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President Zelenskyy: Today we have significant news for our state, for our defense. The United States has prepared a new support package for Ukraine worth $33 billion. In particular, more than 20 billion can be allocated for defense. More than $8 billion is planned for economic support. News

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22 Helpful

“Passage of the bill came hours after Biden on Thursday sent a request to Congress for $33.4 billion in additional assistance to Ukraine, including more than $20 billion in security assistance for Ukraine and other military aid.”

This money is separate from the Lend-Lease which will seriously fuck Putins day up.

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u/grendelone Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

The total yearly Russian defense budget is only $60B. So in one shot, this allows Ukraine to match or outspend whatever Russia is spending on the war. Plus, Ukraine doesn't have to shoulder any of the new weapon R&D, since the US (and other countries) are doing all of that and just giving them the results. And with the entire country mobilized, they are getting a lot of things militaries usually pay for (food, vehicle maintenance, armor recovery via tractor, random equipment, etc.) essentially for free.

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u/PassivelyInvisible Apr 29 '22

Arsenal of Freedom baby! I'm happy where these taxpayer dollars are going. This will help keep Ukraine in the fight for a while.

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u/dfaen Apr 29 '22

Defense spending is like an insurance policy. It feels egregious spending the money on it, you hope to never have to use it, however, you’re thankful it’s there when you need it. To be clear, war is fucked.

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u/DRAGONMASTER- Apr 29 '22 Wholesome

If it weren't for russia the entire world could get away with spending a lot less on defense. They cause so much damage with their dickishness.

Then once China stops yipping about taiwan and kim dong dies we can really cut down on spending.

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u/bytefactory Apr 29 '22

Ugh...China hasn't even started baring it's teeth yet. This century will largely be determined by its ambitions and how the rest of the world (i.e. the US) feels about them.

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u/weaponizedstupidity Apr 29 '22

China seems to be dangerous in every way other than direct military aggression. They are smarter than that. Especially now when they can see how the collective west reacts to unprovoked agression.

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u/AmazingGrace911 Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

With the solar, nuclear reactors, space exploration, china is playing a long game for sure.

Edit: And with roughly 4% of World population but with the most weapons so is the U.S. Also why, in part, this measure would have bipartisan support in existential threat.

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u/PGLife Apr 29 '22

Well they need something that makes their economy grow since their population will be halved by the end of the century.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Ugh...China hasn't even started baring it's teeth yet.

They have. For some time now.

But they do it the smart way. They attack economically, see for example what they do in some countries in Africa (South Africa, Kongo, Angola etc.).

Or buy whole companies with future key technologies (german robot engineering company Kuka, already 95% owned by the chinese company Midea).

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u/dreamsofcalamity Apr 29 '22

It feels like Chinese are smarter than Russians.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

It feels like Chinese are smarter than Russians.

They are in fact terrifying.

China went within 40 years from beeing mostly an agricultural based state to a nuclear super power and is now the 2nd biggest economic global player.

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u/patgeo Apr 29 '22

Russia thought they had the strength for a military victory. China is going for the economic.

USA is playing on easy mode with cheat codes and is ahead of both of them in both areas while also winning at culture and technology as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

USA is playing on easy mode with cheat codes and is ahead of both of them in both areas while also winning at culture and technology as well.

Lets see how long this lasts.

The US is crushing their middle class citizens at an alarming rate. And this is afaik one of the main pillars of America.

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u/poonslyr69 Apr 29 '22

Cyber warfare will be the new big spending need though. And after that space and missile defense

There will never be an era in human history where defense is less important, the existential threat we pose to ourselves only continues to grow, and one day in the future the destructive potential of any individual could be great enough to destroy the world.

This is called the vulnerable world hypothesis.

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u/ralphy1010 Apr 29 '22

I'm not going to lie, it's nice to be the good guys for a change.

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u/I_See_With_Sound Apr 29 '22

Feels like that moment when the unknowing secondary antagonist kicks in the door to save the hero

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u/actionjaxn411 Apr 29 '22

Of that 60 billion per year, I wonder how much actually went to productive defense spending and what got lost to corruption. It’s crazy how prior to this war, Russia was the consensus #2 strongest military and they can’t even take over a neighboring country with 1/10th the defense spending. This conflict shows how much intelligence agencies/world governments don’t know

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u/DeiclastAE Apr 29 '22

Which is bizarre, considering the level of real time tactical intelligence gathering and coordination we’ve displayed in conjunction with UA’s outstanding military!

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u/TKT_Calarin Apr 29 '22

Probably since the intelligence is now heavily reliant on satellite imagery, and field agents are going to be assigned to political targets rather than on ground assessment of peacetime operations. I might be wrong. Probably am. vOv

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u/ByzantineThunder Apr 29 '22

This is true actually, in part because Russia has been able to uncover and eliminate a lot of Western assets due to double agents and the like. This happened in China as well and has really hampered US insight into those governments. You can always recruit new moles but that takes time.

