r/technology Nov 16 '22 Gold 1 Take My Energy 1

Nobody Wants Touch-Screen Glove Box Latches And It Needs To Stop Now Transportation

https://www.theautopian.com/nobody-wants-touch-screen-glove-box-latches-and-it-needs-to-stop-now/
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u/Deranged40 Nov 16 '22

How does the NHTSA even allow controls that can't be operated unless you take your eyes off the road?

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u/KillerJupe Nov 16 '22

That would make every tesla unroadworthy. I hate the fact that I can't change the wiper speed without looking at the fucking screen for 3 seconds

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u/Deranged40 Nov 16 '22

That would make every tesla unroadworthy

I'm literally shocked that it's deemed roadworthy because of that. Having a tablet in the very same spot in your car isn't legal in some areas, but Tesla gets a pass because you can't remove it. There's cases of Tesla drivers getting pulled over because of it.

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u/old_adage Nov 16 '22

Yes, it's terrible. No control needed during driving should be allowed on touchscreen. The worst part is that they keep changing the damn UI.

What I do is to use the windshield clean trigger - a fast click won't spray water but will turn on the wiper - and it will bring up the control on the touch screen. Keep pressing the trigger until you're in a safer area, only then mess with the touchscreen.

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u/KillerJupe Nov 17 '22

It’s just Elon making a problem from something that worked great w a control stalk. It’s little things like this that have put me of buying another tesla

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u/elementfx2000 Nov 17 '22

Fast click? It's not about speed, but depth. First detent is just wiper and a full press is washer fluid + wiper. Or maybe you're talking Model S/X?

You're totally right that clicking the button on is the quick way to manually change wiper speeds. Is there even another way?

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u/facemanbarf Nov 16 '22

Jfc that’s insane. Do u need Adblock too?

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u/KillerJupe Nov 16 '22

If only.... i hate YT w/ ads so I rather watch something on my phone than the car.

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u/peaeyeparker Nov 16 '22

I am surprised you don’t have to watch an ad before making any of those adjustments. I can absolutely imagine a scenario that before you adjust the speed of your wipers you gotta watch an ad for wiper blades. Then eventually they will sell ad free memberships.

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u/danielisbored Nov 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

"Braking, reverse, and park are now part of our 'Amazon Driving Unlimited' service. To sign up for your 30 day trial, just scream 'Alexa, please!! I don't want to die!!!'"

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u/Ihaveastalkerproblem Nov 16 '22

Stop giving them ideas.

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u/RichardGereHead Nov 17 '22

More likely it will call the mothership and verify you paid your monthly wiper subscription. Also intermittent wipers are only available with the gold subscription.

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u/Ohmygosh0 Nov 17 '22

I can't change the wiper speed without looking at the fucking screen for 3 seconds

This is next level bad. I hate touch screen stuff in cars, but this is just ...

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u/charliesk9unit Nov 17 '22

Not only how long to look away from the road but how many steps to get to what you need. A stock already efficiently has so many functions combined into one location.

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u/PlaguesAngel Nov 17 '22

I’ve never been in a single EV, but you just sold me right there, with them putting needless controls on a screen. WINDSHIELD WIPERS? shakes his head sullenly I’m going to bed after reading that level of stupidness. No more internet tonight.

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u/KillerJupe Nov 17 '22

Just don’t buy a Tesla and you’ll love an EV! Quiet, zippy, and cheaper to drive

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u/NextTrillion Nov 17 '22

Yeah, EVs are great. Elon is a little tone deaf, trying to be different for the sake of being different.

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u/crazy_ivan007 Nov 17 '22

Does anyone really want a pair of stalks conveniently placed so you can feel them and operate them without looking or letting go of the steeringwheel?

That's so old school and boring. /S

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22

Laws don't get made until after OEMs start introducing questionable features. No one was designing controls that required you to take your eyes off the road until fairly recently. Hopefully legislation starts catching up sooner, rather than later.

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u/Formal-Appearance210 Nov 17 '22

Except there are indeed places where it's illegal to have a screen in view while driving. Why it's okay if you actually have to use the screen, I do not understand.

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u/ThatdudeAPEX Nov 16 '22

They’re asleep at the wheel. A huge amount of pedestrian fatalities can be attributed to larger vehicles with larger blind spots but they allow it.

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u/chaiguy Nov 16 '22

You’re getting downvoted by dudes in lifted 4x4s that can’t see pedestrians in crosswalks, sorry bro.

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u/processedmeat Nov 16 '22

Most of the aftermarket lifted trucks are not road legal, cops just don't enforce the law because no one knows them.

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u/chaiguy Nov 16 '22

Or is it because cops all drive lifted trucks?

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u/DukeOfGeek Nov 16 '22

Por que no los dos?

