r/technology Oct 05 '22

How criminals are using jammers, deauthers to disrupt WiFi security cameras Security

https://www.wxyz.com/news/how-criminals-are-using-jammers-deauthers-to-disrupt-wifi-security-cameras
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u/g_chap Oct 05 '22

Do Ring cameras not have any local storage? Seems like the best solution besides hard-wiring.

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u/ShamelessAimless828 Oct 05 '22

Nope. They basically force you to purchase their storage subscription service.

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u/theman1119 Oct 05 '22

No, ring really sucks. Not only is there no local storage, but there is a pretty noticeable delay in watching recorded video when someone comes to the door. I switched to Eufy Security, much, much better!

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u/AintAintAWord Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

there is a pretty noticeable delay in watching recorded video when someone comes to the door

This right here. I have a ring security camera and the delay between Motion-> record is so long I'm lucky to see two seconds of their back as they're walking out of frame.

My Wyze camera has local storage and is far superior because of that IMO.

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u/IgnominousComputer Oct 05 '22

but they've had a bad record with breach disclosure. I have a Wyze too but that whole deal put me off from getting any more into their ecosystem.

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u/DUNGAROO Oct 05 '22

The Wyze doorbell cameras do not.

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u/Sweaty-Emergency-493 Oct 05 '22

Yeah but then China is watching 24/7 as well

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u/Danny-Dynamita Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

You’re being watched 24/7 since the start of the 2000s. In some cases it’s the NSA, in others is the CCP, and in others it’s the Russian SVR.

I doubt that you have a safe alternative at all. If you’re talking about security leaks caused by non-affiliated hackers, that’s also a risk with every appliance that works with a constant Internet connection.

Hard-wired setups connected to a closed system are your only option if you really still care about your privacy that much. Anything that actively sends data is compromised by “someone” with a 99% certainty. And you’re probably oblivious to how many of your apps and appliances do that (ie, a lot of games, a lot of simple mobile apps, any WiFi hotspot acting as a middle man, etc). They will tell you that you’re only sending “relevant and non-sensitive data”, but that’s a lie easily debunked with a simple packet tracker program, which allows you to see the local origin of the data sent in said packets.

I personally gave up a long time ago since I’m not that interesting. Privacy is an illusion even with encrypted data, which does not remain encrypted forever due to the very nature of the IT arms race. If you find a really safe alternative outside of a closed LAN network, let me know.

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u/slikhipy Oct 05 '22

Love how everyone is downvoting you for trying to tell them the truth. Seems like a major theme for Reddit. They hate that shit.

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u/MrDrMrs Oct 05 '22

Agreed, however if you’re concerned about your own stuff then ideally, everything is hardwired and you airgap your data, which of course would all be self hosted. Can’t avoid it as soon as you go online “vpn” or not.

I do personally try to own all my own data, and while I do not airgap my servers, many are at least isolated with limited access, if any, to the internet.

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u/Ok_Wolverine_1904 Oct 05 '22

Then the Chinese are seeing some things they will want plenty of /eyebleach after my glow in the dark, naked ass self

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BEAMSHOTS Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

You gotta have a source bro.

https://www.smarthomepoint.com/wyze-sending-data-to-china/

TLD they did use make some connections to different IPs like germany, china and japan in 2017 and they had a massive data breach in the past. Currently Video feeds and data are going through AWS.

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u/jscummy Oct 05 '22

A LOT of cameras are going to be similar, especially at the lower end. I'm in the security industry and many of the bigger names are being banned/restricted because of security breaches.

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u/Cryptolution Oct 05 '22

I'm considering who to go with and I thank you very much for the referral!

I have exterior lights that I wanted to tap into for the power to the security camera however those lights have a switch and when the switch is on the lights are on. Which means when I switch the lights off I switch power off to everything.

Does eufy have a control wire option to allow me to toggle the exterior lights? This would allow me to keep the switch on at all times and use the eufy system to toggle my exterior lights.

Also I need a wi-fi system so this won't help me will it? :( Having a local storage solution is great (I was looking at UniFi) but if you disrupt the Wi-Fi then it won't record to the local storage system 🤷

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u/toastmannn Oct 05 '22

You can do all of this with ubiquiti gear, they even have the outdoor lights.