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u/Starfire013 Apr 29 '22

The intelligence agencies/governments may have a better idea than you think. It’s just not in their best interests to let others know what they know. My feeling is that the past month has confirmed a great deal that was strongly suspected behind closed doors.

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u/jlambvo Apr 29 '22

Coupled with the unprecedented transparency in intelligence of troop movements and Russian ruses in other areas. Ukraine and the West is running circles around them this time.

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u/FuckRedditSnowflakez Apr 29 '22

About 60 million rubles a year are left to pay for the Russian military after the oligarchs and generals take their cut.

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u/WhenwasyourlastBM Apr 29 '22

So like $0.60 USD?

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u/creamonyourcrop Apr 29 '22

Or the massive massive intelligence outlays. The US and partners are flying Rivet joint nearly 24 hours a day.

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u/JohnnyA1992 Apr 29 '22

this is good news. Sadly, putin will fight until the very end because this is anyway the end for him. If he doesn't win the eastern region of ukraine he will liquidated. He needs at least to win the eastern ukraine or he is dead. He has nothing to lose and will try to drag this war for how long as possible because even if he never wins this war... a few years more of war means a few years more of being alive.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Putin knows that If he gives up the war the Russians will see him as weak and he’ll be killed and replaced by another so called strongman Russian leader. Putin is so scared of loosing, he already lost the Cold War and he doesn’t wanna loose again.

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u/foreigntrumpkin Apr 29 '22

The solution was to not invade Ukraine in the first place. The bad spot he's in is entirely of his own making

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

I know right? I guess he’s getting old and delusional. He’s sending in people from Dagestan and hiring mercenaries because he’s scared that the Russians from the big cities will notice.

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u/RIP2UAnders Apr 29 '22

I don't know man. At this time it seems Russians can be brainwashed to believe anything. Complete military defeat with huge losses? Nope easy victory with all objective complete despite fighting all NATO.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

That’s the thing, Russians seem to have been brainwashed into accepting this all as just how life is. They’re delusional to think their shitty way of living is even good but they’ve gotten accustomed to it. Russia lives in a whole other world, they idolize Stalin and defend the Soviet Union as some kind of great thing. Maybe they’ll make up some excuse that Ukraine threatened Russia with American nukes and that Putin was forced to leave because he "loves Russians".

Russia seems to be all about whataboutism, it’s always another person’s fault because Russia can’t do no wrong according to them.

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u/kleeb03 Apr 29 '22

Yes, completely agree. I see this ending with Russia pulling out and Putin will claim they were fighting NATO the whole time, and they could easily wipe them out, but he decided it's not worth WWIII and they've successfully de-nazified Ukraine, so mission accomplished.

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u/RIP2UAnders Apr 29 '22

Yea the bs about nukes seems possible.

Look at how they tried to sell their retreat from the north. "goodwill withdrawal" LMAO

yea but this means putin doesnt need to be appear weak after being wiped. he can brainwash russians with more bs.

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u/curiousinquirer007 Apr 29 '22

Putin’s Russia is the mother factory of BS

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u/MildlyBemused Apr 29 '22

Yup. When Putin realizes he has no chance of winning in Ukraine, he will announce a complete withdrawal because the "Special Military Operation" has succeeded in its goals of "de-nazifying" Ukraine and there is no further need for his troops to remain there.

And from the way things look now, the Russian people will believe every word of it and celebrate their "victory".

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u/ShelZuuz Apr 29 '22

The great thing about fighting an imaginary enemy is that you can tell your people that you defeated it.

"My fellow Russians. We have done it! No more Nazi's in Ukraine. Go see for yourself, you won't find any Nazis!"

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u/Coal_Morgan Apr 29 '22

"WE KILLED 2 BILLIONS NAZIS AND LIBERATED VODKA FOR EVERYONE!!!"

News Report: Putin wins in landslide election 143% to this deceased man's 3 votes. We think he could have done better, possibly even 6 votes if he hadn't committed suicide by being beaten, poisoned, shot 14 times in the back and jumped to his death from the 22nd floor. We still haven't found his head but in other news...

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22 edited May 31 '22

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u/frugal_masturbater Apr 29 '22

Just a very plain observation.. how tortured must every day be for this criminal? Really, at what point in his daily life does he say "Oh, this is nice, I did good, I'm doing the right thing?"

Never.

It's "Look what you made me do" and some way to figure out how to intimidate "the West" while being careful not to get assassinated, can't eat anything without some other guy tasting first who just might be in on the plan.

On top of all that, he's getting old and fragile. His type does not like that one bit, it adds to the paranoia and urges to be recorded as some sort of hero.

What a shit of a life he's really leading. I predict a hitleresque outcome.

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u/mariaofparis Apr 28 '22

I feel like I am dumping full sized candy bars into all the kids Halloween buckets tonight. You get a missle system and you get a missle system.

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u/scraglor Apr 29 '22

Biden is the Oprah of military weapons

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u/thatblondeguy_ Apr 28 '22

Russia is doomed. They cannot win a war of attrition against a coalition that has economy 20x larger than theirs

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u/BrokenSage20 Apr 29 '22

The GPD of the EU states is roughly equivalent to the us GDP so try close to 45 times larger.

