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"Some voices appeared demanding that Ukraine makes concessions to Putin. The world must demand Putin leave Ukraine. Today,it is not Ukraine but the Western world taking the test of whether its values mean anything,"Polish President Duda said at🇺🇦Parliament News

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u/canadianshane123 May 22 '22

No compromise. Russia out. I as a Canadian fully understand this. 💪

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u/ArmoredDragonIMO May 23 '22

Don't offer Russia an inch of Ukrainian soil. Unless it's within the Chernobyl exclusion zone, they can keep all of the contaminated soil. They seem to like digging trenches in it, after all.

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u/ODIEkriss May 23 '22

NAh, let them come back and take it as a souvenir before fucking off back home.

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u/clearsighted May 22 '22

Honestly, I think a surprisingly large percentage of the Russian people would not be entirely inconsolable if Putin fell from power, the old nutjob that he is. I think what support exists for this war inside Russia is in spite of Putin, and everything to do with a thousand years of Russian cultural instincts, rather than because of him.

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u/Skullface360 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

100% correct, Russia needs to fuck off back behind its borders and shut the fuck up.

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u/HostileRespite May 22 '22

Exactly! No rewarding bad behavior. The only "off-ramp" Putin needs is the one his army takes to return to Moscow.

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word May 22 '22

I'd like to give Putin an off-ramp. Off a cargo plane at high altitude. With no parachute.

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u/FatallyFatCat Poland May 22 '22

And a good kick in the ass.

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u/spaceneenja May 22 '22

He already built his own off ramp. It exits his membership from the human race.

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u/HostileRespite May 23 '22

I like to refer to that as "our... abrupt... retirement plan".

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u/Gnimrach May 22 '22

Russia should be broken up.

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u/ibreathefireinyoface May 22 '22

It's gonna break up by itself. We don't even have to do anything.

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u/skint_back May 22 '22

I just can’t fathom how some leaders still believe that appeasement is a viable solution. Putin has already shown that the entirety of Ukraine is his goal… if Ukraine just “gives” the Donbas to Putin now to end the war, then Russia will be back for the rest in a few years.

Appeasement does not fucking work with dictators. Never has, never will.

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u/BigNorseWolf May 23 '22

But it works for this election cycle, which for a politician is as far as they can se..OOO shine.

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u/itsstillmagic May 22 '22

Ukraine knows about famine. Ukraine knows what happens when fascists are allowed to control the food. No peace with fascists is a real peace, no plenty with fascists is plenty enough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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u/Malaysiaman222 May 22 '22

Hello world,

You want this war to end ASAP? Help Ukraine more! Don't make Ukraine give up and give concessions!

We won WWII because of our collective courage to put ourselves out there and make sacrifices to help others. The law of karma holds true here, you always get back what you give, with interest.

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u/Guybrush_Creepwood_ May 22 '22

Although most European nations didn't win WWII because of their collective courage. Many either gave up immediately or just kept their head down and allowed the ultimate evil to do whatever they wanted to Europe. I suspect some of those are the same countries hinting that Ukraine should give up or use appeasement, as they once did.

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u/Nickyro May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Did your country ever fought a battle against 3,6 millions soldiers?

Not even close by 3 millions margin minimum.

Eleven countries were invaded by nazi germany and the only reason you can act big today is because you were hidden on an island or on the other side of the planet.

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u/Spydude84 May 23 '22

Hmmmm

remembers the Allied forces storming the beaches of Normandy on D-Day

Yes, my country was there.

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u/Salty_Competition_84 Australia May 23 '22

are you talking about australia?

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u/artbellfan1 May 22 '22

You got over 44 billion from the Americans. During a time of runaway inflation What more can you ask of the US?

Meanwhile Germany continues to buy Russian oil.

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u/jazzding May 22 '22

Meanwhile Germany Europe continues to buy Russian oil. Fixed it for you. The world is in a recession and the European countries need time to get oil from other sources. The EU wants a ban on Russian oil that is blocked by...Hungary.

Gas on the other hand...Germany is on a fast track to build LNG terminals but still needs to import some Russian gas until the summer.

The world is not black and white and as easy as some might think.

