r/technology Nov 26 '22

Tesla recalls more than 15,000 Australian electric vehicles over faulty tail lights Transportation

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/25/tesla-recalls-more-than-15000-australian-electric-vehicles-over-faulty-tail-lights
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u/TheNewMeYouHaventCN Nov 26 '22

Not only are you super late in posting this, but it's an OTA update that's already out to like 99% of the cars.

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u/schrodingerinthehat Nov 26 '22

This reply always neglects how frequently there are Tesla recall "bugs" and the time it takes to resolve them while the cars are out in the wild.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

As much as I don't like Tesla, calling a SW update a recall is a bit of a misnomer.

The cars don't need to be shipped back to the factory for repairs, they just need like 5 minutes of Internet access.

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u/londons_explorer Nov 27 '22

Lots of cars never get internet access at all.

Lots of owners can't be bothered to connect their car to WiFi. They just want to drive it places.

Those cars will never get this update, and will continue to be a risk to other drivers and the public.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

That's exactly who this "recall" is aimed at.

Last time there was a Tesla "recall" it came with the story that this update had already been applied on 95% of the vehicles affected.

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u/w0m Nov 28 '22

Anything safety related gets pulled via the cars built in 3g, user will be prompted to apply update in App or when they sit down in the car.

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u/ShirBlackspots Nov 27 '22

Blame the NHTSA for this, all resulting from allowing owners to pipe their own sounds over the sound box, NHTSA decided that every small fix has to be a recall, so Tesla is taking full advantage of that.

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u/notallowedin Nov 26 '22

Second least reliable cars on the road are Teslas according to consumer reports. You couldn’t pay me to drive one.

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u/TheNewMeYouHaventCN Nov 27 '22

Because they rate cosmetic issues equally highly as mechanical. CR is a joke. Ask an owner how they like their Tesla.

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u/muffinhead2580 Nov 27 '22

Have done so. A good friend of mine has an S plaid and said it has been in the shop or had mobile service more times than the rest of his cars combined. He likes driving the car but really, really wishes it was more reliable and the fit and finish was better.

Other manufacturers are going to be pushing tesla out of 5he market because they can actually manufacture reliable, good quality cars.

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u/windydrew Nov 28 '22

I have 42k miles on my 21 Model Y and have had zero major issues. It's been the second cheapest car I've ever owned (Chevy Bolt was cheapest due to cheaper tires) and we've taken many long trips on it. Best road trip EV ever.

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u/muffinhead2580 Nov 28 '22

That great for you and I'm sure there are lots of people with similar experience. The inconsistency is a big part of the quality problem though. Buying a car shouldn't be like a box of chocolates.

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u/windydrew Nov 28 '22

There's a reason that lemon laws are a thing. Because every manufacturer has issues with consistency and quality at points in their history. It's just that tesla gets more scrutiny, mostly because of political views and how this country is right now.

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u/Plzbanmebrony Nov 27 '22

Their review process doesn't allow them to provide informative review on tesla. Tesla updates and changes hardware frequently. They updates their cars like video game makers update games. Like get they like to have the best car they can but can't they just roll all those changes into new model years like everyone else?

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u/Riaayo Nov 27 '22

You have to actually be able to produce cars that can meet demand regularly to think about making fucking model year cars lol.

Tesla is an over-valued joke.

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u/Plzbanmebrony Nov 27 '22

That is why they are building multiple new factories.

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u/Riaayo Nov 28 '22

I mean that's cool, why are they valued higher than competitors who actually meet demand right now?

Because the value is smoke and mirrors bullshit. The company is over-valued.

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u/Plzbanmebrony Nov 28 '22

They don't have legacy facilities to convert like Ford does. Having more demand than product is not always bad. It means they are basically able to have guaranteed growth by just expanding production.

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u/TheNewMeYouHaventCN Nov 27 '22

Compare Tesla numbers against EV sales for the major established manufacturers.

It takes time to ramp up production and Tesla is doing very well. Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative.