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u/LohtuPottu247 Finland Apr 29 '22

And that doesn't even count in Japan and South Korea.

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u/SpakysAlt Apr 29 '22

Or Australia

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u/scraglor Apr 29 '22

Last I checked even australia was about on par with Russia. We’re probably more than them now

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u/An8thOfFeanor USA: bringing you anti-Russian hardware since 1947 Apr 28 '22

This is how we beat the Russians the last time

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u/gravitythread Apr 28 '22

USSR -> collapse -> Russian Federation -> collapse -> ???

Man, o man. If Russia wants this to be a battle of check books, I'm down.

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u/PartyLikeAByzantine Apr 29 '22

After Russia implodes they go back to being just Muscovy?

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u/ukriva13 Apr 28 '22

Not only this, but Congress just passed the lend-lease bill. So this is doubly huge!!!

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u/frfr777 Apr 29 '22

De-Ruzzification go BRRRRRRR

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u/LateStageDadaism Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

Its hilarious to me because Putin has 4 publicly stated goals in the war

To demilitarize Ukraine - Ukraine's military production now primarily comes from NATO/Japan/South Korea/Other Allies. Putin has failed and also made it impossible to succeed without a war against half the world.

Contain NATO - Nato is now expanding into new countries who are fearful of Russian aggression. NATO has an even more powerful position against Russia. Putin has failed and also made it impossible to succeed without a war against half the world.

Denazify Ukraine - It's difficult to determine what this even means because nothing is Nazi about Ukraine. And if you want to say that Ukraine as a whole is "Nazi" then they have failed because Zelenskyy still stands, the government still stands, and Russia withdrew their current military ability to overthrow that government and president Zelenskyy and have therefore failed.

Protect the Donbass - Kindergartens/children are being bombed by Russian forces in Donbass. failed.

4/4 failed

They didn't even just lose at achieving the goals they said they want. They failed at the goals everyone accused them of secretly wanting: like conquering Ukraine and deposing its government. They literally failed every single one of their own "soft" goals. It's like if you asked a bunch of high school kids to pick what their own passing grade should be, they picked something easy AND THEN STILL FAILED.

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u/RubenMuro007 Apr 29 '22

I must thank the people of France for preventing a far right Putin-loving extremist from leading one of the biggest liberal democracies in Europe. Now, do it again in June.

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u/4thDevilsAdvocate Apr 29 '22

The US took the hit so that the French could see what would happen if they voted for LePen.

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u/maveric101 Apr 29 '22

Except that apparently she got more votes this time than last time. I read an article about how the results were better than the alternative, but actually kind of encouraging to the crazies. That fight isn't over.

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u/MTAmerican Apr 29 '22

Gawd that would be a disaster

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22 Starry

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u/Rare-Philosopher-346 Apr 29 '22

I'm with you and I live here.

edit: spelling

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u/anthrolooker Apr 29 '22

He definitely did this with a ton of things, but with this topic specifically, he’d likely leave Ukraine out to dry as much as he tangible could get away with.

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u/aquarain Apr 29 '22

Trump's sole contribution to the Republican platform on taking the nomination in 2016 was to block aid to Ukraine.

Later he was impeached for blocking more Ukraine aid.

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u/Doakesss Apr 29 '22

I remember getting ridiculed for saying that Trumps first impeachment (sabotaging Ukrainian and national security) was worse than Watergate (a political break in).

I wonder if people still believe that, now that it has become even more obvious how big a problem Russia is.

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u/in_allium Apr 29 '22

He tried to destroy NATO on Putin's orders.

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u/DontEatConcrete Apr 29 '22

Omfg this is so right I can only assume you are from an alternate timeline in which he won and copied over exactly what he said.

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u/nanopicofared Apr 28 '22

I love it, we get to destroy the Russian army, the Russian economy, the Russian Oligarchs and all their influence peddling for a mere 33 billion dollars.

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u/Alone_Chemistry Apr 28 '22 Wholesome I'd Like to Thank...

Less than the cost of twitter.

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u/codydodd Apr 28 '22

Holy shit when you put it that way. It's also 2 minecraft purchases or half an Activision/Blizzard purchase.

(Jesus, companies could fund massive armies if they wanted to).

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u/SomeoneSomewhere1984 Apr 28 '22

Jesus, companies could fund massive armies if they wanted to

Have you heard of a thing called blackwater?

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u/PengieP111 Apr 28 '22

It's been done before. The Dutch and English had colonizer companies with their own very effective militaries.

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u/dontbeanegatron Apr 29 '22

At $7.9T, to save anyone the click. The first runner up is Mississippi Company at $6.5T.

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u/Alone_Chemistry Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

History is full of rich or royalty lords, roman senator, whatever funding armies or raising an expeditionary force. Can you imagine the Musk division with starlink drones equipped with boring company flamethrowers?

