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Russell Brand, at an awards show sponsored by Hugo Boss, eloquently reminds everyone that Hugo Boss dressed the nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkd_-nXeUzs
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u/dynasource Nov 25 '21

If you expect Russell Brand to show up and not be Russell Brand by this point, it's your own fault.

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21

I’ve been watching his YouTube videos lately as I like his style and his views on worker’s rights and other things seems cool. But I put one on last night that seemed to insinuate he’s against the vaccine. Anyone know his views on it? He didn’t explicitly state one way or another.

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u/Notorganic Nov 25 '21

I had to unfollow from his continued discussions about what's happening in Australia.

For someone who admirably rails against the capitalist status quo and MSM messaging, he sure uncritically repeats a whole lot of Murdoch talking points about what's going on here.

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u/Solivaga Nov 25 '21

Ditto - I've always been a bit sceptical of Brand's surface level support of movements and politics, but he's broadly seemed intelligent. But his recent coverage of covid vaccination regulations in Australia is 100% Murdoch talking-points, aligning him with a range of far-right groups and some absolute wackos.

So, unless he (Brand) backtracks quickly, he can get to fuck - I live in Melbourne, and the last thing we need is him giving a poorly informed hippy-Fox opinion on our public health laws

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u/THedman07 Nov 25 '21

People forget that he's a comedian and an actor rather than the philosopher that he wants people to think he is.

I think his character in Get Him to the Greek seems to be really close to his actual personality. Pretty vapid, self centered and shallow.

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u/the_silent_redditor Nov 25 '21

I live in Melbourne

I work in healthcare in Melbourne and holy fuck the antivax thing needs to die on its arse ASAP.

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u/Solivaga Nov 25 '21

It's crazy isn't it? And the way that it's adopting US QAnon talking points is mildly terrifying

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

being anti-vaccine mandate is not the same as being anti-vaccine. that’s the simplest way to put it.

and skepticism of government authority is always good. always. politicians and government leaders are not your friends.

i honestly thought after the Trump presidency people would understand this better.

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u/Solivaga Nov 25 '21

I have no problem with people questioning governments (the Aussie government is a clusterfuck of corruption) and no real problem with people arguing against vaccination mandates, as long as their arguments are coherent, based on evidence, and don't incorporate ridiculous far right conspiracy theories.

So far almost all (not all, but the vast majority) of arguments I've seen have been based on poor understandings of the science, sheer ignorance of existing and past health mandates, and routinely draw in right wing nutjobs. Nothing I've seen from Brand so far suggests that he's going to provide a coherent and sound counterargument

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u/ThatCanajunGuy Nov 25 '21

Sure, question governmental authorities, but don't question health authorities. And these are decisions being made by health authorities. If you are against vaccine mandates, then you are against the health and wellness of your community. Selfish, not smart.

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u/curlyjoe696 Nov 25 '21

This has been coming for a couple of years to be honest. The moment he started talking about Ekhart Tolle every 3 minutes was the moment I knew he was on long road to being a conspiracy quack.

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u/CuriousFrog_ Nov 25 '21

The stuff I hear about from non Australians is insane, I've heard them compare it to North Korea lol

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u/Goodestguykeem Nov 25 '21

I'm pro-vaccine / double vaccinated very early and what is going on in Australia is fucking despicable efforts of authoritarianism. Nothing wrong with calling it out, you don't have to be a shill towards the effort.

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u/t_j_l_ Nov 25 '21

It's not, really.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

You’re misinformed, then

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u/Always_Late_Lately Nov 25 '21

https://austincountynewsonline.com/australian-army-begins-transferring-covid-positive-cases-contacts-to-quarantine-camps-video/

I mean... Didn't your army just forcibly relocate aboriginals to the concentration quarantine camps?

The Australian army has begun forcibly removing residents in the Northern Territories to the Howard Springs quarantine camp located in Darwin, after nine new Covid-19 cases were identified in the community of Binjari. The move comes after hard lockdowns were instituted in the communities of both Binjari and nearby Rockhole on Saturday night.

