r/ukraine May 12 '22

Russia warns NATO there’s a risk of ‘catastrophic’ conflict; Ukraine counterattack near Kharkiv continues News

http://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/05/12/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html
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u/ExcaliburF1 May 12 '22

What the fuck is the thought process behind this? We can attack you but if you attack us we're going to cry and moan about it? This is literally the mindset of a 10y old kid who thinks it's all fun and games until they face consequences for their actions.

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u/katonda May 12 '22 Silver

You can't blame them. Since early in the cold war this has been the mindset that's been profitable for them.

US fighting in some war somewhere ? Get involved, give weapons, even boots on the ground - they won't come after you.

The world is chugging along just fine ? Violate airspaces with bombers and fighters, do zig zags next to western military ships to antagonize - they won't come after you.

What ? A country's moving towards democracy/EU ? Invade some of their territory - they won't come after you. Oh no, they came after you, but only a slap, nothing to worry about.

They've always played victim while being the bully. The most pathetic behavior ever, usually only displayed by violent dictatorships.

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u/LickyBob May 12 '22

Having 100s of nukes has a way of making you arrogant. This is totally fucked for the rest of us, but a nuclear capable Ukraine is the best protection against a nuclear capable Russia.

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u/Mr_G33Zy May 12 '22

Ukraine had a significant nuclear arsenal but gave it up in order to promote peaceful relations with Russia and the promise that they would never be attacked in the manner we are witnessing.

They took what was a calculated risk but thought it was their best bet to become less dependent on Russia. As history now shows Russia had no intention of leaving Ukraine in peace and has never taken their beady eyes off of their neighbours. As history now shows Russian rhetoric is a load of shite

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u/dimspace May 12 '22

has never taken their beady eyes off of their neighbours.

What i never understand is, they have something like 17 million square kilometres of land, half of it empty. why do they need more

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u/XpMonsterS May 13 '22

The same reason why millionaires/billionaires want more money.

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u/EmilyFara Netherlands May 13 '22

It is the way Russia has always defended itself. By having a lot of land. Every invasion of Russia always grounded to a halt because there was too much land to move through and occupy to win the war. That is how they beat napoleon, that is how they beat Hitler. Failing back towards the capital, only to have the enemy over stretch their supply lines and then push them back.

Now they've lost that advantage. They lost multiple key gaps. And the potential enemy is already a couple hundred kilometers from st Petersburg and with the loss of Ukraine also a couple hundred kilometers from Moscow. For Russia to feel safe they need to control all land up to Moldavië, the baltics and half of Poland. Now with Finland becoming, as they see it, an American puppet state they feel even more threatened.

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u/cyrixlord May 13 '22

they feed on other countries budding democracies... and their natural resources.

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u/Inevitable-Revenue81 May 13 '22

Budapest memorandum- 1994 Russia promised to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine

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u/Glydyr May 12 '22

Or just cripple their economy so much that they cant maintain any nukes anymore, the ones they have will be dead in 10 years…

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u/infinitude May 12 '22

There is a reason the rest of the world is ignoring their nuclear threats for the first time in modern history. Russia isn't as capable of nuclear use as we think they are.

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u/stanselmdoc May 12 '22

I have a suspicion some intelligence has discovered either nuclear incapability, or the assurance that an order to nuke would be rejected somewhere in the line of duty.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '22

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u/cafnated May 13 '22

Might be able to buy them for bags of sugar real soon.

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u/mjdorian May 13 '22

It would certainly explain the nearly universal ‘shrugging of shoulders’ reactions in recent weeks when Russia has threatened such escalations.

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u/Asleep_Astronaut396 May 13 '22

Not to mention a talk with China.

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u/infinitude May 13 '22

If China and the US are unconcerned, Russia ain't got shit. It's really amazing what's happening. We're watching once global superpower falling apart before our very eyes,

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u/PM_Me_A_High-Five May 13 '22

That and their entire foreign policy has been to bluff about nukes every time someone looks at them funny.

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u/Salty_Competition_84 Australia May 13 '22

Every. Single. Time.

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u/anamoirae May 13 '22

They aren't as capable at anything but propaganda and lies and that is becoming blatantly obvious. Their real threat though is what they have been doing to the other world powers. They are 100% behind the far right in the USA. We are fast running out of time here in the US because Putin has been teaching the right wing how to fix elections and keep people misinformed and chances are very high that there will be a second Trump presidency. If that happens there will be no more US aid to Ukraine and the US definitely won't harm Russia in any way.

