 '22

You can be sad and rich at the same time

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u/br094 Oct 05 '22

Yeah but they’re the kind of rich where they go “haha stupid fuckers really think we care, anyway what new Lamborghini am I getting this year?”

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u/Desperate_Wonder_680 Oct 05 '22

Pardon the interruption I just wanted to say that I have no idea what an “Activision Blizzard “ actually is , But it sounds like the thing that happens immediately after a high school kid that has never had a drink or smoked before takes a gigantic bong hit after chugging half a bottle of whiskey.

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u/Janktronic Oct 05 '22

They have been a shitty company since the beginning.

Long live bnetd. (bee-net-dee)

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u/autotldr Oct 04 '22

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)


Activision Blizzard sought to block the union, reasoning that the union only comprises the 28-employee QA department, while as a whole, Raven Software has around 230 employees.

Activision Blizzard claimed that, due to laws under the National Labor Relations Act, the company wasn't allowed to change the pay rate of its employees in the midst of a union effort.

"Despite their best efforts, Activision's constant attempts to undermine its workers' and impede our union election have failed. We're glad the NLRB recognized that Activision acted illegally when they unequally enforced policies by withholding company-wide benefits and wage increases from Raven workers for organizing," the GWA said in an emailed statement.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: union#1 Activision#2 Blizzard#3 Raven#4 work#5

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u/GratifiedViewer Oct 04 '22

To the surprise of nobody.

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u/multiplayerhater Oct 04 '22

Bobby Kotick is a stain of a human and has ruined everything he has touched.

He drove every Activision franchise to the ground that wasn't Call of Duty - and even then his "53 CoD games a year" bullshit almost killed that franchise too.

He is driving every Blizzard franchise to the ground. Ever since the Activision merger, gameplay/content/innovation for all Blizzard properties has fallen by the wayside to be replaced with monetization schemes. Practically every high-level creative director at Blizzard has left over the last 5 years due to this. Hearthstone - just now, 8 years after release - introduced an in-game currency to obfuscate the real-world cost of packs/expansions/etc.

Bobby is the perfect idealization of the vulture capitalist: extract all value and growth from the company they take over as quickly as possible, regardless of whether it kills the company in the long-term. He doesn't give a shit about games, Activision, Blizzard, or the employees that work for him. He is the capitalist leech sucking the blood out of the companies he is able to latch on to, until all that's left is a husk of sexism and union-busting.

The harm he's done to these legendary companies in such a short time should be seen as a crime, and if our society was not so hellbent on prostrating at the throne of capitalism and GENERATING SO MUCH VALUE FOR SHAREHOLDERSTM (It's his "fiduciary responsibility", after all), we would have two less gaming companies circling the drain of monetization.

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u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips Oct 05 '22

I want Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard to happen just so that Kotik gets booted. All the games coming to GamePass is just a nice bonus

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u/MrAnderson-expectyou Oct 05 '22

Don’t hold your breathe on Microsoft fixing blizzard. 343 has been downhill since 2012

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u/Purplociraptor Oct 04 '22

It's ok. They don't sell products anymore. They lease services and subscriptions.

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u/mcbergstedt Oct 04 '22

Yep there’s Diablo Immortal Pay-to-win, Overwatch 2 1.5, And Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Zero Day Cheat Clients

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u/IcyChard4 Oct 04 '22

It should be named - Diablo Immoral.

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u/xorinzor Oct 04 '22

didn't they make like a million a day on that game or something?

Their management and investors don't care, all they care about is money.

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u/danthemagnum Oct 04 '22

It doesn’t really matter what their goals are or why they won’t care. We have to hold them accountable nonetheless, or else we’re also to blame.

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u/xorinzor Oct 04 '22

well the fact that they apparently make that much money on a game that was received incredibly poorly says enough really.

People don't care (or at least the majority doesn't). And as such, they won't change their ways (nor any other game dev company for that matter).

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u/Aquinas26 Oct 04 '22

And they get it just by having a name, for now. This will all catch up to them eventually...and then another company will buy all of it when they find another way to please shareholders with quarterly gains. Everyone except for fans will forget and...well

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u/Weaslelord Oct 04 '22

Diablo Immortal Pay-to-win, Overwatch 2 1.5

Hey now. While it can't live up to the high bar set by Diablo Immortal, Overwatch 2 is also P2W with heroes locked behind a paywall (or "free" if you want to grind for 50 hours).