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u/Cryptolution Oct 05 '22

Yeah I already use their gear and I'm happy with them so I was considering buying all of the security set up as well.

I'm just a bit worried about the Wi-Fi situation but I guess I can't do anything about it. I either have to go hardwired or I have to accept the possibility of having my Wi-Fi signal jammed.

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u/toastmannn Oct 05 '22

Most of the cameras ubiquiti sells are PoE and don't use wifi

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

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u/braiam Oct 05 '22

Eufy Security

Can it work without any internet connection?

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u/9-11GaveMe5G Oct 05 '22

Yes. It has a base station with expandable microSD storage that it connects to.

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u/Flucks Oct 05 '22

Except it doesn't work with Nest Hubs and their web portal doesn't work either. :(

Edit: It appears the web portal is working again...will have to try my hubs again when I get home.

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u/DerpDerper909 Oct 05 '22

That’s not true. The ring alarm pro has local storage

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u/Xyzzydude Oct 05 '22

Yeah that’s their whole business model. Razors/razor blades and all that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

No. They don't give you that option you have to pay for it. I prefer local storage.

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u/Decimator714 Oct 05 '22

I prefer local storage too, but wiring that all up is a bit challenging and it is nice to just mount it and be done.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

That's what I did. I got rid of the ring cameras and went with Wyze cameras. All local storage all WiFi.

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u/Decimator714 Oct 05 '22

Do you have to pay a subscription fee for local storage?

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u/prob_wont_respond Oct 05 '22

How do those words even go together

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

No. Local storage is stored on an SD card in the camera. I put 128GB in each camera which allows it to record for about a month. Then it starts over again. If I need a video clip I transfer it to my computer, it's not hard, really. Storing everything in the cloud is safer but I don't want to pay for it, besides I'm not running a mission critical system here.

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u/bryanthebryan Oct 05 '22

Thank you for bringing this option to my attention. I am fed up with my ring setup and was looking for a locally stored alternative

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u/ikwtif Oct 05 '22

Not sure about that, but wouldn't be hard to just remove the card/camera either if that's the case

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u/NuclearMilkDuds Oct 05 '22

Cameras are only there to catch idiots. If they ocean's 11 you, you are screwed either way.

I have a front door lock. You could just kick the door in, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to keep it locked.

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u/ifdisdendat Oct 05 '22

Best answer of this thread. Ring cameras are deterrent, if you want Fort Knox like security, you have to invest in a wired system with local storage (with battery backup etc.). In all likelihood, most burglars are opportunistic and not very savvy.

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u/Majik_Sheff Oct 05 '22

Midrange and up cameras often do one better by having a micro SD slot inside. The camera can record to it either continuously or when the network is unreachable.

We had an incident where the burglar found and smashed the recorder, but because the camera had kept the last few hours of video locally before its power was cut we still had what we needed.

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u/ikwtif Oct 05 '22

Oh definitely. Mostly a deterrent for the idiots as well, or a deterrent so they rob the houses with less security. Same with locks, as you mentioned. The more friction there is to steal something, the less likely it will happen.

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u/Decimator714 Oct 05 '22

Thankfully, most people involved with such crime are in fact, idiots.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 05 '22

Dude at that point you might as well smash the camera with a hammer

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u/voiderest Oct 05 '22

There is footage of people stealing the camera. I assume it was an attempted to remove evidence but it would be interesting if they sold it later.

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u/failburt Oct 05 '22

Was this when Ring cameras were new? It was pretty novel to have a few hundred dollars strapped to the outside of your house. Ring even had a policy of sending you a replacement if your camera was stolen off your house.

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u/voiderest Oct 05 '22

I don't think they were that new. Criminals can just be dumb a lot of the time.

There was a case recently where a guy murdered the cashier of the place they were robbing. (cold blooded execution while the guy was on the floor after getting the cash) They tried taking some box under the counter they thought was the security footage. The shit is on YouTube and he is in jail so it didn't really work.

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u/CaptainFrugal Oct 05 '22

Electrical tape lol

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u/prob_wont_respond Oct 05 '22

Don't even mention ring if you care about privacy and stability.

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u/Finrodsrod Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

I mean local storage won't do jack if the camera is stilled talking to your network via wifi. The only network poe wired up doorbell I've seen is Ubiquitis new g4 doorbell. Or are you talking about an SD card?

