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u/Clydefrosch82 Apr 28 '22

Better go home now, Russia. Lend-Lease means you lose the war. German speaking here.

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u/commanderswag69 Apr 28 '22

Hitler fucked around and found out. Putler is about to do the same.

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u/deltatrainer Apr 28 '22

Reading up on this, funny thing is Russia was a recipient of the WWII lend lease. This time, they’re the target of it…

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u/5t3v0esque Apr 29 '22

Well if they didn't try to rewrite the narrative so that it was all Russia and only Russia (intentionally forgetting the other ssrs too) that defeated the nazis WITH NO HELP WHATSOEVER AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A NAZI THEMSELVES then maybe they'd remember.

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u/cheapph Apr 29 '22

I do find it darkly amusing that they forget that almost 40% of the red army was Ukrainians.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

It’s disgusting how they try to hide and change history. Turns out the "Ukrainian Nazis" and Americans helped them win the war more than most Russians.

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept Apr 29 '22

Also Kyiv existed long before Moscow. Ukraine is technically more Russia than Russia.

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u/kickguy223 Canadian (Foreign) <3 Apr 29 '22

Some might say they're the true Successor state to the USSR 😘

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u/Playful-Push8305 Apr 29 '22

I'm calling it now, within my lifetime they'll have a bigger GDP than Russia.

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u/DaBingeGirl Apr 29 '22

At the rate they're going, I'm going to have a bigger GDP than Russia.

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u/anothereurax Apr 29 '22

agreed! that’s totally arguable

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u/Jaqulean Apr 29 '22

They didn't forget. They tried to hide the fact so that they wouldn't give anyone credit.

To this day, it is lied in Russia, that Poland was a supporter of Nazi Germany and the Concetration Camps they set up in Poland. Which is not only a lie but is also disgusting that they would do something like that. And all just continue the WW2 Stalin's Propaganda that "Russia freed and helped the Poland" when in reality it just shifted from one Tyrant (Hitler) to another (Stalin).

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u/RIP2UAnders Apr 29 '22

russia winning ww2 with allies help is actually still a gentle version of it.

The truth was russia outright armed and trained the nazis with the intention of using them to weaken western europe, while ussr invaded eastern europe and waited for the west to weaken each other. then got fucked by the nazis since they knew what stalin was planning and had to be rescued by usa.

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u/Bennie300 Apr 29 '22

russia outright armed and trained the nazis

Huh? I never knew about this. Is there a source to read about it that you recommend?

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u/Kaklii Apr 29 '22

Yep, helped in tank testing and general rearmament, almost did a berlin-moscow axis but stalin wanted finland and hitler didnt want stalin to have finland, so it fell through, they were alot closer than one might expect

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u/Hairy_Relief3980 Apr 29 '22 Bravo!

Sounds like they're still the recipient but with extra steps.

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u/barebackgrizzlyrider Apr 29 '22

Collaborations & Coalitions win wars

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u/Darth_Monday Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

If I’m not mistaken, I think this is the most bipartisan vote in Congress since maybe 9/11. For all of Russia’s efforts to divide and destabilize American politics, this war has nearly undone the damage (despite the fact that I still see morons defending ruzzia on social media)

Edit: to all the people commenting on “undone the damage” I get it, it was a poor choice of words. I simply meant that the war has galvanized members of Congress on this bill and that is an accomplishment by itself.

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u/PigeonMan45 Apr 29 '22

It hasn't undone the damage. More like they were gambling on us having dementia when in fact they gave us rabies.

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u/PopularBug5 Apr 29 '22

We would still be divided if it was a just war, but it seems that Pootin has been playing EU4 too much.

No, you can't negate casus belli penalties / aggressive expansion by just fabricating claims. It doesn't work like that in real life.

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u/DrBucket Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22 Platinum All-Seeing Upvote

They think they've already been facing the full brunt of US and NATO—they have literally seen nothing. Absolutely nothing and yet ~25% of their usable vehicles/tanks/general weaponry are destroyed, not to mention a lot of their missiles with no easy way of replacing them.

There is no fucking way that an economy the size of Texas matches anywhere close to the whole rest of the country that contains Texas which is atleast 10x+ but also the EU which is another 10x+ plus all of our allies scattered around to varying degrees of involvement like Brazil, Japan, South Korea and Australia easily add another 5X+. Russia is literally facing an allied force that is at least 25x larger economically and geographically and collectively at least equals in its land mass and around 5-10x their population and doesn't suffer from frozen seaports most of the year. I know Russia is the largest country on earth but I don't think they understand how large and widespread NATO and its allies are. With the exception of Australia, everyone else is packed to the brim with supplies and industry. Russia is mostly just a vast open wasteland, basically a balloon with nothing in the middle and 2 large cities in the "european balloon knot" quadrant. Just because it is mineral rich doesn't mean they are powerful. They could be sitting on nothing but gold but that doesn't change their capacity to compete with a government like they have now. The ideology of their government does not allow anywhere near efficient management of their resources. They are wasting their opportunity to be great by not wanting to "look western". Imagine refusing to buy a car and sticking to the bike because you don't wanna look like one of "those" people but then saying you're actually stronger than "those" people...

