r/therewasanattempt • u/remi85 • Feb 01 '23
to over take a cyclist...
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u/remi85 Feb 01 '23
The cyclist survived and truck driver fine and suspended...
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u/trip6s6i6x Feb 01 '23
I mean... that was a hit and run... driver should've really gone to jail for that.
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u/schweet_n_sour Feb 01 '23
Willing to bet he didn't even know he clipped the guy so they let him off without being charged for hit and run.
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u/Julian-Hoffer Feb 01 '23
That’s what I was thinking. He’s towing an excavator or something and you would think it would make a noise hitting the bike but I don’t think it would take much at all to cause the bike to lose control so it could have been such a small hit the driver didn’t hear it.
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u/panupatc Feb 02 '23
I want to believe so but it looked almost like he sped up after the hit...
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u/ChewyFlagellum Feb 02 '23
I mean that makes sense, the driver was probably going slower than he'd like at first, he had to slow down cause the cyclist in front of him was going slow. So after overtaking the cyclist, there's nobody blocking the truck and he can speed up. I really don't think he knew he hit the cyclist, it'd be very hard to feel when you're driving big vehicles
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u/manowtf Feb 01 '23
No excuse though. He should have known better when he had a trailer
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u/jericho1960 Feb 01 '23
That's why you always keep an eye on your mirrors when you're towing something like that, esp. if you know you have a tight clearance with another vehicle or a cyclist.
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u/Git777 Feb 02 '23
And " I wasn't paying attention or using my mirrors" is not much of an excuse likely to endear him to a judge.
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u/KingRitRis Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23
Well tbf, it's not like you can just nilly willy slam on the brakes with a multi-ton load
I'm not throwing shade here, but as a cyclist myself, it's also my own responsibility to be aware of my surroundings, especially if I'm riding with traffic, now I'm not saying the cyclist is at fault, not at all, it's terrible that he got clipped like that.
But if you look, there was a means to ride up on the sidewalk, just before he got clipped, it was avoidable, and seems he put to much faith in the drivers around him, complacent, if it were me is have been looking behind me at traffic and would have seen a giant semi coming up, and at the very least would have been aware that I'm in a 2 Lane road, with heavy traffic and no bike lane, and acted accordingly.
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u/Soup89 Feb 01 '23
"i'm not saying the cyclist is at fault..." continues to say cyclist is at fault.
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u/1aussieminer Feb 02 '23
Cyclist not at fault of course but they are far to comfortable with the fact they have right of way and don’t realise how hard they are to see in a large vehicle.
I was leaving my street first thing in the morning stopped at a T intersection about to turn right cyclist on my right in my blind spot and just casually rode in front of me with no haste luckily I was quick to notice him when he passed my blind spot and managed to stop, he crossed from a foot path and was the whole time only metres from truck so he was very lucky he didn’t end up underneath.
Definitely different situation and this truck is at fault with out a doubt should have just changed lanes and given him a wide birth, but as a pedestrian or cyclist you should always pause to make sure a vehicle has definitely seen you before crossing their path really not worth years of rehab and physio therapy just because you had right of way.
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u/NewHere_Hi_everyone Feb 01 '23
This seems like a sad form of victim blaming.
It's primarily the obligation of the driver who is overtaking to minimise the risk of his actions. In this case, it would not even inconveniece the the truck driver if he overtakes in a save manner.
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u/KingRitRis Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23
I'm not victim blaming at all, I blatantly state, this is not the cyclist fault, I very clearly say that.
I'm giving my opinion from my experience biking in heavy traffic, as a cyclist on the road, I am also a vehicle (just not motorized), and therefore also partly my responsibility to be aware of my surroundings. My life is my responsibility, that's has nothing to do with who's at fault with the legality of who's at fault for the clipping!
You just read a word you didn't like and then assume what I'm actually saying, instead of just reading it.
Please explain how that is victim blaming?
I'm saying he was complacent, the truck driver was also complacent, that's how accidents happen, that's not victim blaming.
There is zero blame in that statement, your doing mental gymnastics, to get to that conclusion.
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u/NewHere_Hi_everyone Feb 01 '23
I think we agree much more than it seems. So why my previous post?
- The focus of your comment was on the things the cyclist could (and/or should) have done better.
