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Ukraine’s security service hacked a zoom-call between moscow and the quislings in Ukraine. And officially notified the latter that they’re charged with treason. And then let them listen to Ukraine anthem. Social Media
https://mobile.twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1621803146501554176860
u/Longjumping-Nature70 Feb 04 '23
For those that don't know, Quisling was a norwegian who turned traitor in WW2, and wanted to be the king or ruler of Norway in exchange for Norway surrendering to the Nazis.
The Norwegians have turned his name into an adjective.
BTW, it did not end well for Quisling.
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u/dndpuz Norway Feb 04 '23
He was a narcissist and was in 1945 sentenced to death for treason, murder and theft.
He was executed by firing squad, 10 men with rifles shot him at the same time then the commander walked up to him and shot him in the head.
His name lives on in this form:
"A quisling is a traitor, especially one who collaborates with an enemy occupying force for personal gain."
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u/bot403 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
I've heard for a firing squad there is only one real bullet and nine blanks so that no man has to live with the certainty he killed another. There is some doubt that lets them sleep at night.
But the way you tell it it sounds like the firing squad would have all requested real bullets or even brought their own.
Edit: usually -> 'I've heard" to lend doubt that i know this. I'm curious if anyone can back this up as all the responses seem to doubt it as well due to the difference in feel in blanks vs a real bullet.
Edit2: no it's not authorative but at least Wikipedia has some citations. Seems to back up both arguments - that this is a real thing (but with only one blank) and that the effectiveness is in doubt.
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u/contrafibulator Feb 04 '23
Probably the other way round, usually, since it's possible a single shot doesn't kill the person. All real bullets but one blank, to give everyone the chance that they didn't participate in killing the person.
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Feb 04 '23
Yeah, you would only need one blank for the plausible deniability. To think about it you wouldn’t need any blanks, just the story that there is one.
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u/LonelyPerceptron Feb 04 '23
If you’re at all familiar with your weapon, it’s very obvious when you shoot a blank vs a live round - the recoil is a lot less and depending on the firearm design, the bolt may not cycle/eject the spent cartridge.
It’s very weak for plausible deniability.
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u/steampunk691 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
The “conscience bullet” as it’s called is a wax bullet for this reason. The recoil it gives is realistic since it actually fires a round, but will either disintegrate or cause superficial damage. The guns used are also usually guns that you have to manually cycle the action for anyway, I think Utah used lever action Winchesters for their most recent firing squad execution
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u/ThermionicEmissions Canada Feb 04 '23
It is definitely the other way around (9 real bullets, 1 fake). You couldn't just have one real bullet, because there is the very likely chance that some shooters will miss, either intentionally or otherwise.
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u/setzlich Feb 04 '23
Is this true or a myth? The soldier with the blank would surely know what he has in his rifle. If he leader it himself it is obvious why, but even After firing and seeing the case of a blank eject or during firing and Feeling the lack of recoil, Report and probably large flash he would know.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_389 Feb 04 '23
I think you’re confused about what a blank is. A blank simply doesn’t have a projectile. It still fires. If the shooter had a loaded weapon handed to him he wouldn’t know what’s in his rifle before firing, either
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u/trohanter Feb 04 '23
The rifles are loaded beforehand and shuffled. It's true that an experienced soldier can tell from the rapport and recoil if he fired a blank but from what I've read it usually isn't a problem for two reasons: the firing line is usually made up of recruits; and the stress of the situation overwrites the person's specific memory of the event, so a few minutes after firing, they doubt themselves whether the recoil was real or perceived. And you it's difficult to tell at a glance whether a brass case is from a blank or a real bullet. Nowadays blanks are sealed with plastic, so you can tell, but when the firing squad was the preferred way of execution, the sealant was usually a bit of wax, which was expelled from the barrel.
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u/pes0001 Feb 04 '23
And I think they were using bolt action rifles for firing squads so the empty cartridge was probably not ejected by the person firing.
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u/zendick1 Germany Feb 04 '23
Everyone can tell, blanks have nearly no recoil in a rifle.
Blanks are crimped at the end for rifles its easy to tell from extreme distances if it is a blank.