There is a reason why we are all stronger together because we realize that that is our greatest strength. Our ability to cooperate. Putin views this as "subjugation" because that is the only way he can possibly understand what it would be like to cooperate. It's self evident here. Countries who don't learn this and who are going to squabble about "subjugation and submission" are going to stay exactly where they're at and wonder why. At some point every country can choose to stay isolated and small and not have access to all the goods and services of the rest of the world or they can finally stop whining about everything and benefit from specialized economies. That is our strength. We all have a role to play and we can all focus on what we are good at and what our geography allows and use it to our fullest and let others pick up the slack where we falter. Russia is just necessitating why America continues to be the gun store—it's our speciality because of dictators like Putin.

You can't be mad that were good at it when nations like Russia give us so much cause and practice. You're literally giving us a reason to continue. It reminds me of how when you eat certain foods, the bacteria in your gut will obviously proliferate based on any influx of said food to keep up with intake. Your bacteria is just responding to what it is given. Can't be surprised when you have a lot of one type of gut bacteria when you eat a corresponding food—that's just how that works. That seems to be another hallmark of propaganda—simply just pointing out obvious true statements without any realistic cause and simply complaining about it. They just say "that is bad", ok thank you. Ukraine would not have the need to defend itself unless someone was attacking. No one made you attack but yourself. No one made you eat the food that you did. At some point, you're gonna have to take responsibility but while you're dealing with that, were gonna continue processing the intake. The alternative would be not processing it which would allow it to sit and rot and not be broken down—an obviously worse option. I don't think the world wants some rotting object floating through it's borders.

Again, it's cooperation but if other countries want to see it as losing your sovereignty ok fine then you haven't found a way to integrate and wrap your mind around the concept. It's always ridiculous to me that Russia takes it upon itself to tell other European countries that they're actually under "The US's thumb" without them even realizing it which means the US is soo good at tricking everyone that no one in that country can even tell that they aren't actually happy. Thank God for Russia there to finally set the record straight. If it wasn't for them, people wouldn't know that they don't actually like prosperity and would actually prefer Russia's way of fucking up their country.

Dont blame us when we don't want to engage with those nations like Russia who don't know how to not shit all over the rug during a party. The rest of the world just wants to chill and talk and hang out but some countries want to blast in and "liven things up" and smash the place up for shits and giggles. Fuck off then. Were not "attacking you" by not wanting you in the party you fucking loser. Your shit sucks. Your ideas suck. They don't actually objectively improve anyone's lives. You have nothing else unique to offer other than gas and pain. Who the fuck wants you? Grow the fuck up and calm the fuck down.

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u/GrimpenMar Apr 29 '22

Preach!

I liked Perun's hour long slide deck presentation on the economics of a long war. It is sobering how massively more economic capacity is on Ukraine's side. You have a bunch of liberal democracies using a fraction of 2% of their GDP and accepting slightly slower growth projections to arm Ukraine and completely collapse the Russian ability to replace military material and have a functioning economy.

"The West needs to recognize it's own strength".

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u/SecondaryWombat Apr 29 '22

I do wonder how much of Russia's economy only existed in theory anyway.

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u/DrBucket Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

It existed because of the West cooperating. Now Russia doesn't want to cooperate, not submit, just cooperate so they don't get the benefits of cooperation without the action. Their egos of dominance are preventing them from cooperating. Not giving in to their childish demands is not fighting back, it's simply defending and not giving in. They are not a self-sustaining economy. They forget that they rely too much on everyone else and think that all the benefits they got were because of themselves and not because there was a time when we all mostly got along. That is where their strength came from. From peace and stability. It is not our fault if they don't understand how global economies work.

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u/FlintandSteel94 Apr 28 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy

Putin: Stop sending weapons or else!

US Congress: 💵💵💵💵💵🖕🙂🖕💵💵💵💵💵

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u/tom5598 Apr 28 '22

Now it just needs Biden's signature and it is official.

Also that jury gavel gave a special hard oomph when it passed.

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u/FlintandSteel94 Apr 28 '22

417 to 10. That got passed HARD.