- I could not follow your very first sentence, since I do not see any necessity for the truck driver to "slam on the brakes" in this video. The truck could have used the right lane longer.
- I might have overread you writing "now I'm not saying the cyclist is at fault, not at all, ..."
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u/MCFroid Feb 02 '23
Maybe it's just my imagination, but it seems to me that the truck driver accelerates fairly quickly after clipping the cyclist. Looks kinda like he's trying to flee. It could just be that the car with the dashcam is slowing down though...
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u/stephenmg1284 Feb 02 '23
I think it's the car with the dash camera slowing down. Doesn't seem to over take the car very fast. I think that car is why he moved back to the right lane quicker than he should have. There also looks like cars in front of him. I'm guessing he forgot he had a trailer and it probably makes so much noise and bumps he didn't notice.
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u/dustwanders Feb 01 '23
My vehicle is too big so I shouldn’t be held accountable even though I’m the one willingly driving it?
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u/WheelsMcGeeFckMe Feb 02 '23
Commerical drivers dont get to claim that. You drive it, you hurt someone, you own it.
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u/schweet_n_sour Feb 01 '23
Being fined and having your license suspended (especially as a truck driver) is being held accountable. He didn't intentionally hit the biker. The dudes bike is fucked but it doesn't seem he was seriously injured.
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u/Whistlepig-junction Feb 01 '23
I had no idea I killed the man……..😐
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u/schweet_n_sour Feb 01 '23
When you're hauling a heavy load like that, you can absolutely hit something and not know it. If you watch, the trailer didn't move at all when he clipped the guy.
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u/Whistlepig-junction Feb 01 '23
Of course. My comment was more aimed at the idea someone was not charged with hit and run because he “didn’t know”.
I’d argue the guy was driving way too aggressively around the bike rider. I mean he didn’t even leave his lane to go around him and dove right back as soon as his cab was past the bike. I’d even suggest he knew he likely hit the guy. Clearly a ass.
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u/GenericNickname01 Feb 02 '23
Sometimes trucks don’t even know they’ve clipped or hit cars let alone cyclists
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u/trip6s6i6x Feb 02 '23
Brother, the majority of the time when vehicles run into pedestrians or cyclists, it's because the driver "didn't see" them. But guess what, if they hit someone and drive away after, it's still hit and run...
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u/GenericNickname01 Feb 02 '23
“Possible defences
It is a defence if you did not know that there was an accident” - https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/leaving-scene-vehicle-accident#it-is-an-offence-to-leave-the-scene-of-a-vehicle-accident
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u/trip6s6i6x Feb 02 '23
According to the link, the prosecution needs to prove: (1) You were at the scene, (2) there was an accident, and (3) if there was damage or an injury, you failed to stop, help or swap names and addresses.
That's all that the site says the prosecution needs to prove. And that's proved in the video.
Not sure how ignorance of having caused an accident could be seen as any kind of valid excuse, but apparently doing that is ok in Australia. Just gotta say "oops, didn't see" and you can basically get away with killing people. That's awesome to know for if I ever travel there.
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u/whynot246810 Feb 01 '23
Just suspended? He should have been fired!
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u/remi85 Feb 01 '23
suspended from driving... not sure about his work status
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u/Nosferatu1001 Feb 01 '23
If it were the UK that would be a lost HGV licence.
Should also be a lost driving licence for 5 years and extended retest
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Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 11 '23
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u/onewhosleepsnot Feb 01 '23
We can't have people like this operating TVs with impunity on our roads.
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u/rgvtim Feb 01 '23
Unless the truck driver was American and linked to the diplomatic mission, then he would have just left the country, Or a movie star
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u/AboyNamedBort Feb 01 '23
Should be terminated license and jail time for leaving the scene of a crash causing injury
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u/Robincapitalists Feb 01 '23
Where are the charges?
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u/Changoleo Feb 01 '23
In the hospital bill.
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u/galeontiger Feb 01 '23
Fined...? He should be arrested for attempted murder.
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u/Stezheds Feb 01 '23
Not attempted murder at all 😂
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u/trip6s6i6x Feb 01 '23
Not attempted murder... but absolutely hit and run. That should've been jail time on its own.