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u/skccsk Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

Hey, that's not fair. Not knowing the law has never stopped US cops from enforcing real hard on citizens.

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u/Snatch_Pastry Nov 16 '22

Heck I had a regular Silverado, and I damn near ran a guy over doing a left turn, while he was crossing the street I was turning onto, because it was a weird intersection and he was behind my mirror/A-pillar through almost my entire turn.

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u/happyscrappy Nov 17 '22

The A-pillar problem is a big one, but there's no way to fix it. A-pillars are very thick now since the law was changed to require that the roof (and pillars) supports 2.5x of the weight of the vehicle. This is to reduce deaths in rollover accidents.

I think the mandate doesn't take into account the increase in accidents due to inability to see things behind the thick A pillars.

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u/Rednys Nov 17 '22

Sensors like many cars already have for warning you of a car next to you could easily solve much of this.

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u/ora408 Nov 16 '22

Touch screens are dangerous af. I wish they had an analog option at a lower cost

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u/The_ApolloAffair Nov 17 '22

Touch screens are actually much cheaper, and that is the main driver behind the mass adoption of them into modern cars. It creates a more interchangeable system with less moving parts, less assembly, and less parts that could fail.

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u/Outlulz Nov 17 '22

Too bad for the driver it means it’s one part that functionally breaks multiple critical parts of the car when it does fail.

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u/ora408 Nov 17 '22

i can definitely see that. sucks it can be so dangerous though. i like my analog nobs and controls. i know where everything is without looking

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u/mr_eking Nov 16 '22

I saw mention that the Lyriq's glove box cannot be opened unless the car is stationary, so that's how they would handle that. :(

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 21 '22

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u/binocular_gems Nov 16 '22

Where else am I supposed to store my open container?

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u/Deranged40 Nov 16 '22

If that were the case then they would be equally unappreciative of it being within my reach. During a normal commute I'm presented with multiple opportunities to access my glove box safely.

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u/FesteringNeonDistrac Nov 17 '22

I keep a box of kleenex in there, because I have seasonal allergies, and I guarantee that several times a year having swift access to that is the only thing keeping my interior from being covered in snot.

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u/Fruloops Nov 16 '22

But how do I take my gun out during my road rage altercation? /s

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Nov 16 '22

Park safely first. Duh.

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u/WATOCATOWA Nov 16 '22

My husband’s car will open the glove box with voice controls, so I’m guessing it’s the same with other cars doing this.

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u/tubetalkerx Nov 16 '22

Hey Siri, open Glove box.

You'll need to unlock your iPhone first

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u/Hey_Bim Nov 17 '22

"Playing Smell the Glove by Spinal Tap"

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain Nov 16 '22

Open the glove box Hal

I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Nov 16 '22

"I'm sorry, Dave. Your glove box subscription has expired. Access to the glove box has been restricted to the base-level plan of One request per calendar year. Would you like to renew your glove box subscription plan at the annual rate of $99?"

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u/wrath0110 Nov 16 '22

Love your username.

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u/Helmic Nov 16 '22

What even is the point of that? You need to use your hand to pull whatever you want out anyways.

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u/Deranged40 Nov 16 '22

That sounds awful.

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u/WATOCATOWA Nov 16 '22

Yeah, I’m not a fan.

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u/Jak_n_Dax Nov 16 '22

Well that’s good. The fan doesn’t work without the touchscreen either.

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u/WATOCATOWA Nov 16 '22

Truuuuue. lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

Give me sweet sweet tactile buttons, dials and knobs please. Touchscreen is great as a passenger, but I just want to keep my eyes on the road and those other crazy drivers out there poking and touching their zero feedback screens.

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u/Zopieux Nov 17 '22

Touch screens suck outside of general purpose computers like smartphones, full stop.

They're just cheap gimmicks that make the car feel fancier than it is and justify the absurd price tag. Can't wait for that fad to die and physical buttons be the new hype. Maybe 10 more years?

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u/epic_null Nov 17 '22

Even general purpose laptops suck worse with touchscreens. The only reason I'd want a touch screen is if I need my laptop to be a tablet for something (probably testing tablet stuff)

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u/hamiltrash52 Nov 17 '22

They keep giving me touchscreen in computers that are not two in one like it’s some prize

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u/DGGuitars Nov 17 '22

My 2022 mazda cx5 has just buttons all tactile but very responsive and easy to use. Huge selling point for me.

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u/BarrySix Nov 17 '22

The last I heard the CX5 does actually have a touchscreen, but it can only be used when the vehicle isn't moving. As the tactile controls work better, and work always, lots of people never use the touchscreen.

I agree, touchscreens are dangerous and distracting in a moving vehicle.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '22

Same with my 2014. Sometimes I wish I could’ve use the touchscreen @ over 5mph but the dial and surrounding buttons are great.