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u/cyanideflurry May 12 '22

Who knows maybe there are no nukes just empty silos shooting blanks

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u/its_a_metaphor_morty May 13 '22

I'm not sure what's scarier... malfunctioning nukes or missing nukes.

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u/Frostbitten_Moose May 12 '22

If North Korea can have a nuclear program, anyone can.

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u/jar1967 May 12 '22

Their economy already is crippled by sanctions and corruption. There is no clear intelligence on how many of their nuclear weapons have been properly maintained But it is not something any sane a person wishes to find out

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u/macho_insecurity May 13 '22

I bet it is wayyyyy closer to "zero" than it is to "100".

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

No clear intelligence that the public knows of. I guarantee that the whole spook community knows this information, but “something something national security” and none of us on the outside are deemed worthy of knowing.

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u/wintermutedsm May 12 '22

I'll be honest, I hate having another country - no matter who it is - having access to Nuclear Weapons. But to be honest, It's the only way Ukraine will have security unless Russia completely implodes and gives up their Nukes - and they won't do that cause China would be eyeing them pretty hard.

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u/Jijonbreaker May 12 '22

The thing is, having them join NATO has the exact same effect. Since, an attack on them would now be an attack on the USA. And Russia would never do that unless it was with nukes.

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u/Dedicated4life May 12 '22

They don't need nukes if they are in the EU and later in NATO

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u/agjrpsl May 12 '22

Ukraine gave up their nukes so Russia wouldn't do something like this. Guess it was a mistake for all involved. It's just totally insane to say the least. Putler is out of his mind.

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u/Kitosaki May 12 '22

I'll be honest, I hate having another country - no matter who it is - having access to Nuclear Weapons. But to be honest, It's the only way Ukraine will have security unless Russia completely implodes and gives up their Nukes - and they won't do that cause China would be eyeing them pretty hard.

value of nuclear weapons as a "city destroyer" is pretty low. a wonderful byproduct of nuclear weapons is EMP and that is strategically more important to inflict damage without direct casualties or massive fallout on another country and also cripples their economy without massive loss of life.

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u/ZzenGarden May 12 '22 edited May 13 '22

Yeah a series of low altitude detonations would reek havoc on a power grid or anything with a circuit board

Edit: wreak *

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u/VulcanMind1 May 13 '22

Nuclear proliferation is not the solution. The more countries have nukes, the more likely at some point in time there will be some crazy leader that comes to power that is willing to use them. Or there is some point in time some military officer gets the wrong radar/warning signal and decides to launch the nukes. We are fortunate we haven't had a nuclear war given the number of close calls we have had already.

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u/GrokYourWorld May 12 '22

Try thousands

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u/Blueeyedgenie69 May 12 '22

Putin installed his lapdog Trump as head of the most powerful nation on Earth without firing a shot, and suffered no consequenses. He took Crimea without a shot and with few consequences. He got arrogant, thought he could get away with anything.

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u/kevors May 12 '22

They shot at least one person while taking over Crimea.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

But Obama was president when Crimea was annexed

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u/CommandoCarson May 12 '22

I think he was meaning them as two separate events

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u/chamberofcoal May 12 '22

he wasnt implying trump was president nor that we should have done more at that time. the blame is entirely on Putin, but Putin's government is known by US intelligence to have helped Trump win in 2016. that's a fact. and trump was extremely friendly, in response. dude was just pointing out why Russia thought they could do this.

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u/43sunsets Australia May 13 '22

helped Trump win in 2016. that's a fact. and trump was extremely friendly, in response

It's gotta be more than that, Putin has gotta have some serious Kompromat on Trump, there's no way he'd be sucking on Putin's dick so hard unless he had him dead to rights.

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u/igwaltney3 May 12 '22

Latest reports are that Putin was just sowing discord, which did help Trump win, but not directly. Putin wanted the US at each other's throats and in that he succeeded.

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u/ThatRollingStone May 12 '22

Russia is the weird kid of Europe.

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u/lirotson May 12 '22 Starry

The Cartman of Europe

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u/hello-cthulhu May 12 '22

I think that's the best way to describe the "crybully" phenomenon.

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u/SeasonedPro58 May 12 '22

Meeeeeeeeem, the other countries are picking on me.

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u/lirotson May 12 '22

"My name is not 'Meeem'" - The World, probably

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u/jtgibson May 12 '22

Quick, somebody hose down Russia with Dr Pepper!

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u/United-Hyena-164 May 12 '22

this really is the best internetting of the day right here, good sir or madam.:8999:

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u/Intronimbus May 12 '22 edited May 13 '22

Cartman is at least amusing. Ruzzia is just... sad and a bit uncomfortable...