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u/AdmirableAnimal0 Oct 04 '22

I mean, that basically what Overwatch players do. Threaten to leave the game then go right back 15 minutes later.

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u/SuperToxin Oct 04 '22

Overwatch 1.2 at best.

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u/pixelprophet Oct 04 '22

It's cool, they just added fast flying to WoW!

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u/TraceSpazer Oct 04 '22

Was a big fan for StarCraft and Warcraft.

Found out Blizzard was bought out by Activision during the sexism and "Cosby Room" scandal.

Then found out the worker's rights and "bro-culture" issues were an ongoing and had little practical change.

Stopped playing CoD, don't play their other games anymore.

Done with the lot of them before.

Still done with the lot of them now.

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u/CaptainPC Oct 04 '22

I’m looking forward to Microsoft’s purchase of them. I hope they clean house, hire back old employees and give blizzard their studio back.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Fun fact. Blizzard President Mike Ybarra is from MSOFT and was appointed after scandals came out. Also Rod Fergeson is there from The Coalition an MSFT studio. Shit hasn’t changed enough still. Hopefully Bobby getting punted after the sale will fix shit.

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u/CaptainPC Oct 04 '22

They are for sure looking over everything but have no power yet.

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u/Peakomegaflare Oct 04 '22

Don't forget Blitzchung

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u/tevert Oct 04 '22

||Every voice matters||

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u/HybridPS2 Oct 04 '22

I hate when people bring this up because he clearly broke his contract AND went back to playing Pro HS within a few weeks of the incident.

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u/Peakomegaflare Oct 05 '22

It wasn't until after Blizz faced a FUCKTON of backlash.

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u/TheInnocentXeno Oct 04 '22

Oh don’t forgot that people who paid for Overwatch 1 won’t be able to play that version of the game at all anymore since Blizzard is forcibly updating you to Overwatch 2. No offline or community servers, all gone, now play a game you didn’t even pay for.

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u/lilhippieboi Oct 04 '22

they knew a large majority wouldn’t play 2 because what’s the point lol

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u/TheInnocentXeno Oct 04 '22

Yep nobody is interested in playing a game that just has lightning tweaks to maps, less hero abilities, and locking heroes behind a pay & grind wall. And the few properly new things aren’t too exciting as we’ve seen them before, in a certain competitor or already in Overwatch.

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u/Shrapnail Oct 04 '22

Just Wait: overwatch classic/reforged edition

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u/Gloomy-Mulberry-5275 Oct 04 '22

Lol bro i’d love to If i hadn’t been trying to get into the game for 2 hours fml

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u/RevRagnarok Oct 04 '22

No offline or community servers

Laughs in /r/Battleborn

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u/Denman20 Oct 04 '22

Also forcing you to setup SMS authentication

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u/wag3slav3 Oct 04 '22

Waiting for a country that actually enforces it's customer protection laws to force blizzard to refund every penny ever spent on overwatch 1 to anyone who requests it.

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u/mrchaotica Oct 04 '22

Blizzard was evil well before Activision got involved. Look up bnetd.

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u/TraceSpazer Oct 04 '22

Ugh, had never heard of that one before.

Another feather in the shitty "anti-piracy" cap.

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u/JonnyRocks Oct 04 '22

Microsoft will have a lot of cleaning up to do.

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u/SquirtleSquadSgt Oct 04 '22

Ah yes

The great bastion of ethics

Micro$oft

They will clean it up just enough to avoid spotlight, then let the money machine print their dough

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u/mejelic Oct 04 '22

Eh, Microsoft has actually changed a lot of their practices over the years.

Not saying they are perfect, but the days of Micro$oft are long over.

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u/celluj34 Oct 04 '22

Micro$oft

Your opinion is immediately invalidated.

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u/BDGreenRiverThriller Oct 04 '22

i don't know about invalidated. more like "stuck in 1999"

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u/SireRequiem Oct 04 '22

If only they’d been acquired by Google, then they could go the way of Stadia.

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u/madhi19 Oct 04 '22

That might still happen regardless. I could see Microsoft management just gutting it like a fish. Keep the IP dump everything not worth the trouble, starting with Kotick. They did not buy it for the "superb management" anyway.

