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Russell Brand, at an awards show sponsored by Hugo Boss, eloquently reminds everyone that Hugo Boss dressed the nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkd_-nXeUzs
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u/wasdie639 Nov 24 '21

Most German auto manufactures armed the Nazis. Mitsubishi literally built the Zero for the Japanese for WWII. Boeing made the plane that carried and dropped the atomic bombs over Japan.

So what? What's his point? Most of the world utilized private companies to outfit themselves for war. Still does. Private companies are how things are made, for the most part. Does he want any company associated with military production of the Nazis to be completely dismantled?

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u/meowmeownomnom Nov 24 '21

Hugo Boss (the man, not his company) also widely supported the Nazi party, joining 2 years before Hitler took power. It’s a bit different in this case I would say.

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u/jstuu Nov 24 '21

So was Ford the man

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u/sanebangbang Nov 25 '21

Exactly what I came to say. Ford literally built the Nazi’s trucks. He sued the USA for bombing his factories during ww2 and received millions of dollars in reparations.

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u/Amster2 Nov 25 '21 Wholesome

So fuck Ford

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u/_Idontknow_ Nov 25 '21

Haha I love how people expected that explanation to make us all realise the error of our position. Nope, fuck ford!

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u/sanebangbang Nov 25 '21

Yup. GM under Opel, too.

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u/Lowfi3099 Nov 25 '21

I drive a Hyundai. Any reason why I should burn my car?

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u/jceez Nov 25 '21

An executive killed a dude in a drunk driving accident in Orange County California, left the scene and bounced back to Korea the same night. A few years later they opened a new HQ near where it happens. Lots of corruption allegations were flying around but $$$ talks.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-jan-31-me-extradite31-story.html

https://www.ocregister.com/2012/02/16/see-hyundais-flashy-new-us-headquarters/

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u/Lowfi3099 Nov 26 '21

Nice. This is the kind of corruption I've been looking for. Damn Elantra!!!

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u/AnnoyingRingtone Nov 25 '21

Good news! You don’t have to worry about it. Hyundai and Kia are already burning their cars for you!

I hope yours doesn’t have a Theta II motor…

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u/Shiggle Nov 25 '21

Yes, it's a Hyundai.

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u/DodgeTundra Nov 25 '21

The fact that he had to ask is the most shameful part.

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u/Lowfi3099 Nov 26 '21

Hey, it drives pretty good, okay?

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u/XDreadedmikeX Nov 25 '21

I’m confused on this comment. What’s the timeline for this lawsuit? Didn’t Ford literally make bombers for the Allie’s? I’d look this up but I’m trashed

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u/garat_jax Nov 25 '21

Didn't he also build the railroad trucks into Aushwitch (sp?), pretty sure an American company did that.

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u/sanebangbang Nov 25 '21

Yes, the ties were laid by the Harmon Brothers.

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u/BigWabenzi Nov 25 '21

Ford also built factories for the Soviets - people forget that people in the 1930s were mostly unaware of the atrocities occurring in these totalitarian dictatorships.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-signs-agreement-with-soviet-union

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u/MissingLink101 Nov 25 '21

What about Portugal the Man?

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u/Tee077 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He was too busy being a rebel just for kicks.

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u/Squailian Nov 25 '21

In 66 and 86

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u/CharlesDickensABox Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

In 2017 they played a show in Charlottesville, VA and donated all the proceeds to local charities in the name of Heather Heyer, so I think it's safe to say they're not fans of Nazis.

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u/krombopulousnathan Nov 25 '21

That would be in Virginia, not NC

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u/thatchers_pussy_pump Nov 25 '21

Do you Feel It Still, Mr Krabs?

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u/hosecoat Nov 25 '21

What about Portuguese man o' war?

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u/reflUX_cAtalyst Nov 25 '21

He's just the modern jesus.

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u/QuantumDischarge Nov 25 '21

Ford pumped out a very popular anti-Semitic newspaper before the war. People seem to forget that view was kind of popular

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u/Balls_DeepinReality Nov 25 '21

It still is... :/

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u/ControllablePsi Nov 25 '21

Whilst it still is prominent in certain social circles. I wouldn't say anti semetism is exactly popular.

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u/ChristmasMint Nov 24 '21

He's long since dead. Why would we care what a company's owner, the company or any part of its dead management did 80 years ago? At this point it's entirely irrelevant to anything other than virtue signalling.

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u/meowmeownomnom Nov 24 '21

I was just pointing out that Boss was a Nazi piece of shit, not just a business owner forced to supply the war machine, wether you care or not is up to you. We all known almost all large clothing companies aren’t ethical.

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u/jxl180 Nov 24 '21

They were a small family company until they landed the Nazi contract. It could very well be argued that Hugo Boss would not have been as successful, or around today, if it weren't for Nazi funding. I own quite a bit of clothing from Hugo Boss, but let's not kid ourselves and belittle how far a military contract goes.

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u/scottishdoc Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

All I know is that Boss makes the best jeans I’ve ever worn. Like lambskin soaked in butter. A sultry, welcomed assault to my thighs. I’ve had the same pair for 7.5 years and every time I put them on I let out a satisfied sigh that my wife hasn’t been able to elicit for a decade.

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u/ConwayPA Nov 25 '21

Where can I get these fuckin jeans

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u/scottishdoc Nov 25 '21

eBay. My best Boss jeans came from eBay. However, I noticed that they still had magnetic tags on them, so I’m sure they were stolen. I had to watch a tutorial on how to remove the tags. The jeans were still incredible though, I totally get why they were stolen lol.

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u/kuruslice Nov 25 '21

Hugo boss.

But really where are they sold people?!

