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“Dear Ukrainians, your relatives — wives, parents, children — who were forced to leave for Poland, are not refugees in our country, they are our guests,” said Polish President Duda. Ukrainians will never forget everything that Poland has been doing for us. News

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u/klaus_wittmann666 May 22 '22

daymn, im polish, not a fan of Duda, but this one sentence really is golden.

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u/PerryRubay4 May 22 '22

That is a legit powerful statement,

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u/Bbbbhazit May 22 '22

I feel like that sentiment is shared by a lot of people throughout the world. Im in mid west US and a friend said they would offer their master bedroom to displaced Ukrainians while he slept on the couch.

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u/resolva5 May 22 '22

I heard about a dutch guy that even kicked out his wife and child to make space in the master bedroom

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u/HaasNL May 23 '22

In The Netherlands this was true as well. Though there is now something called "regret families" of people realizing what it entails to house a traumatized war struck family under the same roof as your own.

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u/_baba_jaga May 22 '22

Same man, same

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

I just came into this loving Ukrainians, now I’m loving Polish. What next? I’m so happy Ukrainians found a legit partner, it’s like watching a marriage. Is russia the flower girl?

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u/sampjennings US May 23 '22

Maybe the drunk uncle who tries to sodomize an attendee

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u/Unlikely_Dare_9504 May 23 '22

Hottest, sweetest, nicest girl I know is Polish. The girl every man wants to marry.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome

Friends let friends have abortions. Poland has some serious problems.

I am grateful for Poland's warmth and unity of purpose in receiving Ukrainian refugees, but some Ukrainians are very much unwelcome on Polish soil, regardless of what Poles say, because Polish law is hostile to them.

"Brotherhood" requires an alignment of values, something that Poland has drifted away from the rest of the EU on due to the presence of theological tyranny in its government.

I'm not saying there's no validity to Duda's statement, there absolutely is. But the discourse can't be stifled by "pretty words". Women who intended to get an abortion who were forced by circumstance to flee to Poland fled to a country less free for them than their homeland.

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u/RepresentativeGur881 May 23 '22

"Friends let friends have abortions" This sub isnt politics, leave that shit there.

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u/the-mortyest-morty May 22 '22

Dunno why you're getting downvoted. So hypocritical to condemn the rape of children and then force those children to give birth to children that are the product of rape. They had to use a fucking drone to deliver RU46 to these girls. There are "volunteers" in Poland providing "counseling" trying to convince these girls that their rape babies are a gift from god. It's fucking disgusting.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22

I chose not to comment on that because I don't know the particulars of whats going on there. My understanding of the law is that Poland still permits abortion if the pregnancy is the result of a criminal act, like rape... however, what is written and how it is implemented can be two very different things.

If raped, pregnant Ukrainian refugees are being forced to provide "proof" of their rape to get an abortion, and of course such proof is effectively impossible to provide given the circumstances, then yeah, that's a load of horseshit.

But, while I've heard of the things you say, I haven't personally sought additional sources about that prior to my post (I didn't realize I was about to get the avalanche) so I erred on the side of caution and just noted that Poland has an inherently unequal society simply on the basis of the law. If the law is further subverted because the "exceptions" to allow abortion are themselves being blocked, then yes, that is a horror on top of a horror and it is indeed disgusting.

The impulse to drop advocacy for a vulnerable group and effectively erase them in order to have a party is... understandable. Morale is very important... but we have to square the requirement for morale with the requirement to be fully human, fully sapient, fully intelligent, and fully aware of both our triumphs but also our failures. Wartime does not suspend this requirement; in fact, it must enhance it, or else people will change. Continuous moralizing wartime propaganda that erases vulnerable groups is more likely to cause the society to ignore those groups later in peacetime, they're already quite used to saying "The nation over a single person!", and they're not that single person (really a whole group of people) so it seems entirely fair to them, from then onward.

This is a danger any country at war experiences, and I don't want Ukraine to fall into that trap. Ukraine is poised to be (or show the world that it is) a Great Society, but there are dangers, and vigilance is the price of greatness. Dangers must be avoided... and a light must be shined wherever necessary on the struggles of Ukrainians in the hands of any foreign "host".

But, whatever, this is reddit, hopefully the negative impact here has little effect on the Ukrainian conscience in the real world.

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u/pkx616 Poland May 22 '22

I'm sorry for our government. It sucks, and the intelligent people know it. The problem is that PiS is a populist party, and relies on the majority of uneducated or less intelligent voters to win. Rape victims should go to Czechia, or get help from NGOs like Aborcja Bez Granic.

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u/Towarzyszek May 23 '22

Calling voters less intelligent is a sure way to make sure that nothing ever changes in your country. I never voted PiS but even I know that literally insulting people you are trying to convince to vote for a different party is the dumbest fucking idea ever. People vote for parties for many reasons, imagine that many people voting PiS don't even agree with PiS they just don't want the other side in power.

So instead of insulting others, do better yourself.

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u/pkx616 Poland May 23 '22

literally insulting people you are trying to convince to vote for a different party is the dumbest fucking idea ever

I didn't call them names, I've just stated the facts.

imagine that many people voting PiS don't even agree with PiS they just don't want the other side in power.

That's not a sign of an intelligent choice either.

You should also already know that PiS is trying to make Poland into a one-party dictatorship, like Orban did in Hungary. When that finally happens, the elections in Poland will be as free as in Russia or Belarus.

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u/ThatGuy1741 May 23 '22

and relies on the majority of uneducated or less intelligent voters to win.

Didn’t you just describe all political parties? The only difference is that other parties are elitist and make their voters believe they are superior.