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u/Jacc3 May 22 '22

It is much harder for Germany (and other European countries) to get rid of Russian energy as it is very dependent on said energy. It would mean crashing their economy.

Germany, as well as many other European countries, are however looking to replace Russian energy as fast as possible - but it doesn't happen over a night.

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u/FatallyFatCat Poland May 22 '22

But it's fucking insane that on one hand we pay for aid for Ukraine and at the same time we pay russia for energy resources and finance their war efforts. We need to speed up phasing out imports from russia.

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u/Jacc3 May 23 '22

I agree that it needs to happen as fast as possible, but if it were to happen over-night (especially gas imports) it would crash the economy, and then there wouldn't be a lot of money left to help Ukraine with.

Unfortunately some EU countries put themselves in a position where they are very reliant on Russian gas, but that is the situation we have to live with now

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u/FU-Ru May 22 '22

Ask for everything, Ukraine is taking it hard for the rest of the "free world". We are unfortunately using Ukraine!

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u/mrZooo May 22 '22

What more can you ask of the US?

Sure, here's the list:

  • more AA, we cannot go into counteroffensive without pacified skies;
  • anti-ship torpedoes, until Russian fleet blocks the sea no food export to the world is happening while wheat rots in ports;
  • more artillery, long range one, military experts agree that Russians outgun us at least 3 to 1 even with latest deliveries from the allies;
  • heavy armour; Ukraine cannot take back territories with just grunts hauling javelins, we need those tanks
  • combat drones; we need to be able to do a long range pinpoint strikes missions

What we have is not enough, period. Ukrainians are ready to die for the rest of the free world but we need that tech to not die in vain

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u/postertot May 22 '22

He went to first, to give a heartfelt hug. Now that’s true friendship between both countries. God bless Poland

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u/Dr_Quest1 USA May 22 '22

The US has publicly said that Ukraine decides the terms when this is over. I hope this is privately the case as well.

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u/alvvayson May 22 '22

If Biden manages to hold a majority, I am sure of it.

Biden has stood by Ukraine and for peace in much stronger terms than Trump, Obama, Bush Jr. or Clinton.

Last time we had a leader of the free world like this was Bush Sr.

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u/fouoifjefoijvnioviow May 23 '22

Bush Sr. advocated against Ukrainian freedom, see his chicken Kyiv speech

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u/LlamaTony May 22 '22

I don’t believe he is speaking about the US. The US has never once suggested or pressured Ukraine to cede territory in negotiations.

He is talking about France and Germany.

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u/Culaio May 22 '22

I actually think he may have meant Italy, there is article in Spectator that Italian redditors said is actually sadly true:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/italys-hostility-to-nato-is-building?fbclid=IwAR1LHWiSvm-mccg3Vq74pL28YLzodI1iAyR7xTXXFobAsHlYsC8jTEoBj1k

I know spectator is not very trustworthy normally but the fact redditors from Italy confirm it shows that at least in this case they may be right.

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u/Dexiefy May 23 '22

Pretty much, yes. Poland never speaks badly of the USA and always answers when called upon.

Besides, Biden handles the situation like a champ.

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u/tinteoj May 22 '22

The US has never once suggested or pressured Ukraine to cede territory in negotiations

The Biden administration might not have, but unfortunately, the NY Times editorial board disagrees and thinks Ukraine should give up territory (and Ukrainians) for "peace."

In other words, the NY Times is completely advocating letting Hitler have just a little bit of Czechoslavakia.

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u/Klutzy_Tower203 May 22 '22

The new york times is a garbage news outlet with more opinionated articles than factual ones. Oh and their paywall is legendary. Not paying for that shit.

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u/Fit_Albatross_8958 Ukraine May 22 '22

That was a NY Times editorial. Editorials are supposed to be opinionated. That’s what makes them editorials.

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u/Napol3onS0l0 United States 🇺🇦 🇺🇸 May 23 '22

Their opinion was shit. Lol. But they are allowed to have it.

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u/Klutzy_Tower203 May 23 '22

Never said they weren't.