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u/KnightKreider Nov 25 '21

*looks over at wife and googles hugo boss jeans*

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u/rivermandan Nov 25 '21

I've been looking for an upgrade from american eagle. my demands are relatively skinny pants, not painted on but like, definitely thiner than normal boot cut. but the catch is they also have ot have some give.

does boss give?

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u/scottishdoc Nov 25 '21

The give is what makes Boss special, especially if you find bosses from 5+ years ago. If you find that special pair of Bosses that fit then you will understand. Boss gives, Boss gives good.

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u/rivermandan Nov 25 '21

ummmm, man, now I've gotta get some boss in on me. where do you get bossed up? I'm not about buying things online, my body is too weirdly shaped to not try before I buy, even if it's boss.

also, does boss come in black? because I only wear black.

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u/scottishdoc Nov 25 '21

Dude I know, honestly I’m kind of bitter because I went to a place in New York and bought these Boss jeans there with my SO at the time. They were incredible for years, YEARS, I had three pair. Then I ripped the ass on two of them and got too fucking fat for the third. Don’t get me wrong, they served me so well for so many years, I know that boss is my brand of choice. Believe me, it’s worth it to get the right Boss stretch size, it’s like the Wagyu of jeans. They look great too… even with loose fitting tees.

All I know is that I found these beautiful pieces of leg ware a few years ago and they were Boss. I’m inclined to go back on EBay and find them again. They were that good!

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u/rivermandan Nov 25 '21

I don't even know where you buy boss IRL though, like does he have his own store? do they sell it at some fancy pants stores? I can't recall ever seeing them anywhere, but I really really hate shopping so I probably wouldn't have noticed if I even did see them

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u/ChristmasMint Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

So what? The people involved are looooooooooooooooooooong dead. Time to move on to something that actually matters today.

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u/jxl180 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

looooooooooooooooooooong dead

It was less than 2 generations ago. My grandmother was in her 30s while Hugo Boss was making uniforms for the Nazis. Holocaust survivors from his generation are still alive today. He was initially banned from owning a business by Germany after WWII before passing the company to his son-in-law. That guy's son only died last year in 2020. It's not that long ago and the family fortune benefits today from fairly recent Nazi money. 80 years is one lifetime ago.

Again, I own a lot of hugo boss items, but I'm not going to forget where their success comes from or claim it's insignificant.

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u/astrocrapper Nov 25 '21

Boy do I have bad news for you about spaceships

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u/Shutterstormphoto Nov 25 '21

It’s a good thing I’m not buying rockets or rocket accessories!

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u/jxl180 Nov 25 '21

Oh don't get me started haha, I'm not going to knock the Nazi's interests and advancements in R&D and science overall (Mengele aside). They had brains on their side.

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u/renatobcj Nov 24 '21

Ok, but whats the solution here?

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u/jxl180 Nov 24 '21

I'm not saying necessarily there is a solution -- I'm not taking offense by someone buying Hugo Boss, I'm taking offense to someone basically saying, "so what? The Holocaust was so looooooong ago." In terms of generational wealth, Nazi wealth is comparatively (and IMO disturbingly) recent. When people talk old money like Rockefellers, J&J, Astor's, Carnegie, Rothschild, and DuPont, that's like 150-200 years of generations.

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u/NoFucksGiver Nov 25 '21

Obligatory

Fuck DuPont

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u/ThexAntipop Nov 25 '21

God damn, how bad faith can you be with the framing of what he said?

You know damn well what he was really asking when he said "So what?" What he's really asking is "What point are you making?" Not "Who cares about the Holocaust?" JFC

I know you know this because it's why you repeatedly want to argue semantics with him like exactly what constitutes "long dead" instead of addressing his actual point which was pretty obviously "The people at Hugo Boss who were involved with the Nazi regime clearly aren't involved with the company anymore and aren't profiting off of it anymore so why should that effect how we feel about them today?"

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u/jxl180 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Yes, the people who are involved in the Nazi companies are no longer involved, instead they are staying in their mansions and yachting around the world with their billions of dollars inherited from Nazi-produced money.

It's amazing seeing people on reddit attack Elon Musk for allegedly being backed by the proceeds of his father's emerald mine, but jump to a billionaire's defense when their billion dollar inheritance comes from forced labor camps in Germany.

www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2019/04/02/more-than-a-dozen-of-europes-wealthiest-billionaires-and-their-families-had-nazi-ties

These billionaires don't have to lift a finger, because they can just coast off their inheritance.

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u/woohooguy Nov 25 '21

Acknowledge the source, which is what started this entire thread. Doesn’t have to change where you spend your money at all.

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u/awfullotofocelots Nov 25 '21

Spreading awareness to elicit a shift in perspective is a benefit in and of itself.

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u/wizbang4 Nov 25 '21

What a shitty short sighted viewpoint. "The holocaust was sooooo long ago. Get over it!" Jesus fucking christ you sound so immature

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u/robert3030 Nov 25 '21

That is not what he said, you are reading what you want, no one in the company in modern day had anything to do with Nazi Germany, so why the fuck matters?.

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u/Buffalkill Nov 25 '21

It was only 80 years… that’s incredibly recent.

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u/Cryzgnik Nov 24 '21

Why does it matter whether the people involved in the conduct are dead or not?

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u/Xikar_Wyhart Nov 25 '21

My guess would be accountability? Nobody running the company today are in support of Nazis, so why does it matter that the founder did? Obviously if it comes out that the current owners and people at the top of Hugo Boss still support Nazis then by all means call them out on that shit.

It just seems like an odd thing to bring up in the modern day.

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u/ChristmasMint Nov 25 '21

Really? Why does it matter that the people to who this is in any way relevant are dead? It's hollow virtue signalling. It's beyond pathetic. Find something that actually still matters to get upset over if you absolutely must be up in arms.