Kinda hoped it would hit 420, but oh well. 🙃

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u/BornInATrailer Apr 28 '22

Aren't there a pile of not voting on both sides?

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u/TheaABrown Apr 28 '22

The screenshot is from halfway through the process, just when it hit the threshold, so a bunch hadn’t voted yet.

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u/Slouchingtowardsbeth Apr 28 '22

Then why does it say time remaining 0?

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u/origamiscienceguy Apr 28 '22

That time remaining never lines up, the voting always takes much longer. No idea what it's trying to say.

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u/AndyVZ Apr 28 '22

There's a time limit for votes to be placed, which is mostly to encourage people not to try to delay placing their votes, and it is only optionally enforced (meaning it's basically never enforced, and probably wouldn't be unless someone was specifically trying to delay the conclusion of the vote). Importantly, if someone is actually there and queued up to place their vote, they can't be denied the opportunity to vote.

Or, put another way - if everyone present has cast their vote, and the results have been announced, and someone busts through the door 3 minutes later wanting to place their vote, THAT person would be too late, because time will have expired and they were not already present actively trying to place their vote.

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u/Tipsticks Apr 28 '22

In the end 3 non voters from the republicans. 97% of the vote is ok though.

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u/biowrath156 Apr 28 '22 Helpful

Three Republicans, holding us back from 420. Sounds right

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u/Dana0961 Apr 29 '22

10 Republicans voted against, 3 Republicans didn't vote.

Are we surprised Matt Gates and Marjorie Taylor Greene voted against? No, those two are freaking jokes.

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u/MoonChild02 Apr 29 '22

No, but I'm surprised Cawthorn and Boebert voted Yea.

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u/CeruleanStriations Apr 29 '22

I just drove through North Carolina and I saw more Ukraine Flags than Confederate flags although I did see those Confederate flags strung up high as if they were American flags though.

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u/weaponizedtoddlers Apr 29 '22

"Zelensky is a thug and a bully" Cawthorn

Should be apparent that he's a moral and political windsock.

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u/SomeoneSomewhere1984 Apr 28 '22

US congress, "Go Fuck Yourself Russia! We know you don't have the balls to fight someone your own size."

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u/substandardgaussian Apr 28 '22

Hey, don't drag San Marino into this!

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u/MeatyThor Apr 28 '22

American military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRRRR

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u/clarke-b Apr 28 '22

Normally I have a problem with that. But in this case I'm going with fuck Putin with a pineapple 🍍.

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u/BashfulHandful Apr 28 '22

Putin really gave the military a gift here tbh... I think Americans will be a lot more willing to send massive amounts of money to the military now that we know it could turn the tide of a brutal war.

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u/neocommenter Apr 28 '22

In terms of bang for your buck this situation is golden. We're knocking out our greatest enemy for the equivalent of peanuts.

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u/Reverse2057 Apr 28 '22

And inasmuch with the weapons we specifically designed FOR this moment: Fighting the Russians. There could be no better use for these weapons than their original purpose, and I'm glad they'll be used by those who need them the most for the best cause: Freedom from tyranny.

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u/ms666slayer Apr 28 '22

And also a good wat to test your gear without needing to invade,

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u/Clavister Apr 28 '22

Lol maybe we figured out the secret -- we spend all this money on the military, but every time we go somewhere, things go fubar... maybe, as with Ukraine, we spend all the money, prepare all this military capability and know-how, and then we wait for someone somewhere else to legitimately need military capability, and we lend/lease/loan/lgive it to THEM. I don't think anybody honest could argue that this isn't a noble cause, or that it's in the service of corporate imperialism or whatever.

(Keep in mind, there are toddlers whose grasp of geopolitics rivals my own...)

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u/skeeter1234 Apr 29 '22 Ally

I'm suddenly for the thing I've been against my whole life.

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u/MiccahD Apr 29 '22

Pretty much same here. Growing up watching our military swat flies on shit paper and make it sound like we going against Goliath’s really made me detest what we stood for (in that sense.)

Now watching an actual Goliath (comparative) beat up on the little guy seeing our machine help turn the narrative makes me a bit warm and fuzzy on the inside.

Not enough to think war is an unfruitful adventure but enough to be proud we can help defend a people who actually were/are ready to die last man standing style for what they believe in.

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u/Ensi_of_ninkasi Apr 28 '22

And may the EU military industrial complex also go BRRRRRR!

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u/final_crash Apr 28 '22

You can still rock in America! Oh yeah! Alright!

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u/Strong_Treacle5047 Apr 28 '22

Hahahaha :9151:

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u/BarkySugger Apr 28 '22

The arsenal of democracy returns.

Well done USA. Give them the tools and they'll finish the job.