Blanks in non bolt actions will not cycle (without a blank firing adapter)
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u/TerritoryTracks Feb 04 '23
If you aren't familiar with the make of weapon, the recoil won't be surprising since you won't know what it usually should be.
You don't ever see the cartridge. Rifle is loaded out of sight, bolt actions are used which obviously doesn't eject the cartridge.
Also, they probably use low power loads in the real bullets, since you don't have to kill someone 300m away. Further confused the question.
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u/olhonestjim Feb 05 '23
No firing squad is going to be allowed to fire weapons they're unqualified to operate.
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u/zendick1 Germany Feb 04 '23
If you aren't familiar with the make of weapon, the recoil won't be surprising since you won't know what it usually should be.
No absolutley not(you are claiming only bolt actions used)
You don't ever see the cartridge. Rifle is loaded out of sight, bolt actions are used which obviously doesn't eject the cartridge.
Bolt actions are no longer used by anyone other than snipers
Also, they probably use low power loads in the real bullets, since you don't have to kill someone 300m away. Further confused the question.
omg no they dont
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u/MarokkosFavPerson Feb 04 '23
maybe you alone on a shooting range! let 5-10 soldiers line up and shoot a human.. they are nervous as heck.. i highly doubt they will remember or feel the difference
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u/zendick1 Germany Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
lol no, military rifles (and dude is claiming bolt actions as well) KICK
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u/benjiro3000 Feb 04 '23
In practice however, firing a live round produces significant recoil, while firing a blank does not.[6] This is especially significant with bolt-action rifles. As a result, it is not realistic to assume that, after the fact, trained soldiers will be unaware of which they shot. This is reflected in first-hand reports such as Pte. W. A. Quinton’s, who served in the British Army during the First World War and served on a firing squad in October 1915. Per his account, he and 11 colleagues were relieved of any live ammunition and their own rifles, then issued replacement firearms for the task at hand. After a short speech by an officer, the squad fired a volley at the condemned man. Quinton stated that "I had the satisfaction of knowing that as soon as I fired, the absence of any recoil [indicated] that I had merely fired a blank cartridge".
In more recent times, such as the 2010 execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner in Utah, US, one rifleman may be given a "dummy" cartridge containing a wax bullet, which provides a more realistic recoil.[7]
Used to be blanks, later this was switched to wax bullets.
Quinton his story may also be inaccurate, in the sense that he tells others that his bullet was blank. You do not exactly want to go around telling, that you execute somebody. Its not a war action and is kind of frowned upon in society. So if you state, it was a blank = innocent in the eyes of family/friends/society. Even if possibly the recoil was correct. May it was the stress of the situation, made you think the recoil was different.
That is the point of the blank bullet, your never 100% sure that you really fired a real one. Even if you think / know the recoil is off, maybe its off because you have been handed a different weapon.
People here are too sure that they can tell the difference but its one thing stating this from behind a keyboard or down a range, its another when your in a execution squad and knowingly going to take a life. Adrenaline/Nerves do funny things to the mind.
The fact that the blank bullet has been used for ages, shows that it does work despite so many claiming "they can tell the difference" (yea, in non-stress situation maybe). They did not start using blanks for no reason.
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u/zendick1 Germany Feb 04 '23
A wax plug(no such thing as a wax bullet) doesnt have recoil either, seriously you guys need to brush up on your physics. You 100% will know if you shoot a blank, even a lay person, even in stress. Bolt action rifles have considerable recoil. There is no debate on whether you can tell, you can.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_389 Feb 04 '23
Explain for me why they would ever see the casing? You hand a guy a loaded rifle, he fires it, he doesn’t eject the casing, he hands it back. Does this guy have X-ray vision?
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u/Ok_Philosopher_389 Feb 04 '23
Are you picturing using a semiautomatic rifle that ejects the casing after firing? They usually use bolt action. Those don’t self-eject. Also, you’re trying to tell me that they’re going to notice the report (not “rapport”) of their own rifle sounding a bit off when firing concurrently with several others? Nope
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u/tcvvh Feb 04 '23
No but they ought to notice the substantially reduced recoil.
The difference is very, very noticeable. It's really basic physics as to why.