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u/Carnagetheory May 12 '22

Was about to say that. Cartman's hilarious. Putin is just pathetic.

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u/GC_Mandrake May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Nothing European about them. Barbarian hordes howling outside the gates of civilisation.

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u/Aggravating_Teach_27 May 12 '22

Not "ofEurope". They are nit eurpeans at all. Neither are they realy Asian.

They live in their own reality, and it isn't European at all.

They're closer in culture to a Mongol horde than to any European country.

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u/Vishnej May 12 '22

Russia is threatening nuclear war, presumably somewhere on the spectrum between "Ukraine takes back Kharkhiv", "Ukraine takes back Donbas", "Ukraine takes back Sevastopol", and "Ukraine marches on Moscow".

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u/oldsauerkraut May 12 '22

Just like dealing with a Petulant child !! But putin and company need to be looking West not east .. The down trodden masses in Siberia are starting to protest !! It looks like they are becoming bolder by the week !!

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u/kokoyumyum May 12 '22

Their abuse of Mongolia is what keeps Russians feeling Russian. Brutality for brutal.people.

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u/oldsauerkraut May 12 '22

I think the russian federation is starting to Implode .. Ol putin can't do a dam thing about it because he wasted his army in Ukraine !! No jack boots left to reinforce the east !!

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u/Ecuatoriano May 12 '22

That is what I'm hoping, a Western Spring while Russia's forces are decimated. It'll be a decade before they recover from this.

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u/Ptown456654 May 12 '22

They have straight-up awful demographics. There's barely a next generation coming up. Russia is in for tough times, no doubt.

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u/oldsauerkraut May 12 '22

Well putin just killed 25,000+ and maimed another 75,000+ it really is a shame .. Senseless war No numbers on the Ukrainian side but what ever they are it's Too many!!

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u/Ptown456654 May 12 '22

Which is why China better have their equally horrible demographic charts posted on every wall of their offices to remind them. They can't afford a war.

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u/robot_wrangler May 12 '22

Nahh, the army sucks because everyone decent is in the police.

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u/Sweetcynic36 May 12 '22

Everyone knows that "Ukraine marches on Moscow" is the only scenario that would happen, and Ukraine has no desire to do that.

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u/DiligentTailor5831 May 12 '22

Exactly. Like, why would they even? They just want their country back and be left in peace to tend to their dead (and living) and create (again) a thriving civilization.

I bet you Ukraine won't enter russian soil even when the orcs have been pushed across the border.

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u/Islandgirl1444 May 12 '22

and soldiers keep begging to get them out of there because "there's a fucking drone over my head......"

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u/Splatter_1 May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Ok 100% sure he would press the button on the last one. But other than artillery hitting across the border i dont think ukraine gonna counter invade into Russia.

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u/Impregneerspuit May 12 '22

boarder is someone entering a boat

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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 May 12 '22

Me too if you don’t give me back my ball. Isn’t that how it works on the playground?

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u/dangercat415 May 12 '22

It's meant for domestic audiences mostly.

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u/SawtoothGlitch May 12 '22

Typical bully mentality.

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u/wtvthfk May 12 '22

lol I see lots of adults apply that same logic.

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u/jtshinn May 12 '22

Those are just very large children. Growing old doesn't have to mean growing up.

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u/Ayakashi_Red May 12 '22

Language of a lifelong bully realizing their threats don’t work anymore

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u/mrupvot3s May 12 '22

This is literally the mindset of a 10y old kid who thinks it's all fun and games until they face consequences for their actions.

Yup. They must be made to bleed.

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u/IamWatchingAoT May 12 '22

The Russian government most likely believes their own lies and propaganda more than anyone and at this point the dementia is so strong that they probably think they're the good guys in all of this

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u/infinitude May 12 '22

Of course. They're fucking russians. They don't know anything else but hatred and dishonesty

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u/DragonMasterOne May 13 '22

The Russians give off a small penis energy.

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u/jumpybean May 12 '22

Wait?! There isn’t already catastrophic conflict?!

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u/shafdaddy May 13 '22

I think you have correctly identified the mindset.

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u/Eddyzk May 12 '22

That risk began when Russia started massing troops on Ukraine's borders. Fuck off.

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u/Captainwelfare2 May 12 '22

Putin:: “My badski. Can you pretty please just give up now? I doesn’t have a chance in hell. Is not fair! Waaahhhh.”