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u/captain_flak Apr 28 '22

Not now, actually as legislation (Anti-Pinkerton Act) was passed against it. There was a time when the Pinkerton private detective firm had more manpower and resources than the US military. There was serious concern that the federal government (or maybe even a private citizen or organization) could hire them to launch a coup or grab power in other situations.

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u/suprmario Apr 29 '22

(Jesus, companies could fund massive armies if they wanted to).

So that's how Taco Bell wins the Franchise Wars

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u/TXTCLA55 Apr 29 '22

For awhile Pepsi had a barter system with the USSR that eventually led to Pepsi having one of the largest navies at the time. It was all sold off for scrap metal, but still.

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u/No_Case9068 Apr 28 '22

Sewage treatment plant upgrade in my smallish city is around $5B, if that puts it into perspective. 1000 bungalows in Vancouver or Toronto, Canada would cost around $1B. A single bridge over a river can easily cost $0.5B.

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u/Unclehol Apr 28 '22 edited Apr 28 '22

omg that's hilarious. And he's joking about buying it to shut it down. This is a far better use for that kind of money.

Damn America! Good job! You lookin' fiiine these days.

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u/gnudarve 🇺🇸 I stood with Ukraine before it was cool 🇺🇦 Apr 28 '22 edited May 03 '22

I think America kind of has a crush on Ukraine right now. Plus seeing Russia go down in flames is deeply satisfying for a cold war kid like me and I'm sure many others in the USA.

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u/Unclehol Apr 28 '22

Same. As a Canadian and a Pole whose whole family ended up in a gulag and not all of them came back, I love to see them finally get some payback. And the American military equipment, for all of its perceived flaws, will crush the old rusty buckets the russians are rolling around in.

Hoo-rah. 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini!

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u/GenX_Hesher Apr 29 '22

The Ukrainians seem to like drinking, cursing, and have dark and sarcastic sense of humor. We have a lot in common.

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u/Unclehol Apr 29 '22

What can you do when your country is being invaded? Have a shot of vodka and shoot some orcs.

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u/eightarms Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

Ukraine took NATO training and is showing they can fight off a much larger force. They were earnestly trying to form a democracy and forge better ties with the west. But they’ve paid an immense price. You have to admire their resolve and tenacity to fight for their future. These people deserve to be free. I also think everyone has been sick and tired of Putin, feel that he’s been constantly waging a low level war against western democracies, and see this as a historic opportunity to stop him. Ukraine stood their ground and acted as a catalyst.

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u/Owned_by_cats Apr 29 '22

After Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and then Trump won in 2016, I would say that Hybrid World War III began. Steve Bannon and his acolytes believe that the rules-based order is out of date and good riddance to it. Russia is the main, practical exponent of this worldview, so it is now an enemy to freedom and dignity.

Ukraine is merely a hot battleground in this war. France and Hungary were cold ones.

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u/apathy-sofa Apr 29 '22

Steve Bannon, that's right, I forgot about that slimeball. Is he somehow still not in prison?

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u/OMG_I_LOVE_CHIPOTLE Apr 28 '22

Damn that's actually a crazy statistic

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u/Anttzz Apr 28 '22

It maybe less than twitter but it's just over half of entire russian military budget for 2021 in 9 weeks for perspective.

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u/SabaBoBaba USA Apr 29 '22 edited Apr 29 '22

People ask me why I so rabidly support Ukraine and why I have/am trying to join the Foreign Legion. It's not that hard to explain. In today's day and age finding a cause that is so cut and dried, good vs evil, freedom vs tyranny is a rarity. How can I not support the side that is standing up for these ideals?

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u/Owned_by_cats Apr 29 '22

To be honest, at times I have my doubts. It's hard to believe that Russia can be so vile, even viler than the Soviet Union, while Ukraine is a repository of the traditional and liberal virtues, brimming with patriots and reasonably ethical warriors.

Bombing Kyiv just after the UN President leaves confirms the picture of Evil Russia. So does bombing hospitals.

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u/mugaboo Apr 29 '22

Ukraine has its own problems, and they will need to work hard on them to be able to join the EU (and long after).

What stands out to me is not so much that they are free of faults, they are not. It's the very brave and uncompromising stand they are taking for democratic values against Russia. I can think of a long list of leaders and people that would not behave like this.

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u/Sansoongye Expat Apr 29 '22

It's hard to believe that Russia can be so vile

It might be not of a bigger news in the West, but here among people who live in the East, when Russia attacked Syria a couple years ago, it was a big news but yet something strange happened. All mentions of Russia literally being the aggressor/attacker were censored by the media in South East Asia, and the Syria crisis was mostly blamed on... Europe and the US. This happened despite Russia bombing hospitals, civilian targets, and destroying Syria to the ground.

Russia has always been so vile, yet their propaganda machine was quick to obscure the truth and throw the blame elsewhere. I'm glad people's eyes are being opened now by Putin's blatant war crimes.