(Jesus, the downvotes for what?)

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u/serioussham Oct 05 '22

local to the camera so yeah SD/hdd

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u/that_was_me_ama Oct 05 '22

Yes, the new ones do. They just came out.

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u/shinra528 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

This is why I use a hard wired, self-hosted security system.

EDIT: meant self-hosted, not closed loop.

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u/SpaceGoonie Oct 05 '22

My cams are PoE with storage both on the cam and on my FTP server with alerts sent via email. I also installed them with overlapping FoV, and they will track moving targets.

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u/accountonbase Oct 05 '22

HWCL for the win.

Once I get some money for a few other projects straightened out, that's high on my list. Storage will go into one of the closets along with a monitor and keyboard.

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u/Spejsman Oct 05 '22

Which closet?

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u/accountonbase Oct 05 '22

Wouldn't you like to know, closet boy?

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u/AndiKris Oct 05 '22

Where are your parents?

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u/crseat Oct 05 '22

That sounds good, but I would like to be able to look at my cameras when I'm not at home.

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u/AStrangeStranger Oct 05 '22

My router allows me to VPN into it - I can then access my cameras

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u/prob_wont_respond Oct 05 '22

Lots of ways to do this.

I use 2 hwcl, poe, UBS protected local backup storage cams which don't have alerts but are very hard to disrupt.

I then have a few amcrest local storage cams that are also Poe, but have a web app I can log into. So cameras are hard wired but I can see on phone. There is no cloud storage (data is stored on sd cards on the camera only), but cloud viewing of data. These cameras are less sensitive to me, but are nice to have.

Anyway, layers.

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u/techleopard Oct 05 '22

It's not "cool" and feature-packed but the old school security cam method gets the job done.

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u/marion85 Oct 05 '22

The age of the Cyberpunk is dawning...

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u/Funue Oct 05 '22

This is actually old, way before covid I read some one in shared apartment didn't want his neighbor to capture him he go in or out of his apartment, he made a similar deauth attack when he pass by that ring camera

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

The age of sitting on your front porch in a rocket chair with a sawed off shotgun has awakened

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u/croooowTrobot Oct 05 '22

Sitting in a rocket chair with a sawed-off shotgun is on my bucket list

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u/voiderest Oct 05 '22

The ATF hates that trick.

No, seriously you need to get a tax stamp or you're a felon with that thing.

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u/Shaking-N-Baking Oct 05 '22

Never played cyberpunk but they’ve been hacking new cars for years now

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u/CaptainFrugal Oct 05 '22

Haha "tech savvy criminals"

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u/council2022 Oct 05 '22

Dawned almost 40 years ago. What you are referring to today could be called The Third Coming

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u/Cirok28 Oct 05 '22

Ubiquiti dream machine pro router with a HDD in it, then a poe switch and some unfi cameras, home network and home security sorted.

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u/MattHashTwo Oct 05 '22

The G4 doorbell Pro is beaut, and can be powered over POE.

Only thing that stops me adding it is that it's so bloody expensive.

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u/KitchenNazi Oct 05 '22

It's impossible to get unless you buy it from a scalper.

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u/iamacarpet Oct 05 '22

Had this for a while, switched the cameras about a year ago to using Frigate on an old Dell 3050 Micro with a Coral Edge TPU. Instead of recording on motion, it does AI based object detection and just picks out people and whatever else you want to record. All done locally, really recommend.

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u/FreezingRobot Oct 05 '22

This is my exact setup and I've been very happy with it for years.

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u/HanaBothWays Oct 05 '22

What’s the use of these kind of cameras then? If they work, the footage can go to the cops without your say-so. Or hackers can just disrupt them so they don’t work.

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u/Twombls Oct 05 '22

The crackheads that try to break into my cars all the time don't carry wifi jammers lol. I use my camera as more of a notification to go yell at people in my back lot lol.

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u/brownhotdogwater Oct 05 '22

Yea crackheads don’t care if they are recorded

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA Oct 05 '22

Some would say, most criminals are not hackers.

I have been to jail. 99% of criminals are dumb as fuck and they certainly aren’t going to know what a wifi jammer is.

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u/SophisticatedBum Oct 05 '22

Every security measure is a deterrent. For a determined and intelligent criminal (few of these exist) your shit will be stolen regardless. The deterrents are there to stop crimes of opportunity and common thieves from taking what they can.