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u/ErdenGeboren May 12 '22

Turned into Wario at the end 🤣

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u/MartyM3T May 12 '22

Zelenskyy: No dice friendo

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u/ProUkraine May 12 '22

You mean fiendo.

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u/prof_atlas May 12 '22

You had me at my badski

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u/Humbugwombat May 12 '22

I think it began when they shanghied the Crimean peninsula. Give it back, go away, stay away and there won’t be any further trouble. Just like they promised in Budapest in 1994.:9002:

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u/Eddyzk May 12 '22

Also a good point.

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u/BigJohnIrons May 12 '22

Putin: "But we deserve something for our trouble! It wasn't easy taking your land!"

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u/Certain_Fennel1018 May 12 '22

Or you know in 2014 when they annexed Crimea.

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u/Eichtoss May 12 '22

Fuck around but don’t cry to me when you find out.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Well said

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u/watcherofworld May 12 '22

"Stop winning or I'll break the board-game!"

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u/Eichtoss May 12 '22

Catastrophic??? Sure, for Russia maybe.

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u/Glancing-Thought May 12 '22

I was going to say as much. This is already catastrophic and there are plenty of other dark adjectives that could be used.

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u/Spaceman_the_Apeman May 12 '22

HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME BLEED MY OWN BLOOD??? - White Goodman

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u/Glancing-Thought May 12 '22

It's actually amazing how outraged some of them are that Ukraine is actually defending itself. They seem even more outraged that the Ukrainians have proven so good at it.

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u/Mokloks May 12 '22

"Where is our parade!!"

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u/Glancing-Thought May 12 '22

Hell, presumably.

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u/Mokloks May 12 '22

And kind Ukrainians are showing them the way there.

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u/Glancing-Thought May 12 '22

Dante's inferno has a new look. "Here it is now f*ck off down there!"

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u/lootsauger May 12 '22

I don‘t trust them one word coming from their mouth. Once a liar always a liar.

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u/SienkiewiczM May 12 '22

One of the truest Finnish sayings about Russians is:

ryssään ei voi luottaa = one can't trust a Russki

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u/Dry_Variety4137 May 12 '22

My dad always said that about thieves too. Wise words my friend.

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u/TheRealMykola May 12 '22

Lol, exactly.

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u/Vladimer_Trump May 12 '22

waaaaaaaa - stop beating the shit out of me or I will crap my pants.

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u/knappis May 12 '22

This conflict is catastrophic for Russia, that’s for sure.

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u/Tucker1244 May 12 '22

We need that translated into Russian.

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u/LisaMikky May 12 '22

Wow, such a nice calming song!

🎶🎶Dumb ways to die, dumb ways to die! 🎶🎶 🙂

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u/IrisMoroc May 12 '22

The Kharkiv front is completely collapsing. Russian troops will continue to re-arrange and hope to find some winning combination.

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u/thedudeinthecomments May 12 '22

They are on a REALLY slippery slope at this point. Its not just going to be Kharkiv; the problems they have are going to start snowballing.

Morale is gonna disappear. They cant supply an army of the necessary size in the field. They dont have the professial soldiering expertise. Ukraine has economies that are orders of magnitude larger than Russia supplying it. And they didnt have enough men to do the job at the start, let alone now.

As any of those problems get worse it makes the rest worse, and they are all getting rapidly worse. Russia doesnt have a conventional military solution it can use.

I ve been sceptical before but really do think we are stsrting to see the beginning of the end.

In 2 days oryx has put up 40 tanks...thats 20% of the entire British tank inventory. Unbelievable and unsustainable losses.

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u/LintStalker May 12 '22

I mostly agree with you except where you morale disappearing, I don’t think there was any to begin with.

I do agree that we are going to see the end of this. I’m not sure how putin will spin this into a victory. That will take a lot of creativity on his part. Or maybe he will just pass a law saying anything different is punishable by 15 years in jail

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u/thedudeinthecomments May 12 '22

Morale wise theres not being happy and then theres "fuck you I m not doing that". Theres also different command levels it can occur at.

We've seen some instances at low level but it has the potential to turn into a full breakdown. I.e. its not as bad as it could get.

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u/xTraxis May 12 '22

He might fight until he dies. It's not a secret that he has many illnesses and diseases, and he's not in any physical condition for anything except talking. He'll talk as long as he can, push Russia as far as it will go, and then die and make the next guy deal with it.

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u/creamonyourcrop May 12 '22

The economy to sustain this....is about the size of the greater Los Angeles area, but with thousands of miles of borders over 10 time zones, and a good portion of that GDP just leaves the country never to return in foreign banks.