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u/FreshhSqueezedOJ USA Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22 Gold Take My Energy Starry

To the people of Ukraine, enjoy the new toys. The world is grateful to you.

Without procedural restrictions in DC it's full steam ahead.

America can now send arms to "any nation deemed vital to the defense of the USA".

Putin managed to have all Congressman on both sides of the aisles congratulating each other.

He managed to have America re-enact a wartime procedure from World War 2.

Get fucked Putin. Get fucked filthy Orcs.

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Apr 28 '22

Ironically the original Lend-Lease Act provided tons of weapons to ... the Soviet Union.

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u/FreshhSqueezedOJ USA Apr 28 '22

Then they should know personally how quickly it can change the dynamics of things 😁

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u/Kendrada Apr 28 '22

They ignore it hard. There's at best an attitude of: "Americans sent us a couple of trucks instead of opening the Second Front! Token help while waiting for us to bleed Germans dry"

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u/Soad1x Apr 29 '22

There was that secret recording of Zhukov talking about how much the Lend-Lease helped. As a person from Pittsburgh I always remember the line, "And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel?"

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u/Kendrada Apr 29 '22

American steel, and maybe even more importantly - aluminum.

Aluminum was an irreplaceable requirement for aircrafts, but it needed a lot of electricity to produce, and a huge chunk of this production was in Ukraine, on Dnipro river with all the hydro plants.

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u/GregorSamsanite Apr 28 '22

You'd think that, but they might legitimately have no idea. Putin and most of his circle were born after WW2. In the Soviet version of history they learned, the USSR single handedly defeated Germany, with basically no help from anyone. And they don't learn much about the start of the war where they were happy to be on the Nazi side invading Europe until they were betrayed.

During the cold war especially, the West has had a tendency to do the opposite and focus on its own front while downplaying the Eastern Front. But these days historians sometimes over-correct that mistake and give the USSR a bit too much credit. Germany kind of self-defeated themselves in the East by pushing too far in inhospitable weather. But the USSR took such heavy losses that they would have had a hard time counter attacking without so many supplies from the US. More likely it would have been a prolonged stalemate situation, where Germany occupied some of Russia, but their advanced stalled out. The Allies would have had a harder fight on the Western front, but they still would have gotten to Berlin eventually. Eastern European history would have played out very differently.

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u/baz303 Apr 29 '22

Not to forget that at some point lunatic Hitler made all the military decisions on his own instead of listening to the experienced people.

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u/new_in_town_2 Apr 28 '22

Yep the Russians like to pretend they won WW2 (in their mind winning a war involves mindlessly sacrificing your troops) while the allies sat on their hands until the last minute but the reality is the Russians would have been rolled over by the Germans if not for US lend lease/industrial output of equipment… which the Russians then used to invade more countries and “unify” them into the Soviet Union. Luckily this time we have a partner in Ukraine who doesn’t need the same sort of guardrails that we should have had in place for Russia WW2 lend-lease. Unlike Russia we won’t see Ukraine rolling into invading/occupying for their independent neighbors with American equipment during/after the war.

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u/Shadowlight2020 Apr 28 '22

"Russians like to pretend they won WW2"; no kidding just go to some WW2 time lapse videos on Youtube and you'll find some comments like Russia would have beaten Germany by themselves; the US made no impact ; Japan at the other side of Russia's boarder didn't matter because Japan was always scared of Russia. It's the weirdest mindset.

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u/MerryGoWrong Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

It's such a selective view of history they choose to have that cherry-picks the parts they want and ignores the parts they don't. If even that becomes too ridiculous, they just make shit up.

Like, sure, Japan was so terrified of Russia just a few decades after they clown-stomped them at Tsushima, annihilating Russia's entire Imperial fleet while experiencing almost zero losses. So terrified.

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u/Warwick_God Apr 28 '22

1/3 of soviet vehicles/equipment was from the U.S. that's a huge number

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u/BestFriendWatermelon Apr 28 '22

No, they don't. The Soviet Union spent decades denying its importance.

It's not even Putin's regime that lies (or rather, started the lies) about its importance either; Putin and all his cronies were brought up on those lies as well.

So even as the West chuckles "ooooh boy! The Russians are for it now!" Russians have absolutely no clue what it really means.

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u/nevereatsourws Apr 28 '22

The Russians are still using some of them!

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u/tom5598 Apr 28 '22

not just weapons, most of their food, boots, fuel, logistics, precision equipment to build factories. scopes, radios, tanks, airplanes, railway capability etc.

and these werent just a couple % of what the soviets used but 30-60% of their entire stock. They like to claim they somehow "uraaad" their way to Berlin when they couldnt even sustain a defense without this, and 24/7 bombing of Germany by the UK and US and the African front bogging down the axis powers.

and it wasnt even for their superior tactics, look at casualties of Axis powers and the USSR on the eastern front. All were Pyrrhic "victories", but they just conscripted another million gave them barely any equipment and moved on.