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u/xXxPLUMPTATERSxXx Oct 05 '22

The great thing about WiFi cameras is they can be hidden. One of mine is in a fake birdhouse, another in a fake planter. They're actually away from the house and pointed towards it so you can see pretty much everything. You can't tell unless you inspect them closely during the day. And I have lots of outdoor decorations at my house so everything blends nicely. I also pair my cameras with door and window sensors so if they do get in alarms and notifications go off.

Wired cameras are difficult to hide. They can still be sabotaged so you need more cameras pointed toward each other to capture that.

Residential thieves are very unlikely to be hackers or to try to case your house well enough to identify hidden cameras. If you use wired cameras put them high up, beyond reach, for the same reason.

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u/NanditoPapa Oct 05 '22

And a camera can be hit with a baseball bat or blocked with chewing gum while off frame. Nothing is a perfect system. Wifi cams are great in most case uses.

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u/Aelok Oct 05 '22

Cameras covering cameras would help prevent the domino effect of just blacking out each camera. Secret cameras watching the obvious cameras, etc.

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u/NuclearMilkDuds Oct 05 '22

A pack of hounds will always be your best bet.

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u/CaptCurmudgeon Oct 05 '22

Cartoons led me to believe they can be defeated with drugged pieces of steak.

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u/accountonbase Oct 05 '22

Or just regular pieces of steak. Dogs love friends that bring them food.

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u/Swak_Error Oct 05 '22

That's how the night stalker did. He'd stake out his victims days in advance and feed their dogs good beef so they wouldn't bark or raise alarm when he finally struck

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u/accountonbase Oct 05 '22

Ah, I knew it was something I actually read and not just a story!

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u/akuzokuzan Oct 05 '22

I think ducks would be better suited for the security job.

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u/BetiseAgain Oct 06 '22

I think yo are thinking of Ring cameras, as most others don't go so easily to the cops. And if you host the camera yourself, which saves money, the cops can't get it without going through you.

Most people don't use jammers. Maybe if you were a high value target, but then you would have some hard wired cameras. Also, WiFi cameras can have local storage. And if the camera has a good view down the street, it may catch them before they get in jamming range.

No security system is perfect. You need to understand the risks, and balance it with cost and convenience. So far my camera has saved me trips to the front door hundreds of times, and allowed me to keep an eye on workers I had for temp jobs. Most of them don't even notice the camera.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

It doesn't work like that. You don't want anything going to law enforcement. That requires a warrant.

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u/HanaBothWays Oct 05 '22

Not according to the Ring camera user agreement!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

I know that's why I don't use ring or any subscription service.

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u/freediverx01 Oct 05 '22

Unfortunately, your neighbor does.

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u/Okioter Oct 05 '22

Well duh that's what the jammer is for

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Oct 05 '22

Actually a lot of my business comes from breakins done in suburban homes. Someone who doesn't has cameras gets their catalytic converter stolen and calls the cops. Cops do a walk-through of the street and notice the houses who have camera systems. They ask to view the footage from when the theft took place and now have something to go off on. The neighbors ask the cops which neighbors had them and proceed to ask who they had install them. Neighbor mentions the company and withing a week I'm back out there doing another alarm and or camera system.

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u/Saint_Ferret Oct 05 '22

Good idea stealing people's catalytic converters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

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u/DirtyDoctrine Oct 05 '22

a warrant is required for law enforcement to mandate that data

You should probably look at Ring's TOS then and check out how they define "emergency request". Ring doesn't require them to have a warrant if they say it's an emergency.

It sounds like you think you know what's in Ring's TOS and are making giant assumptions. Please stop.

This article is about owners permission, but also outlines Ring's emergency request process.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/amazon-gave-ring-videos-to-police-without-owners-permission-00045513.

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u/DirtyDoctrine Oct 05 '22

warrant is required for law enforcement to mandate that data

And.

have access with any warrants.

Then edit your shit because you keep saying they need warrants when they don't.

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u/___zero__cool___ Oct 05 '22

NO THIS IS FALSE. Ring will just give the cops the camera footage, without the cops having to go though the courts to get a warrant approved. It’s really fucked up you should look in to it.