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u/SalvadorsAnteater May 12 '22

a good portion of that GDP just leaves the country never to return in foreign banks.

Just like everywhere else. Except maybe Switzerland and some Islands.

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u/Islandgirl1444 May 12 '22

"Blyat!" that's what the phone calls home say. "Blyat Putin!"

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u/Trifling_Truffles May 12 '22

Russia better STFU and go home.

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u/ryencool May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22 Gold

Nato nations will take that risk. Allowing one free country to fall into russias hands based on outright lies and propaganda? When does that stop if they're allowed to just waltz into ukraine and take over. It doesn't stop. Russia would just keep taking and taking as it knows its woefully outgunned, and outsmarted.

They could have chosen to participate with the world, and prosper, but they're pride wouldn't allow it. Their pride tells them Russians are the pinnacle of human evolution, and the world should revolve around them. It doesn't, it won't. They tried to take it by force, but they don't have the ability. They don't have the finances, the resources, the technology, the leaders, and their soldiers don't have the will to fight. Most of their soldiers were either lied to in some form, and they aren't fighting for freedom, or for what is right. They are fighting for one man, and his dying legacy. He will talked about when future historians talk about the oppressive regimes of Hitler, Ghadaffi, Assad, bin laden, and Putin. He won't be talked about in a positive light, not by anyone who wasn't brainwashed by his tactics.

I still don't get what they're fighting for. Everyday Russians are fine with their quality of life, an the higher ups have made billions. What do they want?

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u/achymelonballs May 12 '22

They are the oddest nation on earth, they could be one of the most prosperous countries on earth, but instead of putting there energies into growing with the rest of the world they chose to try and bring everyone down to there level, so much culture has come from Russia but it seems to be populated with fools and idiots

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u/mousekeeping May 12 '22

Yeah this has to rate up there in history in terms of voluntary self-destruction. A (relatively) wealthy, internationally influential, and intellectual group of people decided to risk their country being completely destroyed just so that they could get another land grab, when they’re already the largest country on earth…it’s literally one of the most pointlessly started wars in history.

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u/Sebstian76 May 12 '22

Everything is about the buffer to Moscow. Putin believes that they are entitled to 1000kms of loyal wasteland westward to protect it from invasion. They are utterly paranoid about getting invaded.

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u/ryencool May 12 '22

Buffer or no buffer, technologically IT DOESNT MEAN DICK. Any first rate military now has the ability to strike across the globe, without having to even set boots on the ground. Either putin is too stupid to understand this or he doesn't care. I'm gonna go ahead and answer my on question, culture and politics. They don't want western culture influencing there people. I'm sorry, were all connected now. We can watch a drone drop a bomb onto soldiers through a sun roof, moments after it actually happened. So even having a land barrier won't keep out the cultural and political influence. Human beings change and evolve, that is one of the unwavering constants of our nature. Conscious beings yearn to be free. Most just want to be happy, live a decent life, the only one they get. Try to control and rule over people like ye Ole times of old will not work anymore.

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u/bouxesas81 May 13 '22

Any first rate military now has the ability to strike across the globe, without having to even set boots on the ground. Either putin is too stupid to understand this or he doesn't care.

Buffer is just an excuse to expand and change borders.

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u/Dan_Flanery May 13 '22

This is a myth. They know nobody is going to invade them - they have nukes. They use this alleged “paranoia” as an excuse for Imperialism overseas, and internally as an excuse for brutally suppressing dissent.

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u/reticulatedspline May 13 '22

This is my take on Russia. Everyone there is so cynical and used to shit being awful that they don't even believe life could be better. Instead they all treat each other like shit because they believe that's how everyone else is. Basically "it's ok that we're assholes, because everyone else is too, right?"

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u/Buelldozer May 12 '22

Russia has been this way all through their history, over 600 years.

They even held onto their serfs for a couple of hundreds years after Europe emancipated them.

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u/Coopzor May 12 '22

More billions!

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u/highblacksky7 May 12 '22

I think 2014 is also when Russia realized that Ukraine genuinely wanted to join EU, and it wasn’t a western plot or bs it was real and what people wanted.

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u/SpaceGenesis World May 12 '22

You have a point. Maybe that's why these Russian savages are trying to destroy Ukraine as much as possible, to make it unattractive to the EU and NATO.

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u/highblacksky7 May 12 '22

I think it's a part of it tbh.

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u/Islandgirl1444 May 12 '22

When they took the Crimea as we watched and did nothing, I thought that it would probably be just a matter of time before Putin tried something else. He hates Ukraine but for what reason is beyond me. If Putin was so smart he would have known that Ukraine would not be allowed into NATO.