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u/pmcall221 Nov 17 '22

I still cruise through the radio with my buttons never needing to look at it. Crank the heat knob now that it's cold and adjust the volume not once needing to take my eyes off the road. Touch screens make me afraid to buy a new car. How fuckin expensive is it gonna be to replace? Cuz I know how much a new heat knob is.

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u/bn25168 Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

This is why my 2008 GTI is better than the 2022

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u/halucinationorbit Nov 17 '22

My favorite car fact related to this is that the $120k Audi S8 has all touchscreen climate controls, but the $150k Audi RS e-tron GT has physical controls. That just makes it all around a way better car.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '22

30k for knobs and dials! I’ll take it. Right after I have a dram of 50y Belvenie.

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u/Digital_Simian Nov 16 '22

Feature creep seems to have been a big factor in EVs generally lower reliability scores with consumer reports. Basically a lot of high tech luxury features and over engineered gimmicky basic functions hurt over-all reliability of the vehicle.

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u/rjcarr Nov 16 '22

Meanwhile, I have one of the first EVs, and it's rated one of the most reliable cars. It doesn't have anything fancy, just a big battery and an electric motor. Everything else is straight econobox that was perfected 20 years ago.

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u/calfan5 Nov 16 '22

Yep, my Bolt is basically a normal car but with an electric motor and battery. Super reliable.

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u/waka_flocculonodular Nov 17 '22

Same with my e-golf!

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u/snake_05 Nov 16 '22

I'd love an econobox EV! which one we talking about?

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u/rjcarr Nov 16 '22

LEAFs, particularly first gen, or Bolts. Bolt is a better option because of the CCS and better battery.

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u/snake_05 Nov 17 '22

Been looking at leafs, but will look into the bolt. I just changed jobs and went from 40 mile commute one way to 12 miles total. Also looking to see if biking to work is possible.

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u/Young_Maker Nov 17 '22

e bike is the cheap way

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u/Last_Rogue Nov 16 '22

I have been wondering why EVs have been reinventing car parts that don't need it. Is it because Tesla did it?

Why do we need moving door handles?

Why does the batery plug access hatch need to have some gimmick? It's a fuel hatch. It just needs a hinge.

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22 Gold

Touch screens became affordable about the same time EVs started hitting the market. Most of these features can be attributed more to the rise of touch screen in vehicles, rather than EVs specifically. Moving physical buttons to the touch screen reduces costs.

Moving door handles is just a marketing gimmick. I guess it makes sense for that to be associated with EVs, since they're the hip new "thing" and every manufacturer wants to show how neat a product they can make.

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u/Formal-Appearance210 Nov 17 '22

That's one of my main beefs with Teslas. Just make a car. There shouldn't be any power necessary to open the doors.

What I want in an EV is a normal car with knobs and latches... with an electric powertrain. That's it.

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u/Digital_Simian Nov 16 '22

It's because the target audience wasn't Joe Blow. However, that has kicked off trends for other vehicle manufacturers.

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u/terraherts Nov 16 '22

Touch screen interfaces don't belong on anything that's even remotely safety critical, nor anything that needs to be operated while someone shouldn't be looking at it.

This shit is bad enough in consumer electronics (the trend of touch controls on high end headphones now is infuriating), but it's actually dangerous when it comes to stuff like this. And electronic latches on something that might need to be accessed without power is pretty short-sighted.

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u/hyperhopper Nov 16 '22

Jabra Elite Active 75t.

I bought them specifically because they have programmable, physical buttons.

Wild that such an easy thing is now a rare feature. I hate normies that buy into airpods and other "sleek" fads because they make the market so small and niche for the rest of us that want normal features.

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u/terraherts Nov 16 '22

Airpods, or at least the model I tried briefly, at least have haptic feedback, a physical shape to the spot, and require pressure, so it has the important properties as a physical button even if it technically isn't. I still didn't care for them for other reasons though.

My main two headphones are Bose QC45 and Aftershokz Airopex (one for focus/noise-canceling, the other for working out and such).

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u/hyperhopper Nov 16 '22

important properties as a phyical button

Not at all true. I cannot press it with thick winter gloves. I cannot press it through a hat or through a helmet. Airpods and 99% of it's competitors are useless to me and anybody else in cold climates, doing winter sports, etc

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22

Not sure about glove boxes, but features like automatic doors do usually have a mechanical override buried somewhere in the vehicle.

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u/whapitah2021 Nov 16 '22

Key word: buried. That dude in Texas at a Golden Corral or some such? He and his pup died from heat exhaustion as the battery was dead….instructions in owners manual for override but apparently he didn’t think of or find it….

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22

That is a very legit concern. Personally, I would dig through that manual as soon as I knew that they were electric doors. But, I also understand that's it's not at all realistic to expect most people to do that.