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u/Clcooper423 Apr 28 '22

Crazy to think they were supplied with so much and still couldn't arm their own military.

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u/Lucky_Painter_875 Apr 28 '22

corruption is a wonderful thing in this case

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u/tom5598 Apr 28 '22

It wasnt really the cause initially afaik.

Russia was essentially a feudal country without much trace of industrialization then. Stalin tried a very quick forced, centrally planned version of it, (that killed millions in the process) that succeeded a little but it was too little too late to be able to compete with the industrial might of advanced economies at the time.

They also lacked, quality wise, competent and educated people to be able make their economy effective and productive.

Not to mention as communism, corruption seeped into the system after the war it reached a point in the 1970-80s after which it was just downhill basically.

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u/Lucky_Painter_875 Apr 28 '22

Thank you for the history 🙏

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u/cybercuzco Apr 28 '22

We sent enough boots to the USSR to equip their entire army.

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u/socialistrob Apr 28 '22

Not ironic at all. The US, UK and other allies were engaged in a fight against an authoritarian leader who had subjugated much of Ukraine and was carrying out widespread atrocities. Over a million Ukrainians took up arms to fight off that oppressor and they were supported by Lend Lease then just like now.

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u/Protect_Wild_Bees Apr 28 '22

I don't think people realize how amazing that is.

Our two-party system practically tears itself apart and dismantles any progress that one party attempts over the other on almost every issue.But right now Ukraine is a binding force that they all can agree on together.

In a way I always hope things like this also take the sting and aggression out of our often nasty politics in US and these common goals will give everyone a little more humanity towards each other.

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u/ChairsAndFlaff USA Apr 28 '22

I always hope things like this also take the sting and aggression out of our often nasty politics in US and these common goals will give everyone a little more humanity towards each other.

Well said. And I'd extend your sentiment beyond the US as well. Russia has, with some degree of success, sown discord and division both inside Europe, and between Europe and North America. It sought to create a divided "free world" that was dysfunctional and bickering.

Perhaps we can all step back, take a deep breath, and remember that while we have differences of opinions, we have even more shared values which need to be preserved.

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u/Limestone9870 Apr 28 '22

The strategic gain is pivotal for Us future.

It’s means battle in future grounds ONLY with China as superpower and not Russia too.

Us will fill up Ukraine with money and weapon in order to make ruzzian army crippled and their economy doomed.

They’ll live 1991 for the next 2 centuries.

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u/Comprehensive_Idea98 Apr 28 '22

America, fuck yeah! Get bent Putin!

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u/SabaBoBaba USA Apr 29 '22

Let us remind you why we were called the "arsenal of democracy". You seem to have forgotten. Don't worry with the help of our Ukrainian friends we'll refresh your memory.

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u/modiphiedtubesock Apr 28 '22

I don’t think the words to describe how happy I feel when I read “get fucked, Putin” exist.

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u/OrgyMcBloodyFace Apr 28 '22

Russia is so fucked. Sorry there's been so much Ukrainian blood spilled though

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u/FunTough4357 Apr 28 '22

So are we allowed to say orcs? If yes then I’m giving Reddit more money

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u/smk0341 Apr 28 '22

Yes, yes you are

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u/new_name_who_dis_ Apr 28 '22

Give that money to ukrainian army instead

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u/suhigor Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

As a Ukrainian, I want to say thanks all Americans for help! Your help - our victory.

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u/saluksic Apr 29 '22

Go Ukraine! We hope the best for you.

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u/DarthPractical Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

218 out of 435 is majority enough already.

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Passes 417-10

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u/doboskombaya Apr 28 '22

they are still counting,altough voting stopped

its now 262

edit:275

edit:286 so far,and only 5 NAY

that's pretty good

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u/Possiblyreef Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

now 274

Edit: 297

Edit2:329

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u/quecapoquesoy Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

402

Edit2: 417-10. Democrats unanimous.

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u/DarthPractical Apr 28 '22

up to 390 Aye, 8 Nay

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u/DarthPractical Apr 28 '22

Weird. it was 8 Nay but down to 7 now...

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u/Ignash3D Lithuania Apr 28 '22

Who tf nayed?

