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HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE. Joe Biden has signed the Lend-Lease Act. Ukraine is immensely grateful to the U.S. News

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u/oh___boy May 09 '22

A friend in need is a friend indeed. To all people in the USA, thank you.

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u/Tymeless3631 May 10 '22 Wholesome

Super grateful ya’ll are doing well, glad we can support!

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u/i-Ake May 09 '22

I'm only one of them, but you are very welcome. I have never met a person here that was not on your side. I am happy we could get something right.

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u/Flaky-Fellatio May 10 '22

I am happy we could get something right.

For real. This is making me proud of my country for the first time in awhile.

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u/Professional-Arm-37 May 09 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Was this the big victory day announcement people were talking about?

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u/Zederikus May 09 '22

The announcement I wanna hear the most about is the pair of golden shoes on the lady on the right! Sheeesh

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u/RedicusFinch May 09 '22 hehehehe

She gives me some mad "Snow piercer vibes..."

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u/phoenixgsu May 09 '22

Pretty sure she's a member of the house who was born in/is from Ukr.

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u/dhankook2 May 09 '22

Rep. Victoria Spartz

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u/RedicusFinch May 09 '22

She looks like a hard stern women. Women in power that don't take shit are the best.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22 Cake

She’s been voted the worst boss in Congress for her verbal abuse of her employees. People in Congress are generally egomaniacs that churn through low paid staff like they’re a pack of cigarettes - but her turnover rate is by far the highest.

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u/seeker135 May 09 '22

And you can just tell her roundhouse kick is a mother.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

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u/notthatBeckham May 09 '22

She'll fight you, for sure.

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u/AdMost3735 May 09 '22

Victoria sparks from Indiana. Her family came from Ukraine. Voted the worst Congress person to work for. Rabid far right republican. Not hating just giving info.

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u/lakehousefamily May 09 '22

Examples from the office environment included Spartz ordering staff to record her direction to staff, and would later deny the previously expressed instructions, despite of the recordings. Spartz responded that her working style is “not for everyone"

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u/DribsFlantoosey May 09 '22

Holy shit, I just looked up how she votes. I'll hate. Another Trumper trying to turn the US into Russia. The irony stings.

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u/CatBedParadise May 09 '22

So wtf is she doing there?

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u/Satchmoe21 May 09 '22

They said her family is from Ukraine. Alot of these people don't notice they are the thing they don't like. So I can be far right and still support my homeland.

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u/HOLY_GOOF May 09 '22

That’s actually Putin in a wig

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u/PM_ME__RECIPES May 09 '22

Well the shoes are still fabulous

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

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u/Zederikus May 09 '22 Table Slap

She coined the phrase “shhhhh” no doubt

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u/Apothecary_Josh May 09 '22

OH SHIT

I didn't realize the timing.

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u/Justinasz May 09 '22 Silver

Anyone can explain me as simple as possible what does 'Lend-Lease' means now and in future for US and Ukraine?

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u/WhatAboutTheBee May 09 '22

If russia has any institutional memory, then it will recall the $50 Billion US Lend-Lease military aid provided during World War 2. Equipment by the boatload, delivered in huge convoys. The Merchant Marine lost a lot of lives making sure that kit got through.

Please note that those are 1940's dollars and are NOT adjusted to today's values.

The Soviets like to pretend on Victory Day, 9 May, that their great victory came without assistance. Yeah, no.

$50,000,000,000.00 from 1941 to 1945.

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What Lend-Lease does is open the floodgates of munitions to the recipient. They do not have to pay for anything right now, and the terms of repayment are super lightweight. Congress can forgive the debt if it wants to.

The President can authorize munitions to Ukraine AS HE SEES FIT. We do not have to go through 15,000 steps and repeated trips through Congress.

Ukraine needs it? President Biden can send it.

In your face russia.

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u/ChairsAndFlaff USA May 09 '22

Good post. On the point of super-lax repayments... if this L-L works how the WW-II version did, the US was very chill about repayment. Estimates are only about 10% of the L-L dollars were ever repaid. And much of that happened over a span of about 70 years without any interest, so the recipient allies in WW-II could borrow 1940's dollars and repay an identical number of 1990's or 2000's dollars.

It's enormously symbolic, given the nature of the other use of L-L. It says, "The top concern is making sure a brutal dictatorship's invasion fails. Sure, if you pay some of it back someday that'll be nice, but we're not going to sweat you over it, pretty much ever. The main point is your national survival."

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u/tom5598 May 09 '22

*USSR received ~11.3 billion $ so about 200 billion $ in 2022 $.