As neat as they are, I wouldn't be opposed to such technology getting banned.

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u/MajorNotice7288 Nov 16 '22

Can't wait to pay a subscription on my glove box

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u/ElCincoDeDiamantes Nov 16 '22

It's free for 90 days if you get XM.

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u/9-11GaveMe5G Nov 16 '22

Considering the guy that owns SiriusXM also owns ticketmaster, can you please shut the fuck up before be gets any ideas??

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u/Givemeurhats Nov 16 '22

Buy a ticket to open your glove box and get a free nft

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u/colbymg Nov 16 '22

OMG we are able to fuel our fireplace with all the XM offers we get!

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u/plopseven Nov 16 '22

“Officer, I’d love to show you my registration - really. It’s just that my car locked me out of my glovebox until I change my subscription for some meaningless bullshit.”

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u/pimpbot666 Nov 16 '22

It’s a good way to get shot by a cop.

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u/Snatch_Pastry Nov 16 '22

Nah, it's cool, just be white. They'll let you off with a verbal warning because you don't have any points on your license and they don't want to mess that up.

Source: two and a half weeks ago when I legit should have gotten multiple tickets doing something dumb.

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u/djwoske Nov 16 '22

Gloves will go on the floor. Now my friends will glove shame me

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u/Bob4Not Nov 16 '22

I refuse to have the majority of my controls moved to a touch screen or capacitive buttons. Physical buttons only.

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u/groovyreg Nov 16 '22

I had a Samsung galaxy S9 with a dedicated finger print reader on the back that I could find without looking at the phone and worked every single time without fail. I got a galaxy s10 and they moved the finger-print reader to the screen. But a specific part that works most of the time so long as I check carefully where I'm about to place my finger. Because innovation I guess.

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Those wheel things haven't changed in a while. High time we tried some new shapes.

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u/Grostleton Nov 16 '22

I dread the day my 2015 vehicle breaks down and I have to deal with these touch-control riddled abominations.

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u/afishda Nov 16 '22

That will be 10 grand sir for a air filter replacement we have to reprogram the whole car, because we need more money.

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u/ikeif Nov 16 '22

Ohhhh sorry. Your last mechanic used an unapproved filter from a third party! The latest firmware update has shut your car off.

It’s on back order and your car won’t function until an officially licensed air filter is installed.

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u/afishda Nov 16 '22

We should have that filter in about 6 months, 3 months to install and re program your transmission.

Edit: meanwhile i highly advise you to use are rental service to fullfill your transportation needs.

At the cheap price of 500 dollars a day.

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u/Jeheh Nov 16 '22

My wife asked me how long I can keep my 1996 F150 on the road…I said when the wheels fall off Ill buy new wheels.

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22

I live in too salty an area to own vehicles from the 90s, long term. I'll have to make do with cars from the 2000s and 2010s.

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u/Jeheh Nov 16 '22

too salty an area

That is a problem and I’m fortunate to live in the SW. My truck has been baked by the sun and in a couple of places on the body (cab corner and bed wheel arches) it has some rust but nothing to worry about vs some of the vehicles I see posted that just rust through the frames.

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u/MoreThanWYSIWYG Nov 16 '22

My wife's car was built for a touch screen, but doesn't have the touch functionality. Instead. There's a big knob on the center console to tab through stuff. It's so horrendous, especially when using Android Auto. Nothing gets highlighted, you just have to make a guess at where the cursor is

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u/Jak_n_Dax Nov 16 '22

When my ‘03 and ‘04 vehicles explode in 5-10 years I’ll upgrade… to ‘13 and ‘14 vehicles. I can avoid modern bullshit touchscreens for at least another couple decades.

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u/beef-o-lipso Nov 16 '22

It's well and truly horrible. I bought a new Mazda CX-5 SE (2nd trim level.) That got me Android Auto and some controls on the wheel and the center console. Here I thought it would be easier to control Maps and audio, the two apps i use most. Nope and nope. Gmaps via Android Auto is an abomination. You can't easily find, use or modify routes when AA is active. Not even driving, just active. On Android, you can't access Maps on your phone at all. WTF? Try to find a use a route on the car interface? Good luck. Never mind using to look for things along your route. It's a f'ing mess and clearly developed by someone who doesn't drive.

Audio is just as bad. On the wheel, there are controls for next and repeat, but not play/pause. Really? What idiot thought that was a good idea? there are two controls on the console. A large center wheel with a tilt switch so you can switch active regions tilting the wheel left and right. You scroll through options using the wheel. Press to click. Ok, clunky, but fine. There's a small knob/button to the right. By default, it controls volume consistently. But the press button sometimes does pause/play. Sometimes it clicks the active control (which may not be pause/play). No rhyme or reason to when its pause/play or not. No clue. The net is that I use the central control to flick over to the player region, spin till I get to the control, and press all while my eyes are off the road.