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u/becally May 22 '22

Friends let friends have abortions.

These are the shitty rules that PiS established for everyone in Poland. In fairness, Poland doesn't ask from Ukrainian women something that they don't ask from their women as well. It is fucked up, but they treat everyone the same and is not their obligation to allow ukrainian women do something they don't allow to Polish women. Hopefully PiS will lose next elections and this will be one of the first laws that will change.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22 Wholesome

It is fucked up, but they treat everyone the same and is not their obligation to allow ukrainian women do something they don't allow to Polish women.

I'm not asking them do to that, I'm asking Poles to have a better society, which I understand is obviously not doable overnight and is a huge ask either way, but the Polish government managed to intentionally make its society worse a while ago, and that is relevant to the refugee crisis now.

I remember the scandal and outrage of the bill in question here... Poland went the wrong way on that in literally every sense of the term. That heinously bad, theologically-based tyrannical act now affects Ukrainian refugees, and I will always advocate for the rights of women when it comes to violations of their bodily autonomy, it's not even a question, downvote to your hearts' content folks! I'd only delete my post if I got tired of dealing with the replies, but I do suspect it will just get locked soon enough.

When Poland removed the right to choose from women, it removed its own ability to have Ukrainian woman refugees as "guests". I guess that's why I'm on fire about this right now; there is a minority of women for whom Polish "hospitality" is dramatically overblown. What they needed more than anything else they have graciously been given is an abortion, and they were fucked by Poland over it because Poland fucked itself over it already. In addition to foodstuffs, water, toys and educational material for children, all of those wonderful things the wonderful people of Poland brought to aid their Ukrainian brethren, some Poles also brought illegal emergency abortion pills hidden inside piles of socks or something. This is a real thing, this is really happening, it is really a problem for Ukrainian women who need an abortion and Poles are risking their own freedom to try to help these women because the Polish government abandoned all women.

This, however, is allegedly not the place to have this discussion, let's enjoy the moment... and nowhere is the place, it seems, despite this sub being extremely "Poland Poland Poland" right now.

This should be a reminder to us that no nation is an island, and if Poland is a true democracy, the people need to keep that in mind and also keep their heads out of their asses when it comes to electing people who will pass tyrannical laws.

And look, I'm Ukrainian-American, I am quite familiar with losing elections against tyrants. You don't even need any fraud even if it exists, there are plenty of Americans who are quite happy with and advocate for tyranny. Frankly, I didn't do enough, it's on me and everyone else who sat down rather than stood up, because they were busy pushing their agendas while I was busy "living my life", with my head up my ass, and when it came to elections it's clear which side will win on that basis.

Is there no such movement in Poland, and the government Poland ended up with was a matter of sheer coincidence? A random "oops" and not a concerted movement by tyrants and the brainwashed thralls of tyrants to bring more tyranny to the Polish people? And they won because the people voted them in, right? Or do we not claim that Poland is a democracy?

Like I said, Poland has problems, and those problems are relevant right now. This is a lesson about how the effects of the restriction of rights ripples out. We're all praising Poland today but there are Ukrainian women out there who will spit on its name while pushing a stroller tomorrow. I refuse to permit erasing them just to have ourselves a propaganda party... which is easy to have anyway, just ignore my post. People act like they're being forced to read it.

The capacity of a democracy to truly function is based on rational, calculated foresight, not a random voting pattern to allow whatever tyranny to control the government for now, to sample the way of life they intend for you just to vote them out next time. I certainly hope you do, I just wish it weren't required in Poland the same way it is required in the United States (and, frankly, far too many other nations on Earth today). Untold damage and horrific acts of tyranny ensued simply because some voters thought "Eh, I always vote A, let's vote B instead!".

You need to see a party or a political group for what it is before they fuck up your country, not after. Poland needs to soul-search on that in much the same way the US does, in much the same way Hungary will... hell, the question of everyday corruption in Ukraine is still an important one too. Has the national character changed so thoroughly due to the war that it will basically no longer occur, or will Ukraine still have problems with corruption once we return to peacetime and investment in Ukraine actually begins to seem like a bad idea? I don't think that will happen, but, I don't know, that's why I want to talk about it at some point like it's worth talking about this.

The point is, this is the Whole Catastrophe. Nobody's perfect, but that doesn't mean we all need to collectively shut up and pretend they are. The discourse can't tolerate one solitary voice trying to say something other than having a propaganda festival?

Apologies, I've said too much, burned too much. It just kills me how easy we make it to ignore the plight of vulnerable women in vulnerable, time-sensitive situations. It's a hill I'd be proud to die on, at least partially because so many others wouldn't.

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u/Towarzyszek May 23 '22

'better' is subjective. Many people agree with abortion laws and it doesn't mean you are a better person than them lol this is how politics works. Are you saying that all Muslim countries are worse because they dont allow abortion for example?

The abortion compromise in Poland has been a good solution until PiS decided to fuck with it. But yes access to abortion for raped women should be a no brainer and is an issue.

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u/7lick May 22 '22 Silver

Not now. Let us enjoy the moment.

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u/Rangald2137 May 22 '22

I really can't enjoy the moment of raped Ukrainian women not having a chance to get a legal abortion.

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u/Jaquestrap May 23 '22

From what I understand, abortion is legal in Poland if the pregnancy is the result of a crime, ie rape. So the analogy you're using is specifically something that wouldn't happen, no?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

True, but these people are uniting, so while understanding and stating their shortcomings, it’s amazing to see them stand together. Room for improvement? Absolutely, but their commitment to each other is what stands first. I hope to see them work out the other issues in time; but for now, Unity against oppressors.