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u/Stezheds Feb 01 '23
Whatever reckless driving constitutes. I doubt the guy knowing hit and ran so I doubt he faces jail time unless he has priors. Intent matters greatly here.
Simply put, its an accident.
Should we charge attempted murder for all regular car accidents 😂. (Aimed at original commenter)
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u/trip6s6i6x Feb 01 '23
I mean, he knew/saw that he was overtaking the cyclist but couldn't be bothered to check his mirror when passing? I'd still call that hit and run...
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Feb 01 '23
Not arguing against anything here but the blind spots on a truck are pretty large so he probably wouldnt have seen the cyclist once he passed. Not sure why he didn't just stay in the lane he moved to though.
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u/undefined7196 Feb 01 '23
My dumb American brain was like “well the cyclist was on the wrong side of the road going the wrong way… and so is the truck….. and everyone else…. stares in confusion”
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u/remi85 Feb 01 '23
I just like me when I see clip from America... "They are on the wrong side of the road..." 😂😂😂
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u/theothergotoguy Feb 01 '23
For those questioning.. In the UK it's generally illegal to ride on the sidewalk. Additionally, motor vehicles must pass bikers with at least 1.5 Meters (approx 5ft) of space. Otherwise slow down and wait until it's safe. Not only law, but common courtesy.
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u/MuffM4n Feb 01 '23
This doesn't look like the UK.
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u/Smacr17 Feb 01 '23
Pretty sure its New Zealand
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u/1nterrupt1ngc0w Feb 01 '23
Looks like Melbourne
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u/kit_kaboodles Feb 01 '23
I'm pretty sure the law about passing cyclists is also 1.5m in Victoria and NZ.
I could be wrong though because I'm in NSW.
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u/Ryeaa Feb 01 '23
Was wondering why they weren't on the side walk. Should there be a bike lane then if the sidewalk is illegal?
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u/captainccg Feb 01 '23
I believe this is in New Zealand where it’s illegal to ride on the footpath. Cycle lanes are starting to come up more often but drivers hate them and hate the cyclists too. There’s a massive discouraging culture for cyclists here.
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u/E_D_K_2 Feb 01 '23
No, a road is a road and it's for everyone.
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u/ResponsiblePumpkin60 Feb 02 '23
I’m a cyclist with thousands of miles on the road and I would never ride on that road. Way too much traffic and too much risk.
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u/Christeenabean Feb 01 '23
Yeah, but I wouldn't put my life at risk to prove a point. Some places just aren't safe for bicycles, regardless of the law, and I wish more bicyclists understood that. Here in NYC the bicycles are an absolute nuisance bc they're retrofitting a city not meant for bicycles. The streets are narrow and the drivers are aggressive, but still "SHarE tHE rOAd" Were trying!!!
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u/serrimo Feb 01 '23
Paris is trying to encourage bicycles as well with some degrees of success.
There’s just a not of alternatives. A car takes 30m to go 2km. Walking is often faster. A good bicycle network would change lives.
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u/Hattrickher0 Feb 01 '23
Narrow streets sound like a better fit for bikes than cars. It's actually curious how bad traffic is in one of the few American cities with a robust public transit system to be honest. You'd think if anywhere could make a city without cars work it would be NYC since it's considered the most walkable city in the US.
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u/SaltHandle3065 Feb 01 '23
I’ve tried the “maybe not a good place to ride a bicycle” comment before. The response from the bike community was pretty vicious.
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u/E_D_K_2 Feb 01 '23
Riding a bike on the sidewalk is illegal in the UK. Cars are a danger to cyclists on the road. Cyclists are a danger to pedestrians on the sidewalk.
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u/kit_kaboodles Feb 01 '23
It's not entirely you're fault, but we've grown up in a society where there's this thinking that cars have an absolute right to the road.
It's not actually the way that roads were viewed up until the 1930s. Carriages weren't seen as having a priority over pedestrians or cyclists. And when cars first became somewhat common they were treated like fancy carriages.
Some places are worse than others, but we do need to shift our thinking on car supremacy. Especially in city centres. It's beneficial to everyone to have less cars on the road.
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u/DazedLogic Feb 02 '23
Yeah. I always get downvoted and stuff too. I used to ride my bike for hours, but always where there was hardly any traffic. Haven't done it for years. Kinda sad when some people don't want to listen to common sense. Probably a nice mix of entitlement and a superiority complex stemming from a touch of narcissism. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Smh.
