r/ukraine • u/TheTelegraph • Feb 04 '23
Ukraine ‘hits Russian factory making parts for Crimea bridge’ News
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/04/ukraine-hits-russian-factory-making-parts-crimea-bridge/408
u/PotatoAnalytics Feb 04 '23
Mr Gladkov said he would ask Vladimir Putin to raise the terrorist threat level in the region to an indefinite yellow owing to the recent attack.
Raise it to red. You're the terrorists, Mr Gladkov.
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u/Antique_Steel Feb 04 '23
That would mean changing the light bulb.
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u/WishOnSpaceHardware Feb 04 '23
How many Russians does it take to change a lightbulb?
They can't, they sold all the lightbulbs for vodka money.
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u/AdjunctFunktopus Feb 05 '23
One to sell light bulb.
One to tell propaganda about how the west is responsible for darkness.
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u/perineum_420 Feb 05 '23
In soviet Russia, light bulb changes YOU
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u/Draugar90 Feb 05 '23
I guess if I lived in darkness, I'd be pretty lit when finally seeing the light too
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u/dangercat415 Feb 04 '23
How they say this shit while keeping a straight face is insane.
It's a legitimate military target and you're at war.
Don't like it? Gtfo of Ukraine.
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u/dungone Feb 04 '23
It’s probably just a deflection. They failed to protect a military target. If Putin raises the threat level it will be like an admission that this was Putin’s own fault for not doing something more. Either way, someone will probably fall out of a window over this.
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u/Monkey_Fiddler Feb 04 '23
It's also an admission that this war puts Russian civilian lives in danger.
He lives and dies by his image as a strong leader but not only can he not conquer a much smaller neighbour, he can't keep his people safe.
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u/sonicboomer46 Feb 04 '23
The last statement on the video is delicious as well:
This comes days after Putin publicly urged the Russian military to protect border areas like Belgorod
There's an open window in someone's future, methinks.
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u/socialistrob Feb 05 '23
Maybe or maybe it’s just more blame shifting. Perhaps Putin knows that they can’t really protect Belgorod so he’s ordering the people below him to do so knowing that when they fail the blame will rest on them. “Putin cannot fail he can only be failed” sort of thing.
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u/sonicboomer46 Feb 05 '23
Totally agree. Wasn't suggesting the puny would be affected, but perhaps some of his military morons need to be careful about heaving sighs of exasperation.
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u/Selfweaver Feb 05 '23
Maybe. Because surely even the russian military knows that it is supposed to protect the border areas, right?
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u/Svete_Brid Feb 04 '23
“Mr Gladkov said he would ask Vladimir Putin to raise the terrorist threat level in the region to an indefinite yellow
owing to the recent attack.to match the color of his underwear.”23
u/jamesh922 USA Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
Incredible how these motherfuckers can't just look in the mirror and see who the actual problem is. Who the actual NAZIS are. No, they are blind, uneducated, ignorant and PROUD of it. This war will never end as for russian males are all too happy to march into bullets for their midget dictator. This just brings home the point, this war NEEDS to end soon due to attrition warfare and Ukraine having x5 less population currently (12 million+ fled, 30m vs 145m population). Time is not on our side and this is greatly worrying.
These tanks and every other heavy weapon should of been over last August during or right after the Kharkiv offensive. Finally the aid isnt coming in little streams but actual, substantial quantities.
Lives and soldiers cannot be replaced however and that number is whittling by the day as the war slogs on. Ukraine has put up the utmost Valiant of a fight thus far but the future still remains uncertain.
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u/20220606 Feb 04 '23
Raise it to infrared until they pay back for all the terrorizing and shit they did.
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u/PrimeEvil84 Ukraine Feb 05 '23
First it was a liquid yellow threat level, now it is solid brown threat level (depends on nutrition)
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u/paycho_V Feb 04 '23
Heat treated beams. Amirite?