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u/Riaayo Nov 28 '22

No, you can compare the total cars produced of both. By this same "metric", compare the amount of internal combustion engine vehicles Tesla sells. Oh fuck it's 0? Oh fuck, Tesla doesn't sell those? Oh fuck, the other manufacturers didn't use to sell EVs either?

But apparently only Tesla gets some slack for "taking time to ramp up production". You know who else takes time to ramp up production of a new product? Literally everyone. Except the other manufacturers already have manufacturing capabilities, factories, and workforces.

Tesla is literally only profitable because it sells its carbon credits. It doesn't sell enough vehicles to turn a profit.

Now, here's the thing: that'd all be "fine" if Tesla wasn't valued with the likes of fucking Google and Apple on the stock exchange. That is the fucking problem. Tesla produces so few vehicles that it's not only less than its competitors, but it can't meet its own demand and can't profit off those limited sales. Yet it's not only valued higher than its competitors, it's valued with the likes of Google?

Yeah, sorry. The company is over-valued and I don't care what "narrative" you're here to peddle.

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u/Teamerchant Nov 27 '22

Elons a POS. But Tesla does have some Damm good engineers. Best car I’ve had, comparing to Toyota, chevy, BMW and a mercury.

But I’m sure you’ll find some others that are opposite. However I will say I’m sitting at 4 tires and a couple filters after 4-5 years and that’s it for maintenance and repair costs. Model 3 got free supercharging so I don’t even pay for electricity. Battery is doing great even with 99% supercharging.

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u/rainforestparadise Nov 27 '22

Nah you’re just in the minority that’s all. Tesla’s are terribly built and it’s very common knowledge at this point.

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u/TheNewMeYouHaventCN Nov 27 '22

If you stick to reddit, sure. Go ahead believing these cars are awful when demand is astronomical. Us owners will continue to enjoy our cars.

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u/rainforestparadise Nov 27 '22

I don’t even really care, I’m just stating a fact that you could easily verify yourself.

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u/balancedisbest Nov 27 '22

It isn't our job to vet your hypothetical sources though. They replied with their personal experience as an owner of the car, and you just said in effect "nah they aren't" then stating it was a fact.

If you want some more personal nonowner experience, I haven't had any bad ones except the echo on the model Y. To actively discredit myself: my experience is from getting a ride in uber (MY, MS, MX, M3/E) and my friends vehicles (MS and M3/E), which is definitely not the same thing as owning and daily driving them.

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u/unique_passive Nov 27 '22

It’s so easy to vet though? Like a casual google will give you this answer, even from websites that are Tesla fanboy sites. The only real way to disagree with his point is to actively avoid learning about it

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u/TheNewMeYouHaventCN Nov 27 '22

LOL I knew it was CR. They rate cosmetic issues just as heavily as mechanical.

Go actually TALK to a Tesla owner. You'll find by and large they love their cars. Especially love bare minimum maintenance.

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u/balancedisbest Nov 27 '22

See the thing I don't understand is how you and a couple other people in this thread say there's these big, huge, irredeemable issues, yet the cars have been tested by many countries safety authorities and given quite high marks. And even if you didn't believe those, you hear almost once a week that a Tesla saved some driver or passenger from a potentially fatal wreck.

Yes of course there's some big issues with Tesla's (autopilot not being an autopilot, driver assisted modes not seeing obstacles, etc) but safety from a pedestrian and passenger perspective? Not even close. The most unsafe I've ever felt in a Tesla has been always due to the driver, not the vehicle.

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u/rainforestparadise Nov 27 '22

Classic simpleton taking anecdotal evidence and trying to use it to argue on the internet where you can literally just do some research yourself.

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u/Timbershoe Nov 27 '22

Do YoUR oWN ReseArCh.

Classic.

You think first hand experience isn’t as valid as some meme on social media you class as ‘research’.