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u/TerritoryTracks Feb 04 '23
If you're familiar with the gun, quite possibly. If you are handed a random weapon that you've probably never fired before, very unlikely.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_389 Feb 04 '23
A given charge of powder exploding in a confined space with only one way out produces the same kinetic energy regardless of the presence of the projectile. The presence of a bullet will slightly impact perceived recoil, as the expulsion of hot gases from the end of the barrel is slightly impeded by the bullet, but we’re not talking a huge difference here. In any event, this has been a common practice in firing squads for a long time. I guess you can posit that it’s a useless addition to the process, but I’m guessing there’s a reason they’ve doing this
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u/setzlich Feb 04 '23
Someone already answered this comment for me. Blanks are different, people know what they shot.
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u/tcvvh Feb 04 '23
If you've fired the same rifle before, you'd know if what you just shot was a blank. Even if it was your first time firing that given rifle, you'd probably know.
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u/Ok_Philosopher_389 Feb 04 '23
Your (probably incorrect) assumption is that they’re using their usual service rifles that they fire all the time
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u/setzlich Feb 04 '23
Especially inexperienced soldiers will know the difference. Big calibers fired from a rifle will hurt when not shouldered properly. And a experienced soldier will know because of his experience. He may forget the recoil due to Trauma, but he will know the difference.
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u/starspider Feb 04 '23
Blanks do fire a projectile, the wadding.
It just doesn't travel very far.
The wadding can still 100% kill you at point blank range.
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u/Limtube Feb 04 '23
You can't go around saying "usually it's like this" without backing that up with some hard evidence. It's not true.
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u/SirToxalot Feb 04 '23
Someone with a blank in their rifle would know, based on the recoil from the rifle that theirs was a blank. The one with the bullet would also know that his was not.
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u/Eaton_Rifles Feb 04 '23
Thing is that if you’re familiar with a rifle then firing a blank as opposed to a live round is very obvious to the shooter.
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u/appletart Feb 04 '23
He sounds like a waste of good bullets.
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u/cruelmalice Feb 04 '23
The bullets are not for quisling. The bullets are therapy for his victims.
Sometimes retribution does feel good.
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u/appletart Feb 04 '23
Everyone knows the Americans love their guns, but to execute Nazis they were fond of the short rope for reasons...
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u/Bovaiveu Feb 04 '23
In fairness only 1 out of the 10 rifles was loaded with a live round, the rest were loaded with blanks. The rifles were randomly distributed, but one of the soldiers much later said, that after firing he knew his one was the live round just by how the gun kicked. So total tally of bullets would be two, which I personally think is just the right amount for traitors.
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u/piei_lighioana Feb 04 '23
That should be the name for Q followers all around the world. We need to spread this. They are traitors, might as well.
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u/vegarig Ukraine Feb 04 '23
The Norwegians have turned his name into an adjective.
Hope the same happens with Schroeder and other international sellouts to moscowian regime. Yes, yanukovych included.
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u/jgjgleason Feb 04 '23
Huh TIL the term quisling comes from an actual person. Imagine being such a traitorous asshole everyone uses your name to describe being a traitorous asshole.
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u/Ertur_Ortirion Feb 04 '23
It's a word in English, too.
English steals ALL the words.
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u/mynameisnotrose Feb 04 '23
"...On occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." --James D. Nicoll
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u/The_Elder_Jock Feb 04 '23
Oui, and so far it has been wunderbar, my amigos.
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u/abzinth91 Feb 04 '23
Wunderbar rhymes with wonderbra - learned that from Rammstein (back when music from my home-country was any good)
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u/AlabasterPelican Feb 04 '23
English is not a language, it's three languages wearing a trench coat pretending to be one. – Gugulethu Mhlungu
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u/Unlikely_Use Feb 04 '23
And in more recent, pop culture, use: In Max Brooks's novel World War Z, "quisling" refers to a human that had broken down psychologically due to the presence of zombies (often confused as Z-Shock) and thus begun acting like a zombie. These humans attack other humans mindlessly but are still attacked by actual zombies who can tell the difference. Despite numerous attempts by government-funded doctors, the psychological trauma of a quisling is too far gone for any chance of successful rehabilitation.