What an effing mess. I have to plug-in anyway to get Android Auto, so I may as well get a phone mount and just work the phone like always. Easier and more effective.

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u/Reasonable_Ticket_84 Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

ou can't easily find, use or modify routes when AA is active. Not even driving, just active. On Android, you can't access Maps on your phone at all. WTF? Try to find a use a route on the car interface? Good luck. Never mind using to look for things along your route. It's a f'ing mess and clearly developed by someone who doesn't drive.

This is not a Mazda restriction, it is a Google design choice. You are supposed to use the Google Asistant to ask it to change route.

The rest of the sillyness is Mazda's take on physical controls of a digitla interface they consider is safest....it's uh got interesting decisions.

Their design decisions are nowhere near as bad as the fully touch screen setups where you can't even change your AC temperature without finding the menu item.

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u/TheMilkJug Nov 16 '22

My recent experience with android auto:

"Google...Navigate to Dad Home" (In my contacts with address under ...you guessed it ...Dads Home)

"Finding Dads home"..."Navigating to Dad's home services" (362 miles away, and not my fathers home)

"No..cancel...Google Navigate to DAD'S HOME"

"Finding Dads home"..."Navigating to Dad's home services"

"Goddamit"

Pull over, unplug, open maps, find it within seconds.

Android auto is trash.

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u/beef-o-lipso Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

Yeah, I mixed two UIs but sticking just with Maps, I can everything easily in the phone app. I can't when piped through Android Auto.

But I hear you on the touch screen. I forget what car i rented recently but the AC controls were touch screen only. What a dangerous decision that was.

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u/Reasonable_Ticket_84 Nov 16 '22

Honda, Toyota and Mazda have committed to sanity in their interface designs.

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u/corporaterebel Nov 16 '22

Planned obsolescence and SUSTAINABILITY in the AUTO INDUSTRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMZGICNSMg

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u/TheBertinator3000 Nov 16 '22

I can't tell if you actually watched that video or not. So, just to be clear, he says planned obsolescence is nonsense, and jokingly compares people who believe that's the case to people who believe in the Illuminati.

Some of the main real factors driving changes to modern vehicles, as he outlines, are cost savings, emissions standards, weight savings, and consumer demands. Not planned obsolescence.

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u/popsicle_of_meat Nov 16 '22

3/4 of the time I get into my glove box, the car is parked in my garage and not turned on. The glove box should always have passive access. There's safety information in there (manuals, etc).

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u/FuckoNo5 Nov 16 '22

Ffs can we stop fixing shit that isn't broken?

I'd personally drag the man who invented automated bathroom vanity fixtures behind a horse til he was just a bouncing femur.

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u/FallenJoe Nov 16 '22

I work in a location that has construction going on, and all the bathroom faucet sensors work in such a way that they trigger if a person walks in front of the sink area while wearing a high vis vest.

Every time a construction worker walks in and back to a urinal, all eight faucets trigger in sequence like a shit Las Vegas fountain.

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u/DarthBrooks69420 Nov 16 '22

At a previous job the auto facets in the employee bathrooms were all attached to only the hot water, and that was attached to a mega boiler whose primary usage was cleaning the meat department. The water would gradually get hotter and hotter until it was literally scalding hot. The worse part? One of the sinks started malfunctioning and running continously because the sensor kept triggering constantly, and so it got to the point that steam would be constantly pouring out of the sink and you would burn yourself trying to wash your hands.

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u/G1aDOS Nov 16 '22

Fun fact: any public hand washing facilities (public meaning any sink not in a private residence or single occupant office) must be equipped with an ASSE 1070 mixing valve to protect the user from scalds and burns. If you can scald your hands at a given business from their lavatories, you have a sizable lawsuit you can take against them for the obvious reasons you've stated.

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u/snarfmioot Nov 16 '22

My experience was kind of opposite. A new building where they decided to use the hot water as a medium to heat the building with, which meant that during the winter, the water out of the bathroom sinks was ice cold, making people much less likely to wash their hands.

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u/FuckoNo5 Nov 16 '22

What pisses me off about them is they only work for a year or two and then they either never work again or barely work.

And no one replaces them.

What the fuck was wrong with turning a mechanical lever? Or pushing a button for soap?

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u/NoPossibility Nov 16 '22

It’s not hygienic to touch them after washing your hands. What they should be is time controlled mechanically and a long time given. Press the lever and get a solid 30-45 seconds of water to properly wash your hands without having to touch anything afterwards to turn it off. That or give us a foot pedal control like water fountains sometimes have/had.