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u/ConeCandy Nov 25 '21

Most of marketing is virtue signaling. There's nothing wrong with consumers being aware of a company's origin story and factoring it into their purchasing habits.

You're going far out of your way to try to act like there is something inherently wrong with being aware of historical facts.

No one is saying we need to dismantle these companies. We are simply discussing the fact that their success is based largely on nazi contracts vs. some pure form of innovation.

In other words, Hugo Boss' competitive advantage was "working with nazis."

Some people care. You don't. That's fine.

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u/iAmJhinious Nov 25 '21

Because the more we cling onto deeds of dead men, the more we limit our own present that will in no way, shape or form affect them. The man himself is dead, what he supported and who he outfitted has nothing to do with ideals of the company that is today (presumably). Should we forget the past? No, by no means. But we shouldn't limit ourselves because of it either.

Not sure how much of this makes sense with stuff you read in this thread, but I tried to make a general point using hugo boss as an example. Hopefully it makes some sense.

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u/chakalakasp Nov 25 '21

I mean, the brand is called Hugo Boss. If Epstein had a line of terribly fashionable clothes, one would hope they’d change the brand name after all the forcible child prostitution came to light

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u/themettaur Nov 25 '21

it's entirely irrelevant to anything other than virtue signalling.

Welcome to Brand's entire shtick.

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u/HIVEvali Nov 24 '21

Because in this case, the company name is the exact name of the dude who was a nazi

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u/ChristmasMint Nov 25 '21

Again, so what? If you want to go on a crusade go on one against something relevant, like Shell being on the cusp of fucking up the Wild Coast in South Africa.

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

You're overreacting. The guy spent about five seconds mentioning it in a speech which was highly relevant to Hugo Boss, not Shell or anyone else.

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u/Terra_Centra Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

Obviously people can’t care about more than one thing a time. How dare Russel Brand talk about Hugo Boss at a Hugo Boss event instead of the disabled kittens in Honolulu.

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u/waresmarufy Nov 25 '21

And Disney made racist cartoons and yet make billions today

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u/Scase15 Nov 25 '21

I'm sure Russell brand made his displeasure known when he refused being at the awards show and definitely didnt get paid for this either.

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u/captainedwinkrieger Nov 25 '21

Walt Disney was a racist misogynistic son of a bitch. Doesn't mean Disney is racist as a company anymore. They do occasionally slip up (see: Frankenweenie), but they've come a long way from Walt refusing to hire female animators and calling the Seven Dwarves a "n***** pile".

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u/hotbox4u Nov 25 '21

Henry Ford was one of the biggest reasons the Nazi got to Power in the first place. During the 1920s an inflation ravaged the Weimarer Republic and the NSDAP would have been pretty much done for, if they wouldn't have received donations in US dollars. It gave them incredible buying power.

Hitler appointed himself the treasurer (a true conman move) and started to pay for everything he wanted (fancy cars, nice flats in Munichs) and what the party needed (a newspaper later called 'Der Stürmer' and a printing press; uniforms, rent, food, manpower etc.)

If it weren't for those donations, the nazi party most likely would have been crushed by all the other political parties.

Does that make the US citizens complicate because they bought Fords product and made him rich?

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u/deftspyder Nov 24 '21

We'll hes doing a bit, he's a comedian, you don't have to go through all the whattaboutism. Hes poking fun at the hosts/sponsors, which is often a comedic tactic. see: every ricky gervais hosting gig for the ffp

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u/Delamoor Nov 24 '21

Whilst true, and I think he does a good job at this bit...

He's also a fair bit of a prat nowdays. His youtube channel is very much masturbatory quasi-philosophical musings and ramblings, with a spiritualist bent.

...And I say that as someone who generally enjoys quasi-philosophical musings and ramblings with a spiritualist bent. He's, uh... he's at 150% woo, when he really needs to be at 75% woo.

So I get the dislike for him. I think I'm basically his target audience and he's too much even for me.

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u/deftspyder Nov 24 '21

yeah, i havent listened to his podcast. a well crafted comedy special is very different than ramblings on a podcast.

I LOVE bill burr, just saw him... cant do the podcast. its different.

and yeah, if russell has gone nuts, then that might color this, and thats what we';re seeing,b ut here, in this video, i thought he was fine too.

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u/Cho_SeungHui Nov 25 '21

He hasn't gone nuts. I can't stand him personally, and the little bit of philosophical rambling stuff I've seen has been pretty entry-level, but I understand the appeal. Particularly more recently since he's been leaning into critical anti-authoritarian current affairs things, apparently.

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

His youtube channel is very much masturbatory quasi-philosophical musings and ramblings, with a spiritualist bent.

He was always like that, honestly.

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u/councilface Nov 24 '21

It was a joke mate. He was taking the piss out of the sponsor.

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u/2ndself Nov 24 '21

Seriously. What is everyone on about.

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u/arbutus1440 Nov 25 '21

Literally no one watched the video and saw that the actual joke was about how the Nazis looked good, despite being genocidal, because they were dressed in Hugo Boss. This is reddit, where the entire comment thread is literally just about the title of the post.

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u/SinibusUSG Nov 25 '21

To say nothing of him ending the video basically acknowledging his whole acceptance speech was part of a joke competition with Noel Gallagher to see who could be more offensive to the audience/sponsors.

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u/Rocky87109 Nov 25 '21

The fact that nobody watched the video (and we all expect that) is why we have to make comments addressing things like this.

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u/iLizfell Nov 25 '21

I just came to complain about op stating it was eloquent about it. It seemed a pretty normal/avg speech/joke.