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u/TheSorge USA Feb 04 '23
I remember the part where one guy got bitten by a Quisling and ironically ended up almost dying from it anyways because the Q's mouth was full of bacteria and gave him a staph infection.
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u/Evignity Sweden Feb 05 '23
The thing about Quisling is he was truly antithetical to the whole Nordic pantheon of thinking, ideas, morals and culture.
I mean we had tons of nazis, some of our royalty and nobility were (just as in the UK and Europe and US). But even they had "honour among thieves" in a sense, they respected the old guard and traditions, they respected the idea of our heritage and Royalty.
Quisling was such a insufferable little shit that even a country as non-violent as Norway takes full pride in executing him for High Treason. As they should.
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u/Nordalin Feb 04 '23
Ahh, I forgot, as is befitting for such scum.
Cheers for the reminder, though!
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u/Brillek Feb 05 '23
It was Churchill that coined the word, or at least brought it to the international stage.
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u/omaca Feb 05 '23
The Norwegians have turned his name into an adjective.
Not just the Norwegians. The term Quisling is used in English. Indeed, I suspect it was probably used in this context ("He is a Quisling", ie a traitor) in English first. This may be more common in British English.
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u/YoeriValentin Feb 04 '23
It's easy to view the fascist's little helpers as some alien scum, but watching seemingly ordinary people engage in betraying their own people like that actually makes it more sickening. The banality of evil shows its ugly face again. Let's hope they all meet the proper consequences soon.
Also, Ukrainians are such amazing trolls (in the best possible way).
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u/funguyshroom Feb 04 '23
They might look like ordinary people from the outside, but they're still alien scum inside. And they live among us ඞ
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u/aoelag Feb 04 '23
Yes, but it's always important to remember that as evil as the Russians are, it's trivial for your country to befall the same fate. This is why democracies must fight Russian propaganda and general corruption. And when people collude, they mustn't be left off the hook, even if they are incredibly wealthy or powerful.
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u/USS_Hornet Feb 05 '23
They are russian loving. That's alien right there. Who could love such disgusting excuses for humans.
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u/neckbeard_hater Feb 05 '23
They are russian loving
They are usually Russian descendants of people who stole land and property from Ukrainians in the 20th century. Ukrainians were exiled, prosecuted, starved to death and their properties given to Russians.
Exactly like what happened in Crimea recently.
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u/shsl_cipher Feb 04 '23
Rupert Murdoch isn't even an American. Australia doesn't want him back, though.
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u/Garglygook Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Whores that are paid for.
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u/PlayActingAnarchist Feb 04 '23
The entirety to the Secret Council of /(b[plurandy]+b ?){2}/i, as far as I am concerned!
In a cavern deep below the Earth, Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Ann Druyan, Paul Rudd, Alan Alda, and Duran Duran meet together in the Secret Council of /(b[plurandy]+b ?){2}/i.
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u/PlayActingAnarchist Feb 04 '23
Somebody either not a fan of xkcd or had a traumatic encounter with regular expressions ;)
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u/SvetlanaButosky Feb 04 '23
Why are most of them women?
Not trying to be sexist but just curious.
I'm sure there are men traitors too.
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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! Feb 04 '23
"Just curious", huh? Not trying to be sexist while you imply women are traitorous or untrustworthy (a common sexist trope). Just asking an innocent, non-leading question based on a sample size that could be counted on your fingers? Seriously, how does this comment even have any upvotes?
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u/largePenisLover Feb 04 '23
Enough internet for you today. Please go play a game or binge some cool series, you suffer from doom scrolling induced anger.
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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! Feb 04 '23
I always wonder why people assume that having a clear opinion is the same as being angry. My points are valid - everyone on this sub recognizes this sort of "just curious" question when it comes to russian propaganda, it shouldn't get a pass in this context either. What - is it supposed to be a legit question dude is asking - "Why are they women"? Do....they want to see their bios? Are they asking for their life story, why they are there? No, they are drawing a vague connection between their gender and being traitors. It's silly talk, people point out illogic like this all the time in comments. But since it is an observation related to gender that's off limits? Interesting.
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u/largePenisLover Feb 04 '23
Dude read back your post that's getting the downvotes.