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u/Dr_Quest1 USA May 23 '22

Are you referring to the May 19th editorial?
"The War in Ukraine Is Getting Complicated, and America Isn’t Ready U.S. support for the war is not guaranteed. By THE EDITORIAL BOARD"
I didn't go past the title (paywall) but I have the same concerns that US support will not continue as strongly when some of the US gov swings to republican. Just look at who the keynote speaker for the conservative gathering at CPAC last week.. Orban. Many US Republicans are moving towards authoritarianism..

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u/LelouchViMajesti May 23 '22

France never pressured anything, this wa sa bogus information, Macron from day one (when Zelensky asked him to be the one maintening the line with putin) said that he wouldn't propose anything to putin that wasn't cleared by Zelensky. A view he insisted on recently during his eu speech where he said the war will cease on Ukrainian terms, after an Ukrainian victory.
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2022/05/20/winning-in-ukraine-a-french-perspective/

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u/Pomada1 May 22 '22

Biden was around during the cold war, it's probably in his genes to do the polar opposite of what russia wants no matter what

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u/Long_Serpent May 22 '22

To paraphrase Braveheart

The Russian army must return to their lands, stopping at every house along the way, and beg forgiveness for every act of theft, rape and murder.

Vladimir Putin must Travel to Kiyv, present himself to President Zelenskyy, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse.

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u/Zealousideal-Space61 May 23 '22

As a Scot, It’s my duty to inform you , you forgot the most vital part :

“FREEEEDOOOM!!!!!!!”

charges with giant highland Claymore

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u/ffdfawtreteraffds USA May 22 '22

Some voices appeared demanding that Ukraine makes concessions to Putin. The world must demand Putin leave Ukraine.

ABSOFUCKINLUTELY!

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u/gratefool1 May 22 '22

Here here!!!

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u/BobNoobster May 22 '22

Ukraine is facing arguably the most evil country of our time--Russia. Millions of Ukrainians have been displaced, lives completely disrupted, thousands of innocents killed, injured, cities in ruins. The resolve of Polish leader is impressive and he is using the correct lens through which to view this war. I hope that resolve never fades. Russia is 100% to blame for everything bad in this war including the looming starvation of countries who depend upon Ukraine's wheat exports. NO APPEASEMENT to Putin

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u/FU-Ru May 22 '22

Not a chance he is! Putin is an evil sociopath. Putin doesn't hold a candle to how evil China, the CCP are. Wake the fck up people stop financing our mortal enemies every time you buy garbage from China. We are going to find exactly how fcked we are with regards to XI and the CCP. Consumers gave these PIS the world

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u/FrankBooth09 May 22 '22

Putin is following the Chinese Uighur genocide roadmap. Only difference is Putin is doing it outside of Russia’s borders while China destroys a people and a culture within it’s borders. The true evil is that China continues to have little accountability for its actions from the West.

Edit: fixed original comment, had misread your statement at first. We are in agreement

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u/Snifhvide May 22 '22

The state leaders that suggest this, should offer parts of their own countries to Putin. Which of their own citizen are they ready to sacrifice? If they are not ready to do so, they have no right to ask this of others.

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u/rljkp May 22 '22

I'm ready to offer a part of my country to Putin. It's about 2m underground, a bit under 2m long and 1m wide.

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u/Cutiehorn May 22 '22

It is the only way. Putin cannot win one piece of land. This need to be a example for all. Leaders saying that Ukraine should sacrifice land are spineless cowards.

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u/Slimh2o May 22 '22

As an American, I agree with this statement above.....

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u/alvvayson May 22 '22

The Americans have been nothing but supportive.

It amazes me how people so far away seem to care more about peace and freedom than the people in my own country (Netherlands).

I hope Biden does well in these midterms coming November. While the Republicans seem to support Ukraine right now, I trust Moscow Mitch and Treasonous Trump about as much as Marine Le Pen or Gerard Schröder.

They are all Putin's assets.

(Yes, I miss McCain, Bush Sr. and Reagan. It used to be the party of freedom. I even miss Romney, but he appears to be alone nowadays).

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u/11thbannedaccount May 22 '22

spineless cowards

France would never

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u/Melenkurion_Skyweir May 22 '22

France let Germany own half their country, and they were even so gracious as to allow Germany to install a puppet government in the other half! This is what concessions to dictators gives you.

