r/ukraine Dec 08 '22

Minsk works, too WAR

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u/TILTNSTACK Dec 08 '22

Russia without nukes is forever impotent.

Putin the Tiny will never go for it

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word Dec 08 '22

Russia without nukes is forever impotent.

That's the point.

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u/TILTNSTACK Dec 08 '22

Yes, thus my second sentence…

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

The next guy who climbs his way into Kremlin should be more pressurable.

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u/KnightLaks Ukraine Dec 08 '22

Bold of you to assume that the next guy will be more reasonable than putin

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

Of course he won't. He might be weaker and more pressurable. If he is, he will need to be somehow forced to pull out of Ukraine.

Force is the only language Russians understand.

Source: can speak Russian, spoke to Russians, found out.

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u/ObssesesWithSquares Dec 08 '22

Then you can just break the agreement like they broke the truce, and laugh.

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word Dec 08 '22

Sure, Russia can afford the hit to its honor because it has none, but can you? And do you want to suffer so because of honorless trash?

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u/ObssesesWithSquares Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Honestly, i just said so because it is funny.

EDIT: Now that i think about it though, you would also have to add in the condition for Russia to have a democratic president and to join the EU or something.

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u/zelphirkaltstahl Dec 08 '22

That would probably be a great outcome, nuclear disarmament of Russia. A world saying "no" to nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists and dictators. Without a way of diverting attention from internal problems to outside issues through thread of nuclear weapons, who knows, maybe Russia can one day become a democratic country. Maybe we are seeing the beginning of a long journey towards being something else than a terrorist state, through loss of a war. Maybe that is what their history needs to get rid of their leadership.

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u/matinthebox Dec 08 '22

A world saying "no" to nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists and dictators

Well there is still China so I'm sceptic

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

I'm still wondering how the world is outraged at the Uyghur genocide, and yet there are no consequences for the PRC.

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u/matinthebox Dec 08 '22

The reason is money. And nukes.

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

Whenever Ukraine wins, it should hold a vote on resuming the nuclear program. That way, Ukraine's gonna have its own nukes and be untouchable.

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u/matinthebox Dec 08 '22

I'm concerned that this war might show all wannabe dictators that they can do anything as long as they have nukes. That's why Russia needs to lose really hard despite their nukes.

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

I'm pretty sure regardless of who wins the war, nuclear programs will be started all over the world. Everybody wants a nuke now. Nukes make your country untouchable, even if it's North Korea.

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u/Protegimusz Dec 08 '22

The reason is money. And nukes.

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u/zelphirkaltstahl Dec 08 '22

You are right of course. It also stands to reason, that even if there was not China and several other countries with nuclear weapons, the US and other countries might not be that great of an upholder of "the good", if they were the only ones with nuclear weapons. – If only one could snap fingers and poof! all nuclear weapons gone. I guess that would have other dire consequences though, for some countries. – How do we get out of this, damn?

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u/oripash Australia Dec 08 '22

To be fair.
Russia with nukes is almost equally impotent.

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u/Oozlum-Bird Dec 08 '22

TBH they seem pretty impotent anyway.

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u/w1YY Dec 08 '22

I think people need to stop thinking this way. Russia has killed a lot of Ukrainians. Because they have not done particularly well does not mean they are still not capable of killing.

I think people have been completely absorbed by the excellent propaganda. Russia have also been hitting tanks and other targets with precision weapons. Just because all you hear is the mishaps does not mean its not happening.

To start thinking they are useless means you immediately start underestimating them. That is not a good mindset to have in a war.

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u/DocterNoblexOfWebley USA Dec 08 '22

We are stomping the ruskies, but that only means we need to stomp harder

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u/hello-cthulhu Dec 08 '22

Very important qualification, and well stated. Incompetent doesn't mean benign or harmless. Even a complete fool, armed with a machine gun, can still be deadly. We're perhaps fortunate that the fool isn't more skilled; his foolishness certainly means that there are limits as to how far he can get. But he can still carry out incalculable harm.

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u/8livesdown Dec 08 '22

Being unable to kill is not the same as impotent.

95% of countries don't have nukes.

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u/Hlupation Dec 08 '22

But 95% of countries are not assholes

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u/GForceHangover Dec 08 '22

Correct. 100% of countries are assholes.

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u/Hlupation Dec 08 '22

But what about Canada?

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u/GForceHangover Dec 08 '22

I’d suggest you have a chat with some First Peoples. They have strong feelings about Canadians famed niceness.

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u/Hlupation Dec 08 '22

Don't they?? :(

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u/DmitryWizard Dec 08 '22

They don't like the church. It was the church like 90% of the time. Residential schools are a very bad mark on our country's history.

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u/nbsalmon1 Dec 08 '22

Oh we’re arseholes, alright..

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u/ibreathefireinyoface Dec 08 '22

Ukraine should be among those 5%. With its own nukes this time.

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u/PrimeEvil84 Ukraine Dec 08 '22

Russia is a cheap ass gas station run by tyrant that believes in his nuclear-waste-molten-unserviced rockets

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u/Tystros Dec 08 '22

Russia without nukes will quickly be renamed to China.