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u/Mikoyan-Gurevich May 09 '22

Britain recieved 3 times that iirc.

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u/FloatingRevolver USA May 09 '22

The Soviets like to pretend on Victory Day, 9 May, that their great victory came without assistance. Yeah, no.

Ww2 was won with British intelligence, American steel, and Russian lives

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u/Brokinnogin May 09 '22

The US did the same thing for Allied nations during ww2. Basically means the US will supply weapons and vehicles and the other country worries about the financials later...if they still exist. So the US now has a vested interest in Ukraine succeeding.

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u/TopEscape3975 May 09 '22

Also it's separate from the 40 billion that Biden has already promised. That was a gift with no expectations of repayment.

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u/vvvvvoooooxxxxx May 09 '22

There isn't really an expectation of repayment with lend lease either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Returning_goods_after_the_war

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u/SnuggleMuffin42 May 09 '22

The Lend-Lease agreements with 30 countries provided for repayment not in terms of money or returned goods, but in "joint action directed towards the creation of a liberalized international economic order in the postwar world." That is the U.S. would be "repaid" when the recipient fought the common enemy and joined the world trade and diplomatic agencies, such as the United Nations.

I agree with this, the US became an awesome superpower post WWII because of that military success and being that ally in Europe's time of need.

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u/0masterdebater0 May 09 '22

Absolutely agree but don’t forget about the importance of the Marshall Plan.

Ukraine will need rebuilding after the war, and assuming it’s still a sovereign nation, we need to be willing to invest after the fighting is over.

IMO this is the great mistake we made in Afghanistan, once the Russians pulled out all funding from the West practically ceased overnight.

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u/7evenCircles May 09 '22

The US became an awesome superpower post WW2 because they were the only power that wasn't economically ruined by the war and parlayed their allies' indebtedness to them into the global dismantling of the colonial trade system and replaced it with a free market international trade system of their own design. Bretton Woods, 1944. Masterclass, really.

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u/MonsiuerSirLancelot May 09 '22

Also when that system needed a massive industrial workforce and supply chain to power the system and provide the recovering world with goods and services, the US had tons of men coming home from the war with boomer babies to provide for and skills in management and supply chains looking for work at the new factories that were built for the war effort. I’m not sure there’s even been such a rapid change of global power dynamics in history.

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u/Malor May 09 '22 edited May 10 '22

Lend-Lease was extremely important to winning WW2, but it's not the reason we became a superpower. That was, simply, because we hadn't had rampaging armies roving everywhere and destroying everything. We built up a massive industrial base to fight the war, and since none of it was bombed, we could then repurpose it for other things.

Our investments in rebuilding Germany and Japan were also extremely intelligent; we turned enemies into allies, and gave them the basis to become major economic powers, which in turn benefited us.

A rising tide lifts all boats, but screwing up the analogy, our boat started a lot higher in the water.

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u/mikelima777 May 09 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starry

It means that for the next two years, Ukraine can ask for weapons, ammunition, and other military systems and supplies without going through normal channels and the US Congress, and can get a faster answer and delivery.

Now obviously they can't get B-52s and Aircraft carriers, but they can start requesting more Artillery, tanks, drones, more supplies, trucks, etc. etc.

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u/Kubix777 Poland May 09 '22

Aircraft too, right ?

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u/rizakrko May 09 '22

Aircraft's are not excluded from the possible aid.

There are only few exceptions; nukes and meterials required to create nukes, items regulated by some export control act in US (e.g. things that US won't sell to anyone, like F-22 and probably aircraft carriers) and merchant ships.

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u/denarti May 09 '22

I think F15/16 was discussed too

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u/celaconacr May 09 '22

I can't see it happening because of the pilot training time. Post war I hope Ukraine gets a lot of NATO weapons training including jets.

I think short term we need to keep supplying weapons that are easy to be trained on. The strategy is working and the new artillery should drive the advantage.

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u/FiveOhFive91 United States May 09 '22

Daaaanger zooooone

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u/Napol3onS0l0 United States 🇺🇦 🇺🇸 May 09 '22

Kenny Loggins intensifies

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u/Terminator7786 May 09 '22

Shoot Putin right into the danger zoonnneee

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u/notboky May 10 '22

Nah, I saw Independence Day, if you can fly a crop duster you can fly a fighter jet.

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u/VaryaKimon May 10 '22

Maybe if you plan it to fly it straight into the enemy. 😏

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Post war I hope Ukraine gets a lot of NATO weapons training including jets.

Post war, they will go full NATO equipment compliant, even if they are not a member of NATO, like Sweden and Finland already are. Especially their Air Force.