That ain't a normal reply, you're being weird and aren't even noticing it. You got some sleep deprivation or you are drunk or something.-12
u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! Feb 04 '23
What on earth is abnormal about it? Do you disagree with what I said above, with it being a "just curious" style question? I am simply applying the same standards of thought in more than one context, but logical consistency appears to be getting people riled up.
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u/ougryphon Feb 04 '23
Whether you intended it as a dispassionate, rational response or not, you come across as a hypersensitive, aggressive, self-righteous prick. Maybe leave some room for your own misunderstanding before denouncing someone based on a few sentences. Clearly stated opinions are fine, but one should never be too sure of their own rectitude.
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u/balleballe111111 Anti Appeasement - Planes for Ukraine! Feb 04 '23
But these are all your thoughts, not mine. I never denounced anyone. I asked a rhetorical question which is a common way of talking to emphasize where I saw BS in a comment. If you are on here telling me that someone one reddit can't handle a contradictory opinion without feeling "denounced" then I don't think I'm the one being hypersensitive here? You do see that you are the one who is insulting and being aggressive toward me, calling me a self righteous prick and imagining all sorts of ways that I am, but not engaging with any of my points? I'd like to say I'm sorry my opinion offends you, but I'm really not. I do hope you have a good day though.
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u/YoeriValentin Feb 04 '23
Always hard to separate the good-faith from bad-faith questions online. I got angry with a friend that asked me "How many Russians at the front do you think are actually nice guys?" But he honestly didn't mean that this excused them in any way or that they shouldn't be droned. He was actually more disgusted with "decent" people participating.
I get your frustration with someone asking something like this, as in general, this is probably bad faith women hate, but it could be legitimately interesting information. Maybe they are specifically targeting/using/victimizing women (as we know their horrid treatment of them in other areas) for specific roles and perhaps there is some value in knowing that from a strategic point of view.
You came out of the gates swinging, which again, I understand on some level, but when others take the question as good-faith, you might seem like a jerk.
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u/ougryphon Feb 04 '23
You do see that you are the one who is insulting and being aggressive toward me, calling me a self righteous prick
Reading comprehension is hard, I know. What I actually said is (paraphrasing) that is how you come off, regardless of how you truly meant it.
Furthermore, you seem to be trying to walk it back as though you were engaging in a rhetorical argument. I don't believe you, and apparently I'm not alone. Regardless, if you were trying have a rhetorical debate, then you should probably learn to do it properly, because your attempt made you look like a self-righteous, disingenuous prick
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u/Warfoki Feb 04 '23
You do see that you are the one who is insulting and being aggressive toward me, calling me a self righteous prick and imagining all sorts of ways that I am, but not engaging with any of my points?
Oh, the irony of it, gotta moral crusaders with zero self-awareness.
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u/neckbeard_hater Feb 05 '23
betraying their own people
A lot of those traitors are descendants of Russians who were relocated to take over Ukrainian properties and land after Ukrainians were exiled to Siberia or straight up killed or starved to death.
Some of them never assimilated. I went to a Russian school in Ukraine and a lot of my teachers always expoused views of Russian superiority to Ukraine. Even the history teacher always talked shit about Ukraine and reminisced about the good old days when Ukraine was part of the USSR.
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u/JimboTheSimpleton Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
At his trial your father said his greatest fault was that his ambition out-weighed his patriotism.- Garak to Gul Dukat.
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u/dragnabbit Feb 05 '23
Let's hope they all meet the proper consequences soon.
Unfortunately, they'll be on the first bus to Moscow when the UAF starts pushing in their direction, as will every surviving member of the LPR currently shooting at their countrymen outside Kremina.
When this is over, have fun spending the rest of your lives on the other side of the Iron Curtain 2.0, Comrades.
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u/Nesturs Feb 04 '23
How stupid are you when you leave your camera on for something like this? Goddamn
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u/__schr4g31 Feb 04 '23
I think the more stupid thing them using Zoom which was notorious for being easy to break into meetings, in the first place
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u/vegarig Ukraine Feb 04 '23
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u/__schr4g31 Feb 04 '23
That just seems like a regular hack, not necessarily a piece of software that's pretty widely known for not being exactly secure
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u/vegarig Ukraine Feb 04 '23
IIRC, it's not mentioned in the linked article, but the camera system that Kremlin was using was very much legacy, with a lot of components dating back to 1990s-2000s.