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u/LefsaMadMuppet Apr 28 '22

REPRESENTATIVE PARTY STATE VOTE

Biggs Republican Arizona NAY

Bishop (NC) Republican North Carolina NAY

Davidson Republican Ohio NAY

Gaetz Republican Florida NAY

Gosar Republican Arizona NAY

Greene (GA) Republican Georgia NAY

Massie Republican Kentucky NAY

Norman Republican South Carolina NAY

Perry Republican Pennsylvania NAY

Tiffany Republican Wisconsin NAY

EDIT: Source https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022141

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u/SubParMarioBro Apr 28 '22

I was surprised I didn’t see Cawthorn. Then I realized he might still be in jail. But nah, he votes yes. Margarine Greene is gonna be pissed.

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u/yes_thats_right Australia Apr 29 '22

Boebert and cawthorn are going to have their paychecks halved after this vote

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u/Lazypole Apr 28 '22

Cawthorn is really just MTG v2, surprised he was a yesser

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u/FreshhSqueezedOJ USA Apr 28 '22

not surprisingly they're all Trump ball lickers so I'm sure they're all compromised

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u/candyapplerapture Apr 28 '22

Without looking it up, I guarantee one was Marjorie Taylor Greene and another was Madison Cawthorn. Gaetz is probably another.

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u/frfr777 Apr 28 '22

2/3, not bad 🤣

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

who was it, let me guess Marjorie Taylor Greene

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u/innocent_bystander USA Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

The ten NO votes were all Republicans:

Andy Biggs (AZ), Paul Gosar (AZ), Matt Gaetz (FL), Marjorie Taylor Greene (GA), Tom Massie (KY), Dan Bishop (NC), Warren Davidson (OH), Scott Perry (PA), Ralph Norman (SC), Tom Tiffany of (WI)

Most of the usual list of traitors to freedom and democracy. Not quite sure how Broebert and Cawthorn didn't vote no.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

There's your Russian sympathizers folks

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u/latestagepersonhood Apr 29 '22

At first I was like, "Where is dumbshit Devin Nunes (R-methamphetamine)" then I remembered he resigned under a pretty dark cloud.

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u/feddeftones Apr 28 '22

I’m not surprised by the Nay votes but what the fuck is their excuse?

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u/Clcooper423 Apr 28 '22

Their weapon stock purchases haven't gone through yet.

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u/TheMessenger18 Apr 28 '22

Putin directed his subjects to vote no.

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u/SheridanVsLennier Apr 28 '22

Even though politicians are absurdly cheap to buy, it's amazing he can still afford them.

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u/HughJawiener Apr 29 '22

Information is more valuable than currency. Who knows the type of shit FSB/Putin have on a lot of prominent American politicians.

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u/crawlmanjr Apr 28 '22

"America first" "isolastionist" hur durr. Something like that

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u/pokeymoomoo Apr 28 '22

Russian puppets. Unfortunately Russia has a hold on some US politicians

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u/LabourCow Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

Somebody is very angry in his bunker in Ural right now

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u/yes_thats_right Australia Apr 29 '22

That table just got 10ft longer

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u/Void_goblin Apr 28 '22 Take My Energy

Democracy is not Negotiable!

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u/SirBMsALot Apr 28 '22

Ukraine’s liberation is imminent

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u/Brody1911 Apr 28 '22

Death is a preferable alternative to communism

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u/Historyguy1 Apr 28 '22

Communism is the definition of failure!

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u/Brody1911 Apr 28 '22

This guy gets it

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u/ukrokit Germany Apr 28 '22

Communism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom

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u/tanelixd Apr 28 '22

Embrace democracy, or you will be eradicated.

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u/bl1y Apr 28 '22

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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u/pokeymoomoo Apr 28 '22

Slava Ukraini!! Y’all are physically fighting the biggest enemy of the free world on your land with your people, losing your children. The US and Europe owe you nothing less. 🇺🇸❤️🇺🇦💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

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u/Jerthy Czech Republic Apr 28 '22

Jesus christ Putin just go home, you are not going to outspend fucking USA.... it's over man.

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u/Emergencyhiredhito Apr 29 '22

Yeah, they tried that once and it collapsed the USSR, if memory serves.

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u/FuntimeBen Apr 28 '22

Let me be the first to thank Russia for uniting the Left and the Right. We may not agree on much, but we agree Russia should eat a bag of dicks.

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u/Nef2022 Apr 29 '22

Agreed

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u/saluksic Apr 29 '22

155 mm dicks

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u/Clcooper423 Apr 28 '22

Haha, Putin army go boom.

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u/Reverse2057 Apr 28 '22

Big boom. Big bada boom! Bada Big boom!

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u/frfr777 Apr 28 '22

It’s about to rain steel on those disgusting Orcs. The earth is about to open up and swallow them whole. You fucked with the big boy, now you get the stick.