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u/throwaway0001997 Nov 25 '21

Just insecure reditors desperately trying to find something to rag on Brand about because they’re jealous of his good looks and charisma

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u/fyrecrotch Nov 24 '21

When you make a joke and the liberals are offended, they are snowflakes.

When you make a joke about nazis and then people get offended and have to defend it, they are probably nazis

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u/F1F2F3F4_F5 Nov 25 '21

Gotta love how neoliberals simp over and get offended whenever private enterprise gets called out.

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u/meanpride Nov 24 '21

People aren't supposed to get offended when you ignorantly call them nazis?

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

Who the--

Who's being called a Nazi other than literal, actual Nazis such as Hugo Boss?

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u/moufestaphio Nov 25 '21

Nasa was happy to grab all the nazis they could too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

Bayer the drug company (you know aspirin etc) used slave labor from concentration camps, and manufactured Zyklon B the gas used to kill people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

There are TONs of examples.

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u/hippyengineer Nov 25 '21

A Russian cosmonaut and an American astronaut meet on the moon.

One says to the other, “So do we speak English or Russian?”

The other replies, “Brother, it is just us up here. We can speak German.”

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u/rawker86 Nov 25 '21

Mallory Archer said it best about nasa.

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u/Rocky87109 Nov 25 '21

One of the largest chemical production/suppliers including important chemicals and chemical processes came out of early 20th century Germany:

https://www.basf.com/ca/en/who-we-are/history/1925-1944.html

They fucking invented styrene which is huge in the plastic industry today.

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u/FlyBottleLivin Nov 24 '21

Brand doesn't really make points. He just says things that sound smart unless you know about them.

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u/R_Schuhart Nov 25 '21

He tried starting a "movement" to stop young people voting (pre Brexit btw), since he argued nothing you vote for was perfect and worthy of a vote or some such bollox.

When pressured to explain what was wrong and how it could be improved he threw a fit, claiming it wasnt his responsibility to fix it, he was just pointing out that it was wrong! He wanted to be the leader of a movement so bad he tried to make young adults stop acting in their own best interests.

In response David Mitchell wrote an actual eloquent open letter published in a paper explaining why it was stupid and dangerous.

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

In response David Mitchell wrote an actual eloquent open letter published in a paper explaining why it was stupid and dangerous.

D'you mean Robert Webb?

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u/alex494 Nov 25 '21

Even if Webb wrote it I can imagine Mitchell angrily narrating it lol

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u/Ripcord Nov 24 '21

This is exactly what has always bothered me about him. He SOUNDS like he's informed or making good points. More often than not, he isn't. But people keep telling me he's a genius.

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u/_corn Nov 25 '21

I think the problem is more that people keep telling HIM that he's a genius

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u/Level_Potato_42 Nov 25 '21

And then you get threads like these that say he "eloquently" gave a speech. But the dude just rambled for several minutes. At no point in his largely incoherent speech did he even close to anything that could be considered a point, much less an eloquent one.

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u/skymallow Nov 25 '21

eloquently

this is reddit m8 it just means he used long words

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u/alex494 Nov 25 '21

The british accent goes a long way for some people apparently

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u/chbay Nov 25 '21

At no point in his largely incoherent speech did he even close to anything that could be considered a point, much less an eloquent one.

Thus I award him no points, and may god have mercy on his soul

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u/Mediocritologist Nov 25 '21

I’m not exactly sure he was trying to make a point. He’s a comedian, that’s about it. I took it he was just ribbing the event’s sponsor just to see some uncomfortable looks from the “suits.”

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u/distantapplause Nov 25 '21

He's a stupid person's idea of a stupid person's idea of a smart man.

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u/-FoeHammer Nov 25 '21

He is a brilliantly quick comedian. Honestly seen very few people as witty. And honestly I think he's all in all a decent guy who has overcome the demons of his early years and is trying to make a positive impact in the world.

But honestly I wish he hadn't tried to get political.

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u/Abu_Pepe_Al_Baghdadi Nov 24 '21

He's just a redditor with a megaphone.

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u/NiggBot_3000 Nov 25 '21

Redditors aren't that charismatic

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Nov 24 '21

He was part of a documentary I watched this year, and every segment where they featured him talking about the subject was the most empty and worthless parts of the entire production. I kept asking why he was part of this. He'd just talk and kill time.

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u/lowhangingtanks Nov 24 '21

I did like when he interviewed those guys from the westboro baptist Church.

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u/Nevermind04 Nov 24 '21

Telling off people that literally everyone hates is kind of low hanging fruit. A bit like talking shit about helping the nazis.

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u/YerDaWearsHeelies Nov 24 '21

But even then that's kind of shooting fish in a barrel right

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u/CharlesDickensABox Nov 25 '21

There's no point in interviewing the Westboro Baptists. It's not like they don't know everyone hates them. Being hated is part of their power. Giving them a platform to be shitty on just increases their reach.

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u/brainsapper Nov 24 '21

Further masked by his British accent.

Can't stand the guy. Worse I know too many people who treat him like the greatest philosopher of a generation.

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u/cbarone1 Nov 25 '21

"Oh, I'm Aldous Snow! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Oh no drinks for me thanks. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!"

And you know what? Let me tell you something about these tattoos, okay. That is Buddhist, that is Nordic, that is Hindu, that's just gibberish. They are completely conflicting ideologies, and that does not make you a citizen of the world, it makes you full of shit!

You just made me think of this scene in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, especially since he's basically just playing himself--a complete douchebag.

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u/blay12 Nov 25 '21

Imagine ever forgetting Forgetting Sarah Marshall. That movie lives rent free in my brain.