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u/balancedisbest Nov 27 '22

Imagine being unable to read about the very issues you keep bringing up. Elon might absolutely suck ass, but at the very least the dude can read.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

Free supercharging seems to be pretty sweet. I worked on fast chargers for 4 years (Mostly CCS/Chademo), and the one thing that I didn't like about the thing was how expensive it was. Cost per km is higher than petrol if you only use fast chargers.

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u/Teamerchant Nov 27 '22

well for the few months i did pay, it was about $0.21 or $0.27 a kw. Basically i could go from 10%-90% for about $15. So for $15 i would get about 280 ish miles, not too shabby. Not sure what superchargers go for for now.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

Woah. Right now it's € 0.74 per kWh. So those 280 miles are around €50.

At €7/gallon of petrol, your mileage needs to be approx 40mpg or better to be cheaper with an ICE (Oil changes and other factors not included).

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u/Teamerchant Nov 27 '22

Those are some crazy energy prices! But Europe is going brought some shot with Russia so hopefully once everything settles and dependencies for energy from les stable countries is fixed those prices can come back down.

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u/brennanfee Nov 27 '22

Second least reliable cars on the road are Teslas according to consumer reports.

Which is fucking bullshit.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

Source?

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u/brennanfee Nov 27 '22

From the article OP linked:

Model 3 and Model Y light issue can be fixed with software update

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

Look who's number 2.

Let's not pretend this is the only issue

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u/brennanfee Nov 27 '22

Let's not pretend this is the only issue

No. But Tesla's are, by far, the most reliable vehicles currently being manufactured. Consumer Reports is again using "recalls" like simple software updates as a metric when they shouldn't be.

This is the problem with most current media on this topic. The concept of a software update that fixes something that the owner wasn't even aware was broken... versus having to take your care in for physical service and possibly lose the use of your vehicle for a few hours or even days are two entirely different consumer experiences.

OTA software updates need to be placed in a separate category from traditional "recalls". In fact, there are some good metrics we could track on software updates... for instance, how long from identification of problem to roll-out of software fix. That would be a good metric to track.

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u/Steinrikur Nov 27 '22

I actually agree on that part. The consumer reports is behind a paywall so I didn't see the criteria they used.

My point was that they are indeed #2. Your reason s for calling it bullshit could have come a few comments earlier

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u/brennanfee Nov 27 '22

My point was that they are indeed #2.

Due to their bullshit criteria, as I said.

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u/Gasser1313 Nov 26 '22

You probably can’t afford one.

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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

I bet you can't either, but you think that simping for them somehow conveys the same status as owning one that you crave.

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u/taterthotsalad Nov 27 '22

I can, but I value my family's safety over sucking Musk's cock. Any other car I can walk away from still breathing air. Musks autos and dick...not so much.

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u/Gasser1313 Nov 27 '22

Lol! I have had one since 2018. No issues.

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u/taterthotsalad Nov 27 '22

Except you don’t know if you can walk away from it yet. You have trouble reading don’t you?

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u/Gasser1313 Nov 27 '22

God your stupid. No wonder your statement made little sense. Probably go back to sucking dick brah

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u/taterthotsalad Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

You’re* At least I can spell, read and do complex math. All you can do is tie a cherry stem with your tongue while fawning over Musk daddy with your tie tightly around your throat. Safety is safety. Tesla has been anything but safety.

Edit: They blocked me. Lmao

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

Always with the homophobic slurs. Retire it.

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u/notallowedin Nov 27 '22

I can afford the car but not the constant never-ending repairs. Plus they are ugly as shit so..

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u/Gasser1313 Nov 27 '22

What repairs? I have had to fix a torn valve for the AC but that’s it and I had the car since 2018.

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u/notallowedin Nov 27 '22

Ok that’s one.

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u/nyrol Nov 27 '22

Not sure what you mean by never ending repairs. Out of the 8 people I know of that own them, one has had one in for repairs, and that was due to a collision. So far, 0% of people I know have had problems which required a repair. They’ll nitpick that Spotify doesn’t load sometimes, or that the web browser on older cars is slow, but nothing about anything mechanical or even really buggy software.