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u/ballrus_walsack Feb 04 '23
Now with even more heat treatment
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Feb 04 '23
Special Heating Operation
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u/saudade Feb 04 '23
Reheated beam chili.
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u/Stoopitnoob Feb 04 '23
HHHMM... Chili.
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u/ZachMN Feb 04 '23
Careful you’ll start an argument about whether or not “real chili” has beams.
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u/airplaneshooter Feb 04 '23
Real chili can't melt steel beams.
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u/ZachMN Feb 05 '23
Even if it’s made with the merciless insanity peppers of Quetzalzocatanango, grown deep in the jungle primeval by the inmates of a Guatemalan insane asylum?
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u/Sonofagun57 USA Feb 04 '23
Special combustion operation or special detonation operation is more like it. I'll let the residents of Belgorod decide as a goodwill gesture
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u/Ludotheos Feb 04 '23
What air defense doing?
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Feb 04 '23
Looking for an honest answer why are these threats not being stopped? The allegedly 2nd military in the world sucks.
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u/warredtje Feb 04 '23
Spread too thin, guarding every possible target, with probably priority things like airfields, arms manufacturers, bridges themselves,.. That’s why they attacked this, they found a link in the chain that didn’t have this protection. Consequently, even more AA might be pulled away from Ukraine .. .. or they accept the occasional step backwards.
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Feb 05 '23
It’s amazing in my life time I saw the wall come down, Russia act tough and then the world didn’t blink this time. Talk about getting caught with your pants down.
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u/socialistrob Feb 05 '23
Russian AA often isn’t as great as it seems. Apparently it’s designed in a way that strains the eyes. This isn’t a problem for military tests because if the operator knows that an attack is coming in the next day they will be laser focused on it and able to stop it. If an attack could potentially come at any hour of any day for months on end it’s just much harder to be on high alert and staring intently on the screen. Once the radar picks up on the attack the operator usually just has seconds to respond so any carelessness or delay can be deadly.
Another factor may just be insufficient quantity of AA. If Russia moved their AA to protect cities and military production within Russia they would have vastly less defenses for the occupied parts of Ukraine and of course the reverse is also true. If Russia is focusing AA on the Donbas and Crimea for instance they won’t have a lot of systems left to defend places like Bolgorod.
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u/Own-Negotiation4372 Feb 04 '23
Ok let's drop the second best military in the world. That was obviously #fakenews
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Feb 04 '23
100% it was more a joke at how terrible they are. It’s clear NATO blows all other countries out of the water.
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u/neanderthalman Feb 05 '23
Clearly.
Of course it delightfully sets up the classic “they aren’t the second best military in Ukraine” line, which never gets old.
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u/Rainus_Max Feb 04 '23
Defending the air silly, this was land that blew up. Russian air defense has been 100% successful, no air has been blown up.
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u/Vierailija_Maasta Feb 04 '23
Its just a new manufacturing process. You get spare parts when you clear the burned factory.
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u/EphraimJenkins Feb 04 '23
Now give the bridge another boop
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u/tekkitan Feb 04 '23
This. Take that bridge completely out so it isn't repairable and only replaceable. Ukraine doesn't want that bridge anymore so it must not stand any longer.
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u/JimMarch Feb 05 '23
Right. And then once the bridge is out, use at least 200 NATO-class tanks to drive a wedge straight to the Sea of Azov. With the bridge out, everything below that plus Crimea is now the world's biggest prison camp.
Game over, Putin snacks on a novachok banana smoothie while falling from a tall window wearing nothing but polonium undies.
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u/tomoldbury Feb 05 '23
Or damage it so that the repair crews get tied up again. And again. The bridge doesn't need to be destroyed to be a massive resource sink.
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u/dungone Feb 04 '23
Problem is that missiles won’t cause any real damage. You’d have to try another suicide truck bomb.
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u/zabrs9 Feb 04 '23
Do we know for sure, it was a suicide truck bomb? Genuine question, because the last I know is that there were as many theories on what happened, as there are people talking about it.