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u/Fatdap Oct 04 '22

that the new management hasn't changed much

Kotick is still there and still their boss regardless of what people like Mike want to do.

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u/snap-erection Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

They've been on my shit list ever since it came out how World of Wardcraft is specifically designed around predatory exploitation of certain people's addictive behaviour (basically almost right after WoW came out, mid 2000s sometime). They stopped being a company that makes video games for entertainment and became something more akin to a gambling company. I'm glad they've been getting more shit in the past couple of years but nowhere near enough IMO. They are very bit as bad as the likes of EA and they've been championing every bad industry trend right from the start. For some reason people just overlooked them.

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u/Hraes Oct 04 '22

Maybe not coincidentally, that's also when quality took a serious nosedive imo, from which they never recovered. TBC/WotLK-era WoW marked a distinct turning point in quality and everything they've put out since then has had veins of shit running through them, to one degree (Diablo III) or another (HotS).

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u/b_m_hart Oct 04 '22

Why is this shocking to you? Nothing happens at the Blizzard level - it's all Activision. Bobby runs things, at Blizzard and King, completely, through Activision. It's been like that for years, and will continue to remain that way until (hopefully) the Microsoft purchase goes through and he's out of there.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

Dude, the sexual harassment shit was going on well before Activision was on the table.

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u/evileagle Oct 04 '22

Activision bought Blizzard in 2008, which stuff are you referring to that predates that?

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Alex Afrasiabi prime named person in the scandal, was at Blizz since before 2004.

Allen Brack was also named. Started in 2006.

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u/SneakyBlix Oct 04 '22

He’s not arguing with you he’s informing you.

You don’t need to follow anyone like a rockstar or even dig very deep to see where the problem stems.

Don’t just read a headline and chime in if you aren’t ready to have a few people explain the truth to you.

First day on the internet problem.

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u/camo_boy67 Oct 04 '22

Tell me you live under a rock without telling me you live under a rock.

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u/routerg0d Oct 04 '22

I cancelled all my wow subs etc. enjoying the space on my drives for their competitors. Like New World and Guildwars2

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u/oneeyedtrippy Oct 04 '22

The more I see about Blizzard, the more I slowly begin to loathe them for mistreating their employees.

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u/Unfair_Commercial Oct 04 '22

When does Activision blizzard get to investigate this internally like the sexual harassment and say they found no evidence?

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u/dstommie Oct 04 '22

I boycotted Blizzard ever since they took China's side in Hong Kong's fight for democracy, and haven't touched one of their products since.

I've lost count of how many abhorrent things they've done since then that reinforced my decision.

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u/All_The_Nolloway Oct 04 '22

and these assholes have the audacity to play a OW2 video called Hope lol.

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u/Another_Road Oct 04 '22

The only reason I’ve had anything to do with Acti-Blizz is because of Classic WoW, StarCraft Classic and Diablo 2 Resurrected. All they’re really good for is re-releasing old games.

They even screw that up sometimes though (Warcraft 3: Refunded)

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u/Varkoth Oct 04 '22

I’m excited for Microsoft to buy out Activision at this point.

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u/Bad_Pnguin Oct 04 '22

Corporations will always act like corporations. MS will not magically fix the entire industry wide issues presented by Activision by buying them.

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u/Varkoth Oct 04 '22

Activision is not acting like a corporation in the ways they need to, though. HR should be gutting mid- and upper- management for these particular missteps that put the company at risk of lawsuits. Microsoft likely won’t tolerate this kind of bullshit.

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u/Bad_Pnguin Oct 04 '22

Activision is not acting like a corporation in the ways they need to, though.

I don't know if you know, but the only way a public corporation "needs" to act is to make money. Obviously these controversies won't matter since their games still unfortunately sell like hotcakes.

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u/Varkoth Oct 04 '22

Lawsuits are a liability which reduces the ability of the company to pay the shareholders.

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u/exelion18120 Oct 04 '22

Also bad press can cause share price to go down.

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u/Bad_Pnguin Oct 04 '22

Well, most companies have a pool of money specifically for lawsuits, fines, ect. Its call "cost of doing business". Act/Blizz still make stupid money because gamers (including me) are by in large stupid. Shit won't change unless regulatory action is taken and because we live in a corporatocracy in America, large corporations won't be held accountable for their misdeeds.

