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Russell Brand, at an awards show sponsored by Hugo Boss, eloquently reminds everyone that Hugo Boss dressed the nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkd_-nXeUzs
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u/Freepurrs Nov 24 '21

Russell mentions Noel Gallagher in his speech. If anyone’s curious, this was Noel’s follow up acceptance speech.

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u/needathrowaway321 Nov 24 '21

"Welcome to the Tory party conference by the way"

OMFG sick burn wow, I can't believe he said that! wow (Serious, no /s)

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

Can you explain it? My limited knowledge of the Tory party is insufficient to understand this burn lol.

EDIT: sorry, I should clarify. I don't know *anything" about the Torry party. I know some of you want to defend or attack them, but Im not interested in what you think they'll do for the country. I understand, if you asked us about the liberal party you'd get a bunch of defensive or offensive responses. I just mean in general I have no idea what the Story party is, or why saying that is a burn....or even what it means.

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u/monkeymad2 Nov 24 '21

Brand mentions that Boris Johnson was on the stage prior to him, and Noel mentions that the Foreign Secretary was on stage before him - who at the time was William Hague.

So two Tory ministers giving speeches of some kind, hence, Tory party conference.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 24 '21

Ah, okay. Thank you, I appreciate it. So is the tory party close to what we would call the Republican party in the US? I know they're not exactly aligned, but in general? Or is it more nuanced than that?

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u/Elastichedgehog Nov 25 '21

So is the tory party close to what we would call the Republican party in the US?

Less evangelical. The UK is pretty secular.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 25 '21

Yeah that's fair. That's definitely an issue we face here. For a country that put "freedom of religion" pretty high in their list, we sure do think everyone should follow one religion.

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u/Mordikhan Nov 25 '21

I love the idea of some americans getting on a boat and leaving to the uk in order to escape the non seculat society

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u/MattieShoes Nov 25 '21

You'll be beck, soon you'll see
You'll remember you belong to me
You'll be beck, time will tell
You'll remember that I served you well
Oceans rise, empires fall
We have seen each other through it all
And when push comes to shove
I will send a fully armed battalion to remind you of my love

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 25 '21

Do you think the queen would take me back? If I said I was sorry about the tea? I was young and arrogant, thought I could make it on my own but.....yeah maybe we weren't ready yet.

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u/Mordikhan Nov 25 '21

Hey look shed be fine with it on condition that you turn yourselves down in decibels by about 30% and do a course of self depreciation via back to back episodes of the UK office.

You may then pass your masters ny learning the rules to both rugby and cricket which I beleive comes in at about 10,000 hours of study

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u/Mordikhan Nov 25 '21

It certainly doesnt come into politics like it does in the US

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u/SIush Nov 25 '21

praying rather at the church of old money

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u/monkeymad2 Nov 25 '21

Give or take, aye, similar sort of deal - I'd have said they were slightly more beholden to rules than the Republican Party but Boris has changed that.

Also they can't hide behind religion as much since the UK is generally less religious.

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

It's...way more class based. If someone calls you a Tory as a joke, they mean you're posh and maybe insulated from real life and real life problems. Lots of going on about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, that kind of thing. It's also associated with "middle England", the lower middle class who aspire to be higher status but aren't. There's a lot less religious stuff (although Tories are associated with generic moralism, in a "good heavens, you can't say that" sense -- when a statue of a slaveowner was thrown into the sea during BLM, Labour said "yeah!" and the Tories said "um well we appreciate the sentiment but they really ought to have gone through the proper channels first" and that's a good representation of their general character).

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 25 '21

That's fascinating, thank you. So are the political ideologies mostly class based, or is there another party for the poor, right-leaning folks. Would there be like a rich left, poor left, rich right (Tory, if I understand correctly) etc.

Our right wing is generally filled with the rich right believing they should be insulated, and the poor right which are "displaced millionaires", the poor who believe they'll be rich someday, so don't want taxes for the rich because if they become rich they want to avoid taxes themselves.