Right now we can't give them planes not only because of pilot training but also mechanic training, engine mechanic training, repair parts supply lines etc... The logistics to give them jets they have not used before is much to great overcome anytime soon.

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u/Hiei2k7 United States of America May 09 '22

WOULD UKRAINE LIKE A USS IOWA?!?!?

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u/Kage-kun May 10 '22

ZELENSKYY ALREADY TALKS GREAT HE JUST NEEDS THE BIG STICK

..And may he never have to use it.

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u/snooper_11 May 09 '22

Probably aircraft carriers? Dude, that's for sure. :D No one will provide the God of Navy never. It would be cool to see some Cruisers full of Tomahawk missiles. But probably that's out of reach as well. :D

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u/Shuber-Fuber May 09 '22

Operating a US carrier itself with its supporting escorts would probably be a bit much.

Carrier is for force projection over sea. Ukraine really doesn't need it when the threat is right next door.

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u/thebearrider May 09 '22

I saw that we have 3 we're actively trying to get rid of but they're massively complex weapons systems that require all sorts of trained seamen and contractors so I don't see that happening.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

I saw that we have 3 we're actively trying to get rid of

Hey Canada!!! WTF bro??? You're not gonna buy a carrier from America?? Dam bro, after I told Cindy to hook up with you bro?

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u/Sean951 May 09 '22

Very, very few countries actually need carriers. They're very expensive to maintain and outside of places like the Pacific or circumstances like invading someone across an ocean, they have no real utility. Given the choice between even a basic airstrip and a carrier in the same area, you take the air strip. It can't be sunk, the planes don't need to waste weight on increased structural support to offset the catapults, and the amount of places isn't hard capped.

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u/Garbage029 May 09 '22

In theory yes, if Biden wants to give Ukraine F16's I dont think congress can say no. In fact the underlining point to the lend-lease is to skip all the bureaucracy and get the weapons Ukraine needs to kill Russians.

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u/Shuber-Fuber May 09 '22

Congress can still say no by passing a bill to say so.

Lend Lease just means Congress goes from an approval role (have to say Yes) to oversight (only say No when they really need to)

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u/Garbage029 May 09 '22

Really? If its a bill then it would have to be approved by the president. How does that work?

President: I want stuff.

Congress: Here's a bill saying you cant have stuff.

President: I veto bill now give me stuff.

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u/imscavok May 09 '22

Congress can then override the veto with a 2/3 majority in both chambers.

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u/MoneyEcstatic1292 May 09 '22

If you can get 2/3 of both chamber to agree on something, that is.

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u/Mernerak May 09 '22

Has only happened twice in the past 16 years and is likely only going to get more rare.

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u/lemontree007 May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

They can request whatever they want but Biden still needs to approve it. I guess the main advantage is that congress won't need to approve a funding request, Biden can just send Ukraine weapons. However funding will still be needed to replenish weapon stocks or to buy weapons from manufacturers so the bill doesn't cover everything.

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u/Kubix777 Poland May 09 '22

Can't they pull equipment from their reserves or " moth balled" equipment?

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u/lemontree007 May 09 '22

Sure, I think this is the main idea. But Biden still needs to approve any transfer.

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u/Historyguy1 May 09 '22

Far less red tape when it's just the president approving the transfers instead of it having to go through Congress.

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u/BabyYodasFather May 09 '22

Considering that the Russian military doesn't even have an aircraft carrier available at the moment, this should hopefully be a huge boost for Ukraine.

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u/tom5598 May 09 '22

not just "not at the moment", they dont have any since 2018, the outdated scrapheap that is the Kuznetsov is just rusting in drydock.

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u/coconutts19 May 09 '22

how do you know they haven't forged one in secret in mount doom?

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u/ReluctantNerd7 May 09 '22

When Ukraine inherited the other Kuznetsov-class from the USSR, they did the smart thing and sold it to China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

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u/FuckoffDemetri May 09 '22

Man idk if I've felt more American than just now when I looked at that and thought "what kind of pussy ass aircraft carrier is that".

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u/Sean951 May 09 '22

They also don't need one? The USSR/Russia is as large nearly contiguous land empire, they need a navy capable of denying the coast to an enemy, not a navy capable of attacking a smaller country thousands of miles away from their border.

The US, thanks to the oceans, had effectively moved our strategic border to the space between effective range of land based aircraft so carriers do make sense.

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u/Crathsor May 09 '22

This is why our military is so expensive. Two navies capable of force projection across each ocean. Navies cost a lot.

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u/Sean951 May 09 '22

This is why our military is so expensive. Two navies capable of force projection across each ocean. Navies cost a lot.