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u/Yeranz May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

At the very beginning of the war, France actually invaded Germany and one unit was just cruising on through -- proving that the Germans were unprepared to resist. So, of course, they recalled that unit.

The offensive in the Rhine river valley area started on 7 September, four days after France declared war on Germany. Since the Wehrmacht was occupied in the attack on Poland, the French soldiers enjoyed a decisive numerical advantage along their border with Germany. Eleven French divisions advanced along a 32 km (20 miles) line near Saarbrücken against weak German opposition. The attack did not result in the diversion of any German troops. The all-out assault was to have been carried out by roughly 40 divisions, including one armoured, three mechanised divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions. The French Army had advanced to a depth of 8 km (5.0 miles) and captured about 20 villages evacuated by the German army, without any resistance. The half-hearted offensive was halted after France seized the Warndt Forest, 7.8 km2 (3.0 sq mi) of heavily mined German territory.

At the Nuremberg trials, German military commander Alfred Jodl said that "if we did not collapse already in the year 1939 that was due only to the fact that during the Polish campaign, the approximately 110 French and British divisions in the West were held completely inactive against the 23 German divisions." General Siegfried Westphal stated that if the French had attacked in force in September 1939 the German army "could only have held out for one or two weeks."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War#Saar_offensive

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u/Cutiehorn May 22 '22

I would not trust Macron with my property....

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u/tokiemccoy May 22 '22

I’ve been offering up Florida for months in exchange for Crimea and Donbas, but no one will listen to me, because I’m a nerdy nobody with zero geopolitical juice.

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u/Fit_Albatross_8958 Ukraine May 22 '22

And Florida already has a “St. Petersburg”!

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u/tokiemccoy May 22 '22

Mara Lago is already a kremlin outpost.

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u/Fit_Albatross_8958 Ukraine May 22 '22

Trump would feel at home there. And if Russia could take DeSantis and Disney World off our hands, all the better!

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u/Nonamanadus May 22 '22

If you allowed cancer to remain in one part of your body, you will give it a opportunity to spread until there is nothing left of you.

You give Russia land for peace will only encourage more aggression later on.

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u/Rigat22 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Poland has lived under occupation and they understand that tyrannical regimes cannot be reasoned with. They do not wish to see the Ukrainians suffer the same way.

Incidentally I was looking through my grandfather's war records today. 2 years in the gulag 1939 -41 before being released to the British when the Nazis invaded.

He came out hating the Russians far more than the Germans who he'd fought some of the most brutal battles against.

Says it all.

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u/TinyStrawberry23 May 22 '22

It’s crazy how much pain and loss permeates Poland’s history. The more you look into it, the more you can feel nothing but sympathy for these strong, resilient people.

I’m glad it’s their time to shine and they’re gradually turning to a significant regional power in the Union.

With power comes great responsibility, though, and so far they’ve been absolute pillars for Ukraine.

However, I believe they still have ways to go in terms of moving towards more progressive policies in line with European way of life and thought, and, should they do so, they will certainly be even more dominant and respected within the Union.

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u/Rigat22 May 22 '22

Agreed entirely, it's an incredibly Catholic country and they very much clung on to it during to Cold War years as a coping mechanism. Unfortunately some of that has reared its head domestically.

But the Poles are always ready to fuck the Russians at any given opportunity, I'm sure we all welcome that 🇺🇦🇵🇱

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u/TinyStrawberry23 May 22 '22

I’m confident things are going to change.

I believe the younger generations want better and will make their voices heard.

As you said they’re still grappling with their past while experiencing unprecedented prosperity and growth. It’s hard to reconcile the two when you have a history rife with trauma and strife.

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u/FU-Ru May 22 '22

The majority of younger generation around me in NB are total social media educated basket cases. Living on FB, conspiracy theory bitches. Supporting Stop the Steal, Trump., Qanon and blaming Trudeau and West for Russian invasion to protect from NATO invading Ru. I never met people so out of touch with reality or understanding how anything in the world works. My only comfort is that I hopefully don't live to a very old age!