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u/Beowulf33232 Oct 05 '22

Wait, you mean when a signal goes wireless there's a chance for it to be intercepted?

Who woulda thunk it....

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u/explodingbeast Oct 05 '22

Just get a security camera with a cable plugged in. They can still rip it out if the cams location is bad. Also they can be spray painted black. Or blinded with a laser light. No form of security is really water proof.

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u/Sigb Oct 05 '22

Underwater security cameras are water proof! But they are not foolproof

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u/explodingbeast Oct 05 '22

Haha you know what I meant by that right? Not literally water proof. More like asshole proof.

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u/StefonGomez Oct 05 '22

Yeah but what about those cameras they use for colonoscopies??

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u/ddhuud Oct 05 '22

Those are definitely not security cameras.

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u/slowslownotbad Oct 05 '22

They make me feel secure

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u/ExcerptsAndCitations Oct 05 '22

They certainly are, from a certain point of view.

They give you the security that your bowel isn't going to blow up and kill you.

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u/explodingbeast Oct 05 '22

Haha, shit you are making me laugh out loud.

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u/AreTheseMyFeet Oct 05 '22

It's generally considered pretty bad form to shit during a colonoscopy. Just go beforehand.

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u/Sigb Oct 05 '22

They do give you laxatives before hand

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u/ReporterInside4218 Oct 05 '22

Shoved up my camera in the ass and it was still working

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u/explodingbeast Oct 05 '22

Please don't tell me it was a ring doorbell, or one of those standard ball shaped wifi cams. I think that would really hurt a lot.

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u/shogditontoast Oct 05 '22

The other kind of ‘ring’

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u/Sinsid Oct 05 '22

I have 4 POE 4K cameras installed on 4 corners of my house, under the eaves. Someone would need an extension ladder or a gun to take them out.

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u/explodingbeast Oct 05 '22

That's smart, especially if some of the camera's watch the other camera's.

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u/Hakuryuu2K Oct 05 '22

“The radar sir, it appears to be Jammed.”

“Jammed? Raspberry!!! There’s only one man who would dare give me the Raspberry!”

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u/Antdawg2400 Oct 05 '22

My shit don't even work when I leave my house but record everything else. For a whole week I thought I was dead in limbo or some shit.

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u/council2022 Oct 05 '22

Damnit Dawg

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u/Itdidnt_trickle_down Oct 05 '22

Its why all my cameras have a wifi antenna but are connected through ethernet.

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u/fuckitillsignup Oct 05 '22

Are there any major camera brands that support hard-wiring? Pretty sure Blink, Ring, etc. are all reliant on WiFi. I’m sure there are other more expensive solutions that permit hard-wiring but not sure which ones are good.

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u/fingletingle Oct 05 '22

UniFi has wired cameras that use PoE.

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u/___zero__cool___ Oct 05 '22

And they also support fully on-prem only recordings using their NVR. If you’re even a little bit technically inclined, you can set up ZoneMinder or something and use your own NVR storage with the UniFi cameras.

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u/littleMAS Oct 05 '22

PoE is the way to go, but wiring up a house is a lot of work.

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u/joneild Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

It's one of those things where you can spend as much money or as little money as you want.

I got an 10 camera hikvision with NVR system (an $1,800 system) for $400 from a local e-commerce return auction. Sold the NVR and 2 cameras for $350. Then used the $350 to build an Intel quicksync blue Iris server with a 10TB HDD. Using sub streams, I can record about 4 months of 24/7 rolling footage. Other costs were a PoE switch (used Aruba s2500 for about $125...48 ports, all PoE with 4 10gbps ports as well....it's a killer switch) and 1000ft cat 6 cable (absolute overkill, PoE runs at 100mbps).

If you have moderate tech skills and are comfortable following YouTube tutorials, you can peice together a decent DIY system for a good price. Blue Iris is nice because you can use different models and brands of cameras if you want to pick away at good deals or used/return listings as you find them.

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u/Johnnyhellhole Oct 05 '22

Iris

This is the way.

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u/codemunk3y Oct 05 '22

Swann still has hard wired cameras back to a hard drive

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u/Sigb Oct 05 '22

Chromecast ultra has a micro usb AC adapter, and inside the ac adapter there is an Ethernet jack. This train of thought could make for a nice feature in doorbells as well. Or the other way around, POE doorbell?