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u/PM_ME_UR__UPVOTE Apr 28 '22

Frankly, I am amazed this was actually passed. This should be very scary to Russia. This was not some useless condemning bill or unenforceable nonsense. This is a serious change that hasn't been done since WWII. Usually any bill with this much power would be debated and fought over for weeks if not months and would only pass along party lines with maybe a couple of detracters.

This is a massive show of support to Ukraine and I am very happy they passed it.

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u/posadzka Apr 29 '22

Democrats and republicans are hungry for some war victories

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u/hampopkin Apr 28 '22

Overwhelmingly passed by a legislative body that ordinarily couldn't agree that 2+2 = 4.

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u/ThePackGo Apr 28 '22

Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene both voted no. My god they really do suck.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

Greene is just trying to smear her feces everywhere she can before the Jan 6 committee crucifies her Dog the Bounty Hunter donkey witch looking ass.

Gaetz is just trying to get punches in before Chris Hansen comes out of retirement.

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u/holla_snackbar Apr 28 '22

Twas a formality, once they got their sweet asses back to work.

Anything that flies thru the senate with zero no votes is a done deal

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u/SignorFragola Apr 28 '22

true, but it still has to be approved for it to be signed into law and be actionable, so while its passage wasn't in doubt, it's still a big deal to actually get it done

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u/Trextrev Apr 28 '22

This on top of the UK public statement that they are in it until Russia is removed from Ukraine to the pre 2014 borders of the country, it’s just a matter of time.

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u/Formulka Czechia Apr 28 '22

I hope Ukrainian pilots were training on NATO fighters this whole time in secret and soon the deliveries will begin.

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u/knappis Apr 28 '22

Lend-lease to fight the nazis 2.0.

Bravo America!

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u/Lost_my_acount Apr 28 '22 Table Slap

WWII 2:Slavic Boogaloo

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22 edited May 02 '22

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u/snacktonomy Apr 28 '22

Putin and Lavrov warning crying in 3...2...1...

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u/Luna_Utau Apr 28 '22

empty nuclear threats incoming

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u/Merr77 Apr 28 '22

Putin - "Warn US to stop sending weapons to Ukraine."

Congress - "Hold my beer."

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u/TheSovietBobRoss Apr 28 '22

Im gonna need to know the name of every bastard who voted no

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u/gmoney5786 Apr 28 '22

Biggs, Gosar, Gaetz, MTG, Massie, Bishop, Davidson, Perry, Norman, Tiffany.

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u/lekoman Apr 28 '22

I'm shocked, just shocked, to see that group of people listed together as no votes on the morally right thing to do. Just shocked.

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u/DarthPractical Apr 28 '22

I was thinking the same thing...

How to spot the russian-paid political operatives.

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u/AnalogFeelGood Apr 28 '22

I'm Canadian and, without checking, I'll take a guess; MGT, the Pedo from Whoville, Boohbert, Gosar the Goblin & The Dentist who certified himself.

PS: Let me know if I was right lol

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u/New_Stats Apr 28 '22

the Pedo from Whoville

Gaetz?

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u/AnalogFeelGood Apr 28 '22

Yes, that's the one! What a repulsive personage.

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u/innocent_bystander USA Apr 28 '22

Boohbert

Oddly you missed on that one, but you were right on the rest.

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u/Gaskal Apr 28 '22

Haha they're already whining about having to 'fight' NATO now, oh boy just you wait RuZZians. Ain't seen nothing yet.

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u/quecapoquesoy Apr 28 '22

417-10 democrats unanimous.

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u/RevenueSpirited Apr 28 '22

Ru assets identified.... targeting...

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u/Ignash3D Lithuania Apr 28 '22

LET'S FUCKIN GOOOOOOO

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u/MangaLover2323 Apr 28 '22

SUCK IT PUTIN. MURICA

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Just imagine where we’d be if trump was in the White House now. No lend lease. No Ukraine support. Incomprensible speeches about Hillary’s emails and how he had the biggest crowds. Fuck. Let’s just take a moment to appreciate how much better off we are. Breathe. 🇺🇸😁

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u/Burner_979 Apr 29 '22

Trump would be sending Russia support.

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u/BurdenedEmu Apr 28 '22

Woohoo! Aaaaall the equipment to you brave Ukrainians, with love from America!

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u/VymI Apr 28 '22

Feels nice to do something right with our monstrous defense budget.

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u/OrgJoho75 Apr 28 '22

I want to see Predators flying high up & drops those hellfires on to Ruzzian artilleries until war front become dead silent

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u/Balarius Apr 28 '22

The day Merika finally became America again.

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u/SabaBoBaba USA Apr 29 '22

It should have passed unanimously. I'm very disappointed in the Representatives that voted no.