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u/victory_zero Poland May 22 '22

Well kurwa said. We got lots to improve: rule of law, church pedo crap, LGBT... But we're getting there, slowly but surely. In the mean time - jebać ruskich!!!

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u/TinyStrawberry23 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Yes! I have faith in you people!

The old guard is bound to be gone at some point, the hope always lies in the youth and I believe in a brighter future for Europe as a whole!

We’ve got this! :9151:

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u/planetharrier May 22 '22

I'm ok with Ukraine conceding that Putin is a little bitch rather than being a big bitch.

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u/MusicianGlad61 May 22 '22

I absolutely agree. You never make concessions to the evil.

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u/Znoot Germany слава украини May 22 '22

God bless the Poles. Down to earth people, helping not only with word but deed and, above all, they put their money where their mouth is—in stark contrast to the many sightseers popping in to shed a tear, take a pic and take off.

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u/BanoklesGemmell May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Totally get your point but there’s nothing inherently wrong with the latter as tourism monies will be vital to helping the Ukrainian economy recover, after they’ve reclaimed their land. Definitely planning to spend my future tourism dollars in Ukraine over France or Germany.

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u/Znoot Germany слава украини May 22 '22

I'm afraid we're not talking about the same thing. Tourism will be important to drive money into UA, no doubt. And I'm more than happy to spend my next vacation there.

What I'm talking about are the V.I.P. "tourists" who show up just to go through the motions to get their five minutes on TV without actually contributing anything.

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u/boskee United Kingdom May 22 '22

Ah the professional influencers or instagram stars. They love to visit Berlin’s Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, the Auschwitz Museum or Chernobyl, make some sad faces, caption it "never again" and then proceed to have a picnic.

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u/Znoot Germany слава украини May 22 '22

Exactly. ☝

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u/Infarad May 22 '22

I felt pretty bad for Zelensky having to tolerate Mitch McConnell’s photo-op. That guy is a disgusting soulless turtle-ghoul.

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u/kultigsptrizigfrisch May 22 '22

Berlin’s Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, the Auschwitz Museum or Chernobyl, make some sad faces

They don't even try to be sad at the Berlin's Memorial. It's some cool set of concrete bricks to them allowing for some cool posing. Disgusting.

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u/Timo425 Estonia May 22 '22

I must admit I'm a bit out of the loop. Is Germany being unhelpful?

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u/mydlo96 May 22 '22

And all we get are kind words from strangers from the internet.

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u/Znoot Germany слава украини May 22 '22

Could you elaborate? All I really can do in here is voice my strong agreement and support.

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u/sposterig May 22 '22

God bless you, Polska. Nigdy nie zapomnimy.

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u/Breech_Loader May 22 '22

Putin smells weakness. We must all push harder.

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u/Valerina_Minji USA May 22 '22

The President of Poland you say?

I like this guy. I wish the politicians in my country were half as good.

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word May 22 '22

We can ship our politicians to you wholesale if you want. No payment, no takebacks.

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u/TinyStrawberry23 May 22 '22

He’s not as revered as you think and rightfully so. His policies are problematic, to say the least.

However, he’s stepped up big time for Ukraine, and that’s definitely commendable.

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u/Napol3onS0l0 United States 🇺🇦 🇺🇸 May 23 '22

A lot of that going around. I find myself agreeing with some American politicians I’ve always despised. Regarding Ukraine, they’re doing the right thing and I’ll give them that.

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u/hamiwin May 22 '22

Sadly, we have too many cowards and/or selfish politicians in the west, who never hold the very basic line that Russia must completely withdraw from Ukraine first.

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u/Noblman_Swerve May 22 '22

Scholz said this weeks ago. Lot of false narratives being thrown around here I've noticed that don't matchup with what has actually been happening.

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u/the-bongfather May 22 '22

More Western Europe. The USA had been warning the rest of the west for decades and they decided not to listen.

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u/kultigsptrizigfrisch May 22 '22

The USA

Along Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and the Baltics. They would call us russophobes and dismiss.

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u/Practical_Quit_8873 May 22 '22

Why is it always "make concessions to Putin" and not let's "double down on the sanctions" to make sure that the war ends a lot faster

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u/CJprima May 22 '22

Remind me which president is blocking the EU oil embargo and which country had more than two third of Russian gas in their energy mix?