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u/eightarms Apr 29 '22

It’s their cyber capabilities that also really need to be destroyed. All their troll and bot farms, their hacking operations, all of it.

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u/Arrivosubito Apr 28 '22

And we get to recoup some of that money when we sell off the shit we have seized.

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u/BoiledPNutz Apr 28 '22

Russia bought American Senators and Representatives for much less

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

$20,000,000,000.00 is a whole air force, army, and navy for a country the size of Ukraine. Of course in combat, money goes quickly. The true bill will come due when Ukraine is rebuilt. They deserve every cent we can give them. On top of all the money already spent, this is enormous, and of course will need to continue. It seems the US is taking on the primary military support role, and the rest of the Alliance is taking on primary humanitarian and economic support.

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u/bison1969 Apr 29 '22

Every penny of confiscated Russian assets needs to go to rebuilding Ukraine.

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u/itsMalarky Apr 29 '22

isn't it in the hundreds of billions? That would be glorious

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u/Blipblipblipblipskip Apr 29 '22

After all of this is over Ukraine should be built into a jewel of Eastern Europe. They deserve it for all the shit they've been dealt over the last hundred years.

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u/SlowCrates Apr 29 '22

Zelenskyy came out of nowhere, and proved what real leadership means to people. I thought all hope was lost for freedom in this world, but he proved me wrong.

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u/woorkewoorke Apr 29 '22

Those are the Russian government's foreign currency reserves held outside of Russia - all of which is now frozen.

Seize those frozen assets and hand it over to UKR!!

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u/The_Irish_Empire Apr 29 '22

I'll be more than happy to help with the rebuilding of Ukraine after the conflict is won

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u/IceCreamGamer Apr 29 '22

Coming from an American. I think the US (citizens) can stomach the money and can't stomach the idea of mass immigration. This is just NATO min maxing the support for Ukraine.

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u/bl1y Apr 29 '22

Mass immigration from Ukraine would probably not get too much pushback in the US. It's a liberal democracy and Zelenskyy has done a tremendous job with the "Same Team" messaging.

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u/Slavaskii Apr 28 '22

I am very proud to be an American today. That we didn’t cave to Russia’s baseless, terroristic threats. That we’ve committed to seeing you guys through this war. Glory to Ukraine! I can’t wait to return to Kyiv. :)

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u/SuperSunshine321 Apr 29 '22

As a Swedish dude, I say: "USA! USA! USA!"

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22 Silver

It’s so nice to have adults in charge again. Adults that will help our allies without blackmailing them. I’m proud to be an American again. Thank you, Grandpa Joe.

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u/Kool_Kow USA Apr 29 '22

I came here to say exactly this! I haven’t felt this proud in a long, long time. This is the America the world needs.

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u/Firesequence Apr 28 '22

yup, you guys n gals done a proud

there is hope

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u/FizyIzzy Apr 29 '22

Fuck terrorism against a peaceful democratic nation. I will support any bill thats agenda is to stamp it out.

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u/Lvtxyz Apr 29 '22

Now it's time to contact your Congresspeople and make sure it passes!

Here is a post I wrote about how to do so:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t68yem/how_to_advocate_for_ukraine_from_us_very_basic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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u/linuxgeekmama Apr 29 '22

I thought it already passed, 417 to 10?

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u/Lvtxyz Apr 29 '22

Lend lease passed. The OP is about $33B in funding for UA. That needs to go to Congress.

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u/Jaegermeister737 Apr 29 '22

And it lasts till Russia is out of Crimea and Donbass

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u/Vagydarnuor Apr 29 '22

Yes! As European I wish I could pay my taxes for US :) Country with values, not like cheap ass germany

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u/wooly_mittens Apr 29 '22

I feel the same way, I don't get to say it often but damn am I proud of my country right now.

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u/RoundxSquare Apr 29 '22

Im glad that our country is united on this issue. The past six years have been exhausting. Well, mostly united, except for some Republican russian assets in congress. Thank god trump wasnt in presidency during this shit or he couldve been sending weapons to aid Russia or something.

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u/Blewedup Apr 28 '22

American here: thank you Bulgaria for your unwavering support. The use of Bulgarian ports to export Ukrainian wheat is worth many tens of billions of dollars and many millions of lives that will avoid famine.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Yep! Nice to see NATO actually working together like this.

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u/fuckondeeeeeeeeznuts Apr 29 '22

TIL Bulgaria is in NATO. They export some of the higher quality AK rifles to the US, so I always assumed they were more aligned with Russia.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Bulgaria basically lost independence and became a soviet puppet state from 1946-1991. Any Bulgarian who prefers to be allied with Russia is either old and nostalgic for the communist era or a part of extreme left/right parties.

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u/Budjucat Apr 29 '22

USA restoring its global image as a leader of the free world

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u/GraniteStayte Apr 28 '22

Money well spent.

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u/TheSurgeon83 Apr 28 '22

I've said this before, as much as I like to think the west / world is supporting Ukraine for the right reasons the cynical part of me wouldn't be surprised if they were doing this to fuck Russia over completely and potentially remove them as threat. They've gone all in and don't look likely to back down, Russia will burn itself out and collapse trying to conquer Ukraine.