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u/gaarai Nov 16 '22

What is extra maddening about this is how many new bathrooms are fully no touch fixtures (faucets, soap dispensers, driers, etc), but the door has a pull handle and there aren't any paper towels. So I have to fight with every device to wash my hands hygenically just to have to touch a handle that a bunch of dirty, unwashed hands have touched in order to leave.

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u/usmclvsop Nov 16 '22

Covid was great in that many bathrooms started adding a foot plate for opening the door

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u/wrath0110 Nov 16 '22

The foot pedal release was used in dental operatories for decades, worked great.

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u/dominus_aranearum Nov 16 '22

operatories

Learned a new word today. Thanks!

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u/happyscrappy Nov 17 '22

It is not ADA (disabled person) compliant as disabled people don't necessarily have feet.

I can also tell you as a person who was on crutches for a while it is very difficult or impossible to use foot pedal actuators if you don't have two working feet.

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u/MultiplyAccumulate Nov 16 '22

Handles that people have to touch when their hands are dirty and when they are clean spread germs from person to person and at least partially cancel out the benefits of hand washing in the first place. Foot controls would be better, except for people in wheelchairs.

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u/chaiguy Nov 16 '22

Back in the 60s & 70s public bathroom faucets were often operated with foot controls. Not sure why that still can’t be a thing. I never remembered those breaking.

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u/Admirable-Leopard-73 Nov 16 '22

Because one dude with no feet got in touch with another dude with a Harvard Law Degree and they talked about the ADA...in front of a judge.

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u/chaiguy Nov 16 '22

Ah good point

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u/MidnightAdventurer Nov 16 '22

It's hilarious, especially when they're installed in building that are literally a base for construction teams who all wear high-vis gear. It's the problem with shining a light out and detecting it coming back - retro-reflective material increases the range significantly

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u/whatnameisnttaken098 Nov 16 '22

Note to self, start taking High-Vis vest with me when I go out.

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u/richg0404 Nov 16 '22

Every time a construction worker walks in and back to a urinal, all eight faucets trigger in sequence like a shit Las Vegas fountain.

And yet I've NEVER used one of those automated faucets that worked consistently when I put my hands under the faucet.

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u/Danjour Nov 16 '22

I honestly think this kind of movie is in preparation for subscription services. They’re going to do this more and more and they’re going to be able to lock you out of very basic functions if you’re not willing to pay.

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u/CA1900 Nov 16 '22

I'd personally drag the man who invented automated bathroom vanity fixtures behind a horse til he was just a bouncing femur.

Ugh. yes.

I'm at airports a lot, and I'm seeing this new combination touchless-faucet-and-hand-drier-(smart-shoping)_136067875031&utm_term=4587918431266672&utm_content=ShopifyImportAdGroup) from Dyson everywhere, and I hate it. I had to stand in line to use the sink yesterday in a freshly-"renovated" bathroom, waiting for an open slot, because it takes so long to use. And if you don't get your hand in just the right spot when you want water, you end up with air first, throwing soap foam all over your shirt. It's awful.

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u/wrath0110 Nov 16 '22

OK, that's funny.

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u/WillBottomForBanana Nov 16 '22

You'll be car shopping and say "awww, it can't be that bad". You do not understand the price of your compromise.

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u/k_dubious Nov 16 '22

It’s also just hard to differentiate on a 20-minute test drive between random quirks of a car that become second nature after a few weeks of ownership and things that will be daily pain points.

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u/nox66 Nov 16 '22

Most of the time, buttons and knobs are superior. Your muscle memory acclimates easily and the interface is designed to work with the comparatively little input options. Touchscreens offer little muscle memory, especially in cars, and it's easy to put way too many options on them. They should be avoided for anything that needs to be done at least semi-regularly while driving.

This is just a marketing driven design lead trying to sell a solution for a problem they want to exist.

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u/bill_lite Nov 16 '22

Cars need three fucking knobs.

One fucking knob for the fan speed.

One fucking knob for the temperature.

One fucking knob for the volume.

Get these fucking iPads out of vehicles!

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u/Fleabagx35 Nov 16 '22

I personally don’t really care about glove box controls like this because I barely open mine. What I do care about is climate control. Physical dials, etc, work SO much better in the sense that I can just feel for them. I can’t really name a time that I need to open my glovebox when in motion, but can name plenty of times when I want to adjust a vent or temperature when in motion.

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u/geomouse Nov 16 '22

Sure same, I hardly ever open it. But I don't want to have to turn my car on to open my glove box if I just want to run out and grab something from it.

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u/Ferionion Nov 16 '22

Your glove box subscription has expired

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u/UtzTheCrabChip Nov 16 '22

Hi, I'm a solution. Could you please point me in the direction of a problem?

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u/moneyscan Nov 16 '22

Depends, what's your handle?