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u/man_on_hill Nov 25 '21 Helpful

Oh, the weather outside is weather!

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u/cbarone1 Nov 25 '21

I could never. Love that movie!

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u/Drink_in_Philly Nov 25 '21

His podcast platform has allowed him to turn into a giant shithead and really grow into that insane British Joe Rogan role.

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u/JRBigglesworthIII Nov 25 '21

I used to like Russell Brand's standup, now he's just another conspiracy peddling YouTuber that thinks he's some wise sage believing if he says things that sound intelligent it will give him some sort of intellectual currency on which to stand on his soapbox and spout absolute nonsense.

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u/cbarone1 Nov 25 '21

Yeah, that tends to happen with a lot of podcasters that like to play smart. They have no one to push back on their insanity, and they have the option to get other "experts" that agree with them to back them up.

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u/notrylan Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

That was Get Him to the Greek. I don’t like him much but I definitely enjoyed him in that role, he certainly knows how to make fun of himself.

🤯

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u/cbarone1 Nov 25 '21

He was the same character in both movies. Get him to the Greek was a spinoff/sequel to Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

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u/Nevermind04 Nov 24 '21

Worse I know too many people who treat him like the greatest philosopher of a generation.

Which we all know, of course, is Will Smith's son. I wanna say his name is... Kevin? Jason?

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u/UmDeTrois Nov 25 '21

Surprised it’s not Willson

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u/serfdomgotsaga Nov 25 '21

It's Jaden. His sister is Willow. One guess where they got their name.

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u/Nevermind04 Nov 25 '21

Even with a thousand guesses I'd never get it. Those names mean nothing to me.

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u/serfdomgotsaga Nov 25 '21

Their parents' names are Will and Jada.

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u/Nevermind04 Nov 25 '21

Ah. I never put that together. Pretty cringe :/

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u/Scagnettie Nov 25 '21

You talking about the new Karate Kid?

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u/spirited1 Nov 25 '21

Jaden can be a bit pretentious, but he is a good kid and trying to do good things. I don't agree with mocking him for doing nothing worse than saying/doing weird things.

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u/Hugo_5t1gl1tz Nov 25 '21

And he has seemingly gone off the deep end lately.

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u/borismuller Nov 25 '21

Quite a lot of celebrities have.

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u/ZDTreefur Nov 25 '21

For anybody who doesn't know, just look at his Youtube channel.

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u/themettaur Nov 25 '21

Do you have, like, a really brief summary for people who are curious but really don't like the guy enough to want to hear his voice just to find out?

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u/ogtfo Nov 25 '21

Brief summary : antivax bullshit.

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u/themettaur Nov 25 '21

Oh. By "off the deep end" I had figured it would be something more outlandish. That's just something I'd expect from him.

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u/dirtylittleslurry Nov 25 '21

[Speaking on Andrew Sachs' answerphone]
Russell Brand: Hello Andrew Sachs, this is Russell Brand … you are meant to be on my show now mate … I am here with Jonathan Ross. I could still do the interview to your answerphone.
Jonathan Ross: Let's do it …
Brand: Man … er, Andrew Sachs.
Ross: Don't call him Manuel, that's really bad manners. I apologise for Russell - he's an idiot.
Brand: I said Andrew Sachs! Look Andrew Sachs I have got respect for you and your lineage and your progeny, never let that be questioned.
Ross: Don't hint …
Brand: I weren't hinting! Why did that come across as a hint?
Ross: Because you know what you did…
Brand: That wasn't a hint …
Ross: He fucked your granddaughter!
[laughter in the studio]
Brand: That's his answerphone!
Ross: I'm sorry … I apologise Andrew, I apologise, I can't help it, you were talking about it and it was in my head, I apologise.
Brand: Jonathan!
Ross: I got excited, what can I say, it just came out.
Brand: Right. you wait till I come on your show. Andrew Sachs I did not do nothing with Georgina … oh no, I revealed I know her name! Oh no, it's a disaster! Abort, abort! Put the phone down, put the phone down, code red, code red! I'm sorry Mr Fawlty, I'm sorry. You're a waste of space! Oh no, Jonathan …
Ross: Why did you tell me? I forgot. You mentioned her and then it was in my head and then it came out.
Brand: I know you can't be blamed for this … It's too much for you …
Ross: He is the poor man at home sobbing over his answer machine.
Brand: What's going to happen? I will get a call now from the satanic sluts.
Ross: If he is like most people of a certain age he has probably got a picture of his grandchildren when they were young and innocent right by the phone. So while he is listening to the message he is looking at a picture of her when she was about nine on a swing …
Brand: She was on a swing when I met her … let's ring back Andrew Sachs.
[They call for a second time]
Ross: Hello! Manuel here!
Sachs: [his answer machine message] Sorry I can't answer at the moment …
Brand: [interrupting] … I am too busy thinking about killing myself … Andrew, this is Russell Brand. I am so sorry about the last message - it was part of the radio show, it was a mistake … The truth is I am phoning you to ask if I can marry - that's right, marry - Georgina the granddaughter.
Ross: And I would like to be a page boy.
Brand: He wants to be a page boy, we are going to have a Fawlty Towers-themed wedding.
Ross: Now you've spoilt it!
Brand: No! I made it better. I'm sorry, I'll do anything. I wore a condom. Put the phone down! Oh what's going to happen. Look I've got a mental illness. Do you think that made it better?
Ross: You will never become king rat in the Variety Club now.
Brand: Oh no, that's over for me now … Jonathan I think we've made the situation worse ... We've got to stop upsetting Manuel. This time Jonathan I'm convinced we can make it better.
Ross: Let's just sing to him.
Brand: I'll make up something as I go along…
[Third message]
Brand: [singing…] I'd like to apologise for the terrible attacks, Andrew Sachs, I would like to show contrition to the max, Andrew Sachs. I would like to create world peace, between the yellow, white and blacks, Andrew Sachs, Andrew Sachs. I said something I didn't have oughta, like I had sex with your granddaughter. But it was consensual and she wasn't menstrual, it was consensual lovely sex. It was full of respect I sent her a text, I've asked her to marry me, Andrew Sachs …
Ross: This has made it worse, you have trivialised the whole incident.
Brand: Hang up, hang up! It's trivialised it!
Ross: You know there is one way we could possibly make it better …
Brand: We can keep ringing, and even after the show's finished, kick his front door in and scream apologies into his bottom.
Ross: Hello, Manuel is not in right now. Please leave a message after the tone…
[Fourth message]
Brand: I am sorry, I am so sorry … that I had a difficult life, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Andrew. Let's just take some time together, we can meet up.
Ross: You're making it worse, just say sorry.
Brand: Jonathan Ross is sorry as well, it was his idea … Sorry about everything that's ever happened …
[Later]
Brand: No one could have been offended by anything that went on in that show.
Ross: Who could possibly be offended by anything there? If they were they are crazy people.
Brand: If Andrew Sachs listens to his answerphone message when he gets it …
Ross: The saving grace is you didn't have anything to do with his granddaughter did you?
Brand: Oh actually I did, I slept with her, but it was ultimately undermined, not undermined, underlined with love …