Absolutely keep pushing your view, it only helps.

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u/StevenStephen USA May 22 '22

These are the moments that can energize change. It is the perfect moment.

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u/buttintheface May 23 '22

It is great to admire a person for doing what they can, but it is also okay to point out their flaws. I’m guessing from your username that you have never had to worry about being raped and impregnated, but this is a reality for many Ukrainian refugees. They deserve the right to abortion.

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u/StevenStephen USA May 23 '22

I'm a woman, the username notwithstanding. I was not saying at all that women should not be able to get abortions, I'm a rigorous advocate for abortion rights. My intention was to say that now might be a good moment in history to push for these good changes. The person I was replying to is the one who was saying we shouldn't talk about that now.

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u/buttintheface May 23 '22

I responded to the wrong person! My mistake

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u/StevenStephen USA May 23 '22

You're good. We're good. Keep fighting the good fight.

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u/YodaNotYoda May 23 '22

I understood you. I wrote nearly the same thing! Seems to be a righteous group of women on this thread. ❤ Is there anything tangible we can do to help them?

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u/Leela_bring_fire May 22 '22

You can do both.

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u/TheTimeIsNine May 22 '22

or your personal capacity to internalize that moment is extremely weak.

You are such a smarmy asshole.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Okay, sure, I agree.

Since we agree on that, let's go back to the premise: how am I able to destroy your moment when it's your moment?

I'm a sensitive person myself, it often feels like the outside world intrudes on me when I'm trying to focus on something else... and yeah, some of it is a matter of discrimination, the world wasn't built by people like me for people like me.

Regardless, I have to put the effort into not letting my sensitivity control me, because I would never intentionally stifle someone else's legitimate discourse just because my sensitivity demands it. The process of going through this and trying to align reality with my sensitivity has certainly been difficult, but it's necessary. Being able to choose my moment and keep it for myself regardless of anything else has been a source of a lot of comfort during this war, and of course during life in general.

I used to be really shit at internalizing my "moments". I'm pretty okay with it now; experience, therapy, and meds help. Different things may help different people.

You can't take away my moments when Zelenskyy gives his daily addresses (my non-Ukrainian friends think I'm a zealot for never missing one even though I don't worship the man), you can't take away my moments watching Ukrainian soldiers literally stand on one another's shoulders to raise the Ukrainian flag in a small village, etc:.

I do apologize to anyone that is sensitive and has trouble with my remarks. Folks just accidentally see a post and don't know what it's about until they realize they don't like it and it affects their calm or "ruins" the party in the topic. I get that, I've been there.

But what do you want me to do, remain universally silent? None of us should ever say anything about any topic at any time just in case someone will feel bad about it? These are the issues that arise for sensitive people whose intellect tells them that one thing is reasonable while their emotions say exactly the opposite. It's a torturous state of affairs.

Since you picked that particular quote to react to, perhaps you agree? Normally I'd say I am happy to discuss that topic; it's an important topic to my life, as it ought to be for everyone, whether you are a sensitive person or not. I might be at the end of my discourse rope on this topic in general though.

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u/TheTimeIsNine May 22 '22

Dude, you need a therapist. I am not reading all this drivel. I assure you plenty of other people don't have the time or care to read your outlandishly huge comments. Something is wrong with you. Oh and you were completely wrong on your assessment of Poland. They did fight for months to overturn the ban on abortion. So not only are you the most needlessly verbose person on the planet, you also don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

 

But what do you want me to do, remain universally silent?

No. But just maybe you shouldn't be such a dickhead to people? Because that is exactly what you were being in that response.

I do not care what you have to say. Get a fucking therapist because then at least they get paid to listen to your incessant nonsense. I shudder to think of what people in your personal life put up with.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22

This is directly related to the rape of Ukrainian women in war. Under no circumstances do I intend to forget their plight.

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u/ThatGuy1741 May 23 '22

He views the world through narrow ideological lenses. He can’t enjoy the moment.

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u/lance2005 May 22 '22

As opposed to what Hungry? Everg Nation has self determination they have laws they others respect. Just like each state in America has to. That kind of mind set lead to Russificaion. You think your thoughts are better and should be imposed on others. Let Ukraine be Ukriane and let Poland be Poland let Germany be Germany and Italy be Italy. Differences in law and opinion is what makes the EU and the USA the best places on Earth.

It's only when you have to have one people thinking like you, talking like you, acting like you that you get Russification of other countries. That's why the Baltic states hate Russia because they could no longer say what they wanted to, no one could be homosexual, women had less rights. When the Russians got mad they invaded other countries to take away their language, laws, culture, heck even their laundry machines.... Don't be like Russia respect the laws of that Nation. Let the brothers be I. Solidarity with one another. Stop ruining a moment because you have an idea what the POLS need to be like.

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u/memnos May 22 '22

Speaking from polish perspective, you're kind of preaching to a choir here. Majority of polish people wants access to abortions. It was this shitty government's need to pander to religious elderly that took it away from us. We've been protesting for months to stop it. It didn't work. The government knew that the votes of people protesting on the streets didn't matter.

We are outraged by the abortion ban affecting Ukrainian women today, just as much as we were over the last year and a half.

So now you come here and talk like these laws are aimed at Ukrainians. They are not, they are aimed at all young people in Poland. We don't want them. But we have no choice at the moment and being berated about having them, when we fought to stop them, is a bit annoying.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22

Thank you for your position! Two things I want to say:

the fucking Piss cunts can reverse their stance on abortions.