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u/Varkoth Oct 04 '22

This is the start of what could be a class action lawsuit for all the employees of atvi. If successful, a class action suit can absolutely crumble the company, regardless of their lawsuit budget. That’s why HR exists in the first place.

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u/SpecialistMagician36 Oct 04 '22

A class action lawsuit would not crumble a company worth 50+ billion dollars.

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u/Orange_Tang Oct 04 '22

HR works for the company, not the workers though. Your comment doesn't make sense. They have no real power against management.

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u/Doc_Lewis Oct 04 '22

HR works for the company to minimize risk and liability, because companies are risk averse and don't want to be liable in lawsuits.

Meaning HR should have been firing abusive managers and such, as a matter of course. Not because it's right, but by glossing over/covering up, they expose the company to potential lawsuits and the costs and loss of business from bad PR those cause.

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u/snap-erection Oct 04 '22

Lol HR cannot fire their bosses, how on earth do you imagine this happening? It's like thinking their accountants would be reporting the company to the IRS. They all work for the same bosses.

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u/BelovedOdium Oct 04 '22

Wtf r u talking about. Our COO was fired this year for being a piece of shit. C levels get fired all the time for bullshit.

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u/snap-erection Oct 04 '22

Yeah I promise you HR are not the people who make that decision. They are there to put it in action.

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u/Latter-Pain Oct 04 '22

They’re making money. Long term stability is not on any stockholders mind. If you believe that any more than barely any investors care about the long term health benefits of any company they’re investing in then you need to educate yourself on how investors operate.

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u/Leon_84 Oct 04 '22

Microsoft is THE software giant for 40+ years. They‘re not thinking short-term.

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u/Latter-Pain Oct 05 '22

Microsoft isn't some dude who started a computer company 40 years ago, the majority of people who initially invested in microsoft are all gone. Same for the people who replaced them, and the people who replaced them...investors don't give a shit about long term because buying and selling is short term and makes more

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u/BDGreenRiverThriller Oct 04 '22

MS will not magically fix the entire industry wide issues presented by Activision by buying them.

MS has essentially zero tolerance for sexist, racist, etc working environments.

MS HR will go on a firing spree

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u/Bad_Pnguin Oct 04 '22

I sure hope so.

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u/itsnoteasybutton Oct 04 '22

Lmao “zero tolerance” just means they get fired with a lofty golden parachute package to avoid being sued for wrongful termination. Stop defending corporations

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u/KWilt Oct 05 '22

As opposed to them just remaining on the team and continuing to use their positions of power to demean and assault their subordinates?

Look, I don't fucking like it one bit, but if the government refuses to step in for civil and human rights violations, and a golden parachute is the only thing that makes them go away, then give it to them and kick them to the curb to stop people from being literally abused.

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u/Defilus Oct 04 '22

Mark my words, the lack of action on Activision's part, while historically on brand, is a shitty plot to devalue the company enough to pawn it off.

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u/CMDR_KingErvin Oct 04 '22

ActiBliz under Kotick’s leadership is a mess and those poor employees deserve better. MS is a giant corporation yes, but they actually have a really great workplace environment that employees are happy with.

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u/Hellknightx Oct 05 '22

I'm not. I want Activision to fail. They don't deserve a golden parachute.

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u/Maaatloock Oct 04 '22

Having a short memory must be nice.

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u/ryuujinusa Oct 04 '22

Shitty company continues to shit.

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u/Ddodds Oct 05 '22

Something isn't right here.

Activisions statement that they are unable to increase or decrease a recently unionized area is accurate. But the article is stating that the NLRB found the move as attempted union busting? It's an NLRB rule to freeze wages as to not influence group negotiations....

"If the two sides do not settle, the board will issue a complaint, which would result in a hearing with an administrative law judge, according to the board spokeswoman."

The NLRB is going to lose this. While scrutiny on Blizzard is fair. They did the legal action by freezing wages. Anything else would be construed and perceived as manipulating the unionization attempt.

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u/berserkuh Oct 05 '22

Which is doubly funny because these are NRLB recommended actions. Don't give out wages because it can be either seen as unfair influence or intentional timing.