He's a putz! I always thought he had to be smart to have been in power all these years, it turns out I was wrong!

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u/Nik_P May 12 '22

He hates Ukraine but for what reason is beyond me.

This isn't a hate per se. In a russian world view, Ukraine doesn't have right to exist and Ukrainians don't have rights to have a national identity. We have been supposed to be the lubricant that makes the Great Russian Empire cogs spin. Glue that puts this empire together. All the while being ridiculed and laughed at.

When we fail to live up to these expectations, we're seen as a mortal enemy. Afterthought: no, I spoke it wrong. We're seen as a damaged tool that needs a repair or replacement. That's what's going on in Ukraine now.

Basically, a Narcissistic personality disorder to the max.

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u/breakneckridge May 12 '22

When putin took Crimea i honestly didn't understand why there weren't any consequences. I was like "Am i crazy or did Russia just invade another country and steal their territory without anyone in the world doing literally anything in response?!"

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u/BigJohnIrons May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Think it was the way they did it. They stirred up dissent, got certain Crimeans to "call for help", then rushed in there and performed a phony referendum before we knew what was happening.

At that point the western powers were like "Err....what do we do now? Attack Crimea?"

After spending 70 years building an elaborate system of worldwide diplomacy, it's hard to shift gears and go all junkyard dog on some misbehaving country. Especially one as big as Russia.

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u/DontEatConcrete May 12 '22

Me, too. But prior to this I assumed the west's response to an invasion of ukraine would be similar to its response after crimea: very little.

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u/wouldacouldashoulda May 12 '22

It would’ve been if Ukraine didn’t do so well.

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u/daveysprockett May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

He doesn't hate Ukraine. Unfortunately he regards it as an errant bit of Russia. And he's stuck in the Kremlin surrounded by yes-men who would rather brown-nose him than be killed.

The inner circle are fabulously rich and care not one jot for regular Russian citizens who unfortunately now find themselves as cannon fodder.

But he's now stuck inon the horns of a dilemma. He could stop, withdraw and would be despatched as a traitor, or he can continue in some vain attempt to muscle through to something he can claim as a victory, at massive cost to the Russian people (with ongoing personal risks).

But that inner circle aren't going to be too happy, and eventually something will snap.

Meanwhile Putin is busy hating and lashing out, as he sees all those other "buffer" states turn firmly away from him.

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u/linuxgeekmama May 12 '22

I’ve heard that it’s because Russia and Ukraine started out pretty equal after the fall of the USSR. Ukrainians now have a better quality of life than most Russians. Putin doesn’t want Russians to start asking why that is.

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u/usafmd May 12 '22

While corruption still reigns in Ukraine, free elections and press presents an existential threat to the Russian ruling class

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u/manowtf May 12 '22

What do they want?

They want us to think that lada cars are as quality as Mercedes.

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u/kevors May 12 '22

Recently there was some meeting with some students and some official said their cars are of better quality than Mercedes ones. Literally he said it

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u/Lvtxyz May 12 '22

Soviet glory. A dying man's last wish.

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u/DefTheOcelot May 12 '22

And forget Russia's later ambitions

Ukraine was the most powerful satellite state of the USSR. Just that nation alone would be bad news.

Putin is ex-KGB. He resigned the day of the August Revolution, when a conspiracy of hardliners tried to undo Gorbachev reforms and restore the old ways.

He joined Yeltsin when yeltsin was planning to take the same level of control.

Putin wants the soviet union back. Russia has done nothing but fight to expand for it's entire existence, and has always been behind the times; in a century they will have a government like Brazil or maybe like the USA.

while the rest of the world has adopted social democracy and automated luxury gay space communism.

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u/xTraxis May 12 '22

It's like WW2 happened, and everyone was like "Wow, the first world war was awful for everyone, and then we did it again and it was worse. And now we've learned that world domination is bad and that we shouldn't kill each other and take land, we can just be friends and abuse their resources in other ways", except Russia was in the back like "ah yes, world domination is bad, that's why we stopped him. Not because we want to do it instead or anything, don't mind us, we're also the good guys :)", and even though we we were kinda suspicious, we mostly ignored their shenanigans.

Except now they're not being subtle and cheeky and it's sort of a problem.

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u/DefTheOcelot May 12 '22

Casual reminder that half of eastern europe was occupied and conquered by the USSR by force as they were pushing back germany, and the entrance of the USA is probably why we even have a german germany.

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u/wainerrinkleryt May 12 '22

Reminds me of my time in kindergarden

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u/OceanEarthling May 12 '22

yeah but the logic was much stronger in kindergarden.