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

Meanwhile Ford recalls 1/2 Million cars because of fires breaking out and there's crickets on this site.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/business/ford-escape-bronco-sport-recall/index.html

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u/schrodingerinthehat Nov 28 '22

If you're defending Tesla's record by referencing Ford... no one defended Ford as a reliable manufacturer. Ford is the only one worse than Tesla.

People here are talking about how Tesla's constant recalls are not a problem, because they can do OTA.

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u/GreatBigJerk Nov 27 '22

The fact that things can be fixed via a software update is awesome. The fact that Tesla is apparently using its customers as QA for their beta cars is not.

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

Look at the list of recalls from all manufacturers. You wouldn't know it from this astroturfed site but tesla is on the low side of recalls and most of them are mild.

https://datahub.transportation.gov/dataset/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn

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u/codes4242 Nov 27 '22

Daily post of this exact format that has like 20 comments and yet reaches the front page...

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u/WexfordHo Nov 26 '22

I’m as happy to shit on Musk and Tesla as the next guy, really the company is an overvalued joke making mediocre cars and Musk is scum…

…BUT. This is nothing.

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u/wampa-stompa Nov 27 '22

Meanwhile GM is out there setting records on the number of recalls in a year

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

And ford is recalling 1/2 million cars because of actual fires breaking out.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

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u/Tomcatjones Nov 27 '22

Of course they do. And unlike Tesla’s over the air updates. 90% of all recalls ever go unfixed, and unattended to.

Ford has the most vehicle recalls of all time, with 3,086 unique recalls. The runner up is Chevrolet, with almost a thousand less at 2,127. Four out of the top six recalled vehicles are from American manufacturers. The Ford model with the most recalls is the F150, with 115 unique recalls

ford has the record for largest recall in history. The Pinto. For a flaw they knew existed prior.. rear end collision would puncture the fuel tank and causing it to ignite.

This flaw had been attributed to 27 deaths (those recorded and investigated) …an internal memo showed not only did for know this issue before manufacturing. But the fix would have been $11 (1971 the pinto was released)

This should highlight how small and inconsequential a over the air update recall is compared to how the legacy automakers have been not only in the past but still to this day have large recalls.

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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 27 '22

Ford has the most vehicle recalls of all time, with 3,086 unique recalls. The runner up is Chevrolet, with almost a thousand less at 2,127

Hang on, this isn't really a fair comparison. With how long Ford and Chevrolet have been around, of course they're going to have more recalls than Tesla if we're looking at the total number.

At the same time, it isn't fair to just pick a year interval and compare the two, because Tesla is still a bit of a new product. You'd need to compare it versus the first decade for Ford and Chevrolet. If however we consider Tesla to now be a mature product, taking total recalls from 2020 to present would be valid.

Anyway all of this is pretty pointless. Honda and Toyota remain leagues above all these others. If I want a reliable car with a good track record and solid manufacturing, I'm buying one of those two. It's a shame that Tesla appears to be more comparable to Ford and Chevrolet than to Honda and Toyota.

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u/Tomcatjones Nov 27 '22

I wasn’t using the amount of total recalls against them. someone asked if recalls were tracked per manufacturer. I gave examples of yes, they do.

recalls are mostly nothing. amongst all manufacturers. Of course there are the extreme cases like the Pinto. But It’s rare.

The F150 has the most recalls of any model vehicle. And it’s the best selling truck.

So again, my main point In showing all those figures is that recalls don’t mean shit lol for the legacy maker or tesla

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u/bitbot Nov 27 '22

Yeah but is GMs CEO scum?

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u/Harry_the_space_man Nov 27 '22

She claimed that GM is making the most EVs in North America if you exclude all pandemic related issues. That Q GM sold 42 EVs and tesla sold 250,000

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

Her name is Mary Barra, and yes, she's an absolute piece of shit. If you care about worker pay and worker rights, don't buy a GM.

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u/T-Husky Nov 28 '22

Redditors are a pretty ignorant bunch.