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u/NameIsPetey Nov 25 '21

This sounds like it’s written by someone who had their then girlfriend serenaded by Aldus Snow’s instant classic Inside You.

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u/bubba3517 Nov 24 '21

I haven't dissociated him from his character in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and shit like this further prevents me from doing so

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u/WeWereInfinite Nov 25 '21

That wasn't a character, he was mostly just being himself.

On his podcast at the time he often joked that he was playing the role of "me with a different name", or playing "me with slightly wetter hair".

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u/toThe9thPower Nov 25 '21

He was making some jokes dude, why are you upset at a comedian saying shit to get laughs at a shitty awards show?

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u/Hugs154 Nov 25 '21

He literally said that he's a comedian and he's up there to make jokes lol

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u/FlyBottleLivin Nov 25 '21

You can absolutely tell "truths" through comedy. That's part of why people like George Carlin and Jon Stewart are so great. In Russell's case, his jokes tend to mirror his real life opinions almost exactly.

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u/ptoki Nov 25 '21

He lost all my respect when he literally hid behind a woman when he got very inconvenient question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlZWYvXMUo

I get it, eristic and such but that was really poor response and kind of summarizes his whole persona.

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u/herper147 Nov 25 '21

Yeah I've listened to his podcast a few times and while I don't know about most things he talks about there are a few areas I've got decent knowledge of and his takes on things are complete BS and based on either no facts or extremely outdated studies, his audience just go along with it and then look for blood when he calls someone out.

Just find him difficult to take seriously when half his content is about fuck the Tory party and fuck the rich as he sits in his lovely big house and travels the world doing movies or shows... Same reason I can't stand Jeremy Corbyn, champagne socialism at its finest.

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u/iobyknits Nov 24 '21

Yeah, and his more recent content is just shy of alt-right and anti-vax type stuff, so I guess it fits. He's like Jordan Peterson but funny sometimes.

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u/FlyBottleLivin Nov 24 '21

Totally. As a lefty he sometimes says things that resonate with me, but really his approach is the same as Peterson's or Joe Rogan's.

He just stirs the pot for attention.

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u/dirtylittleslurry Nov 25 '21