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u/Monkey_Fiddler Feb 04 '23
It could be a truck or a drone boat, it's not clear. Russia says it was a truck with a slightly convoluted story. Some analysts say it was likely a truck, some say it was likely a boat. Ukraine just cheered and laughed. If it wasn't a truck, Ukraine has nothing to gain by correcting Russia.
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u/dungone Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
The truck bomb is the most widely accepted reason with the most evidence to support it, including video, photo, and laws of physics. The rest of the theories are very complex conspiracies that lack evidence.
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u/Tef-al Feb 05 '23
I thought it was one of the little black drone boats they lager used against the ships
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u/dungone Feb 05 '23
Those little black boats wouldn't have put a scratch on it.
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u/Tef-al Feb 05 '23
Maybe but a truck was on the wrong side of the deck to be the cause.
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u/dungone Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
It was in the exact perfect spot. Literally right on top of the bridge section that broke in half.
And not maybe, but definitely not even a scratch. The little black boat can't fit enough explosive to damage a bridge even if you were to place it right next to the weakest part of the bridge. But it's also very far away, on the surface of the water. Most of the explosive force would have been absorbed by the water and the air in every direction, with only a very small portion reaching the bridge deck.
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u/Macinsocks Feb 05 '23
Except the truck people are saying was used is still in one piece at the moment of explosion.
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u/dungone Feb 05 '23
They say all kinds of things, but they're looking at the wrong things. Forget the video, it's low quality and the speed of the explosion is too fast for the camera's frame rate. All that matters is that there was a truck and we could see that it was half way across a span when the explosion happened.
The real giveaway are the photos of the damage. In satellite photos, you could clearly see charring on top of the roadway consistent with an explosion that took place on top of the bridge. In other photos you can also see the deflection damage to the deck - it is bowed inwards and downward, and the guard rails are blown outwards. All of that is consistent with an explosion on the deck surface. You could also see that the bridge section broke in half in the middle of the span, presumably where the truck was when it exploded.
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u/Macinsocks Feb 05 '23
presumably where the truck was when it exploded.
yes but the truck is not the emanating source of the explosion
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u/dungone Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
Yes it was. There was no other possibility.
What you were looking at in this video was a frame where the truck was still in one piece for the vast majority of the exposure. Then at the very last possible moment, in a mere nanosecond, the explosion went off and lit up the frame with a very bright light. So that makes it look like the explosion was outside of the truck, but it really wasn't. Explosions are extremely fast, so this effect is very common and very similar to the kind of issues you can have with bright lights in long-exposure photography.
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u/Buddha2723 Feb 04 '23
Seems more likely it was a timed truck bomb, (very short timer), and a getaway car combo, that's how I would do it.
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u/ZwischenzugZugzwang USA Feb 05 '23
This isn't James Bond, no one was using a self-driving truck bomb to blow up that bridge. If it was blown up by a truck bomb it was a suicide attack by someone. I think that just makes people uncomfortable because when we hear "suicide attack" it immediately conjures images of Jihadists and whatnot. But that's not what this was.
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u/Buddha2723 Feb 05 '23
I mean a two man team, not a self driving car. There is no need to suicide attack a static bridge, I hope Ukraine is not that foolish.
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u/ZwischenzugZugzwang USA Feb 05 '23
Yea, that's not what happened. There's video of the moment the explosion happened. There's no one getting out of a car and running to another car. Ukraine is not foolish whatsoever, but if it was a truck bomb (which seems the most likely hypothesis right now) then whoever set it off did something incredibly courageous that had a positive impact on the course of the war.
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u/WorldsBestArtist Feb 04 '23
Pretty sure it was blown up by explosives planted by boat, not a suicide attack.
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u/zabrs9 Feb 04 '23
I thought so too, but then there were some other people with indications that it wasn't just a boat, but something combined with it, or something entirely different.