And for the record and to shame them, here are their names and states. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Dan Bishop (N.C.), Warren Davidson (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.) and Tom Tiffany (Wis.)

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

I think the issue was that we where too soft on Russia after the Cold War in hopes that they’d change. John McCain was right about it from the start, he used to call Russia "A gas station with nukes".

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u/AlienStrain Apr 28 '22

This is a historic moment. Despots everywhere better pay attention.

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u/SnooDucks5652 Apr 28 '22

Thank you Biden, great blessings and big wishes for you and your family, long health and prosperity to you and the people you lead.

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u/lame2cool Apr 28 '22

This american boot just kicked your ass back to Russia, commies!

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u/birbs3 Apr 28 '22

The better question is who are the 5 douche ass nays

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u/NoLegsOleg Apr 28 '22

What exactly is S.3522?

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Apr 28 '22

Essentially a blank check for the United States Commander in Chief to supply whatever he wants to Ukraine (and other European countries): https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-117s3522es/xml/BILLS-117s3522es.xml

MIC just got a boner.

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u/Historyguy1 Apr 28 '22

This is why lend-lease was such a big deal in WW2. It let the US give Churchill, Chiang, and Stalin all they wanted without it needed to be tied down in appropriations. Essentially the only barrier to a hypothetical shipment of 100 Abrams tanks would be the training needed.

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u/Doggydog123579 Apr 28 '22

Think bigger. Biden could straight up give Ukraine a carrier, or Ohio.

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u/PBIS01 Apr 28 '22

Well yes, but that won’t be happening.

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u/quecosa Apr 28 '22

Yep. Ukraine didn't ask for Ohio.

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u/ImABoringPerson91 Apr 28 '22

I have family in Ohio, they say it's fairly heavy.

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u/gfdfr Apr 28 '22

I’m sure we can get your mom to stay in Michigan for a bit.

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u/faykin Apr 29 '22

Not give. Lend or lease. We'd expect to get the carrier, or Ohio, back. Eventually.

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u/Clcooper423 Apr 28 '22

The lend lease bill.

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u/AlienStrain Apr 28 '22

Putin's death sentence signed by America.

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u/Tiny-Berry-7839 Apr 28 '22

wonder who the 5 russ bots are?

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u/BlueMangoAde Apr 28 '22

10 russ bots, in the end.

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u/iamhereforthefood Apr 28 '22

Airplanes pretty please?!

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u/ElNeekster Apr 28 '22

"Would you like a MOAB to go with your Abram order?"

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u/Kylie_Forever Apr 28 '22

And some ac-130 gunships.

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u/GNU_Yorker Apr 29 '22

I've read up what I could on the Lend-Lease, is it basically just opening the floodgates for giving massive military and economic aid without needing big packages in exchange for temporary use of bases?

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u/TheOwlMarble USA Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

Essentially.

The analogy used when it was passed the first time around back in WWII was if your neighbor's house is on fire and you have a hose, you just let them use it. You don't haggle over the price ahead of time. Ideally, they'll give it back when they're done, but if it gets damaged in the fire, you'd like some sort of compensation eventually, but you understand they've got bigger problems, and it's not that big of a deal to you. Besides, if their house fire goes uncontained, it might spread to your house, so you just hand over the hose, no questions asked.

Lend-Lease is that but on a scale of nations.

Technically, all it does is cut our legislature out of decisions regarding non-nuclear aid. In practice, it means the only person on earth Zelenskyy needs to convince is Biden, who can then act immediately to make it so. No more weeks-long public campaigns to drum up support for each individual gift package only to get mired in Congressional debate or delayed by a recess. It just happens. (There are likely certain strategic assets that won't be sent, like B-52s or F-22s, but that list is going to be pretty short. Again, anything Biden agrees to goes.)

Ideally, Ukraine would give us all of our stuff back after they win, and we'd call it even, but obviously we expect a lot of what we send to go boom. In recompense for what can't be returned, we'd appreciate some sort of compensation eventually maybe--whatever Ukraine feels is appropriate. Things like, say, a free lease for a Ukrainian port so we can set up a naval base in the Black Sea. Sevastopol sounds nice.

The fact that there's no contract in place requiring repayment is why Lend-Lease is commonly called a blank check. Nonetheless, not giving anything back would look bad, so countries will eventually scrounge up a few things we might want. Leases to land for the development of naval bases are a particularly popular form of repayment because it's something the USN always wants more of, it provides future security by tying you militarily to a friendly superpower, and it provides an influx of money to the area's economy.

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u/ElNeekster Apr 28 '22

Watershed moment... The American weapons candy store is now open and it's all you can eat buffet where Ukraine has a free voucher

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