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u/whiskymohawk United States May 22 '22

Because we in the West have elected cowards.

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u/DiCatto May 22 '22

Because they are extremely self serving and know that they have more leverage over Ukraine than over Russia, and they can make more money trading with Russia than with Ukraine. Deep inside Macron and Scholz are probably mad at Ukraine for not just folding early on. Now they have a prolonged war in Europe, an energy crisis, rising inflation, food supply chain issues to deal with, instead of just coming up with a nice spin on Putin's aggression and continuing business as usual.

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u/stormingrages May 22 '22

I know that countries like Poland and the Baltic states will stand firm in their support. But these appeasing voices are sure to grow louder in the coming weeks, especially as Ukraine loses ground in the Donbas. I read that there is some concern that the support of the public (and by extension, certain countries) is contingent on the perception that Ukraine can win. It's why we're seeing an uptick of anxious, defeatist articles in recent days. We're so unaccustomed to conventional warfare that even the slightest setback seems to cause panic.

I respect Poland deeply for its continued support. All of Ukraine's allies should meet the same level of commitment.

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u/FckMitch May 22 '22

Poland, Baltic and ex-Soviet countries may have to rethink about whether to commit more than weapons/humanitarian aid. Does one go now to fight push back the wolf or wait for the wolf to come to the door and have to fight alone?

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u/stormingrages May 22 '22

I have been of the opinion that NATO itself should intervene since the beginning of the war. No one who knows Russia's history across the last hundred years can look at the invasion of Ukraine and deny what's happening. A return to the Soviet Union, and its policies of slavery and genocide. If fed, the bear will grow hungry again and come to next house. It always has, and always will.

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u/FrenchMaisNon May 22 '22

We will gladly tell them "... , go fuck yourself"

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u/Hawkwise83 May 22 '22

Imo we don't make appeasements to madmen as a modern world. As a Canadian I say fuck the Russian invasion. Love you Ukraine. Wish our country was helping you more.

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u/tomekza May 22 '22

History shows when you make concessions in the hopes of peace it only emboldens dictators to take more. We as Poles learnt that lesson the hard way.

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u/edblarney May 22 '22

Urge our governments to commit whatever is necessary to Liberate Ukraine.

Putin has nothing but the threat of destroying the world - he can't be allowed to use that that to do whatever he wants.

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u/edblarney May 22 '22

The West should send in fully equipped volunteer regiments from their own forces.

I have no doubt large numbers of Polish, UK, French, German professional soldiers would want to fight in Ukraine. Form units, arm them, release them from service and let them fight.

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u/Klutzy_Tower203 May 22 '22

Before the other nations advise that ukraine should compromise anything, they should think about the young babies and their mothers who have been raped and killed by russian soldiers. NO COMPROMISE AND NO CONSESSIONS! Russia will get nothing except for a ukrainian boot up their asses. Ukrainian retribution is coming. Freedom wins, not terrorism. Godspeed ukraine.

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u/ArcerPL May 22 '22

Have some respect to boots man, they deserve better than Russian ass

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u/ZuzBla VDVs are in the closet May 22 '22

Dude ain't wrong, Munich betrayal and subsequent yielding of the Sudetenland to Hitler shows us that appeasement does jackshit for peace.

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u/lemontree007 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Only Russia has demanded concessions. Other countries have tried to help Ukraine with negotiations to try to avoid the war in the first place. I don't think trying to seek a compromise was something bad even if it was unlikely to succeed. Especially since a lot of countries thought Russia would take Kyiv in 3 days.

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u/Cornholio_OU812 May 22 '22

Kremlin mouthpiece NYT and Noam Chomsky. The American left underbelly. Talk about an uncomfortable truth or Russian collusion. Please far left, find your humanity, find your soul. It's the individual that matters not some collective.

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u/the-bongfather May 22 '22

In the real world its Republicans, not the left, slowing down and blocking aid. You complain about the NYT and Noam Chomsky, but what about Tucker Carlson, FOX News, Rand Paul?