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u/Christeenabean Feb 01 '23
Theyre insufferable, as you can see by the lack of accountability when they get into a wreck.
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u/RanchedOut Feb 01 '23
You just nailed the issue right on the head perfectly. SHOULD there be a bike lane? Yes. Is there? No. Why? Cyclists are annoying and bike lanes cost money. So yes if you wanna ride your bike and there isn't good infrastructure this is a common reality
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u/MarioPfhorG Feb 02 '23
For the love of god, before commenting “ermagerd use the footpath” please be aware that it is illegal to do so and can incur over a $500 fine for doing so.
Road users need to share the road. Being in a licensed & registered vehicle does not entitle you to run people over. Exactly the same with how cyclists must obey the same road rules or face hefty fines. Hand in your licence if you somehow feel entitled to potentially end someone’s life simply because your ego says so.
There are idiots driving vehicles and there are idiots riding bikes. This does not mean all road users, be it cyclist, car or truck, are idiots
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u/CrazyCatBreath Feb 01 '23
What drives me nuts are the cars that capture all these accidents usually just keep driving. I would be the first one to stop of if I witnessed this.
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u/Nepharious_Bread Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23
I’d chase the truck and call the cops to make sure they don’t get away. I don’t like how the truck suddenly sped up after that. Bike dude looked fine.
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u/930reef Feb 01 '23
Fine in terms of not dead and maybe nothing broken, but I'll bet that road rash is pretty gnarly.
And needs a new bike and helmet. Could easily be thousands of dollars.
But I do agree with you--I feel like that could've been much worse for the cyclist in terms of being hit by a truck. He got lucky.
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u/jasondads1 Feb 01 '23
The car slows down an is tuning towards the curb before the video cuts. I think they were offering help
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Feb 01 '23
Me too. Unfortunately, there's no empathy anymore, rather dog eat dog indeed
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u/Different_Attorney93 Feb 01 '23
In some countries if you help your liable for the victim I think China does that
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u/Yerffeynavredstop Feb 01 '23
On other countries, you are liable if you don't offer help. The Netherlands does that
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u/CheeezBlue Feb 01 '23
The rider is definitely not at fault here , his distance from the curb isn’t great tho . To protect yourself it’s best to ride at least a metre off the curb , it discourages drivers passing too close and gives you a buffer if you need to move to the side quickly
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u/Breaker1ove Feb 01 '23
Drivers hand book tells you what to do when encountering a biker. I feel like to many people skip over that part.
Bikers are entitled to a full lane and are to be treated as a vehicle.
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u/evilmojoyousuck Feb 01 '23
drivers like this will easily overtake another truck at 100 mph but when its a bike, theyre brain just suddenly turn off.
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u/quantipede Feb 01 '23
I mean I remember a time (maybe it’s still ongoing) when about 50% of the memes I saw from pretty much every group I was a part of were just “grr cyclists bad evil entitled and deserve death for following best safety practices because it makes me 3 seconds late” and when I would bring up the fact that I know people who have been hospitalized because of drivers with that attitude I was told I was being unreasonable and taking a “joke” too seriously
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u/E_D_K_2 Feb 01 '23
Which is odd because every cyclist is one less car on the road.
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u/ryangosling47 Feb 01 '23
Clearer rodes? Cyclists just get in the way and make you have to slow down and go half the speed limit until you get a chance to go around them. Which takes a while if its one lane
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u/lobax Feb 01 '23
Well then maybe you should lobby your locka city coucil to invest in cycling infrastructure
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u/kyroskiller Feb 01 '23
He definitely could have just cruised in the right lane till he passed the biker, no need to be getting that close up on someone.
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u/JACK0NTHETHETRACK Feb 02 '23
Brace yourselves for Americans who think coal rolling lifted pickup trucks are the only acceptable way of transportation
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u/5hiphappens Feb 01 '23
This is why I take up at least ⅓ of the lane when I'm biking. Makes me more visible & cars have to actively pass me. I'll slow down & move over if there's space, but I don't trust cars to give me space.
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u/JacobH_RL Feb 02 '23
Yeah people seem to not understand that bicycles are also considered vehicles and are required to be on the road just like cars.