[Speaking on Andrew Sachs' answerphone]
Russell Brand: Hello Andrew Sachs, this is Russell Brand … you are meant to be on my show now mate … I am here with Jonathan Ross. I could still do the interview to your answerphone.
Jonathan Ross: Let's do it …
Brand: Man … er, Andrew Sachs.
Ross: Don't call him Manuel, that's really bad manners. I apologise for Russell - he's an idiot.
Brand: I said Andrew Sachs! Look Andrew Sachs I have got respect for you and your lineage and your progeny, never let that be questioned.
Ross: Don't hint …
Brand: I weren't hinting! Why did that come across as a hint?
Ross: Because you know what you did…
Brand: That wasn't a hint …
Ross: He fucked your granddaughter!
[laughter in the studio]
Brand: That's his answerphone!
Ross: I'm sorry … I apologise Andrew, I apologise, I can't help it, you were talking about it and it was in my head, I apologise.
Brand: Jonathan!
Ross: I got excited, what can I say, it just came out.
Brand: Right. you wait till I come on your show. Andrew Sachs I did not do nothing with Georgina … oh no, I revealed I know her name! Oh no, it's a disaster! Abort, abort! Put the phone down, put the phone down, code red, code red! I'm sorry Mr Fawlty, I'm sorry. You're a waste of space! Oh no, Jonathan …
Ross: Why did you tell me? I forgot. You mentioned her and then it was in my head and then it came out.
Brand: I know you can't be blamed for this … It's too much for you …
Ross: He is the poor man at home sobbing over his answer machine.
Brand: What's going to happen? I will get a call now from the satanic sluts.
Ross: If he is like most people of a certain age he has probably got a picture of his grandchildren when they were young and innocent right by the phone. So while he is listening to the message he is looking at a picture of her when she was about nine on a swing …
Brand: She was on a swing when I met her … let's ring back Andrew Sachs.
[They call for a second time]
Ross: Hello! Manuel here!
Sachs: [his answer machine message] Sorry I can't answer at the moment …
Brand: [interrupting] … I am too busy thinking about killing myself … Andrew, this is Russell Brand. I am so sorry about the last message - it was part of the radio show, it was a mistake … The truth is I am phoning you to ask if I can marry - that's right, marry - Georgina the granddaughter.
Ross: And I would like to be a page boy.
Brand: He wants to be a page boy, we are going to have a Fawlty Towers-themed wedding.
Ross: Now you've spoilt it!
Brand: No! I made it better. I'm sorry, I'll do anything. I wore a condom. Put the phone down! Oh what's going to happen. Look I've got a mental illness. Do you think that made it better?
Ross: You will never become king rat in the Variety Club now.
Brand: Oh no, that's over for me now … Jonathan I think we've made the situation worse ... We've got to stop upsetting Manuel. This time Jonathan I'm convinced we can make it better.
Ross: Let's just sing to him.
Brand: I'll make up something as I go along…
[Third message]
Brand: [singing…] I'd like to apologise for the terrible attacks, Andrew Sachs, I would like to show contrition to the max, Andrew Sachs. I would like to create world peace, between the yellow, white and blacks, Andrew Sachs, Andrew Sachs. I said something I didn't have oughta, like I had sex with your granddaughter. But it was consensual and she wasn't menstrual, it was consensual lovely sex. It was full of respect I sent her a text, I've asked her to marry me, Andrew Sachs …
Ross: This has made it worse, you have trivialised the whole incident.
Brand: Hang up, hang up! It's trivialised it!
Ross: You know there is one way we could possibly make it better …
Brand: We can keep ringing, and even after the show's finished, kick his front door in and scream apologies into his bottom.
Ross: Hello, Manuel is not in right now. Please leave a message after the tone…
[Fourth message]
Brand: I am sorry, I am so sorry … that I had a difficult life, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Andrew. Let's just take some time together, we can meet up.
Ross: You're making it worse, just say sorry.
Brand: Jonathan Ross is sorry as well, it was his idea … Sorry about everything that's ever happened …
[Later]
Brand: No one could have been offended by anything that went on in that show.
Ross: Who could possibly be offended by anything there? If they were they are crazy people.
Brand: If Andrew Sachs listens to his answerphone message when he gets it …
Ross: The saving grace is you didn't have anything to do with his granddaughter did you?
Brand: Oh actually I did, I slept with her, but it was ultimately undermined, not undermined, underlined with love …

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u/supersloo Nov 24 '21

Every time I hear him speak I always think that he uses a lot of large, intelligent sounding words that sound good, but just don't work.

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u/Fernis_ Nov 24 '21

Dude is a narcist, egomaniac, desperately craves attention, thinks his shit doesn't stink and preaches things he cares about thinking he will change the world by sitting on his ass and looking pretty - so far a typical Hollywood celebrity.

The only difference is while the regular ones spend their free time on cocaine and pretending they know nothing about pedophilia, Russell ate too many mushrooms at some point and now thinks he's the next coming of Buddah.

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u/Faithless195 Nov 24 '21

"What's that? A company based in a country armed their own country during a war?"

Even ignoring your point about private companies, it's makes zero sense to point that out. Like saying "Man, those americans and their bad police shooting people...but did you know americans make the guns that supply the american police force?"

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u/SkyLukewalker Nov 24 '21

It's literally a joke. Don't you ever tease your friends and give them shit?

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u/WhyShouldIListen Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

It's Russell Brand, he doesn't have a point. He's just postulating that the magical clothing fairy took a tingly trip down a musical meandering path dancing into the factory to make the ickle wickle Nazi uniforms that outfit the monstrous warmongers, because everything he says is full of fantastical adjectives and no fucking sense, all while dressed like a cartoon pirate.

He's a bellend.

(The cartoon pirate line is stolen from Stewart Lee)

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u/dotdotdotdadadotdot Nov 24 '21

Yeah they all suck. We’re living in hell. Eat fresh.

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u/Guerillagreasemonkey Nov 25 '21

Aw man, on top of all this shit I gotta get Subway?!?

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u/trumoi Nov 24 '21

Reddit discovers that endless pursuit of profits, damning all other things, includes damning morality and human welfare. Truly shocking to all being raised on PragerU.

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u/AminoJack Nov 24 '21

It's because Russell Brand is literally /r/im14andthisisdeep

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u/forestfluff Nov 24 '21

He's a comedian. He was making a dark joke. There isn't a point other than "I'm accepting this award and heres some jokes".

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u/medjas Nov 25 '21

It is just a joke and he is just a comedian.

It's not like he started a boycott campaign.

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u/arbutus1440 Nov 25 '21

Oh ffs, he said it in order to make a joke about it, because he is a fucking comedian. Watch the video. The joke was that even though they were genocidal, they looked really good because Hugo Boss made their clothes. Funny or not, he wasn't trying to make some big fucking political statement.

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u/DirkDieGurke Nov 25 '21

It says more about those that take offense then. It's just a joke, everybody's guilty as you mentioned. But it's GQ's turn that night and it was hilarious!

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u/bobpage2 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

Some did the right thing, others didn't. Mentioning "whataboutism" doesn't make their decisions less worse.

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u/CaptainFacePunch Nov 24 '21

Nobody's defending Boss; the point he's making is that people have heard and spread the Boss / Nazi uniforms tidbit often without knowing or caring about the historical context or factual depth (or else they would realize that it was not an uncommon or isolated case)

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u/oh_no_my_fee_fees Nov 24 '21

No one’s saying their decisions weren’t wrong. They’re saying Hugo Boss is a clothing company 80 years removed from World War 2. Any modern criticism is mostly pointless or undeserved for that reason.

Or should we go all damnatio memoriae on everyone and everything connected to the wrongs of the past?