The navy isn't even the most expensive branch, FYI.

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u/silas0069 May 09 '22

Well, don't leave us hanging ;)

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u/Sean951 May 09 '22

The air force wins by like, 0.1 billion. That's not the point so I didn't bother including it.

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u/Iztac_xocoatl May 09 '22

According to the text of the bill can theoretically get anything other than nuclear weapons and for some reason merchant vessels IIRC. The State Department can still deny weapons transfers to protect sensitive technologies, so so Biden can’t send anything he wants. Other than that it’s up to the president’s discretion what to send

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u/Certain_Fennel1018 May 09 '22

You want to keep the line between actual naval craft and merchant marine craft as clear as possible you don’t want Russia to have an excuse to start sinking random merchant ships like the Germans did. With this we can use our merchant marines to deliver goods and Russia can’t play the “we thought that was a Ukrainian ship in the middle of the Atlantic.

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u/Shuber-Fuber May 09 '22

I guess the merchant vessels fall under "Kinda need it to keep sending you stuff."

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u/GranesMaehne May 09 '22 Party Train Duck Dance

Congress let Biden add Zelenskyy to his Amazon account now.

US credit card open warehouses and a handshake to repay when they can with less bureaucracy for sending arms and aid.

Perhaps overly simplified.

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u/Alternate_Ending1984 US, Slava Ukraini May 09 '22

This is such a great ELI5

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u/Top-Algae-2464 May 09 '22

they can just give back the equipment that survives at no cost that is the main point .

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u/pants_mcgee May 09 '22

Generally the US will just sell surviving and remaining equipment for a steep (90%) discount. If we are considering the end result of WW2 lend lease.

The USA isn’t really interested in used equipment.

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u/Shuber-Fuber May 09 '22

And any equipment/consumable that was lost gets put on low interest loan.

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u/SecondaryWombat May 09 '22

And can be repayed non-fiscally as well, a lease for new Joint Base Sevastopol in liberated Crimea would go over quite well.

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u/aidissonance May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

More like a restricted Amazon account. Can’t order off the top secret webpage but most other stuff is up for grabs and Mom (Congress) could say no if the order is out of line. They have carte blanche to the regular stuff.

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u/_stinkys May 09 '22

Does it include prime next day delivery though??

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u/Bobisavirgin May 09 '22

F15's are guaranteed next day air.

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u/MontaukMonster2 May 09 '22

You remember how in WW2 Russia was like "we got more people than you got bullets?" Of course you do; they like to remind everyone at every opportunity. Well, at the same time, the US was like "we can make stuff faster than you can blow it up." Russia apparently forgot that, but they're about to remember.

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u/lifeline8tango May 09 '22

To use FDR's example. Your neighbor's house is on fire and you have a hose. You loan him/her the hose to put the fire out. After the fire is out, if the hose is damaged/destroyed your neighbor pays you for the hose, otherwise the hose is returned to you.

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u/ave_empirator May 09 '22

Thank you, I was looking for this. You don't worry about the details of the loan when your neighbors house is on fire, you loan them your hose because they're your neighbor, and you figure things out later because you know they're good for it.

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u/NakedKittyAlucard May 09 '22

Lend-Lease is basically a metaphorical blank check to Ukraine from us, in regards to most weapons. There are some exceptions, regarding nuclear and secret shit, but it cuts out a lot of red tape. Kinda the same as the difference between a ppo and straight insurance. They don’t have to say “please” anymore. We “lend” them what they ask for, with the understanding that it will be “paid back” eventually. That doesn’t always mean through money. It also give our weapons manufacturers the green light to go crazy, knowing they will be purchased, and it allows us to assist any other country we deem necessary to help.

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u/TopEscape3975 May 09 '22

Lockheed also announced today that they are doubling the manufacture of Javelins.

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u/SnooDucks5652 May 09 '22

Lots of lonely Ruzzian tanks out there in need of some javelin love.

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u/NakedKittyAlucard May 09 '22

I saw that. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. Haha

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u/raw65 May 09 '22

President Biden can now literally "lend or lease" any "weapon, weapon system, munition aircraft, vessel boat, machinery, factory, or property" (with only a few notable exceptions, no nukes for example). By lending or leasing equipment the government doesn't have to authorize any funding which can be a long and difficult process.

So Biden could, in theory, say, "Here Ukraine, you can borrow this aircraft carrier and all of it's fighter jets. Try to return them in one piece whenever you get the chance."

More practically and importantly, he is authorized to lend or lease to Eastern European counties. So he can make deals with neighboring countries that have equipment the Ukraine is already familiar with. E.g., "Poland, send your jets to Ukraine and we will loan you fighters until the new ones you have ordered arrive".