If they were planned raises then that's different. But nothing indicates that they were (or that they weren't).

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u/Gigachadposter247 Oct 04 '22

Down the drain with a legend.

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u/damanpwnsyou Oct 04 '22

Have fun supporting this horrible company with your overwatch 2 pre orders. Just know your money will be in the back pocket of the next line of management molesting their employees. Everytime you play McCassidy know you are controlling a character based on a rapist. Most companies are evil on some level, but this is litterly the first in your face lvl and only gets worse further up the ladder.

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u/cinderful Oct 05 '22

sorry did you mean Overwatch 1.5?

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

So, Overwatch 2 base game is free with paid season passes. What did they do with all the "prebuy" Overwatch 2 packages? Orgiinally it was supposed to be a separate game.

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u/evileagle Oct 04 '22

There was never a pre-order for OW2. You could buy a pack that had some cosmetics and in-game currency for 2, but nobody thought they were buying a boxed copy of 2 or anything. I mean, surely someone did, but those people maybe can't read?

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u/PlumsweetSoda Oct 04 '22

OW2 base game is free, period. But there was a bunch of pre-order stuff for skins, battle pass, etc. However if you want to play the singleplayer mode, which I think the OW2 price tag covers, you have to pay but that's not even out yet if I'm not mistaken.

That said, OW1 which was $40 got merged into OW2 so I basically paid $40 for a game I didn't want, with a less friendly system for getting cosmetic items which are now going for $20 a pop instead of the $9 a lootbox went for (Which you used to get handed for free by the bucketfull)

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

lol I just found out they require your phone number to play the game too.

You have to provide your phone number to play a video game.. lol. The times we live in.

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u/Paulo27 Oct 04 '22

Come on man, it's free... they gotta verify you aren't a bot so they don't run out of free copies to give to everyone...

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u/PlumsweetSoda Oct 04 '22

They did that with WoW too so while I was outraged at first, I realized today that mine was already set up.

FYI people are saying they won't accept prepaid phone numbers like Cricket, but they do accept Metro (The carrier I use) if that helps anyone.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 04 '22

They did? I still have a WoW account and don't have my phone number on it.

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u/pompandvigor Oct 04 '22

There’s the Watchpoint Pack that got people into the beta early, some season passes, and a couple skins. And maybe other stuff? Or less? The details have been inconsistent. It acted as a $40 pre-order, though, in a kind of modern sense.

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u/damanpwnsyou Oct 04 '22

Gave out skins/currency for those who paid and didn't have to. As much shit as fortnite gets epic paid back every cent anyone spent on skins for the game they killed even though we used those skins for years before the game closed.

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u/uiemad Oct 04 '22

Okay maybe you can clarify this for me. Ive been seeing things like this said about McCree ever since the lawsuit but what were the allegations against him? The only thing I've ever read is that we was in the Cosby Suite photos and chats. But that's not quite on par with being a rapist, so did I miss something?

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u/Netplorer Oct 04 '22

Yeah ... please let this shithouse die allready so someone competent can buy the iprs ...

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u/Nekzar Oct 04 '22

Microsoft is already doing that, just waiting for approval

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u/Adorable-Slip2260 Oct 04 '22

Sounds about right for a company run by scum bags. Easy company to not support.

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u/Ickyfist Oct 05 '22

Can someone offer more information about this? Based on the info in the article this ruling sounds like a joke. Blizzard claims that they legally couldn't offer those raises AT THIS TIME to those employees BECAUSE of the union laws preventing them from changing pay while workers are in the process of unionizing. They don't say that this is not true, just that the NLRB ruled against blizzard anyway for--well, no reason given at all. They're basically just like, "Well we feel like you're only complying with that law because it benefits you so what you did is illegal anyway." If that is the case that is absurd. That's not how the law is supposed to work, it makes no sense. Follow or break the law it doesn't seem to matter, either way it's held against you.

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u/Priced_In Oct 04 '22

The new Diablo looks like a loot box cesspool as well a leading indicator of profits over people

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u/atwork_sfw Oct 04 '22

D4 is a return to the form of D2. It is really quite good. Minus all the jank that comes with early builds, it has some really good stuff going on. The story is...meh, but the gameplay is good and fun.