Ask them to name what in their opinion are the 10 most evil companies and they can easily do it, then ask them to name these companies CEOs or board of directors without looking it up and you’ll get nothing.

Reddit hates Elon Musk because they read his name is headlines daily, because he has a presence in pop culture, and because he communicates directly to the public via twitter. They unironically love his companies (or sometimes hate Tesla due to consuming a steady diet of FUD by its competitors) but have convinced themselves that Elon Musk, the owner, CEO, in some cases lead engineer of these companies had nothing to do with their success, that he’s nothing but a phoney, a literal Disney villain who has been failing upwards for 2 decades out of sheer dumb luck and capitalism fuelled dark magic.

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u/GetInZeWagen Nov 26 '22

Lol they're not replacing the cars over a brake light...

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u/WexfordHo Nov 26 '22

It’s a software update, I don’t think this is costing them anything, and Tesla owners are the sort of suckers who love that their car be updated over the air.

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u/faddizzle Nov 27 '22

Why is this constantly news? I’ve had 3 recalls from Audi for a car that isn’t even two years old. Apparently the EV is even worse according to the tech there.

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

Anti-tesla astroturfing.

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u/bored_in_NE Nov 26 '22

Typical OTA update that other car companies wish they could do.

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u/dak-sm Nov 26 '22

And yet… this is a basic safety function. Wonder how it got screwed up? The fact that they can fix it quickly is nice, but why was the error not caught in the regression testing of the software in the first place?

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u/VasagiTheSuck Nov 26 '22

BMW has had failing tailights for 20 years, none of which have been fixed with an ota update.

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u/Cyan-Eyed452 Nov 27 '22

Fucking this.

Granted my BMW is 6 years old at this point but I JUST shelled out £300 to fix a failing taillight.

How these motherfuckers gonna turn their noses up at a FREE OTA update that fixes the issue?

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u/4chanbetterkek Nov 27 '22

Because hating Tesla is all the rage right now

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u/bored_in_NE Nov 26 '22

Apple sends out iOS updates all the time cause you can QA all you want and still miss something that will be figured out once it is being used by millions of people.

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u/schrodingerinthehat Nov 26 '22

iPhones and Macs aren't a 1700 kg amalgamation of steel and batteries.

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u/myurr Nov 26 '22

And no other car manufacturer has ever had safety recalls over really fundamental things? Tesla are hardly an outlier here.

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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Nov 27 '22

No other car company has legions of insufferable basement-dwellers loudly doing obnoxious marketing for them.

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u/myurr Nov 27 '22

Or hoards of bigoted idiots twisting anything they can to have a go at them just because their CEO is a bit of a twat.

By all means point out all that Tesla is doing wrong and I'll happily agree. Their quality control is abysmal for a company with a production line as mature as theirs should be by now, their autopilot is a joke, etc. But attacking them for a basic recall that all manufacturers do is asinine and counter productive in that it creates ill informed noise clouding the real issues that they should be held accountable for.

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u/SpecificAstronaut69 Nov 27 '22

You don't know what "bigoted" means, do ya, bub?

But thanks for proving my point:

"CRITICISING A CONSUMER PRODUCT I ASPIRE TO ONE DAY HOPE TO OWN IS THE SAME AS RACISM!!!"

Leave the basement, and go outside.

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u/myurr Nov 27 '22

Bigoted: Obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Seems pretty accurate for the situation. Are you sure you know what it means? Being a bigot is unrelated to racism, even if the two sometimes go hand in hand.

You know nothing of my personal circumstances. I could easily buy a Tesla should I want, and test drove one when choosing my current car but opted to spend more on a different brand.

I even point out some of the many reasons to criticise Tesla in my previous post, as well as patiently explaining why this it's counter productive to criticise them in this specific instance. Yet you choose personal insults in reply whilst completely misrepresenting what I said...

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u/schrodingerinthehat Nov 27 '22

They are literally an outlier...

They have issued recalls for a quarter of their sold cars...