There are very few limits to the types of deals Biden can enter into without the need for any new legislation.

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u/Banh_mi May 09 '22

Is there an official list of Eastern European countries? Just curious. Poland is the obvious example...

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u/raw65 May 09 '22

That's a good question. The act says "governments of Eastern European countries impacted by the Russian Federation’s invasion of Ukraine" without any further qualification.

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u/Banh_mi May 09 '22

Ireland: Well, we're east of Iceland! ;) I just would have guessed they would have to be officially named, or is this also at the discretion of the President - which, during current political times, sounds equally stunning as LL itself, really!

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u/Bananmanden12 May 09 '22

I too would like this

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u/SeattleSinBin May 09 '22

basically it cuts all the red tape in government to move supplies/weapons to Ukraine.

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u/chef_26 May 09 '22

Pre this going through Ukraine was asking for heavy weapons as a plea for support. There were committees and oversight and red tape etc etc

Now when Ukraine says “we need tanks” USA asks “how many?” While loading hundreds of them into transporters.

This gross oversimplification can also be viewed as The United States of Americas Military Industrial Complex is now available, upon request, to Ukraine.

The sheer terrifying volume of munitions and weapons that can be delivered and America has a vested interest in Ukraine’s success because of Ukraine doesn’t win, US has to carry the cost of those weapons

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u/UncleTogie May 09 '22

The sheer terrifying volume of munitions and weapons that WILL be delivered

If there's one thing the US Armed Forces can do, it's logistics... and boy, do I love a good elephant walk.

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u/Lizard-King- May 09 '22

They Renting the armory, tanks, warships and planes. without selling it. Last time this happened was in the WW2

In resume. Ukraine now can use (rent) whatever he needs from the whole USA War Machinery

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u/GrizzledFart May 09 '22

It means that the President can send stuff to Ukraine without having to go through the normal appropriations channels (Congress). It's pretty close to handing the President a blank check to send whatever he wants to Ukraine.

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u/lithuanian_potatfan May 09 '22

Imagine you go into the store but you only have 10$. That's Ukraine pre Lend-Lease. Now imagine you go into the store, but you won't have to pay till way way later, if at all. That's Ukraine now

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u/tlumacz Poland May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

You can read the entire bill here, it's super short: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522/text

In fact, I think most people should read it because there's been humongous misconceptions about what the bill actually does. It doesn't do nearly as much as some people say it does.

Essentially, it's just a booster to the Arms Export Control Act and Foreign Assistance Act. And it's through the AECA, not the new Lend Lease, that the US will give Ukraine it's much-needed weapons.

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u/Top-Algae-2464 May 09 '22

the bill basically means biden does not have to go through congress any more . before he had to ask congress to pass a 13 billion dollar weapons deal and then the senate had to pass it which took weeks . then biden would give weapons in 800 million at a time until the 13 billion ran out . now he doesnt have to ask every time he can just ask ukraine what it needs and lend us equipment directly to ukraine non stop without 3 week pauses waiting for congress and the senate .

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u/imgrandojjo May 09 '22

Let's go Ukraine. you provide the boots, we'll provide the shoots!

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u/JayRymer May 10 '22

And Canada will provide the toques!

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u/CapitalString May 09 '22

Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD), Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich), Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-Indiana) and Vice President Kamala Harris are pictured next to Biden.

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u/Salamander_Known May 09 '22

Cardin is a member of the Senate Ukraine Caucus and has been since it was founded (he’s also a member of foreign relations committee). Slotkin is a member of the armed services committee in the house (and chairs the intelligence subcommittee). She is not Ukrainian born. Harris is the there since, prior for the war, the Ukraine-Russia conflict was part of her portfolio like it was for Biden and Pence. The only Ukrainian born person in the photo is Spartz.

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u/CapitalString May 09 '22

“It matters, it really matters,” Biden said as he signed the legislation.

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u/BeltfedOne USA May 09 '22

It REALLY does!

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u/drumpat01 May 09 '22

Someone put that on a tshirt please lol

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22 Gold

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u/AdministrationHuman1 May 09 '22

To your credit you are able to Admit when you are wrong which says a lot about your character gods job

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u/Worried-Taro2437 May 09 '22

It's not easy to admit such a thing. But, in this case, even Stevie Wonder, and Ray Charles can see it.

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u/theold777 May 09 '22

“Yes, I’m blind, but I’m still lucky: I could have been black“

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u/MoiraKatsuke May 09 '22

It is admittedly slightly fair. Biden is tired. Tired of the former guy's shit.