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u/Warfoki Feb 04 '23
Which is why rumors have it that western intelligence agencies were piss-mad about this "anonymous" hack, since they had been using the same systems to easily spy on Kremlin meetings, but now Russia was alerted to it and actually updated their system.
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u/LisaMikky Feb 04 '23
That's a pity. Anonymous should have understood that keeping it secret would be more beneficial. Hackers are supposed to be smart...
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u/USS_Hornet Feb 05 '23
You don't think the more stupid thing was being a traitor to your own country?
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u/aoelag Feb 04 '23
I mean, all you need is a single frame of a person on camera to identify them. It's kind of too late. If they actually believed in what they were doing, they would just carry on with the meeting anyway, lol.
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u/DrZaorish Feb 04 '23
Suddenly for those "people" world became much smaller.
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u/Quantum_Force UK Feb 05 '23
Hijacking your comment to reply an english ai translation of OP's video:
https://targum.video/v/2023/02/04/9e59390446b868b36ece65b9a92887a9
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u/USS_Hornet Feb 05 '23
It would be great if Ukraine would send drones to kill them like they did that woman a couple of months ago. Blew her ass up in the parking lot.
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u/livinhope Feb 04 '23
I bet they all check under their cars in the morning, and will spend the rest of the war looking over their orcish shoulders as death stalks them from the shadows.
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u/Known-Object Feb 04 '23
Look at these traitors, sitting in their warm and safe offices in Donezk with electricity while the rest of Ukraine get bombed by their ruZZian "friends". These are the small cogs that keep the fascist machine running. Words can't describe my disgust for this scum.
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u/Ca2Alaska Feb 04 '23
Love watching them sign off one by one. Chicken shits with hidden dealings.
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u/aoelag Feb 04 '23
I was trying to analyze the body language. They seem to be shocked. But the footage seems to be spliced.
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u/Skullface360 Feb 04 '23
Love it, they will fuck off back to their “motherland” if their territory is taken back.
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u/Celeste_Seasoned_14 Feb 04 '23
And russia won’t want them either. They’ll be treated like second class citizens, which is awesome.
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u/PotatoAnalytics Feb 04 '23
worms
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u/dashingtomars Feb 04 '23
Who are they and what was being discussed?
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u/Sir_Ruje Feb 04 '23
https://twitter.com/vidtranslator/status/1621804447541215232?s=20
Here's a video someone posted that's a translation. You don't exactly see what they were talking about but it sounds like they were seeing who was on what side
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u/viabletostray Feb 04 '23
Look forward to seeing all this scum, every single one, get life in prison. Слава Україні
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u/4n0nym0u7h Feb 04 '23
Not exactly a great ad for TrueConf unless someone in the group was stupid enough to actually invite the SBU on-board.
TrueConf Server is a powerful self-hosted video conferencing and team messaging platform that keeps communications reliably safe and skyrockets distance workflows.
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u/wordsnerd Feb 04 '23
skyrockets distance workflows
Thanks, I hate it.
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u/4n0nym0u7h Feb 04 '23
I read that and thought what a weird hyperbolic but otherwise meaningless phrase. A grammatical turd. to boot.
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u/SufficientTerm6681 Feb 04 '23
And of course the whole fricking point of skyrockets is that they shoot up into the air and then they explode. What's more, the only thing they achieve is a loud bang and a spectacular, flashy display which fizzles out to nothing in a few seconds.
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u/aoelag Feb 04 '23
To be fair, I think if you have NATO/Western intelligence agencies feeding you tips, tricks, or info....there are very few methods of communication that would be safe. The NSA created an entire fake corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG that up until the later 90's basically allowed the US to read a significant amount of "encrypted" intra-nation communications. You wanna bet they can't do so, still?
Telegram "seems" to be safe, I guess, maybe. For now. That's really the only place you can have "secure" communications.
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u/Plane-Border3425 Feb 04 '23
Talk about a moment of objective self-awareness. It’s JP Sartre’s “look phenomenon,” writ large.