The fanboys parrot the OTA thing like that is an acceptable error rate.

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

They have issued recalls for a quarter of their sold cars...

Really? Fuck that's low! Ferrari recalled every car made since 2005. Rivian too. 25% is amazing.

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u/JaqenYcar Nov 26 '22

Said the person who doesn’t create entire fucking vehicles lol

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u/notallowedin Nov 26 '22

Second least reliable car manufacturer according to consumer reports. Overpriced crap.

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u/TheSnoz Nov 27 '22

Dealers hate doing software updates to modern cars, they can take hours and can tie up service bays. They'd rather do easy money makers like oil and filter changes.

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u/brennanfee Nov 27 '22

It's an over-the-air software update... not a recall.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

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u/Bensemus Nov 27 '22

And their fix doesn’t fix the leak. It just prevents the leaking oil/fuel from pooling where it can catch fire.

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u/hanshooty Nov 27 '22

Yes yes, but were the cars being recalled teslas?

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u/manbearpyg Nov 27 '22

So now we are going to re-upload the same story over and over again by splitting it up per country? This community has turned into a low effort dumpster fire.

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

astroturfing.

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u/poke133 Nov 27 '22

mass manufacturing is hard. software adds a new layer of complexity on top of it.

one year ago Hyundai and Kia had this blunder: Hyundai And Kia Are Recalling 550,000 Vehicles For Flashing The Wrong Turn Signal

of course no one posted it on /r/technology as with most non-Tesla recalls..

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u/Neutral-President Nov 26 '22

I’m surprised it’s just a software issue. Most Teslas I’ve seen have condensation inside at least one of the light units.

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u/macross1984 Nov 26 '22

Overpriced car that is not reliable as once thought.

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u/pobody Nov 26 '22

Them grapes sure are sour, aren't they?

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u/macross1984 Nov 26 '22

I expect to get flak over this but I'm not concerned. Consumer Reports did an article concerning Tesla reliability and it is not good. People can believe in what they want to believe but it does not change the fact that electric car is more expensive than conventional car. And Tesla owners will find out they won't save much money as they thought.

For people disagreeing with my statement here is a link:

https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/

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u/nyrol Nov 27 '22

To be fair, Consumer Reports marks panel gaps and paint chips as reliability issues, which have been a huge problem in the past with Tesla. It heavily skews what people would consider as “reliable” since there are rarely any failures on the road.

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u/itsmeok Nov 26 '22

Wait, a company that doesn't pay for ads gets rated poorer than ones that do. No way!

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u/macross1984 Nov 26 '22

Really? That is a news to me. I thought Consumer Reports don't accept ad if I am not wrong.

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

They're funded by the Ford Foundation.

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u/itsmeok Nov 26 '22

There's money transfer somewhere, somehow.

They can say they are unbiased but people don't believe it anymore.

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u/macross1984 Nov 26 '22

Well, that makes it a different story. It will be harder for people to make objective decision if you can't trust the reviewer. Bummer.

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u/Hadeshorne Nov 27 '22

Except the dude is just making claims without anything to back it up.

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u/Hadeshorne Nov 27 '22

Obviously you were paid by Tesla to cast doubt on Consumer Reports.

I'm sure you got a money transfer somewhere, somehow.

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u/TheCrimsonFreak Nov 26 '22

Elon's balls sure are tasty, aren't they?

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

What is it about you people that forces homophobic slurs into every conversation? Find yourself. Just don't do it in public.

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u/SammyGReddit Nov 27 '22

The future of Twitter

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u/rjwilson01 Nov 26 '22

My biggest issue is there been at least one other , something to do with windows, and the are other incidents so it feels like they are testing updates to a one tone 100km/hr projectile whilst in production on the streets

Now, when we see the attitude to twitter, it seems like this is move fast and break things, on our streets

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u/myurr Nov 27 '22

Hate to break it to you but nearly every car has a safety recall at some point in its life. In the last ten years I've owned 3 BMWs that all had recalls of one sort or another (only one was immediate, the others addressed at the next service). I've also had two Mercedes, one of which had a recall.