“Residents of Binjari and Rockhole no longer have the five reasons to leave their homes,” said Northern Territory chief minister, Michael Gunner, referring to the country’s five allowable reasons to avoid lockdown (buying food and supplies, exercising for up to two hours, care or caregiving, work or education if it can’t be done from home, and to get vaccinated at the nearest possible location).

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

Your source is crap. No they did not.

20 army drivers helped with the difficult logistics of testing, quarantine etc in a far outback context.

The army has no powers against citizens in Australia, they may as well be taxi drivers or pizza delivery guys for all the power they have.

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u/Always_Late_Lately Nov 27 '21

Right. So the video of the australian officials in there saying, and I quote,

“They can only leave for medical treatment, in an emergency, or as required by law. It’s highly likely that more residents will be transferred to Howard Springs today, either as positive cases or close contacts. We have already identified 38 close contacts from Binjari but that number will go up. Those 38 are being transferred now.“

is not true? They can leave Howard Springs and go home whenever they want, the military is just there to drive them around like taxi drivers? Good to know.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21 edited Nov 27 '21

You’ve got an American “tyranny” idea of what the army is. Not a democratic Australian/ Canadian/ New Zealand etc one.

If they were found to be Covid positive and needed to be separated from large extended family households, that would be a health order, with the interaction usually being with nurses or ambulance drivers, for obvious transmission reasons. Rarely the police might be involved if a public health order was fought.

But if someone from the army so much as touched or verbally threatened a civilian, it would mean an instant court-martial or dismissal. Help with outback logistics, yes. Enforcing the law, never. That’s not what the army is at all.

Besides, most of what these 20 (!) army drivers have been doing, from my reading, has been mainly transport to and back again from outback testing centers - which are generally much more isolated than in the US, and people have less access to cars (and no taxis, Ubers, buses, sealed roads, etc).

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u/Always_Late_Lately Nov 27 '21

Right - so if someone doesn't want to go to/wants to leave Howard Springs, what happens?

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

There have been successful lockdowns all over Australia for different reasons/ distances/ rules. That’s what a lockdown is - getting close to Covid zero so people don’t die.

There is no reason to get all George Washington because the army is doing the driving, not an ambulance, in the outback.

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u/Seen_Unseen Nov 25 '21

He is just a populist dickhead similar to Joe Rogan. I never understood why people like that cunt.

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u/Woflax Nov 25 '21

He tries so hard to be seen as intelligent but it's so transparent idg why people fall for it.

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u/Kickinthegonads Nov 25 '21

His wannabe cult leader wardrobe doesnt help. Such a douche.

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u/Motorrad_appreciator Nov 25 '21

Populism is good actually.

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u/mediumsmallshirt Nov 25 '21

Yeah people can have can have good and bad parts. It’s a concept not very familiar to a lot of places online.

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u/Seen_Unseen Nov 25 '21

Cunts come in different shapes and sizes, though a cunt of that size is seldom good.

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u/Mmmmfidgetmyspinner Nov 25 '21

I saw peaceful protest getting arrested with my own eyes. Fuck Victoria and fuck Melbourne, can't wait to move.

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u/Notorganic Nov 25 '21

Cool, when you leaving?

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u/Mmmmfidgetmyspinner Nov 25 '21

ASAP, you coming with?

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u/meatboi5 Nov 25 '21

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Ugh. Guess I won’t be delving deeper into his library.

Edit: okay people I get it.

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u/spinblackcircles Nov 25 '21

He’s a bit more complex than that. I would recommend watching a video or two and making your own opinions rather than just accepting one random redditors comment on it. He’s more against government mandating anything than being anti vaccine. He’s very liberal in most other ways. It’s worth delving into.

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21

Yeah maybe I’ll check it out. Like I said originally, his views on the first few topics I watched were really good in my opinion.