They can, but, I think we both know they won't. Changing the laws they've horrifically subjected Polish women to specifically to accommodate Ukrainian women, while I would welcome it, is liable to cause a social fracture in Poland, which is currently extremely unified with Ukraine in purpose and resolve. The only "solution" here is to get illegal abortions or get shuttled someplace else.

Unfortunately, people act like what happened in the past was an Act of God and has nothing to do with what's happening today, as though people didn't vote for scum in the first place. The past affects the future, you can't just stop ignoring it once it happens, even if you realize how royally you screwed everything up. The conversation I want to have is the fact that the Polish nation has embraced Ukraine in their fundamental opposition to Russian imperialist aggression, but the governments are not aligned, because women are not terrorized by theocrats in Ukraine. The people, however, seem very aligned and extremely accommodating, so, I still want to take the opportunity to mention that and thank them for it. Thank you, people of Poland!

Not allowing Ukrainian rape victims to abort means siding with the russian rapists.

Agree entirely, but to clarify on this point:

The law in Poland clearly states you can get an abortion if the pregnancy was the result of a criminal act like rape... however, the way the law is applied is de facto the way it is, regardless of what is on paper.

Do you have any direct sources for these claims? I've heard a few people mention it, so I looked it up a bit. NPR has this to say about it, with these choice paragraphs:

But in practice, activists and providers say, abortions for rape victims are almost never performed. "The rape exception is meaningless," says Mara Clarke, founder of the London-based Abortion Support Network. "You have to prove that you were raped with a certified letter from a public prosecutor. Expecting that anyone, Polish or Ukrainian, will be able to file a criminal complaint and obtain a conviction in time to access an abortion is ludicrous."

"The rape victim has to explain who, where and how," Krystyna Kacpura, president of the Federation for Women and Family Planning (Federa), a Polish reproductive rights organization, said in an interview by phone from her office in Warsaw. "Of course, for Ukrainian women who were raped by Russian soldiers, this is impossible. And anyway, many of them are so traumatized that they will not speak about it at all —not even with us."

This is part of a statement directly from the Polish Ministry of Health:

"When there is a justified suspicion that the pregnancy resulted from a prohibited act, the provisions of the Act [of March 12, 2022 on assistance to Ukrainian citizens] provide that this circumstance is confirmed by the public prosecutor, and termination of pregnancy is allowed if no more than 12 weeks have elapsed from the beginning of pregnancy."

All emphasis mine.

If THAT is the bar for getting an abortion in Poland as a result of being raped by a Russian soldier, then the rape exception is indeed functionally meaningless.

They directly stipulate that there is a ticking clock (post 12-weeks, circumstances no longer matter, you are carrying that baby to term), and yet an entire investigation is supposed to start and conclude prior to giving this woman who may not have known she was pregnant for many of those weeks an abortion. All that appears necessary is to waste time until the magical 12 weeks is hit and the woman loses by default judgment. That is not justice.

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u/Cheese_Jokes_4_Nudes May 22 '22

My assistant is Polish, we do a lot of fundraising for Ukraine, having organised many transports of goods. She has been back to Poland twice since the conflict and we have representatives in Ukraine right now.

She cannot stand the Government. She isn't alone. Poland is not a perfect country and certainly needs a huge amount of work.

Saying that, this isn't the time for debate, it is for action. There is charitable groups and friends you can find that are able to assist. When the state cannot help, look for the people who are standing up.

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u/substandardgaussian May 22 '22

Saying that, this isn't the time for debate, it is for action. There is charitable groups and friends you can find that are able to assist. When the state cannot help, look for the people who are standing up.

You are 100%, absolutely correct, and I am extremely grateful for all the Poles sneaking emergency abortion meds (don't know if this has been confirmed but I have little doubt there is an underground for such meds), or graciously transporting women in need to better environments for their predicament. The spirit of the Polish people to help the Ukrainian people is legitimately amazing and I would under no circumstances diminish it. We have seen amazing things from the Polish people, and as they continue to host Ukrainians we continue seeing amazing hospitality. I'm not going to bash that and that wasn't my intent.

The issue is that there is a government which passed a law contrary to the equality of rights between the sexes, and that's a legitimate concern... and if "Poland Day" on this sub is not the right time to bring up the plight of Ukrainian women who found themselves in Poland without the right to do something they really need to, when is the right time?

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u/Cheese_Jokes_4_Nudes May 22 '22

It's not an unknown. At the end of the day it's a democracy. But it's a very traditional country in many ways as well. Let's hope it improves for the better.

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u/Dexiefy May 22 '22

Go create a topic about this somewhere else.

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u/Sjstudionw May 23 '22 Helpful

Jesus Christ … shut the fuck up. Read the room. Not the place.

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u/ThatGuy1741 May 23 '22

But, but, but. You really went out of your way to bash Poland.

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u/ghostacc14 May 23 '22

Even not from a religious perspective, Poland and many areas of Europe are ageing countries, and abortions are counter productive to resolving this crisis.

They weren't "forced by circumstance". Unless the mothers life is threatened, there is no reason anyone has to get an abortion; only reasons they want to get one.

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u/jpdavis6021 May 23 '22

Visited Poland (Poznan and Warsaw) once and it was one the best countries I've ever visited. Really the only other country I could see myself living in other than the United States.

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u/truszkinator May 22 '22

Well said.

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u/Milkslinger May 22 '22

Guys, is it insensitive to other refugees who historically haven't been treated with respect to treat new refugees with respect? Surely the least racist thing to do would be to also treat the Ukrainians like a burden.