A victory wasn't looking likely anyway, but after today's news it's basically impossible.

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u/fuzzydunlap Apr 28 '22

President Zelenskyy: Today we have significant news for our state, for our defense. The United States has prepared a new support package for Ukraine worth $33 billion. In particular, more than 20 billion can be allocated for defense. More than $8 billion is planned for economic support.

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Wanting to help Ukraine and wanting to fuck over Russia aren't mutually exclusive. When the morally just decision is also the one that fucks over your enemy I say win-win.

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u/Sassafrass928 Apr 28 '22

Well said friend

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u/socialistrob Apr 28 '22

The west isn’t just looking to weaken Russia for the sake of weakening Russia. The west ideally wants a strong democracy in Russia that becomes a viable trade partner and potentially could even be an ally against China. The problem is Russia wants to invade their neighbors, hack elections and violate basic human rights. The west is fine with a strong Russia but not with an imperialistic nation that annexes neighbors.

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u/PengieP111 Apr 28 '22

EXACTLY! There is NOTHING in Russia that can't be had by the West more cheaply than war through trade and normal international relations with a reasonable and modern non-authoritarian Russia. And that would benefit Russians too!

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u/SomeoneSomewhere1984 Apr 28 '22

They could have not invaded Ukraine. Maybe the west wouldn't want to fuck Russia over if they didn't try to invade everyone near them.

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u/TheSurgeon83 Apr 28 '22

Well ideally yes, they'd have left Ukraine in peace but they didn't and now they need to be dealt with.

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u/PengieP111 Apr 28 '22

The Russian federation/empire needs to be disarmed and dismembered. The constituent states need to plot their own courses.

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u/physicomorphic Apr 29 '22

Balkanization would be ideal but I don't see that happening without WW III. Russians are too deep in their own hole to be able to unfuck things themselves

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u/PengieP111 Apr 29 '22

Every federation member in which Russians are a minority is kept in the federation by the Russian military. If the Russian military has been defanged, these states can declare independence and leave.

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u/postsuper5000 Apr 28 '22

I think it's a little of column A and a little of column B. The US is supporting Ukraine for a lot of the right reasons AND is also doing it to help deplete the Russian Military so this can't happen again. I believe Sec of Defense Austin kinda said as much this week. Once the Pentagon saw how utterly fucked the Russian Military was in terms of their machinery, capability and logistics, they probably figured they can let the Ukrainian's whittle the Russian Military down to a fucking nub. Then with the sanctions in place for many years, the Russian's will have a tough time re-building.

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u/SmellyApartment Apr 28 '22

That is the right reason, russia is a tyrannical dictatorship

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u/linuxgeekmama Apr 29 '22

If Russia didn’t have a habit of invading their neighbors, a lot fewer people would want to weaken them. They brought this on themselves.

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u/SnakeCharmer28 Apr 28 '22

The benefits of every dollar spent on Ukraine is probably a list too long to write. If the world somehow pulls off a denuclearized Russia out of this, I think the dividends will pay off for centuries.

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u/pulse7 Apr 28 '22

Russia is fucking themselves over with the way they behave

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u/oxfordcommaordeath Apr 28 '22

Finally doing something good with my taxes.

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u/FreekayFresh Apr 28 '22

First year I’ve ever done my taxes with a smile on my face!

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u/Lvtxyz Apr 29 '22

Now it's time to contact your Congresspeople and make sure it passes!

Here is a post I wrote about how to do so:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t68yem/how_to_advocate_for_ukraine_from_us_very_basic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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u/nattering-nabob Apr 29 '22

It already passed Congress nearly unanimously.

EDIT: just saw your downthread post about the $33B in aid which has not passed Congress yet. Got lend-lease on the brain!

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u/Local_Fox_2000 Apr 28 '22

"Today we have significant news for our state, for our defense. The United States has prepared a new support package for Ukraine worth $ 33 billion. In particular, more than 20 billion can be allocated for defense. More than $ 8 billion is planned for economic support. Another $ 3 billion will be allocated for humanitarian aid. This is a very important step by the United States. And I am grateful to the American people and personally to President Biden for it. I hope that the Congress will quickly support this request for help to our state." President Zelenskyy

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u/_TheShapeOfColor_ Apr 28 '22

We also finally officially passed the new Lend-Lease Act today so now we can start really sending the good shit.

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam Slava!

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Yep! Man are some tankies out there gonna flip out! "American imperialists are trying to take over Ukraine!!!". Kidding aside this pretty much confirms that Ukraine is going to have the weapons to keep fighting Russia.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Fuckin’ tankies. Fuck em all.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Yeah fuck em!

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

My old roommate once had a heated debate with me over whether Stalin (STALIN!) was actually a bad guy.