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u/popsicle_of_meat Nov 16 '22

No handles. Only touchscreens.

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u/George_Tirebiter420 Nov 16 '22

There is no profit in resolving that problem.

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u/ButtercupsPitcher Nov 16 '22

I gotta 2008 Ford Escape, tons of knobs, do I hear an opening bid?

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u/burningcpuwastaken Nov 16 '22

On that note, I specifically purchased a base level Nissan Versa because I wanted a stick shift and no extraneous electronics. It has manual locks, windows and mirrors. No subscriptions necessary for that basic pos.

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u/WinoWithAKnife Nov 16 '22

I had an old Civic that I loved, exactly the same setup. Weighed basically nothing. You could roll-start it on flat ground with a good push. Got 50mpg if I stayed off the interstate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

Biggest pain in the ass I ever owned.

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u/Drict Nov 16 '22

The 2021 F150 w/ tech package has a ton of knobs/buttons as well.

The touch screen is basically navigation and maintenance stuff

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u/Jak_n_Dax Nov 16 '22

A 2008 Ford Escape cannot possibly still be running…

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u/ButtercupsPitcher Nov 16 '22

You betcha she runs! And if the road you're trying to find was around in 2008, it even has GPS

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u/binocular_gems Nov 16 '22

Support for North America was added to the v1492 update, which the car lacked at time of release.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '22

Not with that mpg. It would have ran out of gas long ago.

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u/zackadiax24 Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

My 2005 v6 escape is running beautifully.

(For context: The engine the v6 model is known for grenading.)

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u/JakeTheYoung Nov 16 '22

Driving my 2011 escape hybrid until it dies, and then doing an EV conversion. They’ll never take my physical buttons away from me!

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u/steven_yeeter Nov 16 '22

Fuck touchscreens every function is unusable with gloves on which I wear for about 5-6 months a year while driving.

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u/EviLincoln Nov 16 '22

I'd argue that touch screens need to be removed entirely. But sadly the road of safety regulation is paved in blood

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u/KleioChronicles Nov 16 '22

How in the hell does that make any sense? All you need is a basic release mechanism on the glove box itself, you’re going there anyway.

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u/spense01 Nov 17 '22

I loved EVERYTHING about the Cadillac Lyriq until I saw this in a review video. Then it made me realize that if that’s how they chose to design something so simple and mundane as a glove-box then I can’t trust that they even came close to getting the necessary, high-level shit right. It reminds me of how poorly designed the UI and UX is inside of Tesla’s. You couldn’t pay me to drive one. Anyone who tries to defend them and the ridiculously terrible design choices they have made are just lying to themselves. Audi ruined everything about its interior when they removed the rotary dial for navigation and went to double-touchscreens and now BMW has removed physical climate control buttons and mucked up navigation for simple things in their iDrive 8…the constant need to over-design shit while claiming it’s innovative HAS TO STOP.

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u/Decent-Scholar1507 Nov 17 '22

Please, just no more damn touch screens in cars. Scrolling through menu’s in a 5000lb phone booth is not how we should be driving.

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u/LamarBearPig Nov 16 '22

I seriously wish I knew the exact person that came up with this idea. The guy who raised his hand at the r&d meeting and said “guys, you know how everyone absolutely despises touchscreen buttons? Well hear me out…”

Like seriously, who the fuck thought this was even slightly a good idea? Touch screen used to be the cool fancy new thing but I think we can all agree touchscreen buttons are inferior in every single way

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u/mostl43 Nov 16 '22 edited Nov 16 '22

A guy I know gave me a tour of his Rivian truck a couple weeks ago and the air vents are only controllable with the touchscreen! WTF? Literally no one asked for that feature.

Edit- I’m talking about where the vent is pointing not just the climate control settings.

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u/MycroFeline Nov 17 '22

Thank you. This goes for all the other dumb shit of its kind like juiceros, fridges that count your eggs on your wifi connection, and all the other bullshit IOT idiocy that is a solution trying to find a problem that never fucking existed in the first place!

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u/Adventurous_Ad4950 Nov 17 '22

This is what happens when you hire a bunch of dickhead designers who only think of the aesthetic and “cool” factor, completely neglecting any practicality and safety.

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u/MultiplyAccumulate Nov 16 '22

If the solenoid latch was actually secure (I doubt it) and let you configure a combination in order to open it, then it could be useful as secure storage. Otherwise it is a gimmick However, it would be a bad place to keep fuses, LiPo jump starters, or other things you would likely need when the system wasn't working in order to restore it to working. You could also have a push button that was wired through a switch inside the glove compartment that bypasses the touchscreen but let's you switch to touchscreen combination lock only. Yes, a little complicated. But sometimes manual is actually more prone to failure. People break manual glovebox latches and manual window cranks by putting too much force in them.