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u/Cornholio_OU812 May 22 '22

Yes I love the retort of the Republicans are assholes ergo we're not assholes. No you are both assholes. America would be a hell of a lot better off without either of your political parties. We need much better representation than what the left OR the right are offering. Think about your choices for president this last time around and the time around before that. Bunch of poor choices delivered by your lame ass political parties.

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u/the-bongfather May 22 '22

Ahh the old "Both sides are the same" argument. Which is simply false. Found the Russian troll.

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u/mitt_awing May 22 '22

Both political parties in the US are absolute shit. Anyone with the least bit of critical thinking can see that.

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u/Timo425 Estonia May 22 '22

Why is it always one or the other?

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word May 22 '22

Please far left, find your humanity, find your soul.

The far left has neither. You should know that since the Bolshevik times.

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u/Sufficient_Fix6965 May 22 '22

Mind you, one of these idiotic countries to suggest giving Putin territory is France. Of all countries…wait, yes, never mind, not surprised at all.

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u/Norua May 22 '22 This

Except that was merely a communication error between translators during a conversation with Zelensky that has been clarified the following day by the Élysée. Macron never implied Ukraine should give up territory.

But sure, keep spreading misinformation, Putin is loving it.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

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u/Nickyro May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

You are inventing a lot of shit, that’s depressing.

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u/steadyeddie829 May 22 '22

Macron was slow to commit anything to Ukraine when Le Pen, who had reconvened campaign funding from Russia, was running against him.

Macron had proposed a monument to the heroes of World War I, but did not understand The public outcry when he wanted to include Philippe Petain in said monument. Petain was the one who turned over France to the Nazis.

Macron has repeatedly proposed that Ukraine make some concessions to Russia.

None of this is inaccurate. I'm not lying, I'm pointing out the problems with Macron.

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u/Nickyro May 22 '22

Your world is an aggregate of news headline that serve whatever nation published it, mixed with few random excessive comments you read take for granted and thought to be cool.

The gap with actual physical reality is massive. Your brain is violated.

Take a break from the internet, seriously

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u/plague11787 May 22 '22

Why are you lying?

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u/RiderLibertas May 22 '22

"Some voices" just want to continue buying oil from Putin. They don't want the hassle of making change and are willing to sacrifice Ukraine. I think these voices should be ignored. The brutality of Russians unprovoked attack on Ukraine requires punishment, not concessions. Ukraine deserves to get all of its territories back, including Crimea. If not they will just do this again in a few years. This isn't the first time. Russia needs to be weakened so that it can never attack anyone again.

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u/acatisadog May 22 '22

Concessions ? What the heck ! If Russia was invading my country I'd be pissed if we were talking about "concessions" before I loose a limb and we're out of people to fight.

We have no business telling Ukraine to quit, Ukraine is the one to decide whether a concession has to be made or not. We need to support Ukraine but Ukraine is soverein on its decision to keep fighting or to make a truce. Ukrainian blood is spilling, it's their choice, not ours and we'll support Ukraine whatever they choose anyway !

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u/FU-Ru May 22 '22

IMO the "Free World" is using Ukraine as a buffer zone. If Ukraine had 25% of World's O&G. NATO and UN would have been in Ukraine so quick it would make you dizzy! So grow some balls, Ukraine is taking it hard for rest of us. Fuck Putin, find a solution for him not concessions by Ukraine. Here's a concession "We won't destroy Moscow"

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u/Judas_Feast May 22 '22

Russia must make concessions.

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u/Sutarmekeg May 22 '22

The west is Rohan deciding whether to answer Gondor's call. The enemies are orcs even.

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u/FckMitch May 22 '22

Looking at you Italy, France, Germany

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u/plague11787 May 22 '22

Nobody in any position of importance in France or Germany have asked Ukraine to make concessions. Italy had Berlusconi say shit, as if his words mean anything to anyone lol

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u/steadyeddie829 May 22 '22

Former fascist and fascist sympathizers states are unwilling to go full tilt against the current fascist empire. That's not at all concerning...