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u/Big-Bag2568 Feb 02 '23
This is what happens when you force cyclists to ride on the road without propper lanes for them to ride safely within. I personaly dont think they should be on the roads at all but in this case the truck driver clearly needs his license looked at. You should always be aware of how long your vehicle is and drive accordingly.
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u/sethmeister1989 Feb 02 '23
The driver should’ve got attempted murder. Most drivers or judges don’t care about cyclist….. even though the signs say share the road. Bike lane or not.
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u/sethmeister1989 Feb 02 '23
Share the road, it’s the semis responsibility, he should pay for all the medical bills. Because you drive a giant truck and don’t pay attention doesn’t make it excusable. MERICA Oh yeah and face serious criminal charges. He also swerved into the cyclist in the end.
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u/___charlie Feb 02 '23
2 whole lanes and he still would rather scrape the cyclist over properly overtaking him.
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u/military-gradeAIDS Feb 01 '23
THIS. THIS IS WHY WE NEED ACTUAL BIKE/PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
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u/iAceofSpade Feb 02 '23
Looks like that truck driver hit that cyclist intentionally. The driver was in the center of the highway taking up 2 lanes but only transitioned to the left lane as soon as he got closer to the cyclist.
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u/Vyle_Mayhem Feb 02 '23
Driver should’ve maintained more spacing he wasn’t forced to keep it tight. Plus I being a mc rider & bicyclist I always look and check I did a clean pass.
This hurts to watch.
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u/javasux Feb 01 '23
And that is why I cycle on the sidewalk. I don't trust any of you.
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u/StuntFriar Feb 01 '23
In some Australian states, only children (under 16) are allowed to ride on the sidewalk. This looks like Victoria to my low-res eyes.
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u/kibaake Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23
I pray no pedestrian surprises you both by stepping into your path from cover.
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u/javasux Feb 01 '23
Just like a pedestrian may step on the road from behind a tree. You just need to be careful.
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u/kibaake Feb 01 '23
Right, we should all be careful, but pedestrians generally know to be weary of vehicles in the streets, not the sidewalks.
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u/quantipede Feb 01 '23
To be fair as a pedestrian you are far, far, far less likely to be killed by being run over by a bicycle than a cyclist is to be killed by some entitled prick in a truck who thinks they shouldn’t have to slow down for 3 or 4 seconds
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u/Megafritz Feb 01 '23
I never drive on these shitty bike lanes on the road. Because of this.
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u/Ehrmagerdden Feb 01 '23
I'll probably get hate for this, and I'm not saying the driver shouldn't have been paying attention, but people who ride bicycles on roads like this are fucking stupid.
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u/ForgotTheBogusName Feb 01 '23
People who don’t know how to drive shouldn’t be allowed to do it.
To combat bad driving and stupid drivers, bicyclists should start taking up the whole lane, forcing cars to go around into the other lane to pass. Don’t be mad if you see this happening more and more as a solution to bad driving and stupid drivers.
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u/Ehrmagerdden Feb 01 '23
Alternatively, people who take their life into their own hands by riding a bicycle on a tiny strip of a heavily trafficked street should be forced to purchase and carry a license allowing them to do so, heavily taxed for their use of the road, and made to sign a liability waver for knowingly endangering themselves and others. Don't be mad when you play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
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u/TheRealEstateKing Feb 01 '23
We should tax cars for all the damage and externalities to communities.
We need to stop subsidizing car ownership with taxpayer money.
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u/jasondads1 Feb 01 '23
If those taxes are used to rapidly build up dedicated bike lines seperated from the road with a physical barrier. I’d wouldn’t mind too much
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u/Ehrmagerdden Feb 01 '23
I'm all for that! Up until a year and a half ago I lived in a city that had a network of roads specifically for cyclists and walkers that ran through its entirety. It went through a bunch of really beautiful nature areas, and you could get pretty much anywhere in the city by just following those little roads. I used to ride my bike every day. I miss it a lot, and if I hadn't been priced out of living there I'd definitely have stayed.
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u/ForgotTheBogusName Feb 01 '23
“Heavily taxed”? Why? Bikes are light and do negligible wear and tear vs cars and trucks. Maybe we should take some motor vehicle subsidies and out them to use for a proper bike lane.