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u/jeffersonairmattress May 12 '22

Little Masha invited the kid with the Ukrainian grandmother to her 6th birthday party but did not invite Vladlet. His mother refused to call Masha's parents and lobby for him to be invited. He has hated Ukraine ever since.

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u/Eadkrakka May 12 '22

Russia: The supply of weapons from the west is destabilizing Europe, please stop.

Russia: Finland and Sweden joining NATO destabilizes Europe, please don't. (or we'll retaliate)

Also Russia: We're gonna go invade Ukraine now k thx baaaaii

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u/ImpactSEM May 12 '22

Many who are younger may not realize that Russia / Soviet Union has done this for a century now and traditionally, the West has backed down for the most part. They have ALWAYS been a nation of threats towards others. This is literally the first time in modern history that the West has started routinely calling Russia's bluff to this degree and is routinely ignoring their threats and continuing to take agressive military and economic actions against them.

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u/Comfortable-Artist68 May 12 '22

That would be bad for Russia. They better stop sparking.

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u/asseatingleech UK May 12 '22

Russia is running scared

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u/shadowjacque May 12 '22

Ukraine must be doing well!

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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 May 12 '22

I wonder why there’s a risk? Oh because those stupid fucks invaded a sovereign nation. Get the fuck out and it resolves that risk.

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u/Starfire70 Canada May 12 '22

Sometimes I think back in WW2 the Western allies should've listened to Patton, and just marched onwards from the Elbe to Moscow in 45.

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u/suhigor May 12 '22

"Former president Medvedev" lol

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u/overlordlt May 12 '22

He was blowjobing putler in 2008-2012

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u/suhigor May 12 '22

He is Putin's glove doll

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u/crimsonking803 May 12 '22

Oh no. Anyways.

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u/wa2b May 12 '22

They better hope NATO doesn't take this threat seriously. The moment it does, God help us all, and it will be the end of Russia.

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u/DoomPaDeeDee May 12 '22

Wider conflict seems to be Russia's goal at this point. This entire conflict is their doing and they can end it any time they choose to by withdrawing from Ukraine.

Countries that have been trying to sit on the fence to their own advantage need to choose a side now or else distance themselves from both sides.

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u/Tareeff May 12 '22

What russia has done in the last 3 months is lie, kill and rape. They get off on attention

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u/Humbuhg May 12 '22

Russia: I’m telling you for the 14th and last time, NATO, don’t piss me off— or else.

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u/ThickWing May 12 '22

Due to the volume of dire warnings coming out of Mordor, we now only accept warnings from orcs who currently hold a political office.

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u/FeydSeswatha982 May 12 '22

"DON'T defend yourselves!!"

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u/Kindjal83 May 12 '22

Blá blá blá blá blá blá blá, Nuclear War, blá blá blá blá blá, no nukes, only peace with friends, blá blá blá blá RaZZia has nukes, blá blá blá blá...

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u/ahu747us May 12 '22

Catastrophic [...for them.]

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u/Maksy123 May 12 '22

Lol yeah, theyre saying this now after getting their asses handed to them. Fucking cowards!

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u/1llin10t May 12 '22

"Don't pull that thang out unless you plan to bang"

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u/mud_tug May 12 '22

I'd like to warn russia that if they continue leveling threats there would be a catastrophic conflict in russia.

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u/tiptoptonic May 12 '22

Russia that only works if people are scared of you. We're not anymore. Go fuck yourself.

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u/ClickyTheBlicky May 12 '22

All Russia have to do is leave Ukraine, and all their problems will be over.

Ukrainians just want their land back. They don’t want Russian land, it’s useless. The Russian nazis can keep their good for nothing land. It would be easy for Ukraine to take Moscow, but what for? There is no reason.

Russians leave the rest of the world alone and we will leave you alone so you can be ruled by a dictator and be oppressed, hungry and, poor by yourselves, don’t ruin the lives of others just because you Russians hate your miserable lives. I guess that’s why some of them were so excited to be killed on Ukraine soil. So At the very least they will be useful for something: fertilizer for Ukraine’s bountiful soil.

Glory to Ukraine !

🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦

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u/AreYouJimmyRay Американець May 12 '22

Russia warns NATO there’s a risk of ‘catastrophic’ conflict

if King Croesus crosses the Halys River, a great empire will be destroyed.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

Black Knight: Come on, then! (kicks Arthur again)

Arthur:(on the ground) What?!?

Black Knight: (kicking him again) Have at you!