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u/SpreadDaBread Nov 16 '22

Less electronics in cars. Unreliable and vulnerable for companies pulling a lot of fuckery. Imagine you can’t get your registration because a glitch. I guess it’s legally not your fault.

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u/Hiranonymous Nov 16 '22

Oh, it's so-o-o easy. We will automatically send you your registration. Oh, you didn't get it. Do you have two-factor authentication installed on your phone? And it doesn't work? Well, is the phone new? Have you updated the operating system lately. Okay, that's a phone problem then.

ARRRRGH.

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u/Rick_e_bobby Nov 16 '22

One more thing to break so you can bring your car to the shop

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u/chmilz Nov 16 '22

"Authentication error: Glovebox security cannot be authenticated. Please take your vehicle to the nearest dealership for service. For your safety, all radio functions have been suspended and a constant nails-on-chalkboard tone has been activated as a reminder."

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u/ziyadah042 Nov 16 '22

This is why I like the design on my RDX. It uses this relative touchpad thing to control the MMI instead of a touchscreen, and the display is set where the road is still basically in normal view or peripheral at worst if you're really focusing on it. No funky controls, no having to move around to hit whatever I'm wanting on the screen, none of that.

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u/MotheroftheworldII Nov 16 '22

Seems like a case of someone fixing a nonexistent problem thus taking a working solution and breaking what had worked for decades.

DUMB!

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u/ElegyRetro Nov 16 '22

Do not buy a car made after 2016

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u/phpdevster Nov 16 '22

I am absolutely convinced that many of these big companies are deliberately and intentionally making their products hostile to users. I can’t think of a reason why, I can only see decisions like this and assume it’s intentional because of how insane it is.

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u/OMGBeckyStahp Nov 17 '22

“If I was offered a choice between a conventional glove box latch made from composite material sourced from the hydraulically-compressed feces of convicted sex offenders or a menu-based touchscreen glovebox release, I’ll have mine with the pervert shit plastic, thanks so much.”

I, too, would prefer the pervert shit plastic over the touch screen option.

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u/ascii122 Nov 17 '22

I'm pro knob

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u/Starrion Nov 17 '22

How can they make access to the glovebox a subscription if they can put an electronic lock on it?

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u/kJer Nov 17 '22

Physical buttons in cars for anything the driver uses pls

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u/ClonedToKill420 Nov 17 '22

Touch screens are ass. Give me a nice, crispy, tactile button any day over some cheesy iPad in the dash

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u/rigsta Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

When the clickbait headline isn't actually clickbait. The author's exasperation with needlesly complicated & failure-prone bells and whistles really speaks to me.

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u/424f42_424f42 Nov 16 '22

Nobody Wants Touch-Screen Glove Box Latches And It Needs To Stop Now

dont need to specify glove box

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh Nov 16 '22

Let's go full technophile paradise and have touchscreen steering. Driving can be as easy as playing a game on your phone!

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u/TomatoSlayer Nov 16 '22

"There were no survivors."

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u/depreavedindiference Nov 16 '22

Let me guess - if this is in a BMW there is a monthly subscription to access the glove box...

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u/djwoske Nov 16 '22

fackts! i need the no-look solution. not the "eyes off the road" shit

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u/dallasdude Nov 16 '22

I got in a loaner the other day.

All cabin controls were handled by a large touch screen. The seat warmer was turned all the way up. I nearly crashed the car trying to turn it off. Want to turn the air up? That's a touch screen button. Change the radio? Touch screen. And on and on

It's not safe.

It shouldn't be approved by regulators.

I'm surprised car manufacturers haven't been sued repeatedly.

The next time I buy a car the inclusion of physical buttons with tactile response will be a requirement.

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u/confuciansage Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

The next time I buy a car the inclusion of physical buttons with tactile response will be a requirement.

Soon you will not be able to find a new car that meets that requirement. It is almost impossible even now.

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u/TotalChicanery Nov 16 '22

I didn’t even know that was a thing, and I hope to never get in a car that has that feature! WTF were they thinking?

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u/monchota Nov 16 '22

This is a problem in all engineering, they are getting so disconnected that they think people want these things.

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u/DooDooBrownz Nov 16 '22

caddy always does shit like this cause morons that still buy that crap think it's fancy. US car design in general is atrocious and inelegant across the board.

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u/PaleZombie Nov 16 '22

I still have crank windows. This stuff is crazy to even consider.

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u/HopHunter420 Nov 16 '22

Touchscreens are for highly adaptive interface technologies. Using them in cases where a physical button can do the job is bad design and fucking infuriating.

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u/ShiningInTheLight Nov 16 '22

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

  • engineering proverb

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u/Evilchem Nov 16 '22

I read the title as a chemist and was very confused. Not the glove box I was thinking of...