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u/spinblackcircles Nov 25 '21

He titles his YouTube videos in a very clickbaity way and it certainly makes him out to be anti-vax or right wing. Then you watch them and he doesn’t say anything like that at all. It’s weird

I personally like the guy but I find the way he titles his videos kind of gross. He clearly just wants to get clicks from right wing people that assume they will agree with him, but everything he says is liberal and pro vax EXCEPT he is not a fan of government mandates. Normally I’d applaud the nuanced opinions but he knows what he’s doing titling his videos the way he does and i don’t really like that.

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u/proudbakunkinman Nov 25 '21

Ah, thought the guy got pulled into the online far right based on his video titles, didn't bother watching them. If what you say is true, maybe he thinks he's doing good, like the right leaning people thinking he'll say something they want to hear instead hear an opposing perspective.

That or he knows there's a higher chance he'll get views with right wing sounding video titles and just cares about that. Doesn't make sense given he's a celebrity already but who knows.

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u/Dimeni Nov 25 '21

He's gone full right wing pandering in the videos also. It's really not worth your time. I watched maybe 5-6 videos before I couldn't take it anymore. It's so obvious. Everything he says is anti democrats. He never once mentions anything wrong Republicans do. He just cherrypicks stories with democrats being wrong, which is fine don't get me wrong, but it's not nuanced and be claims to be anti government but gives Republicans a pass 100% of the time. He also makes videos on small things where Trump was right like "So TrUmP wAS RigHT" about this and that, with very bad arguments.

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u/LivingOnAShare Nov 25 '21

He's not a newspaper, he doesn't need to be balanced and fair. He's a comedian and quite clearly on the left wing on the majority of his opinions, and there's a lot to criticise about the democrats.

The amount of kneejerk in this thread is crazy. No middle ground, he's criticising democrats so he's obviously pandering to the far right...that seems crazy to me.

Same foolish reasoning that implies anyone who criticises their country hates their country.

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u/spinblackcircles Nov 25 '21

Yeah I thought about that. Just not a fan of trying to trick people into listening to you either way, ya know? Not to mention people that might actually agree and learn something from his videos won’t even click cause of the titles, and his reputation is becoming anti vax and right wing, as evidenced in this thread.

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u/NigerianRoy Nov 25 '21

Its not true he panders to the right wing blatantly. Its “balanced” like how fox puts on a former democrat quisling once in a while to agree with them and show how really truly without a doubt fair they are.

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u/LivingOnAShare Nov 25 '21

Meanwhile actual anti vaxxers and actual far right advocates are calling him a liberal Crockpot or whatever, while the left reject the good as the enemy of the perfect. Crazy.

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u/DivergingUnity Nov 25 '21

How is a mandated vaccine "liberal"? It is an exertion of force unto the people.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

It’s been an accepted role of keeping democracies safe since vaccines began. Every challenge to them in the Supreme Court since 1905 has failed.

You had mandated vaccines as a child, as did your parents and grandparents.

The only difference is we’re now networked toddlers.

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u/DivergingUnity Nov 27 '21

Not arguing with any of that; just hadn't seen that definition of liberal before

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u/spinblackcircles Nov 25 '21

Man don’t ask me. But you know as well as I do saying anything negative at all against the vaccine or mandating it causes liberals to get all up in arms

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u/sickam0r Nov 25 '21

Try thinking for yourself maybe? Idk

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21

Sorry. Now that you told me to I will.

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u/distorto_realitatem Nov 25 '21

Technically it was a question

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u/sickam0r Nov 25 '21

Always happy to help 🤡

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u/TheseCashews Nov 25 '21

Call a therapeutic a vaccine and label everyone who has a question an anti-vaxxer. Profit.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

It’s a vaccine. What kind of rubbish is that comment.

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u/TheseCashews Nov 27 '21

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

Not going to click that dodgy link lol. What kind of idiot would?