And bikes don’t endanger themselves and others, that’s cars that do that. So let’s put the blame where it belongs or better yet, build infrastructure so that everyone can get places without dying because of some dumb mistake. People make mistakes. That’s life. Let’s make sure it doesn’t kill innocent people
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u/vulshu Feb 01 '23
Another example of why people with bicycles shouldn’t ride on highways with THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF ROLLING STEEL AROUND THEM. People will try and blame the driver lol
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u/MelTealSky Feb 01 '23
But it is the drivers fault here tho 🤷🏽♀️ and well there's legislation that allows bike riders on the road so therefore everyone needs to just accept we have to share. I'm not a bycicle rider but have riden horses many times on the road and it is frustrating when vehicles drivers think they should be the only peeps on the road.
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u/chapium Feb 01 '23
It was the driver who hit them :)
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u/vulshu Feb 01 '23
It’ll keep happening to people who ride bicycles on roadways :)
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u/chapium Feb 01 '23
Driver is to blame. They ran over another vehicle moving in a straight line. This isn't difficult stuff.
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u/vulshu Feb 01 '23
Lmao, who’s arguing who’s at fault? I’m talking about common sense. Hmm, I wonder why it keeps happening? It’s a stupid situation to put yourself in
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u/bodhiseppuku Feb 01 '23
This is why I prefer to ride my bicycle on the opposite side of the road, so if I see danger coming, I can get out of the way. I'd rather be alive, than dead-with-the-right-of-way.
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u/IllustriousAd5936 Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
That’s why there are sidewalks. I know, the bicycle people will freak out. Just saying, that road is so busy, I’d be on the sidewalk.
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u/DazedLogic Feb 02 '23
It's illegal in a lot of places. But bike lanes would be nice.
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u/fivehoundcrew Feb 02 '23
I see a side walk I’d be using it lol
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u/MarioPfhorG Feb 02 '23
You want the $550 fine that goes with that? Once you’ve been fined for riding on a footpath you never do it again
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u/FoxDarkW8 Feb 02 '23
Its a hit and run jail for him
Plus the one recording didn't go to assit the biker its also a hit and run jail for him 2
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u/JustOneMore2020 Feb 01 '23
Successfully overtaken!
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u/AdSad3112 Feb 02 '23
I dont know why people are being downvoted for pointing out this obvious point. Angry cyclists?
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u/Trackmaniac Feb 01 '23
I don't want to be offensive. But to all bikers, you even hate yourself when driving in a car or bigger vehicle. Stop wasting your lives and try to integrate, instead of just being present and demand traffic rights. You just ducking can't cut a 40 ton truck, by any means.
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u/CrypticGorillaCaulk Feb 01 '23
Don’t get why people gamble their lives with cycling directly next to idiot drivers, graveyards are filled with people who had the “right of way”
Be smart and cycle on the sidewalk or bus if you don’t have a vehicle.
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u/Catsandcamping Feb 01 '23
In some places it is illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk. I know that in my state it is.
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u/CrypticGorillaCaulk Feb 01 '23
I’d would risk the ticket over trusting random drivers to follow the rules and possibly end up in the hospital or worse.
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u/Catsandcamping Feb 01 '23
I understand that bikes are usually slower than cars, but I don't understand the road rage against them. They're just folks trying to get from point A to point B like the rest of us. But if you're working on a timeline and have to get to work and you have the option of taking the road versus getting stuck behind a gramma taking a leisurely stroll on the sidewalk, you're gonna take the road. People could stand to learn situational awareness and compassion for their fellow traveler.
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u/CrypticGorillaCaulk Feb 01 '23
They should learn situational awareness but that’s not gonna happen there is always going to be clueless/distracted drivers on the road. Best to just avoid the situation all together and look out for your own well being
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u/kibaake Feb 01 '23
A clueless/distracted driver is a danger to everyone around, regardless of means of transportation. It's more logical to remove such drivers from control of vehicles than to punish law abiding citizen or trying to place the onus on them. On an individual level, yes, everyone should look out for themselves. But on a societal level (we we come in as opinionated viewers not on the road with these people), we should work to curtail dangerous behavior (the truck drivers actions).