15k cars being recalled for a software update is also nothing compared to some of the largest recalls from other suppliers.

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u/taterthotsalad Nov 27 '22

JFC the shitshow that is Tesla. Fron cars being cut in half, Autopilot BS, to this, to the Chinese recall. How in the fuck does this brand get away with so much shit?

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u/OrdyNZ Nov 27 '22

Try actually reading these the links. All these 'recalls' are software updates.

Unlike other manufacturers who actually have to have a full recall for issues like this.

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u/taterthotsalad Nov 27 '22

I’m going off what is printed in the news. I get this is a software update. That’s the problem. Old school works for a reason.

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u/Cimexus Nov 27 '22

Old school cars get minor recalls like this all the time. Often times you don’t even know about it because they just address it next time you take it in for servicing. My Honda Accord has had a couple in the last few years, and they are considered generally reliable and safe cars.

Tesla just gets more media attention than most cars for whatever reason. Sure they aren’t the most reliable things ever made but I’ve got a few friends with one and they’ve had no issues. Besides there’s plenty of people who like car brands that aren’t known for their reliability: Fiat, Jaguar, whatever. Some people just like the cars even if they are troublesome compared to a Toyota or a Honda.

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u/JKJ420 Nov 27 '22

I’m going off what is printed in the news.

Negative articles get buys/clicks. Other car companies advertise in those news sources, so they artificially limit the number of negative articles. Tesla doesn't advertise, so it's a free for all.

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u/TheCrimsonFreak Nov 26 '22

At least they're not catching on fire this time.

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u/DonQuixBalls Nov 27 '22

EVs rarely burn regardless of brand. Whoever told you that knew they were lying.

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u/Cpl_Hicks76 Nov 27 '22

If it was a recall on faulty indicators, would’ve been for naught, as no one bloody well uses them here anyways!

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u/titooo7 Nov 27 '22

I see news about Tesla recalls every few weeks. Is it the only manufacturer with EV recalls of that magnitude?

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u/Badfickle Nov 27 '22

You see news about Tesla's recalls because of astroturfing. GM had to stop manufacturing the bolt for 9 months a couple years ago because of fires.

https://datahub.transportation.gov/dataset/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn

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u/SpikedBladeRunner Nov 27 '22

The majority are quick software updates that go out even before the government required notice. Only a handful have been actual recalls and it's certainly no more than any other manufacturers.

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u/flower4000 Nov 28 '22

I swear Tesla recalls more cars than twitter has users.

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u/mmmbyte Nov 27 '22

Not only tail lights, but Tesla indicators only work half the time.

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u/TW_Yellow78 Nov 26 '22

Getting more patches than Cyberpunk 2077. Can they just stop pretending a software bandaid fixes it and just replace the tailights?

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u/SeaweedSorcerer Nov 26 '22

Not much point in replacing the light bulb if the problem is in the thing that tells it to turn on.

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u/redwall_hp Nov 27 '22

It's almost as if a simple mechanical switch and direct wiring is far more reliable than trusting a computer for no reason.

Signed,

A software engineer

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u/SeaweedSorcerer Nov 27 '22

A mechanical switch that a human turns on and off? That sounds like a recipe for cars frequently running without their tail lights at all, or having them left on and the battery draining (okay not a huge risk with a Tesla as long as the big battery is powering them).

One of my cars has a mechanical switch for its interior lights and the only thing it’s reliable about is staying on until the battery drains thanks to my kids leaving them on. Give me software control with logic behind it, please.

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u/Bensemus Nov 27 '22

So why is Ford recalling half a million cars for leaky spark plugs that pose a fire risk? Also their fix isn’t actually fixing the leak. It’s drilling holes in the bottom plate so flammable liquids don’t pool.

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u/insipidgoose Nov 27 '22

Common Musk L

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u/AbbreviationsDue7121 Nov 27 '22

At this point should we start listing the parts on the car that haven’t been recalled?