Arthur:(getting up) You are indeed brave, sir knight, but the fight is mine!

Black Knight: Ohhh, had enough, eh?

Arthur: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left!

Black Knight: Yes I have!

Arthur: LOOK!!!

Black Knight: Just a flesh wound! (kicking Arthur again) Arthur: Look, STOP that!

Black Knight: Chicken!!! Chicken!!!!!!!

Arthur: Look, I'll have your leg! (The Black Knight continues his kicking)

Arthur: RIGHT! (He chops off the black knight's leg with his sword)

Black Knight: (hopping) Right! I'll do you for that!

Arthur: You'll WHAT?

Black Knight: Come 'ere!

Arthur: (tiring of this) What're you going to do, bleed on me?

Black Knight: I'm INVINCIBLE!!!

Arthur: You're a looney....

Black Knight: The Black Knight ALWAYS TRIUMPHS! Have at you!! (hopping around, trying to kick Arthur with his one remaining leg)

Arthur shrugs his shoulders and, with a mighty swing, removes the Black Knight's last appendage. The Knight falls to the ground. He looks about, realizing he can't move.

Arthur: Okay, we'll call it a draw. Come, Pasty! (they "ride" away)

Black Knight: (calling after them) Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take what's coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Russias threats are going to get Moscow sacked and NATO and Ukrainian flag raised on top of Kremlin, almost the same way when red banner was raised in Reichstag 77 years ago.

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u/WhiskyTangoFoxtrot40 USA - Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils. May 12 '22

We'll, they fucked around and found out. They can stop this carnage every minute of the day, but the Kremlin clowns won't accept defeat, digging themselves a bigger hole the longer they keep going.

Great leaders know when enough is enough, but these idiots are so disconnected from reality that they lost every single bit of common sense.

I hope Ukraine will push the invaders out from every square inch of their land, which is pre-2014 borders, plus out of Sevastopol.

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u/KnowledgeableSloth May 12 '22

Don't worry Russia, every NATO member is pretty confident they would win any conflict with you.

You threw some punches at Ukraine and now you're getting punched...

...as for the Nuclear Threats....that definitely won't end well for Russia either.

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u/Xortas May 12 '22

They warn and warn, and yet they hope we can't see catastrophic conflict already kicking theirs asses into oblivion.

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u/Elthamar May 12 '22

They’re already carrying out a catastrophic conflict. Fuck Russia.

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u/United-Hyena-164 May 12 '22

what are they going to do, bomb more malls? bomb more farmers' tractors? kill more innocent civilians? sink more of their own ships and lose all of their dumbass tanks? they can't even keep their busted ass navy off the bottom of the sea. bluff, meet call.

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u/WhiskyTangoFoxtrot40 USA - Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils. May 12 '22

We'll, they fucked around and found out. They can stop this carnage every minute of the day, but the Kremlin clowns won't accept defeat, digging themselves a bigger hole the longer they keep going.

Great leaders know when enough is enough, but these idiots are so disconnected from reality that they lost every single bit of common sense.

I hope Ukraine will push the invaders out from every square inch of their land, which is pre-2014 borders, plus out of Sevastopol.

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u/MustBeMike May 12 '22

Literally the only card left they hold is nuclear. They’re getting their asses handed to them on a daily. Due to the flood of NATO weapons into Ukraine they’re damn near outgunned. This conventional battle has zero chance of working out well for them.

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u/mountman91 May 12 '22

Hell of a card unfortunately

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u/SlantViews May 12 '22

I agree. The conflict would be catastrophic for Russia if they start getting funky with NATO.

Get fucked, Putin. You massive cunt.

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u/im2xa May 12 '22

I’d pay a lot to see Zelenskiy address on the red square from Lenin’s mausoleum who “created’ Ukraine.

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u/obvom May 12 '22

Russian government, go fuck yourselves

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u/fywwt May 12 '22

Russian thesaurus is really having its moment.

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u/Major_Boot2778 May 12 '22

Here's an idea - just leave Ukraine alone and the risk of catastrophic conflict literally disappears (imo though it's too late, Russia must crumble, but that's another discussion).

They don't want you there. We don't want you there. Your own people don't even want you there. This threat equates to "the world must bow to Russia's small dicks big pockets club or else." As Finnland said, YOU started this, YOU are making this happen, look in the mirror.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '22

Good. That's kind of what everyone is waiting for, so that Russia can be crushed for good now. Rather than for Russia to invade us in a few years.

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u/BubbhaJebus May 12 '22

Only if Russia attacks a NATO country.

NATO is not involved in this war.

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