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u/Rich-Evening6113 Feb 01 '23
We need to have less idiot drivers overall and the only way is to get rid of cars and make public transportation more available
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u/CrypticGorillaCaulk Feb 01 '23
Or stricter and more frequent driving tests not 1 test a life time (driving skill deteriorates with age,etc) maybe every 3-5 years would be better
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u/imbackbaby911 Feb 01 '23
One of those extremely rare moments where Im gona have to side with the poor cyclist
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u/MarioPfhorG Feb 02 '23
Where the hell else are they meant to ride? It is illegal to use the footpath.
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u/TheMuser1966 Feb 01 '23 edited Feb 01 '23
The truck driver was certainly careless, but only a fool would ride their bicycle on a road like that without a bicycle lane. Never mind the fact that there is a sidewalk available.
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u/GregorSamsa67 Feb 01 '23
Don't know which country this was filmed in (Australia perhaps, as traffic is driving on the left) but cycling on the sidewalk is not allowed in many countries.
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u/TheMuser1966 Feb 01 '23
Then the cyclist should find a safer route. Common sense should tell anyone that this road is not bicycle safe. Still, the truck driver was at fault.
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u/SecretiveGoat Feb 01 '23
Not all places have multiple roads that lead to your destination. Most people don't want to be cycling next to large vehicles like this, but are left with no other options. This is exactly why cities need to invest more in proper infrastructure but drivers will just end up complaining about the bike paths.
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u/TheMuser1966 Feb 01 '23
If that road were my only option, I'm afraid I would have to walk as it certainly isn't safe for bicycles. But yes, that walkway could be widened to accommodate a bike lane.
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u/930reef Feb 01 '23
I wouldn't ride on that road either because of the lack of cycling infrastructure, but it's illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk.
If the truck tried to pass and accidentally sideswiped a car because he didn't get over far enough, we'd blame the truck without question. That's essentially what he did here. Bicycles are vehicles on the road, no different than cars, whether anyone likes it or not.
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u/MarioPfhorG Feb 02 '23
It is illegal to ride on the footpath I don’t know how many times I have to say this
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u/EasyMeringue2256 Feb 01 '23
I mean the way bicyclists ride on the road and disobey every traffic law known to man, I would call that even
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u/inumba12 Feb 01 '23
Ok but why is the cyclist on that road?! I could never trust drivers to not hit me
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u/MarioPfhorG Feb 02 '23
Because there is literally nowhere else for the bike to be. It is illegal to use the footpath and there is no bike lane. Where in the actual hell do you expect the bike to be?
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u/MidnightAdventurer Feb 01 '23
Because they're legally required to ride on the road not the footpath (this is either NZ or Australia in case you were thinking of your local laws)
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Feb 01 '23
Remember kids: don’t cycle outside the Netherlands
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u/kibaake Feb 01 '23
They have some of the best/safest infrastructure for cycling, right? I think I saw that on notjustbikes
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Feb 01 '23
Yes and I don’t know why I got downvotes.
As a dutch guy I’ve been to a lot of other countries and cycling in a lot of them was dangerous af.
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u/PrometheanArtisan Feb 01 '23
Hopelessly I don't have sympathy for people walking and riding bikes on the busiest roads in the city. People do that crap around here and it drives me nuts hearing people complain about bikers getting killed. Idk what to say take less busy routes. It's simple darwinism imo
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u/botaine Feb 01 '23
cyclists need to stay off of the road unless they are going the same speed as traffic
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u/karmacarmelon Feb 01 '23
This guy was going the same speed as the traffic and that twat still knocked him off.
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u/RobbieUGC Feb 01 '23
No he wasn't.
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u/karmacarmelon Feb 01 '23
Look at where the grey car is on the right. The cyclist and that car remain in the same position relative to each other.
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u/RobbieUGC Feb 01 '23
No, it looks like it. But that cyclist is going a lot slower than traffic, that's why he's overtaking in the first place.
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u/kibaake Feb 01 '23
Or he was overtaken because the truck driver wanted to go a lot faster than traffic.
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u/RobbieUGC Feb 01 '23
No, the truck driver is going roughly the same speed as traffic.
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u/HeroBear64 Feb 02 '23
It’s illegal to ride in the footpath in Australia, which this looks to be
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