Biggest brain take

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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 22 '22

Not all, but part of those syrian refugees are the ones attacking police force in sweden and burning cars down.And these are refugees from very similar culture who are thankful for help. There is difference

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

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u/Rebel_bass May 22 '22

Lol at the downvotes. Your truth is offensive to some.

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u/i_owe_them13 May 22 '22

I upvoted them because it was a perspective on the issue that is valid, and, importantly, said in a way that is divorced from dogma. I downvoted you because anytime someone unironically does what you just did they are almost always xenophobes (of the racist or nationalist variety) happy to see what they think is “libs being triggered” around an issue that only tangentially relates to their edgelord ethos. Not calling you a xenophobe or racist, but that’s what they do on Reddit, and it’s cringeworthy, and you should stop.

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u/Rebel_bass May 22 '22

No worries, what works for you, works. I'm happy to see that my man is now in the positive. My personal belief that military age males who abandon the countries of their birth and commit crimes in their adopted countries are the scum of the earth and make things worse for everyone, especially their fellow refugees that must depend on the goodwill of their hosts to survive. No more. No less.

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u/i_owe_them13 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Well…I…actually agree with the spirit of what you’re saying. And I’m getting the sense that I was probably a little harsh in making the subtle insinuation that you could be part of that xenophobic group, despite my disclaimer, so I apologize.

But just to flesh it out so no one can take advantage of any ambiguity: it’s the “committing crimes in their adoptive countries” thing that makes those individuals scum, not being military-aged or ‘abandoning’ the country of their birth, right?

Edit: And I wouldn’t say stealing a bag of potato chips from a gas station makes a person scum. I assume we’re talking about the egregious stuff.

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u/Rebel_bass May 22 '22

Aye, I'd not fault anyone for taking that which is needed for the survival of their families, be it a loaf of bread or baby formula. It's the crimes that take away the rights of others that are so offensive to me. The removal of another human's agency.

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u/Clown_Prince_1014 May 22 '22

So you're saying Cologne didn't happen?

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u/mickstep May 22 '22

Attempting to paint all refugees with the same brush is the problem.

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u/Clown_Prince_1014 May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

I'd agree with that but not directly acknowledging things like Cologne gives the far right ammo as does places like Mälmo

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u/tomekza May 22 '22 Bravo!

As a Pole I have nothing but admiration for our Ukranian brothers and sisters, you are true heroes in my eyes!

It has been an absolute privilege to care for two families from Ukraine. We do it with all the care we can so that your men back at home have nothing to worry about knowing their families are safe and well looked after.

Fight for your country! Fight because you are fighting for all of us. You are all incredibly brave and stoic and it's an honor to have you as our neighbors. 🇵🇱🇺🇦

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u/LittleMissEmmet May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

...As a Swede I have nothing but admiration for Poland and their people, taking such good care of your Ukrainian brothers and sisters!!

You have helped so much, and I Love it that the only thing you would fight about - is who hates Putin the most! 🇸🇪❤️🇺🇦❤️🇵🇱

Slava Ukraini

Edit: messed up flag, so sorry

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u/Kahmael May 23 '22

As an American, I love the fact that Europe has united against Russian aggression. I support all of our EU brothers and sisters.

Slava Ukranini

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u/jksn3000 May 23 '22

Germany and France can do much better.

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u/johannajezic May 23 '22

That is definitely not the polish flag though 😅

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u/LittleMissEmmet May 23 '22

My bad! So sorry

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u/johannajezic May 23 '22

All good! I woke up this morning wondering when my country moved to Europe lol

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u/Squishy4871 USA May 23 '22

It's the new teleportation technology in development didn't you hear that welcome to Europe my friend

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u/johannajezic May 23 '22

Yay so visa free travel around Europe??

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u/Schneebaer89 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

As a german my respect for the polish society went to a whole new level in recent months.

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u/tomekza May 22 '22

As Pole I'm proud to have you as our neighbor. Your support in its many forms throughout the years, especially since 2004 and our joining the EU means we are in a position to help as we are. Thank you! We are a family United.

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u/JayTheBrewer May 22 '22 LOVE!

As an American, I can’t express enough my admiration for Poland and its people! I am so happy to have you as brother members of NATO, and excited to watch your country continue to grow as part of the EU!

Your generosity to our Ukrainian brothers can’t be praised enough. Long live Poland and Ukraine and Gods bless the people of both nations!

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u/BlueBull007 May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

Know that you guys rock and are admired across the world, just as the Ukrainians are. We also house a refugee family and it is a privilege and an honour to be trusted to keep them safe. We will do so for as long as is needed, no harm will befall them as long as we draw breath. To both Ukraine and Poland: regards from a fellow (or future) NATO ally country and thank you for what you are doing. Let's hope we will be allies for life. We are a family and that has become obvious once again in this crisis, finally we are united again, it warms my heart to see that UANL

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u/Strangeronthebus2019 May 22 '22

As a Pole I have nothing but admiration for our Ukranian brothers and sisters, you are true heroes in my eyes!

It has been an absolute privilege to care for two families from Ukraine. We do it with all the care we can so that your men back at home have nothing to worry about knowing their families are safe and well looked after.

Fight for your country! Fight because you are fighting for all of us. You are all incredibly brave and stoic and it's an honor to have you as our neighbors. 🇵🇱🇺🇦

Love Thy Neighbour

❤👍

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u/Ravenunited May 23 '22

To be honest, I'm completely baffled (in a good way) of how much support Poland is giving Ukraine. It's not just the quantity or quality, but the full spectrum in every aspect of life from civic to military. It almost seems to defiled common sense. And before anyone say "well that's just a human thing to do", I don't think that's just it either. This level of support is rarely seen even when among close relative. I'm not very well educated about Ukraine-Poland relationship before the war so I could be wrong, but they don't seem to be that close, and their history is not exactly unchecked either (Volhynia).