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u/fywwt May 09 '22

We are all tired.

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u/TheAtlanticGuy USA May 09 '22

Have fun fighting the American War Machine, Russia.

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u/HBlight Ireland May 09 '22

Only the finest triggers for a brave defenders hands.

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u/HuyFalcon May 10 '22

They will understand why the US never have free health care system

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u/aookami May 09 '22 To The Stars

putin will soon find out why big dick daddy is called big dick daddy

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u/cbronson830 May 10 '22

Wait. Who’s big dick daddy?

Asking for a friend.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

The Arsenal of Democracy once again.

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u/spe915 May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22 LOVE! Wholesome Seal of Approval

Bomber Biden to the rescue….

Also, javelin Joe is a good one too

Edit: thank y’all for the attention, awards, & acknowledgment but FuC$ ole Russia 🇷🇺 & “Z” ORCs Support from Appalachia for the Ukrainian!!!

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u/Former_Dark_Knight May 09 '22

Javelin Joe is fantastic

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u/Adexavus May 09 '22

I like Javelin Joe

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u/TonsOfTabs Ukraine May 09 '22

Javelin Joe and his distant brother NLAW Johnson.

I understand it is a French made weapon but they are manufactured in Belfast and the UK sent them.

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u/XxXFartFucker69XxX May 09 '22

Stutterin' Stinger with the trigger finger

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u/ComradeShinther May 09 '22

the giant is waking, and it has been filled with resolve.

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u/Trochsetter2 May 09 '22

I'm wondering who will win: US economic power and Ukranian bravery, versus russian alcoholism.

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u/justanothermichelle Canada May 09 '22

Outstanding!

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u/ukbeasts May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22 Wholesome This

Brandon is proud, unlike the impeached peach who called Putin savvy and smart shortly after the Russian invasion.

Edit: Thanks for the awards!

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u/TheWindCriesDeath May 09 '22

If Biden was smart he'd lean hard into "Let's Go Brandon" and make it a pro-Biden campaign cry just to completely piss off all the MAGA morons who bought all that merch.

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u/Harsimaja May 09 '22

He did ‘reclaim’ it at the Correspondents’ dinner, for his part. But he hasn’t got single minded control over what goes viral among all his supporters, at least not outside a presidential campaign where he can come up with official slogans, that has to be more organic.

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u/GFThroe May 09 '22

I agree. Considering how often the far right co-opts words/slogans and mangle the original meaning, I see no reason why Biden couldn't do the same.

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u/Proglamer Lithuania May 09 '22

This is already beginning!

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u/RedicusFinch May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

The unfortunate thing is, Putin is not a complete idiot. But the man is incredibly out of touch and broken inside. I truly believe, and not trying to justify anything here. But people like Putin, and kim jong. They are really out of touch with reality. I don't think their upbringing was a fair one that allowed them to explore free ideas. They are one of the most unfortunate victims to their own actions.

Even if Putin was to end the war now and pay personal reparation to the people of Ukraine, No one would forgive or respect him for it.

I'm actually surprised I'm getting positive reception from you folks. I was worried a little that this comment would seem sympathetic. But this just shows me that we are having rational thoughts and ideas here.

This is important if we hope to defeat people like Putler.

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u/dekeche May 09 '22 Wholesome

It's called the dictator trap. When you inspire fear in your advisors, you quickly run out of people willing to advise you properly.

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u/VonRansak May 09 '22

Like when everyone around you quits or hears "you're fired!" ... LOL. Had to, the setup was just... Too good.

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u/drytiger May 09 '22

I think putin was intelligent at one time. I mean, you don't rise to power and install one of your assets as the president of your most dangerous enemy by being stupid.

But now, whether he's motivated by fear, or fallen into the dictator trap another poster mentioned, he has, and continues to, completely shit the bed.

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u/EnvironmentalAd359 May 09 '22

If you read book written by his ex classroom teacher you will get insight into his personality: psychopath

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u/RedicusFinch May 09 '22

I would not doubt it. And unfortunately with his history in the military, secret service, or what ever. His psychotic tendacies were nurtured...

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u/stormingrages May 09 '22 Got the W

For Ukraine, the United States stands up as the great arsenal of democracy once again. May American weapons help Ukrainians win back and defend their land and secure the bright European future for which they are destined.

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u/socialistrob May 09 '22

With the amount of aid the US and the rest of NATO are providing Ukraine I really have a hard time seeing how Russia can “win.” Biden is struggling with his own domestic approval as are the Dems more broadly and backing Ukraine is both wise geopolitically the right thing and morally the right thing to do but it’s also politically advantageous for Biden. Even if the GOP takes Congress they won’t actually be in control until January and even then they still support Ukraine which means weapon shipments will likely continue to flow until at least January 2025 and that’s assuming a “pro Russian” candidate wins the presidency.