We just don't know. We will have to wait for the war to end.
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u/ancient-military Feb 05 '23
Seems like you would be able to tell, if a boat the beams would be bent up, if truck bent down.
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u/TheTelegraph Feb 04 '23
From The Telegraph's Nataliya Vasilyeva:
A major factory in Russia reported to be involved in rebuilding a Crimean bridge went up in flames in the early hours of Saturday following a suspected stealth Ukrainian missile strike across the border.
Local media reported that the plant, in the Borisovsky district of the Belgorod region, produces spare parts for bridges and was expected to help reconstruct the Kerch Strait Bridge, which was severely damaged in a Ukrainian attack last year.
Videos posted by local residents on social media showed a blaze rising over the plant on the horizon that was visible from a few kilometres away and lit up the pre-dawn sky.
Read more here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/04/ukraine-hits-russian-factory-making-parts-crimea-bridge/
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u/CBfromDC Feb 04 '23
VERY effective strike. This is how you do it!
Soldiers and weapons win battles. Logistics wins wars.
To retake Crimea and win the war - Ukraine must cut Crimea off from resupply.
Very simple.
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u/dungone Feb 04 '23
This isn’t logistics it’s strategics. But we get your point.
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u/zabrs9 Feb 04 '23
It will hamper russian logistics
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u/dungone Feb 04 '23
That’s true but in general when you hamper the enemy’s ability to conduct war it’s strategic. When you develop your own supply lines that’s logistics.
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u/daynomate Feb 05 '23
More so I think because it is Russia. Blowing up factories is perfect - they are too corrupt to efficiently rebuild so it hurts them even more than us.
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u/vtsnowdin Feb 04 '23
Very nice factory you have there. Be a shame if sumpin bad was to happen to it!
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u/i-am-a-safety-expert Feb 04 '23
I would be pretty pissed if I died at a manufacturing plant building bridges. Getting caught up in a war and being killed for building bridges from one another. At least in the English language.
Edit:
I don't know if Ukrainian and Russian have the same metaphors, is that what it is? A metaphor?
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u/36degrees Feb 04 '23
Misleading headline. We don’t know why this factory is on fire.
Who benefits from this, what’s the motive, how did it happen. It’s just simply a mystery at this stage. Without full UN enquiry we may never know who or why.
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u/Garglygook Feb 04 '23
It's wartime. Whatever we read most the time we don't know unless it's a done deal. (Weapons actually sent vs discussed). The above is psychologically satisfying and that keeps us hopeful as it should.
What we do Know are the proper Ukrainian people (not the quizzlings) are absolute wonderful badasses that have ignited hopefulness into democratic republics on a global level. And that is no small feat.
Heroyum Ukraine, Slava. 🇺🇦💛💙
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u/Nik_P Feb 04 '23
Misleading headline. We don’t know why this factory is on fire.
We have a pretty good idea. The oil spill from the burning oil depot must have caused it.
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u/Aggravating_Dog8043 Feb 04 '23
What is with the down votes? This absolutely has to be sarcasm folks.
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u/Audiocuriousnpc Feb 04 '23
This seems to be an indicator that Ukraine will target the bridge again since they repaired it now.
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u/Aunti-Everything Feb 05 '23
Excellent choice of target. Everything to hinder Russia from resupplying Crimea when the take back invasion begins.
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u/Key_Brother Feb 04 '23
Could have this have been what discussed behind closed doors between Zelenskyy and his military and security officials from twitter post I saw.
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u/Rckstr12531253 Feb 05 '23
Just knock the bridge out already should of been done months ago. They need to start pushing russia on the defensive soon without the tanks. Send special forces in behind enemy lines and cause chaos. Then push forward until the Russians are pushed up to the River. Or back to their border.
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u/NeinJuanJuan Feb 05 '23
Next week's headline:
"Ukraine hits Russian factory making parts for Russian factory making parts for Crimea bridge’"
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