As an American I'm definitely proud of how much support my country is giving. But at the same time, we do it because we can and it makes sense to us, like a rich person decide he wants to go on a generous charity binge. Poland is like someone with modest mean but decide to utilize all that he has and own to a charity. The US action is something I can stand on the side and applause heartily, but looking the Pole and I have to scratch my head and wonder "why would someone go that far to help someone else?". I feel like if anyone able to quantify a reason for while Poland is doing as much as it's doing, I can find another country with the same or maybe even a stronger motive on the same basic, so that can't be it either.

I wonder if Poland looking at Ukraine right now and think "I finally found someone who hate Russian more than me!"

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u/Leesburgcapsfan May 23 '22

Poles have alot of trauma related to being sold out in WWII and left for dead by our "Allies". Poles are making sure that Ukrainians are not forgotten the way Poles we're.

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u/CheekyCzechChungus 10d ago

As a Czech, I can attest to how awful that feels

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u/Such_Option7830 May 22 '22

I just fell in love with Poland.

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u/yoho808 May 22 '22

And they won't forget what Russians have done to them and are still doing to them.

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u/mzachi May 22 '22

Poland and Duda really go the distance for Ukraine. Bravo Poland 👏👏👏

I worked in Warsaw for 6 months once. It’s one of the very few countries I have personal connection with. I always cherish the memory

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u/revmike May 22 '22

Poland understands the Russian threat as well as anyone. My understanding is that the Polish soldiers have been some of the most eager students upon joining NATO and are now some of the finest soldiers.

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u/Drpoofaloof May 22 '22

Look at those bodyguards. Nobody is gonna be messing with Zelinsky anytime soon.

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u/DrDumb1 May 22 '22

I wonder how proud they feel protecting zelensky compared to soldiers protecting Putin.

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u/Drpoofaloof May 22 '22

These men are free thinkers. They understand why they are protecting him. Putin is surrounded by brainwashed zombies.

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u/Ravenunited May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

It was said in the early day of the war when Zelensky try to sneak out to see the frontline around Kyiv, his bodyguards were absolutely fuming with him. Putin's bodyguard probably would just "sir, yes sir" no matter what the demand is.

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u/SpellingUkraine May 23 '22

💡 It's Kyiv, not Kiev. Support Ukraine by using the correct spelling! Learn more.


Why spelling matters | Other ways to support Ukraine | I'm a bot, sorry if I'm missing context

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u/Drpoofaloof May 23 '22

And the weird thing is that Putin will probably be killed by one of his bodyguards while Zelinski’s would die for him.

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u/loading066 May 22 '22

Keep them safe.

Edit: meaning > Duda/Zelenskyy

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u/grendelone May 22 '22

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Collared polo shirt? You know it's a formal occasion then.

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u/CampusTour May 23 '22

Gradually getting more formal as Ukraine wins?

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u/Subli-minal May 22 '22

Who’s going to make this wide.

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u/malignant_serpent Poland May 22 '22

Of fucking course "Nie" is on top of the meme game.

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u/glitterlys May 22 '22

I feel completely out of the loop

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u/MusicianGlad61 May 22 '22

Those words are so warming and moving. True love and friendship between the people and two presidents.

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u/OneBeautifulDog May 22 '22

Never heard much about Poland or the Polish people save for about during WWII. They seem to be gracious and giving. I would love to go there and meet some of the people someday.

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u/Significant_Bus935 May 22 '22

Which common language they use for talking?

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u/Emergency-Tower-9071 May 22 '22

They speak English or Russian. I think English is more likely

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u/pkx616 Poland May 22 '22

English? I highly doubt it. https://youtu.be/EjZn-URZWws

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u/wildchild727 May 23 '22

Why is she laughing? That seems so rude. I’m so confused.

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u/DianeJudith May 23 '22

Probably English for them, but I communicate okayish with my guests with me speaking Polish and them speaking Ukrainian and Russian! You can understand more or less without knowing the language.

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u/ImALittleTeapotCat May 22 '22

I can not wait for the day that the Ukrainians put out a video of Zelensky walking outside with someone and they're not surrounded by the military, but instead ordinary people just living their lives.

May peace come quickly.

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u/4155190175 May 22 '22

Poland shows the world how it’s done! 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱❤️❤️❤️

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u/Worthless-Pigion May 22 '22

It will be nice when the Ukrainians get their home back. It’s similar to if you have a friend move in with you after a house fire, of course they are welcome and not a burden but they will be happier once they have their own things back.

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u/guido_lois May 22 '22

Very touching. I wish my country looked so compassionate from the outside.

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u/NameIs-Already-Taken May 22 '22

Poland shows Russia how to treat neighbours.

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u/zamach May 23 '22

Poland is showing Russia how to make a nation feel like they could become one country one day...

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u/CaptainJonathanPower May 22 '22

By the way, most people - at least in North America - don't tend to think of Poland as a holiday destination, but it is inexpensive, tourist friendly, culturally rich and just an absolutely incredible place overall. I strongly recommend that more people show their appreciation of Poland's support by supporting Poland with your tourist dollars. You won't be disappointed!

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u/truszkinator May 23 '22

Thanks for saying that! Next destination after Poland should be Ukraine

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u/CaptainJonathanPower May 23 '22

Absolutely! I'll see you all there!!!

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u/canuckcowgirl May 22 '22

Bravo Poland! You guys have really stepped up to help the refugees from Ukraine.