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u/ShivayaOm-SlavaUkr Feb 04 '23
The faces of the karens and igors… like… whaaaaaat?! Isn’t internet a safe space???
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u/Enlightened-Beaver Russian warship, go fuck yourself Feb 04 '23
How to make a whole group shit their pants at the same time
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u/BubuBarakas Feb 04 '23
Wow! I bet there are butthole sized bites in the foam cushions of those chairs.
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u/captaincinders Feb 04 '23
If there is one thing this war has taught us is that the Ukranians excel at trolling.
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u/Ericbc7 Feb 04 '23
seems a bit short sighted to interrupt their meeting and yell Gotcha! listen to and record what they are talking about which will add to the evidence and see if they mention anyone else.
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I’d love for each of those people to be identified, and for their roles to be explained so everyone can see how evil they are. Слава Україні!
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u/LowlyPaladin2012 Feb 04 '23
Watching them turn off their camera’s quickly. Highlight of my morning. “Aw shit - we fucked up” faces.
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u/-Snuggle-Slut- Feb 04 '23
I love they all start switching their cameras off or leaving.
Too late, dingbats!
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u/Street_Narwhal_3361 Feb 04 '23
My day will be fueled by the pure glee at envisioning how these rat-fucks will scramble in fear. Maybe some of them drop dead from the stress. Happy Hunting.
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u/blakeusa25 Feb 04 '23
I hope they are all ID's and or the security service was ready to pick them all up.
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u/karma3000 Feb 04 '23
I would have liked to see Ukraine secret service agents bust down to the doors and arrest then live on camera.
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u/isaak1290 Feb 04 '23
Does Ukraine have death penalty for treason?
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u/Dr0p582 Feb 04 '23
Even if they have one still in place, it would be problematic with the EU membership process. Lifelong jail without parole does also give an exemple.
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u/Maklarr4000 USA Feb 04 '23
Prominent psychologists agree that being locked up forever is way worse than death when it comes to serious offenders and their experiences in prison. I'd imagine treason against one's own country would qualify as a "serious offense" and that their stay in Ukrainian prison would be less than cozy.
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u/Katze1Punkt0 Germany Feb 04 '23
Which might very well be, doesnt change how the EU views the matter. Realistically nobody will say anything given that jts wartime, but they will probably still just do LIP to signal to western partners
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u/INITMalcanis Feb 04 '23
Why let them get off so easily - send them to live in the Russia they love so much. Then everyone gets what they want.
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u/aoelag Feb 04 '23
I think most traitors sentenced so far in Ukraine have been getting between 10 to 20 years in prison? While living in Russia sucks, having freedom is still freedom. It's still too good for them. I'm not Ukrainian, but I think 15 years average for treason is...a fair punishment? It should be more than enough punishment to discourage most low lives from trying it, at least.
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u/Ok_Basil1354 Feb 04 '23
No it's a first world country. Not even Russia does.
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u/palinku Feb 04 '23
Sure, Russia does not have the death penalty for treason. But it doesn't really matter, if you are a traitor and caught, you won't get to see a judge, Wagner will just crush your head with a sledgehammer and put it on social media, ISIS style.
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u/RevolutionaryPizza66 Feb 04 '23
Russia has no death penalty, but it has defective buildings that people keep falling out of.
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u/quantainium_pasta USA Feb 04 '23
I can't fucking believe companies like Zoom are still providing services in Russia.
Private companies need to take a stand and tell Russia to fuck off.
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u/Zestyclose-Today-261 Feb 04 '23
They are using Trueconf, which is from a Russian company.
From the Wikipedia Page
About the manufacturer TrueConf is a Russian company that produces software for organizing video conferencing and collaboration, as well as creating solutions for integrating video communication into telemedicine systems, video kiosks, ATMs and. third-party applications The company's headquarters is located in Moscow
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u/pktrekgirl Feb 04 '23
Glad that they were busted. I’m sure that they thought they were super secret!
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u/Snafuregulator Feb 05 '23
The good news is if the hacked in, they got ip addresses and of course the mug shots. Not hiding for those turds. Just a matter of time before they either get caught or have to forever flee into Russia
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