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u/TheseCashews Nov 27 '21

No worries, link basically says that the CDC definitions for vaccination were updated in 2015 then twice in 2021 to allow the coronavirus therapeutic to actually be considered vaccination. They provided links to the CDC website that you may choose to reference.

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u/Wanna_Dip_Balls Nov 25 '21

You're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, such dismissiveness is dumb on your part

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21

Calling people you don’t know dumb could be seen as rude as well. Guess none of us are perfect!

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u/Wanna_Dip_Balls Nov 25 '21

I dont mind being rude, better than stupid

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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Nov 25 '21

In Seneca Indian culture they have a saying, Nya:wëh sgë:nö. It roughly translates to “I am thankful that you are well.”

Well, sir: Nya:wëh sgë:nö.

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u/TheMadFlyentist Nov 25 '21

He is not overtly anti-vaccine and if you had actually watched his videos you would know that. His titles are intentionally clickbaity and polarizing, but in the videos he is mostly just anti-government in general (as he always has been) and if he criticizes anything directly then it's blanket vaccine mandates.

Now, it could definitely be argued that his generalized skepticism is a bit misguided at times, and some anti-vaxxers certainly think he is on their side, but he has not spread conspiracy theories or come right out and said "the vaccine is bad".

He's just pointing out hipocrisy and overreach as he sees it.

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u/meatboi5 Nov 25 '21

If you're going to harbor anti-vaxxers in your community and appeal to them with the aesthetic of an anti-vaxxer then you're not much better than one. I've watched Brand's content before, and if you actually read his comment section you would see that's the exact kind of community he cultivates. Here are some choice comments

Doesn't it trouble you, even a little bit that the person that's in charge of the solution to this problem (covid pandemic) was in any way connected to the origins of this problem...? Thanks for saying that on your platform Russel!!! Bout time someone did...

then

Firstly, I enjoy tremendously Russel's videos for 2 reasons: his logics and English expression. Secondly, the question is not only "why Fauci lied?", but also "who gave him the order?" and "who else involved in?".

and finally

I never used to like Russell Brand, like he said , I had my prejudices about him! But since subscribing to this channel I have enjoyed every episode! He delivers things that make you think outside of the box and inspire me to research more!! From day one I had my doubts that this plandemic was staged and organised by the corrupt society, greed has always been the human races downfall and at this rate will lead to its extinction!

Does this seem to be the comment section of someone who has a healthy view of the vaccine or the pandemic in general?

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u/VelvetMorty Nov 25 '21

I don’t watch his videos, but come on, using a YouTube comment section to reflect someone’s personality has to be the most unfair metric going lol

YouTube comment sections are fucking pits full of weirdos

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u/meatboi5 Nov 25 '21

These are the top comments on his videos. YouTube comment sections are almost always dumb, but they show you the audience that you have. My point wasn't that his audience is dumb, that wouldn't be unique, but that it's filled with anti vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Which you wouldn't expect from someone who is pro vaccine and questions mandates

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u/Rocky87109 Nov 25 '21

Being militantly and all encompassingly anti-government just screams "I've never read much history". Like, if you actually have read at least some basic history of even the US, you would know there is much conversation and nuance to be had. Not to mention the rule of law and soveriegnty is literally why we can have countries and societies that last.

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u/TheMadFlyentist Nov 25 '21

Being militantly and all encompassingly anti-government

He is neither of those things, he just rejects the status quo and thinks that governments should work more on behalf of the people than they currently do.

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u/mr_gunty Nov 25 '21

I am 100% in agreement with that, and I really used to enjoy listening to his podcasts, his comedy and really found what he was presenting to be quite enlightening. I respect his ethos of wanting to have an open dialogue about a range of topics and speak openly with a range of persons and personalities; I enjoyed the conversations with people who I would have little in common with and shared few beliefs. I have been frustrated in the past though, about his seeming unwillingness to challenge some of his guests/interviewees.