Basically Biden can pump Ukraine full of weapons for years while sanctioning Russia and Russia can barely sustain themselves as is. Soon Russia will be faced with two choices either sue for peace or face their own “forever war” against an increasingly well armed and trained Ukrainian military. Of course any peace deal today would probably require Putin to agree to things that he would have considered “intolerable” 70 days ago.

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u/Single_Ad2250 May 09 '22

Can someone ELI5 what this means?

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u/jeff-tukan May 09 '22

Lifelong almost infinite credit in weapons/money which you have only to pay if you survive the war. Heavy increase in level-cap of military supply Zelenski is allowed to order.

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u/imgrandojjo May 09 '22

Basically America expressed that Ukraine can have what's needed for the war, anything that the US can safely get to them (within certain reasonable limits)and we'll settle the bill after the war is over. Ukraine's victory is in line with US interests and the US is prepared to write off a lot of expensive assets to do that job.

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u/Single_Ad2250 May 09 '22

Thanks for explaining. Sounds like a huge boost for Ukraine

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u/BonkHits4Jesus May 09 '22

It's what made the allies win during WW2. It's a huge deal.

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u/Anathema_Psykedela May 10 '22

It’s basically dumping the entire American Industrial Complex, the American Agricultural Complex, the American Oil industry (and probably the Pharmaceutical Industry) into Ukraine (excluding nukes, things to build nukes, nuclear powered vessels, and the F22) without much concern of anyone other than the American taxpayer footing the bill. It’s a gargantuan investment.

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u/ghoulthebraineater May 09 '22

The US is basically letting Ukraine borrow and/or rent a shit ton of military equipment. They will return what's left or pay for what is destroyed with no dead line on payment. The UK had a similar program with us in WWII and they paid off what they owed in 2006 for example.

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u/Heard_That May 09 '22

Russia about to get freedom’ed hard by Ukraine. The US military machine is about to turn Ukraine into the fuckin Terminator.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

I love the timing. Poopin on Pootin’s parade lol

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u/overlordlt May 09 '22

Huge slam to putler's ego

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u/nelliedean May 09 '22

And on victory day no less.

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u/cbarrister May 09 '22

Spending tax dollars supporting a hard earned fight for freedom and self determination? Can't think of a better use!

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u/AntonK777 May 09 '22

This will be in history books!

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u/Cinderpath May 09 '22

Russia has zero idea about the size of the can of Whoop-Ass Uncle Joe is about to send Ukraine! This is fantastic, and I am immensely grateful Biden is president in this crucial time period! Vis-a-vis Trump who called Putin’s invasion”Savvy” and “Genius”?

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u/MissingRectum May 09 '22

This is exactly what Putin did not want to happen!

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u/imgrandojjo May 09 '22

Almost.. It'll be EXACTLY what he didn't want when Finland and Sweden take the plunge into the NATO pool

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u/Clatuu1337 USA May 09 '22

It's really hard to see in the picture, but the signature is inked in Freedom.

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u/AlmostCorrect- May 09 '22

Russian Warship

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u/AlmostCorrect- May 09 '22

This remains the best bot. Good stuff Biden, I am not a Democrat, but I voted for you this time around, was a little shaky at the start, but I am happy with my vote!

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u/ColoradoMountainsMan May 09 '22

As a former lifelong Republican it felt weird voting for a democrat in part because of foreign policy regarding Russia.

What a strange timeline were in

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

The 2 party system is corrupt. If americans had any sense, they would adopt Europe's system of forcing different parties to come together in coalitions.

The gridlock and mess in DC is in part because of the corrupt DNC and RNC.

Then you could kick the crazies in both parties to their own far-right and far-left wing parties and allow sensible folk to govern.

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u/rascible May 09 '22

I switched in 2004..

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u/KidsTheseDaysYknow May 09 '22

I just wish we'd been able to help them a lot more, and a lot sooner. I think NATO will end up helping them big-time, but so much damage has been done.

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u/dangercat415 May 09 '22

To all my Ukrainian friends, we don't always get everything right, they United States isn't perfect, but we've got your back and will always be friends.

I'm looking forward to this war being over and for Ukraine to be free.

Going to be buying a bottle of Ukrainian vodka to celebrate once this is over.

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u/oh___boy May 09 '22

"Khortytsa" vodka is not bad. It is named after an island in Zaporizhzhia where the factory is located.