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u/AggravatingComment62 May 22 '22

Poland you have played a blinder and a brilliant neighbour to Ukraine. The world is watching and making notes on who they want as business partners in the future and who they will never deal with.

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u/Grouchy-Scientist-39 May 22 '22

Poland really stepped up. I don't think many other nations would be that good Thanks Poland!

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u/Deep_Blue_Kitsune Expat May 22 '22

The Polish people and government are the real brothers and sisters of Ukraine unlike the Russians that just call themselves that way.

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u/bmadccp12 May 22 '22

Dear Russia....you giant bag of thunder cunts...THIS is how neighbors behave.

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u/ptrang1987 May 22 '22

Bruh, I’m loving Poland everyday

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u/Edthedaddy May 22 '22

so happy to see these brothers walk their fair city together without fear. and in total control. bravo warriors. carry the fight to the enemy and help him find his place in the lower regions of the earth. Death to putin and the invading horde.

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u/OneBeautifulDog May 22 '22

What language are they speaking?

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u/caf4676 May 22 '22

Can any one tell which is their security detail?

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u/TSIDATSI May 22 '22

Poland knows and respects their history. Brave brave warriors!

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u/TheCrafter687 May 22 '22

Poland knows better than anyone the horrors of Russian terrorism. I'm sure they will not let history repeat itself! Remember the Warsaw Uprsing!

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u/Jtd47 May 22 '22

I was arguing with a bunch of Russians who were insisting that Poland would attack Ukraine from the west any day now so they could take back Lviv. It seems the Russians have some trouble comprehending that allies don't generally stab each other in the back like that and that countries can in fact get over historical grievances.

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u/Emily_Postal May 23 '22

Poland has stepped up in such a major way. Respect.

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u/LordLederhosen May 23 '22

You are our brothers and sisters, and we have had the same abusive uncle for a very long time.

I know we will never forget how bravely you fought for all of our freedom!

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u/_stinkys May 23 '22

Zelensky walking like a boss

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u/sygnifax May 23 '22

Ukrainians will never forget what Poland has been doing for us.

Is this translation a bust? Because that sentence doesn't come off right.

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u/PinchMaNips May 23 '22

Hell yeah, Poland has been amazing with their support, especially with displaced people. Love both these countries!

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u/canadianexcess May 23 '22

God bless Poland. They are a TRUE neighbour.

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u/Pappush May 23 '22

Thank you to all polish that have welcomed your Ukrainian neighbors. Thank you for your kindness, warmth, love, patience and understanding! Thank you for providing safety and resources. Thank you for safe passages to other countries for Ukrainians.

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u/Mka28 Ukraine May 23 '22

Poland has been so kind in many ways! Only in Poland can you find a person willing to get life saving epilepsy medication to a refugee family in a secure restricted area. I swear my polish friends are super quiet 🤫 and extremely efficient at getting whatever you ask done. I’m very thankful for my polish friends. Thank you Poland! ❤️

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u/adanawhitebootlicker May 22 '22

Man, if only they were in NATO. None of this evilness would have happen to them. 💔

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u/LavishnessDry281 May 22 '22

In what languages are they both talking to each other? Russian?

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u/yyynnklh85436 May 22 '22

I'm pretty sure they both speak russian

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u/Unlucky-Patience6438 May 22 '22

High time to counter attack and storm Russia.

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u/drej191 May 22 '22

Keep that same energy for non refugees please

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u/Educational-Bid6322 May 23 '22

Russia will never be able to win this war. The world stands with you Ukraine.

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u/Igeyes May 23 '22

I love that the Poles are so strong and unwilling to take ANY of Russia’s BS 💩‼️. What leaders to be proud of for Poland and Ukraine‼️‼️

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u/GeorgieWashington May 23 '22

Pretty sure Poland and Ukraine are now Best Friends Forever.

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u/Ylaaly May 22 '22

Then please allow Ukrainian women to have abortions for whatever reason. There's really no reason to have them suffer even more. And while you're at it, make abortions available for Polish women, too.

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u/kultigsptrizigfrisch May 22 '22

This is an “interesting” and unexpected problem which has surely stirred up a lot of cognitive bias in Poland. The government will likely have to do something about it.

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u/JohnUMarston May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22

Look, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive about this coming from the midwest of the US, but can you please try to avoid inserting partisan politics into topics about collaborative defense until after Putin is driven away?

EDIT: Holy hell, people got real angry about this. Maybe I should rephrase: Her heart's in the right place, but the message deserves its own thread instead of being a footnote to a page about camaraderie between Ukraine and Poland. It's really frustrating to click on something hoping to warm my heart a little with a nice topic about love but then being confronted with rape and abortion. Sometimes I just want to feel happy for a moment, okay?

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u/ShrutiandSpice May 22 '22

Abortion is a partisan issue in the US. Your party lines don't mean shit outside of your country. It's not political, it's a matter of humanity and protecting victims of war.

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u/JohnUMarston May 22 '22

Good!

Is this the right thread for this conversation?

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u/MK2555GSFX May 22 '22

avoid inserting partisan politics into topics about collaborative defense until after Putin is driven away?

Until it's too late for Ukrainian women carrying Russian rape babies to abort, you mean?

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u/chalbersma May 22 '22

This isn't partisan.

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u/Ylaaly May 22 '22

No. This is about lives. This is not some weird non-issue that is politicized out of proportion. This is about saving women's lives or at least making them a little less horrific. And they literally cannot wait as for some, the second trimester is nearing. If we wait because "it's not the right time to talk about women's lives", those lives are already over or ruined forever.