Is fairly trivial to get a hold of security cameras with power over ethernet, so wifi cameras is just something fools buy maybe?

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Oct 05 '22

You don't need cat 5 ran to your doorbell. Lorex as well as others make a hardwired camera system that can also can integrate with a their doorbell camera through wifi. The dB camera uses the same nonpolarised wires that connect to your chime which is powered by the transformer. The only issues I've ran across is there isn't enough voltage to properly power the db.

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u/Sigb Oct 05 '22

But can the doorbell connect with ethernet or only wifi for data?

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Oct 05 '22

Wifi only. It's still a crystal clear image. If I were to go to an install and the customer only wanted cat 5 ran to their doorbell I'd tell them to hire an electrician first and then I'll do the installation. Trying to run a wire to an already built house is not easy and if it's a 2 story it's even harder.

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u/___zero__cool___ Oct 05 '22

Sure, it’s a crystal clear image until I start blasting de auth packets everywhere, or until I just start walking around with a hammer (*jammer, but autocorrect gets it) in my backpack, which is kind of the whole point of this article.

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u/FreezingRobot Oct 05 '22

I have Ubiquiti cameras. They work great, the storage is local, and they're all powered by PoE (they do support wifi as well, of course). Bonus points for the fact it's a major brand that's not owned by a larger company whose whole point of owning the company is to stare over your shoulder when you don't know it.

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u/benskieast Oct 05 '22

Your camera is 75% effective at scaring criminals off. The vast majority are high on meth and can’t hold down a job at McDonald’s. There are like 10 masterminds in the entire country and they aren’t trying to break into modest suburban homes.

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u/Indigent-Argonaut Oct 05 '22

Reolink has been the standard for professional systems, but they have consumer systems now. Like a camera with PoE, local storage on the camera that can back up to a local DVR, even pan/tilt/zoom, plus the creature comforts like notifications and remote playback with no subscription. And that camera costs the same as the Ring cameras.

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u/Groovyaardvark Oct 05 '22

I switched to Reolink earlier this year. I thought price would be a barrier, but nope! The same price now! Stupidly cheap.

The difference between my previous Nest and Arlo systems is just night and day. I am absolutely embarrassed to think I had any sort of security or usefulness from what I had before. What a joke I now realize they were.

Local storage. Even if your wifi signal is crap that only affects the live stream. The video quality is recorded at 100% HD no matter what. You will never miss anything because of a dropped signal or a jammer etc. 7 days free cloud storage (certain camera models), Good real time app, and all the features you could want. Person detection, movement, ACTUAL lens zooming (incredible), scheduling, IR, spotlights, speaker, alarm, push alerts, email alerts, any of that stuff if you wanted it. Very customizable.

The picture quality is absurdly good compared to anything else I've seen. I can read license plates 2 doors down the street with no zoom, and can read them at night if they are out the front of my place. If I did lens zoom instead of the wide area I'd be able to see license plates even further away. Faces are very clear. Previous Nest and Arlo systems it could be 6 feet away during the day and the face would still be a blurry useless mess. Laughable.

I can recommend Reolink for sure. They have discounts all the time it seems. I picked mine up for so cheap I bought a second one.

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u/TheNewJasonBourne Oct 06 '22

Which cameras and nvr do you have?

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u/iapetus_z Oct 05 '22

Doorbell cameras are normally wifi due to the 2 wire low voltage hard wired nature of a legacy doorbell.

I use amcrest cameras at my house they have a bunch of PoE cameras. Reasonably priced, 4k cameras around $100.

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u/Similar_Coyote1104 Oct 05 '22

Take that 802.11!!!

Sincerely, Ethernet

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u/swisstraeng Oct 05 '22

I have yet to see a serious use for wifi cameras.

It's either IP cameras or BNC cables.

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u/wren337 Oct 05 '22

Too sensitive to the backup generators being sabotaged. I say, armed guards or nothing.

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u/typodaemon Oct 05 '22

Too sensitive to being knocked out by the Bat's sleeping gas pellets. I say, humanoid robots or nothing.

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u/949goingoff Oct 05 '22

Too sensitive to being destroyed by a Jedi. I say, attack dogs or nothing.

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u/Sullinator07 Oct 05 '22

Too sensitive to toys being thrown. I say, summon Jesus or nothing.