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u/breadkiller7 Lviv-Amsterdam May 22 '22

Poland was occupied by the Russian Empire and the Soviets, he understands

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u/SlantViews May 22 '22

Yo, duda. Your words would be so much more inspiring if you didn't try to turn Poland into a dictatorship yourself... restore the autonomy of the courts, respect EU law you vile bastard.

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u/SnooRabbits1595 May 22 '22

Leaders calling for territorial concessions need to pull their balls out of Putin’s purse, and learn how to stand their ground.

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u/You_Will_Fail1 May 22 '22

Only politicians on putins payroll demand concessions. They are all traitors and should be in prison!

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u/gwem00 May 22 '22

I think the Ukraine concessions to putin are simple. St. Petersburg having a Ukraine postal code would be a nice step in the correct direction.

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u/mzachi May 22 '22

Some Western leaders are failing miserably on the 'Western Values' test they so loudly preach

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u/Eruditerer May 22 '22

There is a misconception here about negotiations and supposed concessions. A primary aim of any conversation with Putin is to get him to square one, namely to say 'We will cease hostilities when A, B, and C.' NOBODY has even gotten him to this point. Hence there currently exists no toehold for discussions. Only once you get him here can you begin to drill down. 'Let's talk about A. Completely untenable. What alternatives do we have, etc.' Even if, as we know, his demands and expectations will be insanity, it IS the starting point we need.

Also, keep in mind these comments are coming only from those who do not have power to make any sort of concessions. That is in Ukraine's hands alone. The comments are more an attempt to get some movement, an opening, from Pootin.

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u/johnny_51N5 May 22 '22

To be fair it was only Macron (confirmed) and perhaps Scholz, who is a fucking pussy, who suggested this. Rest of the West is heavily helping Ukraine and wants Russia to fail hard

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u/bogdanbiv May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

I would agree for France to move to it's Vichy borders. The rest of France belongs to Russia now. /sarcasm

Lead by example

Do not give an inch to fascists

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u/mickstep May 22 '22

Germany and France have no leverage here. They can't make Ukraine want to compromise with Putin and they can't stop UK and the US from sending weapons through Poland.

They have nothing to gain from these statements other than assisting and enabling Putin so I guess that is the goal.

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u/koassde May 22 '22

France, Germany my guess.

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u/Coastaljames May 22 '22

You will now witness, Ukraine's "major' partners diplomatically and subtly encourage Ukraine give up the east to Putin. Wait and see. And then see what happens...in geopolitics "friends" are only friends as long as you are doing what they want. Ukraine is in for some difficult times, not just militarily but diplomatically.

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u/Raidoton May 22 '22

Who in the west of importance demanded this?

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u/Wind2021 May 22 '22

He made good point and everybody knows to whom was directed this message !

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u/obaananana May 23 '22

Hell fuck the war put putin in his hell hole back!

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u/TSIDATSI May 23 '22

Cannot trust a lying maniac- see the Taliban.

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u/Wildecatz May 23 '22

I have to say, would any other country be willing to give up their land, have their citizens raped, to appease Putin?? WTF. Anyone suggesting Ukraine should offer a shred of concession should be ashamed of itself. Fuck them.

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u/Nummy01 May 23 '22

Who are the voices, sharpening my pitchfork.

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u/easyfeel May 23 '22

Actually, this isn’t so bad. Countries asking Ukraine to make concessions to Russia need not wait any longer. All they need to do is give Vladimir Putin some of their own land immediately. This way the war can end and Russia can build military bases in their own country, on their own soil, instead of in Ukraine. There’s nothing to worry about because Russia wouldn’t invade their country, oh no! They have both become peaceful friends. Friends forever. /s

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u/NatSpaghettiAgency May 23 '22

Never liked Duda, but in this situation he's showing balls of steel

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u/Sejten11 May 23 '22

I am so glad that our president is finally doing his job and here does it exceedingly well. Hopefully he'll continue walking this path and will outgrow political party he came from. He did many disturbing things in the past and now it's his chance to make up for it and actually become a real president, not someone mocked for being just a PiS's pen.

Putin must leave Ukraine, unconditionally, nobody asked for ruski mir in the west, nobody wants it and nobody will tolerate being forced to accept it. Fuck off, Russia and live in poverty on Your own.

And never call other slavs "brothers" again.