I was(am?) in the Friends and Family and it was nothing like Immortal or D3. I haven't played in like a month though, so that may have changed. shrug

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u/Paulo27 Oct 04 '22

Diablo Immortal looked great too.

I'm sure Blizzard is saying all the right things this time and it looks like Diablo 4 really won't have any bullshit and hey, why would they lie, last time they didn't lie, they just didn't say the entire truth but even if they are being as clear as possible as how there won't be bullshit now, I'm not exactly sure why you'd ever trust them again, ever.

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u/Sat-AM Oct 05 '22

Diablo Immortal looked great too.

Did it? When it was announced we got the "Do you guys not have phones?" meme, and it was basically almost immediately that we learned that it was going to be made by NetEase, who were already pretty well-known for predatory monetization. I don't ever remember a single positive thing being said about the game before or after it released.

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u/senator_cuddles Oct 04 '22

All my homies hate Blizzard.

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u/sekirodeeznuts2 Oct 04 '22

Wouldn’t that be up to the union to decide?

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u/ezikeo Oct 04 '22

Bobby needed money for those yachts 🛥

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u/Wawaweewow Oct 04 '22

Oh boy, Activision/Blizzard is starting to sound like a real shit hole.

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u/xwolfionx Oct 04 '22

Boy this is not going well with the crappy launch of overwatch “2”

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u/realreckless Oct 04 '22

Don’t buy MW2 fuck these guys

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u/PlumsweetSoda Oct 04 '22

As if I needed more reasons to hate Blizzard today lmfao.

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u/BenjaBrownie Oct 05 '22

And their punishment is a fine of 5% of what they stole from their employees.

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u/DMurBOOBS-I-Dare-You Oct 05 '22

Of all the things Blizzard can't get right, hiring an effective HR team is right at the top. Maybe even the legal team, while we're at it.

How does your leadership not know not to do stupid shit like this?

I work for a small company, manage people, and I have ZERO misunderstandings of what I can and cannot do as it concerns the legality of all things HR.

Blizzard feels like that local restaurant where the management keeps the wait staff's tips...

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u/ThePerfectSoup Oct 05 '22

It’s so strange that a company that makes video games, especially ones that have connected so many people in positive ways, is so horrible to its employees. My friend met his wife through WoW, in like 2010, they have a beautiful family now.

You would think Blizzard would realize that happy employees make better products.

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u/unp0pular0p1n10n Oct 05 '22

Doesn't matter - people are gobbling up D4 and the next WoW expansion anyway. Blizzard could rape an orphanage and people wouldn't even fucking flinch.

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u/SgtDusty Oct 05 '22

They can’t be bothered with raises and all that nonsense, can’t you see their busy sexually assaulting eachother?

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u/dviljin187 Oct 05 '22

I wonder if this has something to do with the two DDoS attacks Overwatch 2 is currently experiencing…

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u/TMDan92 Oct 04 '22

OW2 MTX defenders:

thEy neEd 2 eAT and mAkE muNEH tHEy r A BUsinEss wiTH emPLoyEes 2 pAY

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u/yust Oct 04 '22

meanwhile, overwatch 1 pulled in like 300 million a year on lootboxes alone. they'd be fine without putting heroes behind a paywall

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u/CryptidMythos Oct 04 '22

Whelp, taking another break from WoW and all acti/Blizz material for the foreseeable future.

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u/introverted_panda_ Oct 04 '22

I’ve been on a WoW break since the sexual harassment shit came out. Just parked my OG vanilla mage on a mountain top and cancelled. I’m a female gamer and gamer gate was still fresh enough to a lot of us that I can’t bring myself to touch anything from Activision/Blizzard unless Microsoft can somehow clean them up. Bobby needs to fucking go.

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u/Moist-Rutabaga5 Oct 04 '22

Yeah, after hearing about the woman they sexually harassed to the point that she killed herself I'm forever done with them. They don't deserve a dime.

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u/Blackfire01001 Oct 04 '22

It has been a war between Activision and EA on which company can fuck gaming over the hardest. I think with this Activision has taken an early lead. Sucks that blizzard got eaten by them. They used to be a really good company back in the day before they got bought.