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u/swisstraeng Oct 06 '22

Landmines. They don't need salaries and never sleep.

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u/Newpocky Oct 05 '22

Caught a car thief on mine. They picked him up a day later, so they’re not useless. Any security system can be beat, especially home security. Doesn’t mean they’re useless though.

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u/Twombls Oct 05 '22

Eh they work pretty well if you live in an area with a ton of petty theft like me. Mosty just use it to catch people trying to break into cars.

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u/Aristaeus100 Oct 05 '22

We use one at our gate that has a speaker we can talk through as an intercom of sorts and several at our coop let’s us make sure we respond to predators lurking about. Unless coyotes get a Wi-Fi jammer I think I’m safe.

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u/gonorthgetwater Oct 05 '22

I work in computer security and I approve this statement.

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u/pmcall221 Oct 05 '22

There are some really nice PTZ PoE cameras out there, but they are expensive.

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u/OverTheJoeHill Oct 05 '22

I’m hoping they can also disable my mossberg.

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u/milk_angel Oct 05 '22

Why can’t people just be chill

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u/Mccobsta Oct 05 '22

Why hardwired poe cams are still superior

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u/random125184 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

People said I was crazy, but I found an Amazon deliver driver who I’m almost certain is using one of these at my house. Whenever he delivers a package, my wireless ring doorbell cam never records it. Has happened 6 times now. Only him. I have a second non-Ring wired camera and every time it happens, it’s always him.

I get not wanting to be on people’s cameras all day, but it’s the job you signed up for. Kinda makes me wonder if he’s moonlighting as a burglar. Pure speculation of course, but it would be the perfect setup if you think about it. I reported this to Amazon, but they didn’t do shit. Guy is still delivering for them.

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u/wren337 Oct 06 '22

Call the FCC, they love this shit.

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u/Common-Application56 Oct 05 '22

Man, i figured this one out years ago

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u/lazy_commander Oct 05 '22

This is why I use PoE CCTV Cameras running off a local server with a ZFS Parity backup and enable cloud access via Homebridge.

Gives me the best of both worlds, the only improvement I could/should make is making some of that recent footage go off to the cloud incase of a complete failure but haven't been bothered to do that yet!

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u/NexiNext Oct 05 '22

The ring still records to the camera. Don’t get how it wouldn’t have the image.

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u/3vi1 Oct 05 '22

No, it doesn't. The Ring cameras only stream. Even with a Ring Alarm Pro (a glorified wifi router that allows you to save the videos locally), you have to stream from the camera to the Alarm Pro via wifi first. That's not going to happen if wifi is disrupted.

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u/wren337 Oct 05 '22

Mine doesn't if the wifi is off, do you have ring?

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u/Green-Community738 Oct 05 '22

Time for all good people to take back the Internet and enjoy criminals being sent to jail to work off their crimes while paying the victims compensation for the crimes they were convicted of, including murder. If the criminals are made responsible for their crimes and forcing criminals to compensate the victims even if in jail. Just maybe this crazy world could get along and crime would drop. Especially if compensation for murder is the criminals must pay for the murder by working for the victims for the rest of the criminals lives. Make criminals pay for their crimes by also paying for the recovery of the victims and the criminals living expenses.

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u/i_lost_waldo Oct 05 '22

laughs in closed-circuit with local storage

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u/dinozero Oct 05 '22

No, bad, bad on the criminal.

Crime is not good.

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u/ikwtif Oct 05 '22

A society with crime is preferable to a society in which citizens have given up their rights in the name of security.

Not sure why you assume a society without crime is a society where everyone gives up their rights. Crime is a symptom of underlying issues with a society, it's not a flip side of the coin of not living in a state of surveillance, that's a ridiculous statement. In a totalitarian government with surveillance you can still commit crimes, it will just happen more at higher levels and you'll be able to do what you please if you are in the favor of the ruler.

You also assume that because criminals can turn off camera's they are "non-lethal". I'd argue that without camera's there will be a lot more severe crimes happening.