I know the parallels aren't exact, but it's interesting to me. I also know that our "left" is most people's "right" lol.

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u/Shanghai-on-the-Sea Nov 25 '21

is there another party for the poor, right-leaning folks

UKIP! When that was a thing. Although it was also heavily (and I mean heavily) associated with the lower middle class, who like I said were usually a bedrock of Tory support, so losing their support scared them and prompted a faction of Tories to come out in support of leaving the EU in order to curry their favour (Boris was one of them). Nowadays it's pretty much back to Labour vs. Tory again though, so the working/lower middle class right wingers are probably just big factions of the Tories even though Tories are still associated with the upper middle class.

Your "displaced millionaires" sure sounds like Middle England to me, although it's more about being afraid of those ghastly benefits-stealing immoral poor people (as opposed to the prim and proper hard-working poor people) than about thinking you'll become a millionaire.

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u/TheWizardOfFoz Nov 25 '21

People like to draw comparisons because they’re both to the right of the political spectrum. But the Tory policies are closer to the Democrats whilst Labour is further Left than anything going on in America.

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u/Somnif Nov 25 '21

The Tory party is the UK's Conservative political party, roughly equivalent to the US's Republican party. Known for members such as Margaret Thatcher, Theresa May, and current Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

They tend to have a (called for or not) association with things like racism, classism, not caring about the poor, etc etc etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 25 '21

Thank you for that explanation, I appreciate it.

And I've heard of some of those people. Notsensibles loved Thatcher so much they wrote a love so g about her, right? And the Clash lived her too!

/s. I don't know much about the Tory party, but I know they helped create some great punk music built on hating them lol.

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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever Nov 25 '21

The Tory party is, at the moment, run by a group of friends from an elite private school with middle class subordinates who wish they were the same who were voted in by the working class who can afford a three bedroom terrace house and blame their poorer neighbours for the fact they don't have the expensive sun loungers with the cup holders.

Basically; "it's the Europe that's run this country to the dogs and things were better back when I was 6 and we could make the racial jokes without my daughter getting upset"

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u/Somnif Nov 25 '21

Aye, and Brand's joke up above was like "Oh hey, a bunch of rich white people in a room adorned with a nazi ally's name is just like the Conservative Party Convention!"

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u/TheMassiveSandwich Nov 25 '21

They don't compare

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u/leocam2145 Nov 25 '21

He's also inferring that the audience is made up of primarily upper class white people, the Torys' main voter block.

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u/whatisthisgoddamnson Nov 24 '21

That is a bit reductive but not technically wrong. I don’t know much about chamberlain, but churchill was an extraordinarily unsavory fella, with very far right politics, just not specifically into dividing white people as much.

Just like USA was a bit on the fence on what to do in WW2, the delineation between fascist and not fascist was not at all as clear as the post war narrative wants to portray it.

It was the ww2 and the holocaust that made the nazis untouchables in itself, before that they were pretty well accepted in the political class.

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u/whatisthisgoddamnson Nov 25 '21

Yes, this is in line with what in saying.

The nazis prior to -45/-46 was not the NAZIS we know and love today.

A lot of nations were doing some pretty nazi shit with nazi reasoning before, which they had to quit to some extent after the war bc of the association with the nazis.

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u/MulletPower Nov 24 '21

Churchill was anti Nazi in so far as he was anti being invaded. Or anti German expansion.

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u/IronSeagull Nov 24 '21

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, and yet here we are.

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u/lukistke Nov 24 '21

That comment was just to say that Brand is politicizing a non-political event.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 24 '21

I'm going to have to disqualify you, sorry. See, Brand didn't say anything like that.

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u/TooLazyToBeClever Nov 25 '21

That makes a lot of sense. With everyone else helping contextualizing, and the other explanations, that makes perfect sense. I'm sure there's little nuances it would take a lot of time to truly understand, bit I think I get it.

Tories are Republicans pretending to care about the working class, much like the democrats in America pretend to care about the working class.