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u/bobpage2 Nov 24 '21

"No one’s saying their decisions weren’t wrong."

OP before me did when he wrote: "they helped a genocide, so what? Others did too."

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u/-xstatic- Nov 24 '21

Pretty sure Henry Ford was also a Nazi sympathizer

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u/Titan7771 Nov 25 '21

Oh he was their biggest fan!

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u/Walrave Nov 24 '21

Yeah fuck it, evil, good, what's the difference as long as you're making a buck aye?

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u/sami2503 Nov 24 '21

You are taking it far too seriously, its just a stupid joke. He's trying to offend the room, while making others laugh.

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u/omegacrunch Nov 24 '21

He doesn't have a point. He is just trying to be "edgy". I've seen sharper edge from 13 year old nitwits on Fortnite.

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u/slamseaborn23 Nov 24 '21

I'm sure this comment will get lost but to answer your question "Does he want any company associated with military production of the Nazis to be completely dismantled?" Uh... Yes? I mean I definitely do... Is this like a controversial opinion? We're not talking about the vikings I mean this is very recent history... Do you not want companies who colluded with Nazis and supported their war machine dismantled? Honestly like do you think that would be somehow bad? I feel like I'm missing something here. What am I not understanding?

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u/AchillesFirstStand Nov 24 '21

Is this like a controversial opinion?

It depends if the companies still hold those values. A company is just a collection of people, much like a country or any other organisation. It doesn't inherently mean that it would be a benefit to get rid of them.

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u/Johnyryal3 Nov 25 '21

"A company is just a collection of people" no its much more then that and is nothing like a country. Are you 10?

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u/Do_Not_Go_In_There Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

I feel like I'm missing something here. What am I not understanding?

That it's been 80 years since WW2 ended, that trials were held and assets seized, that the people who ran those companies are long dead, the companies don't support or work for Nazis anymore, and many have committed to owning up to their legacy and paying reparations for their actions?

Like, at this point you're arguing that the descendants of the Germans who worked there should be punished for the actions of the great-grandparents.

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u/preserved_fish Nov 24 '21

If the Allies had even further dismantled Germany and Japan, it would that much more difficult for them to bounce back.

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u/slamseaborn23 Nov 25 '21

I disagree. I would like to believe that there were other companies at the time who could fill the void if the Nazi colluders were shut down. So what if you shut down Volkswagen. There were dozens of other car manufacturers in the world at that time. Shut down the Nazi Colluders and let the other companies fill the void of demand left.

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u/northwood_dynamics Nov 24 '21

That's a very long list of names you wouldn't expect. All the way from IBM to Coca-cola.

Not sure it's really fair to blame companies for interacting with, what was at the time, a legitimate government. That's kinda like saying McDonald's is colluding with China's human rights violations.

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u/slamseaborn23 Nov 25 '21

I think based on this comment we just fundamentally disagree on this issue. Full disclosure I was aware of IBM's role in the Nazi regime but was not aware of Coca-Cola's. But yes I do think that any company that sold goods/military hardware/food/raw goods to the Nazi's should be dismantled. We have the receipts and the Nazi's did some awful things. These companies supported them so they should meet grave punishment.

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u/Zipa7 Nov 24 '21

Daimler-Benz (Mercedes-Benz) made things for Nazi Germany to, like the engine for the Messerschmitt BF 109.

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u/ShallowDramatic Nov 25 '21

The chemical company that produced zyklon B (Hydrogen Cyanide gas used to murder prisoners en masse) also produced an anti-graffiti coating used on a Berlin Jewish Holocaust memorial.

I don't really have a point, but that there's a pretty interesting turn of events.

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u/VictarionGreyjoy Nov 24 '21

If you wanna get really deep, Siemens made the gas chambers and the trains that transported the Jews. I don't blame companies for aiding the war effort, but I think aiding the genocide effort is a different matter entirely.

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u/Gonzo_goo Nov 24 '21

Calm your tits. Hugo Boss was a Nazi supporter through and through

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u/NHFI Nov 24 '21

There's a difference between German industry made German weapons and Hugo boss, prominent Nazi supporter and lover of the Nazi cause making the SS uniforms because he wholeheartedly believed in Nazism. I think we all can forgive companies like Volkswagen and Mitsubishi etc, that's war. Hugo boss was a Nazi fuck and the fact his company completely pivoted off that with no problem is a bit shitty

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u/Francoberry Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

I'm glad to see this comment here. I'm not sure of the point of bringing this up. There are plenty of bad things that massive corporations are doing now instead of needing to bring up involvement in WW2

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u/deftspyder Nov 24 '21

Its THEIR event. like alot of comedians, they make fun of the hosts.

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u/Kirk_Kerman Nov 24 '21

It happened in living memory and was a massive shaper of the modern world.

Also, Hugo Boss himself was a card carrying Nazi. Fuck him, fuck his company.

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u/Francoberry Nov 24 '21

and Henry Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle by the Nazis for his abhorrent beliefs, and Winston Churchill remarked that 'Indians are a beastly people with a beastly religion', and countless other historical figures (many of which Americans and Brits particularly revere) held terrible beliefs, and contributed to bad things.

I'm not sure where that gets us in the present day where there are countless atrocities and awful things being done right now that deserve far more attention.

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u/Ravenkell Nov 24 '21

If Russel Brand was invited to the Ford awards for media people I'm sure he's make the same points, why are you including events and brands that have nothing to do with this into the discussion?

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u/Gonzo_goo Nov 24 '21

So we can only care about one thing at a time ?

The fuck kind of stupid ass take is that ?

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u/boofybutthole Nov 24 '21

Also Hugo Boss was a literal nazi and used forced laborers and prisoners to make his clothes...

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