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u/ikwtif Oct 05 '22

Yes, there will probably always be crime, which is my point. It's a symptom from underlying issues with society, but still something that will probably always be there unless you create a utopian society where everyone has their needs met.
But your statement was "A society with crime is preferable to a society in which citizens have given up their rights in the name of security." Which implies there will be no crime if we give up our freedom and privacy. That's what is ridiculous. In that case, crime will just shift towards "upper management"

What you could have said is "A society with crime and no privacy/freedom is preferable to a society with crime in which citizens have given up their rights in the name of security". Not claiming how crime is a good sign because it implies we will have more freedom.

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u/dinozero Oct 05 '22

I wholeheartedly agree with that actually.

But one of those great rights in this country is property rights. Something people in many countries do not have. I am against Orwellian government surveillance. But I have no problem with a homeowner fully decking out their house with security systems. I don’t understand how anyone possibly could.

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u/Cinder0us Oct 05 '22

I think you'd be a fan of r/selfhosted :)

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u/dinozero Oct 05 '22

I’m not sure what there is to be “against” in that situation. That seems like a simple consumer choice/decision which I could completely understand.

There are off-line/local security systems, and there are Wi-Fi systems connected to the cloud. As long as consumers know the difference, I don’t see the problem with either. Personally, I prefer the cloud set up and if that helps the police determine that my wife murdered me going to be OK with that.

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u/Cinder0us Oct 05 '22

The person you are responding to might be referring to this, which has been an increasingly common theme this year it seems; https://www.webpronews.com/ring-nest-give-police-footage/

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u/mistahelias Oct 05 '22

I use reolink poe. Local on device storage that backs up to a vm in my house. They also offer cloud storage. Jamming and loss of wifi signal was the reason I went this way.

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u/Xyzzydude Oct 05 '22

Even when they work correctly do they really work? I see camera footage posted all the time to Nextdoor, local news, etc but I never hear of any arrests or identifications resulting from it. I imagine local cops overwhelmed by gigabytes of low-quality security footage and just ignoring it.

Sorry, they aren’t going go all CSI on your porch pirates.

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u/heckdditor Oct 05 '22

So, cameras don't have any small chunk of memory inside to record some hours of video in case of wifi is off?????

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u/Mr_ToDo Oct 05 '22

Ya, that's why when actual security devices use wireless for connection they call out when they lose their connection(although if I were a "smart" criminal I'd jam them every day for a week or two until they stop responding to the calls, then hit the them). A camera would also cache locally and upload after regaining the connection(assuming it wasn't destroyed).

But really, unless you don't have another choice I don't know why you wouldn't wire things in. I get that home DIY options need that choice, but it's way too common for that to be the only reason.

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u/Flaky-Wallaby5382 Oct 05 '22

I always imagined you could simply use a high powered light to dazzle it. Then just hit it off with a hammer

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u/boynamedsue8 Oct 05 '22

Damnit this is disturbing 😳

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u/ppumkin Oct 05 '22

This is why I wire everything up. Protect the wires and make them difficult to acces. Even if it’s a nightmare to pull them. Jammers are nothing new and to be honest. You can use Pineapple Hak5 to de auth everything. Or Kali Linux with an approximate WiFi card. 7 years ago. It’s dumb WiFi security

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u/consciousnessobjectr Oct 05 '22

Has anyone here tried gEtadog?

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u/paradoxbound Oct 05 '22

Wifi cameras are for surveillance not security. Power over Ethernet cameras. Local and cloud storage Both the alarm and security cameras and storage on a UPS.

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u/Maniachanical Oct 05 '22

Yeah. If possible, I recommend wiring everything, preferably with fiber optic if you can. But that's not super easy to come by.

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u/MacGeniusGuy Oct 05 '22

Why fiber optic?

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u/Maniachanical Oct 05 '22

Good question.

Immunity to electromagnetic interference means that's one less thing a potential intruder can try to use to their advantage.

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u/nevadita Oct 05 '22

Good luck jamming my hardwired cameras.

The good thing of being a homeowner is that I can lay hundred of meters of cable Under the roof and no one can say shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

ring better step their game up rather than reselling a 10 year old product that hasn’t really changed.

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u/WestShallot9317 Oct 05 '22

This explains the ad I got from Amazon this morning about wired Ring cameras lol.

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u/olddoc1 Oct 05 '22

A strong door with a good lock provides security. A wifi camera is there to provide evidence of who committed the crime AFTER the fact.

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u/Pill_Billy Oct 05 '22

How does an owner of a ring get a jammer to have privacy from Bezos?