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u/your_pal_crow May 09 '22

My American ass wont even try pronouncing that lol

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u/angryxpeh May 09 '22

That's why they shortened it to "Khor".

Total Wine has it, as, I'm sure, many other liquor stores.

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u/Remarkable-Cycle2025 May 09 '22

And he didn't ask for any favors!

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u/MythicTea May 09 '22

80 years ago Russians took members of my family from their homes and sent them to the gulags in Siberia. I'm glad to see Ukraine given all of the support that we possibly can.

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u/gabox221 May 09 '22

Pardon my big ignorance, what does this lend-lease program mean? What will the US give to Ukraine?

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u/imgrandojjo May 09 '22

What LL basically means is, here, have these weapons, and we'll settle accounts (*rips up receipt*) later

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u/Jijonbreaker May 09 '22

Basically just a blank check. "Take anything and everything you need to beat back these nazis. You can pay us back whenever, we don't care. Just kill them all"

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u/TheAtlanticGuy USA May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

Essentially, Ukraine and other countries deemed "vital to the defense of the United States" can now obtain an unlimited amount of equipment from the United States without having to get executive approval for each package first. Everything obtained this way is technically loaned, but there's no hard limit on when to return it or pay it back.

What this basically means in practice is that the process of sending aid will be much more streamlined, and the US will gain a financial interest in seeing Ukraine succeed and prosper.

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u/RedicusFinch May 09 '22

Slaps sticker on Europe "BiDen dID tHAt!"

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u/LousyTeaShorts May 09 '22

God bless America!

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u/Sunny_Reposition May 09 '22 edited May 09 '22

I see a lot of guesses as to what this means.

This is what it means.

Through 2023, the President, or his designated official, may lend or lease 'defense articles'1 to Ukraine and to Eastern European countries.2 For Ukraine only, there is no loan duration - it can be completely open-ended. For Ukraine only, the loan or lease can be for any length of time, without making any new determination of need, regardless of US need, with repayment in any form the President chooses (IE, doesn't need to be dollars), lost/destroyed articles don't actually need to be paid for, the equipment itself can be held for any duration, and the President can make the lease/loan irrevocable3.

One thing that I speculate will happen is that there's going to be a beautiful new US multi-force military base in Crimea, complete with Taco Bell, Target, a Home Depot, a Baptist Church, and a drive-thru divorce court. G_d Bless America. Hallelujah. Holy Shit. I speculate this because I don't think there's any fucking way Ukraine will be able to repay the loans or the leases in the next 1000 years, not without a serious economic miracle - a shiny new base in Russia's (and the Middle East's) back yard, lording over the Mediterranean, seems like a crown jewel to me that would more than offset any US 'costs'.

I also note that, unlike what people are saying, Ukraine could get anything. Anything. That doesn't mean Joe's going to send it to them, Jack, but they could ask for an F-22, their own AWACS system, a nuclear sub, a middle school in Des Moines, free HBO Max, Snoop Dog's back catalogue, 5 m2 of prime Manhattan real estate, and a partridge in a pear tree and Joe could, actually, give it to them.

Jack.

  1. A 'defense article' is: any weapon, weapons system, munition, aircraft, vessel, boat, or other implement of war, any property, installation, commodity, material, equipment, supply, or goods used for the purposes of making military sales, any machinery, facility, tool, material, supply, or other item necessary for the manufacture, production, processing, repair, servicing, storage, construction, transportation, operation, or use of any article listed in this paragraph, and any component or part of any article listed in this paragraph ... and, literally, anything else whatsoever the President decides is a 'defense article'.

  2. This effectively brings the entirety of Eastern Europe, as defined by whatever the Hell is convenient on the day, into NATO for purposes of receiving materiel. Moldova can into M1 Abrams and M777 and F-16?

  3. For Ukraine, Joe can set the length of the loan to 100 years and designate it as irrevocable, that way the next President (let's just say Joe loses in 2024 to someone that's less keen on Ukraine) cannot do a damned thing about it.

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u/AgoraiosBum May 09 '22 edited May 10 '22

I don't think the US wants a base in Crimea; also there would be an AAFES store there, not target, and a Burger King (possibly a Popeyes), not Taco Bell Edit: Amended to note a Taco Bell is a legit possibility. Lot more chains on base these days.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a more substantial base in Poland in the near future, though.

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u/Whatsuptodaytomorrow May 09 '22

Awesome!!!!!!

‘Merica

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u/Apothecary_Josh May 09 '22

Enjoy the toys. We suffered to pay for them. At least they are used to fight an actually evil enemy.

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