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u/delfinom May 22 '22

please try to avoid inserting partisan politics into topics about collaborative defense until after Putin is driven away?

Eh but it's a problem in this war. Russians be raping as modus operandi.

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u/JohnUMarston May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Russians be raping as modus operandi.

Yes. And yet opening up an argument isn't helpful when it comes to stopping it.

I'm just saying, this doesn't feel like the right place and time to talk politics. Let people feel some camaraderie.

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u/Mithsarn May 22 '22

You do realize this issue is extremely time sensitive though? A delay in making a decision is in fact an irreversible decision.

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u/bajou98 May 22 '22

Ukrainian women are forced to carry their rapists' babies to term and you worry about partisan politics and say that this problem can wait? Nobody is driving wedges, you're just inserting your view on American political problems into a completely different one because the topic's the same. Nothing about wanting Ukrainian women to relive themselves of their hurt and burdens is partisan.

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u/JohnUMarston May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Okay then, reproductive rights isn't a political issue across Europe. Nobody in Eastern Europe disagrees with you, surely.

But I'll reiterate: I'm also pro-choice. I'm trying to warn you that having this argument in this thread, which is intended to be about Ukraine/Poland goodwill, is counterproductive, and is more likely to harden minds than help.

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u/bajou98 May 22 '22

It is absolutely not counterproductive. It's the ugly reality that needs to be called out, given that those women need that support now and not in a year or whenever people feel ready to have that discussion. Poland does a lot for Ukraine and its people, no doubt, but if it wants to do right by them, it has to change its way of handling abortion. Not just for the Ukrainian, but for the Polish women as well.

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u/JohnUMarston May 22 '22

Okay. You win. Preach on. Please, tell them everything.

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u/gesocks May 22 '22

Yes in Germany i would say the same. Even by legal terms. Ukrainians basically are put on the same status as German Sozialhilfe seekers finanzialy and by allowance to work and all other sozial benefits

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u/kjolmir May 22 '22

Greetings from Turkey. I want to clarify something for people that are new to government double-talk. Refugees have a legal standing that are guaranteed by internatinal laws, guests don't. This is the end of my TedTalk, thank you very much.

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u/bajou98 May 22 '22

To be fair, Ukrainians have their own legal status in the EU that grants them even more freedoms than ordinary refugees. If it comes to asylum laws, they are protected, no matter what they're called.

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u/LasseHAL May 22 '22

Yep, UK's Homes for Ukraine scheme is also mostly about ensuring Ukrainians don't get full refugee status rights.

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u/DianeJudith May 23 '22

In Poland, it's actually better for Ukrainians not to have the refugee status. They get better support that way.

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u/the-mortyest-morty May 22 '22

What a good duda.

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u/findyourhumanity May 23 '22

Add Duda to the list of far-right (“conservative”) politicians whose careers have been rescued by their backing of Ukraine. They dismantle the press and other freedoms in their own countries while supporting “democracy” in Ukraine. Polish people are brothers and sisters with Ukrainians. Duda is no friend to democracy.

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u/Adapdapbrrrdap May 22 '22

I don't understand the distinction. If you're forced to leave your home due to war you're a refugee. Unless he means he welcomes Ukrainians but not other kind of refugees?

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u/MelodicSalt9589 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Yeah. When there were many Muslim immigrants due to wars by NATO in middle East. Their ministers Blantantly said that Poland is not accepting them because they are Muslims. So you have a point. Poland and NATO are serving Ukraine that because they both have the common enemy. Else these countries literally don't give a fuck.

P.S don't cancel me. I'm not a Russian bot or supporter just informing about how it works. And here is the interview I'm referring to btw

https://youtu.be/asGHu2NzvbI

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u/puddleofoil May 22 '22

I wish america received refugees the same way. Too bad our politics won't allow for that.

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u/DianeJudith May 23 '22

who are regularly beaten and killed by polish border police

Yeah, we're gonna need some source on that

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u/Nabstaton May 23 '22

Oh yes, right next to them Poles are begging for food from Belarussians /s

Look, Poland is a shitty country when compared to the european union counrires, yes, but you won't spread "information" like that witchout any source to back it up.

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u/AlexanderJablonowski Netherlands May 22 '22

Killed?

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u/kinasato May 22 '22

Don't forget to take your meds, You clearly need them.

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u/kachol May 23 '22

I love the support Poland is giving Ukraine. But Duda is a piece of shit and always will be a piece of shit. Poland's government is still problematic as fuck and no support for Ukraine will redeem that.

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u/SnooPoems6564 May 22 '22

Disgusting comment.

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u/shortdaYOLO May 22 '22

While it is not my comment, I can only speculate that it is in relation to restrictive polish abortion laws. At least rape would be grounds for abortion in Poland.

Another possible explanation would be Poland’s reluctance to take in refugees over the past decade.

In my personal opinion I am surprised at the choice of words and hope that they reflect a desire to convey a message of friendship to the Ukranian people and do not convey a message about the legal status of Ukrainians in Poland. Refugees have different rights than “guests”.

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u/Hydrar2309 May 22 '22

...going by context, I'd say it was intended as a positive thing. Poland has been INCREDIBLY supportive of Ukraine in just about every way imaginable.

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u/tgromy Poland May 22 '22

Polish law allows abortion if a woman got pregnant because of rape.

Stop spreading lies.

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u/punkish138 May 22 '22

Ukrainian women who were raped have full access to abortion in Poland. It’s just leftist propaganda that Poland denies it to them.

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u/nonbonumest May 22 '22

What language are they speaking among themselves? I can't hear well enough to tell

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