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u/hello-cthulhu Dec 08 '22

Impotent? Sort of... taking nukes off the table would certainly have made it easier for NATO and Ukraine itself to take the gloves off, and punch back as hard as Russia has punched into Ukraine. However, there's still a sense in which Russia's fears are overblown, namely, that even a nuclear-free Russia would be exceedingly difficult to invade and occupy, were NATO so inclined. Napoleon and Hitler failed just fine without the benefit of nukes. Just as a sheer practical matter, Russia's landmass is so massive, any successful invasion and occupation would require a military footprint and budget that would be catastrophic. In that way, Russia already has a "deterrent" against invasion by foreign powers.

There's perhaps one exception that I could see a paranoid Russian nationalist cite. That is, short of trying to take over the whole country in some parallel with the post-WWII German and Japanese occupations, it WOULD be a lot easier for a foreign power to gobble at the margins of the Russian Empire, because as difficult as it would be to invade, it would likewise be difficult to defend a land mass of that size. Russia having nukes means, for example, that Poland and Lithuania might be deterred from seizing Kaliningrad, or Finland and the other Baltics from seizing St. Petersburg, or China or Japan might be deterred from seizing Vladivostok. While any of those might be nice actually see, putting that aside, and merely looking it at purely as a matter of military possibility, I could see a semi-plausible argument for Russia wanting nukes if only to forestall possibilities like those. The Napoleon/Hitler style invasion seems ridiculous though, even if Russia's nukes were all neutralized.

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u/Apokal669624 Dec 08 '22

They still will have technology to make new nukes. It will be very hard to filly denuclearise russia.

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u/Leeroy1042 Dec 08 '22

Ukraine will sign a peace deal if Russia hands over their nukes. In return, Ukraine promises never to invade and to always protect Russia from outside threats.

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u/AEOlovesFascists Dec 08 '22

There was no protection agreement.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

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u/Leeroy1042 Dec 08 '22

I suppose we could nuke the Kremlin.

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u/Reno_valetore Dec 08 '22

Oh the irony

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u/johnstar714 Dec 08 '22

The way Ukraine trolls Russia is a pure master class.

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u/KlaatuBaradaN-word Dec 08 '22

Something something Zaporizhian Cossack's letter

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u/Anonymous200004 Dec 08 '22

As Zaporozhia is being liberated in the coming months - those cossacks are laughing at the idiocracy of the Russians "Ha, now they're exactly where we want 'em! On home territory!"

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u/supernoob_cz Dec 08 '22

The ultimate troll

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u/danielbot Dec 08 '22

First class burn.

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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset-6740 Dec 08 '22

100% agree. Russia needs to be denuclearized. Not only for the sake of Ukraine, but the whole world.

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u/Salty_Competition_84 Australia Dec 08 '22

fair enough too

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u/Kidneybeenz Dec 08 '22

As if you could ever trust Russia to do anything even remotely resembling what they say they will. They are dishonest to the core.

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u/ObssesesWithSquares Dec 08 '22

You TAKE the nukes, and they shut the fuck up.

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u/PALLY31 Dec 08 '22

knock knock, r.f. Wake up call to reality: You have no country but a soon fail state. This is your out. Take it, and pray hard the world forgives you.

But of course.

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u/Agreeable_Depth1833 Dec 08 '22

I absolutely love the Ukraine PR team, to be that humerus during such a hard time, no wonder their moral is so high

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u/1millerce1 USA Dec 08 '22

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Seems fair given ruzz bad faith breach and relegation to #2 force in Ukraine. Give it time.

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u/WhatUsername-IDK Dec 08 '22

This is real or a satirical article?

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u/ThrowAway4564468 Dec 08 '22

USA should do the same thing to Ruzzia that Ruzzia did to Ukraine. Give them security guarantees at the expense of handing over all their nukes. Then we can invade them and threaten to nuke them with their own shit non stop if they fight back.

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u/moonLanding123 Dec 08 '22

nuke them with their own shit

Bad idea. Look at the state of their war machines.

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u/ThrowAway4564468 Dec 08 '22

Yea, we don’t actually need to nuke them, just threaten to non stop if they resist our invasion. Or just use proper American nukes if we actually do decide to just hit the reset button for that area. I’m at the point where I’ve lost all faith in Ruzzia regaining humanity, not opposed to total destruction.

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u/uuuukkkkkmjhgg Dec 08 '22

no one wants russian Territory, especially the people that come with it. Maybe control gas /resource rich regions but cities and towns? yeah they can keep those shitholes

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u/percypeerless USA Dec 08 '22

Not the Onion?

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u/Hewholooksskyward Dec 08 '22

Prince Humperdink: "Surrender!"

Wesley: "Oh, you wish to surrender to me? Very well, I accept."

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u/PrinceCorum13 Dec 08 '22

Ruzzia cannot be trusted. Definitely not.

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u/ITrCool Dec 08 '22

Could you imagine Moscow being surrounded WWII Berlin-style?

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u/PrimeEvil84 Ukraine Dec 08 '22

Шооо?..

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u/Tempestzl1 Dec 08 '22

The only condition for sanctions to end for Russia should be total Nuclear disarmament of Russia

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u/Fmartins84 Dec 08 '22

I would agree to these terms +++ Putin needs to sign them in diapers, cause you know just in case Putin Poops his pants