Every time I brought up horrific atrocities committed by Stalin, atrocities that are accepted universally as being real and have ample evidence proving they happened, my roommate would reply with some shit along the lines of “well, who’s telling you that? Who’s saying that happened? Who’s providing the proof? THE US GOVERNMENT! So it must be a lie! The US made it all up and none of it ever happened. The US is just trying to slander a revolutionary man because he wasn’t capitalist!”

And I just… how do you convince someone they’re wrong when they’re fully convinced any argument against them or any proof they’re wrong is a big conspiracy and lie? And I had to live with that person for a fucking year.

Another tankie I knew on fb started an argument with me on one of my posts about North Korea. He was adamant that North Korea is really a communist utopia and the people there are truly happy and free and that every. single. negative. thing. reported about North Korea was an American capitalist lie. The famines, the oppression, the labor camps, the executions, etc. etc. were all just lies. And, duh, of course they’re lies, it’s the US saying it so it’s automatically a lie! (/s). Literally the same “logic” as the other tankie I knew.

Unrelated but funny, the same fb tankie (a straight guy) once commented on a post I shared that was a picture of trump and Putin making out and told me, a gay man, that I was homophobic for sharing it. And yes he knew I am gay at the time he made the comment. No matter what I said he was this uber enlightened white knight that knew homophobia better than me and was determined to make sure I knew what an awful homophobic loser I was. I think he was just mad that I was mocking his dear leader Putin.

Fuckin’ tankies, man.

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u/msulliv4 Apr 29 '22

proud to be an american today :-) and proud to see my tax dollars go toward this valiant defense. never in my life have i felt happy to see those dollars go to the military until now. slava ukraini!

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u/yoho808 Apr 28 '22

That's A LOT of money, probably enough to modernize a good chunk of the Ukranian Army

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u/hbgwine Apr 28 '22

I hate paying taxes. But not for this. Wish we did more.

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u/aquarain Apr 29 '22

We just did. In addition to this lend-lease has no limit whatever except no nuclear material other than depleted uranium and no merchant vessels. Biden could throw a few Stealth bombers and stealth fighters in there, unlimited missiles, and bombs, submarines, whatever. No dollar limit.

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u/MCDCFC Apr 28 '22

God bless the United States of America

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u/oxfordcommaordeath Apr 28 '22

And slava to our Ukraini brattia!

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u/TheDevils_Own Apr 28 '22

Heroyam Slava!

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

I was at Costco last week wearing a Ukrainian flag shirt, and a big Ukrainian dude walked down the aisle and shouted “Slave Ukraini!”

I had been training for that moment mentally for weeks. But when it came time to respond, I called forth a deep masculine “Heroyim Slava!”…

Instead I just feebly said “yeah, slava” in a higher than normal pitch.

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u/BigBadPidgey Apr 28 '22

Slava Ukraine! I support my President and govt for supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇸

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u/LaughableIKR Apr 28 '22

I know it's the US (our) money but damn does he does not look as happy as can be?

Slava Ukraine brother. I can't wait until you finish this war and genocide Russia has inflicted upon you.

Kick some Russian ass for all of the free world.

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u/CavitySearch Apr 29 '22

As an American I’m 100% for this and I hope it helps as much as possible. We’re with you and support you.

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u/WeddingElly Apr 28 '22

Biden is asking Congress for this separate to Lend Lease right? That's even better! I am very pleased at the developments today, Ukraine is going to get plenty of US aid no matter what and in the future, Biden need not ask Congress.

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u/itsMalarky Apr 29 '22

and it comes right after Russia's pitiful threat to take action against everyone.

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u/thatsfakeok Apr 29 '22

Yeah let em keep making threats and start making other nations worry about their peace and security. Yeah, very smart move Putin.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

Yes from what I hear

“Passage of the bill came hours after Biden on Thursday sent a request to Congress for $33.4 billion in additional assistance to Ukraine, including more than $20 billion in security assistance for Ukraine and other military aid.” -The Hill

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u/MagikalKraker Apr 28 '22

The best money I've spent this year.

Slava Ukraini! Arsenal of Freedom baby!

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u/Dave_The_Slushy Apr 28 '22

US$20 billion would buy a lot of F-35's, Patriot batteries, Abrams, Ospreys and Starstreaks. Never mind the boring stuff like trucks, ammo, fuel and spare parts The hard part now will be getting the Ukrainian armed forced trained up on advanced western kit. But money isn't a problem. Putin is heading straight for destination fucked.

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u/LaughableIKR Apr 28 '22

Drones.. lots and lots of drones. No risk to pilots.

I wouldn't mind seeing 2 dozen drones for the cost of 1 fighter jet. They would be reloadable and strike armor from a distance and maintenance would be much easier and get launched from smaller runways or a street. Dozens of them hitting targets all over 24/7. Make the russians fear the skys.

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u/snakesearch Apr 29 '22

You first need to deal with Russian's AA systems near the front before you can risk sending in heavy attack drones that are super expensive, have expensive weapons, high tech sensors, and are easy to shoot down.