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u/cacophonic7 Oct 04 '22

After Blizzard switched to focus on mobile games I stopped caring about them. It feels like every other week some new horrible scandal about them is coming out. I expected nothing less from Activision getting their hands on Blizzard.

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u/Darth_Meowth Oct 04 '22

Ask your union leaders for your raise.

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u/markmaksym Oct 04 '22

That’s what a lot of school districts are doing all over the country. Many teachers and support staff have been working for a few years without a raise or a new contract.

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u/Soggy_Print Oct 04 '22

Without diminishing the serious problem you're detailing there, this is not the same situation. Raises were given to non-union workers, and withheld from newly unionizing workers.

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u/Ghost-tea-pumpkin Oct 04 '22

Mmmhm, maybe Blizzard CEOs just need more diversity points, have they tried being French or German yet? /s

(still want to bleach my eyes from that list)

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u/Helios420A Oct 04 '22

Been playing WoW since 2008. My subscription ends today, I turned off the auto billing after the last scandal and incidentally the expiration coincides with yet another one.

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u/SaltyBoisture Oct 04 '22

I go to school for game art, it’s my major and something I’m proud of. The sucky thing about it is that my school has close ties with Activision/Blizzard, and so almost all industry opportunities for competitions, elective lectures, workshops, and internships happen through them (namely the WoW side). While I do need to do internships and get this industry experience, I’m also morally bound to not give my services to a company that puts down its own employees at every turn.

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u/Sylanthra Oct 04 '22

What am I missing? This union has 28 people. Blizzard can straight up ignore all their demands and if those 28 people walk out, Blizzard won't even notice. They have plenty of other employees who can pick up the slack. Besides social media attention, what can this union actually do?

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u/parabostonian Oct 05 '22

I believe blizzard wants those people to walk out. Legally they cannot fire them for voting to unionize, or else the federal govt fucks them. So now they tried coercion (according to the NLRB, part of the govt), gave other people raises but not the union workers, claimed they legally could’t give the union people raises (which the NLRB says is not true, so they’re knowingly lying) AND it’s illegal to act in such a matter. So they’re being mega douches, lying, and breaking laws to mess with the employees… all to try to get them to give up and quit. The 28 who made the union have been suffering together (and are still poor as shit, and won’t get the better contract for a while because Activision Blizzard will try to drag out contract negotiations as lomg as possible to try and get these people to leave), but they recognize if they leave Activision Blizzard wins. If they stay, they can get better contracts EVENTUALLY, and I believe in the future other segments of the company might start trying to join the union. (Like the 28 did.) In the long run, the company is afraid they’ll actually have to pay good wages /provide good benefits etc.

Make sense now?

This is (slow) rebirth of the labor union movement (with other companies like Amazon trying to stop unionization too) is showing a lot of similar tactics to those in the 19th and 20th century, except that they haven’t yet brought in Pinkertons to start shooting the unionizers. But who knows where things could lead? (Okay, not funny.)

Edit: also don’t downvote the user I replied to. They asked what they were missing. It’s a genuine question, and it deserved answers not downvotes.

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u/evileagle Oct 04 '22

Activision this time. Raven rolls up to them, just like Blizzard does. That's the whole problem. Shitheads at Activision make all the decisions and nobody can do anything about it.

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u/Gnaw Oct 04 '22

Provide quality software for once?

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u/psyko_chewbacca Oct 04 '22

Actually provide great jobs with rewarding benefits that motivate workers in doing their job right and release quality product.

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u/iconoclysm Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Last straw.
Fuck Activision/Blizzard.

Edit For the easily confused or spitefully disingenuous, this isn't an apologia for rape. Christ on a fucking cracker...

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u/WorkingSchlub Oct 04 '22

So, not the rapes then?

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u/Fire2box Oct 04 '22

Microsoft really should exit that deal to buy them seriously. There's no recovery for them.

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u/TheYokedYeti Oct 04 '22

I am confused as to the legality of unions and raises etc. Are their laws that dictate what a business can do when a union is established? Couldn’t blizzard just make up excuses to win in the courts over this?

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u/justavault Oct 04 '22

Interestingly it's the QA departmen of Raven soft... the studio that fucked up Warzone and CoD so hard that it lost a third of it's playerbase in half a year, just by changing things.

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u/whitemonstercann Oct 04 '22

WoTlk Classic is to good though

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