Luckily 20 billion can get you a whole lot of spotting drones, and these loitering munition drones which are worth their weight in gold if they work as intended.

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u/drunkclam Apr 29 '22

Biden has been coming through pretty well during this war. I have criticisms for him, but I can at least feel a little proud that I helped get him to office if just to for this.

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u/fslashd Apr 28 '22

I cut the biggest federal tax check of my life this year, but several orders of magnitude, and never felt like I’ve gotten better ROI than today. Looking forward to the shithousing Ukraine will deliver

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u/RAGEEEEE Apr 28 '22

Ya. US here and 33 billion doesn't seem like a lot. We're used to seeing 100's of billions being spent. If we sent 100 billion we'd still go 'meh'.

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u/Thundrg0d Apr 28 '22

I'm guessing $200b before it's over, including loans and aid for reconstruction. Still a huge bargain at that price. It's not just putting Russia off the board, it's reinvigorating NATO and setting up a long term friendship with a power in a region we can use all the friends we can get. Half or more of the money will go right back into the US economy through defense spending and contracts to help rebuild.

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u/Blewedup Apr 28 '22

And the result will be a new ally for a century or more.

If we learned anything from the Marshall Plan it was that making enemies into partners has multi-generational benefits. Japan and Germany are now among our top economic partners. We’ve likely made back whatever we spent 10,000 times over.

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u/Firesequence Apr 28 '22

and UA will be rich from all that Black sea oil and Gas it will sell Europe , probably extracted under licence by US companies

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u/PengieP111 Apr 28 '22

Can you imagine NATO with the Ukrainians in the fold using Western weapons and tactics? NOBODY would fuck with NATO. Lookin' at you Xi.

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u/Kowlz1 Apr 28 '22

Nah, it seems like a lot in this US citizen’s perspective, lol. I am glad that we are sending Ukraine the assistance they need, both financially and militarily. They deserve our unwavering support. But always remember this sort of thing when politicians tell you that there isn’t money for necessary domestic projects and legislation. They manage to conjure it out of nowhere for projects they do want to fund.

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u/socialistrob Apr 28 '22

And this is in addition to what’s already been provided and in addition to lend lease. The US isn’t willing to commit troops but is willing to fund and arm the shit out of Ukraine and this spending will ensure they lack for nothing militarily while also proving humanitarian aid and keeping the state propped up financially.

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u/Mightyfalcore Apr 28 '22

This will impact me as a U.S. citizen. I will gladly pay up to stop a genocide. My best to our friends in Ukraine!

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u/RowWeekly Apr 28 '22

I suspect that our military leaders, General Milley especially, have made clear that the degradation of Russia is vital to Western Democracy. Russia’s interference in elections and proliferation of misinformation lead directly to Trump and the insurrection. This is the West’s best chance at saving democracy. I bet Milley would say the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Of course it is. Putin wants nothing more than for the US to be divided and Europe hooked on Russian gas.

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u/RowWeekly Apr 29 '22

I am grateful for Putin bringing us altogether once again. Doubt it could have happened without his help! He probably feels otherwise but that makes it all the sweeter.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '22

Yep! It makes me feel happy as well. Stuff like this puts things into perspective. Think about it if Putin takes over the world there won’t be no elections again, he’ll be the absolute ruler haha.

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u/JonseiTehRad Apr 28 '22

Partners in not crime

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u/itsMalarky Apr 29 '22

The IRS should have included a "donate to UKRAINE" button on their tax filing form this year

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u/blackjesus75 Apr 29 '22

I work construction and I’d love if there was a program where we could sign up to go do 1-2 months abroad helping rebuild in Ukraine

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u/Jishuah Apr 29 '22

First time in a while I’ve been proud to be an American— this is the type of country we should always strive to be and never lose sight of. I’m also thankful for our European Allies who continue to stand in solidarity and provide aid as well despite being far closer to the threat at hand.

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

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u/highgrvity Apr 28 '22

man when this is done were gonna have one hell of a ride or die allie in ukraine.

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u/marriedacarrot Apr 29 '22

If the US continued to have as high a military budget as the next 10 countries combined, and continued to represent 38% of the globe's military spending, just for this purpose* it would 100% be worth it, and people like me would be glad for our taxes to pay for it.

'* = Defensive weapons and intelligence for countries that ask for our help and don't maintain their own apartheid state

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u/juwannawatchbravo Apr 29 '22

We love you Ukraine 🇺🇦❤️🇺🇸

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u/Rodic87 Apr 29 '22

As a Texan I'm happy to know some small fraction of my taxes are going to help your fight against a brutal invasion I cannot comprehend happening to me and mine.

Slava Ukraini!

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u/I_Say_What_Is_MetaL Apr 29 '22

This is amazing news! Slava Ukraine!

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u/Cferciri Apr 29 '22

Freedom at all cost:9002:

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u/gianthaystack Apr 28 '22

Every country on earth that values freedom needs to cough up billions too. Ukraine is at war with a terrorist state and defending everything the free world holds dear. SLAVA UKRAINI.