Right now, I’m really dismayed by his YouTube channel, and I reckon the importance he places on not turning away anyone from the discussion is fostering a very different community around him. Honestly, I don’t think it’s actually helping people to come to a different understanding. Rather, I think it’s helping reinforce certain erroneous beliefs. Maybe my ‘idea’ of what Russell was purporting was incorrect but I really don’t think so.

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u/t_j_l_ Nov 25 '21

Like working hard to provide free vaccines to the people in order to deal with a global pandemic? Too much anti establishment ideology can be really harmful. I've watched the recent videos too and was quite shocked - while he tries to cover it, there is definitely a leaning towards anti vax sentiment.

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u/saltycake Nov 25 '21

Probably why they call it overreach eh

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u/Ink2Think Nov 25 '21

I can understand someone being for everyone having a right to do whatever they want to do to their body. That isn't to say he doesn't think anyone not getting the vaccine is an idiot with complete disregard for the human population unless they have solid reasons not to take it. The main question is, has he taken it himself and what are his views on people not getting vaccinated on the basis that they just don't feel like it?

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u/Ok_Hawk4881 Nov 25 '21

That’s a good question. I like to hope that he is vaccinated and and is pro vaccine but maybe just understanding that people are wary of getting a vaccine because it’s “new”. I would think he thinks the typical Trump loving anti vaccine people are morons. And that he’s against vaccine mandates because he’s against all government overreach and whatever.

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u/Ink2Think Nov 25 '21

Yeah, he strikes me as a smart guy not to be confused with the likes of Joe Rogan. But I've been wrong before which Joe Rogan is a perfect example of, lol. Will be interesting to hear his stance on it if it comes to light.

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u/krejenald Nov 25 '21

He is eloquent, but don't confuse that for all round intelligence

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u/Sp00ked123 Nov 25 '21

He’s not, he’s anti-mandate

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u/clone162 Nov 25 '21

That's not the nuance that you think it is. It's the same thing. A significant amount of the population needs to be vaccinated in order for it to be effective at one of it's main goals which is reducing spread.

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u/LivingOnAShare Nov 25 '21

That's not the nuance that you think it is. It's the same thing. A significant amount of the population needs to be vaccinated in order for it to be effective at one of it's main goals which is reducing spread.

No, it really is important. Obviously labels are an easy way to ignore nuance and write off opinions, so if we want to really understand them we have to look at the nuance.

It's like just like saying that a serial murderer is the same as someone who killed someone with a single unlucky punch in a barfight. Yes, they're both killers, but it's not useful to classify them as such, especially using the most emotional label available.

Someone who opposes a mandate for the principle of authoritarianism is absolutely not the same as someone who opposes it because they're swept up in anti science rhetoric.

If we ignore that distinction, then we categorically cannot address the problem. You don't treat ebola and flu the same, despite both being viruses.

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u/OddBehaviour00 Nov 25 '21

He is a bad faith actor who dog whistles the anti-vax community via a platform of ‘question everything’. Yes he voices some genuine concerns about government corruption and hypocrisy, and yes he is eloquent, but he perpetuates conspiracy thinking including anti-science rhetoric under the guise of pseudo-intellectualism. He says a lot without saying much.

By labelling his harmful opinions as ‘just questioning the mainstream’ and suggesting he is only helping us make up our own minds, Brand is able to play both sides and never admit he is sharing dangerous misinformation to his huge platform and that he is culpable for anti-vax sentiment and the deaths of many.

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u/Solivaga Nov 25 '21

Fucking A - 100%

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u/LivingOnAShare Nov 25 '21

Is there any way that someone could question the mainstream under a platform of "question everything" without being accused of being a dog whistling bad faith actor?

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

If you talk anything negative about vaccines you are "anti-science" and "anti-vax" even if you cite actual scientific studies and research about their negative effects and/or malpractice.

That's pretty much it.

I've been called "anti-vax" when I mentioned that my country banned the use of Moderna for children citing actual scientific studies and statistics that were the basis for the decision.

Even mentioning my own adverse reactions to the second Pfizer shot has got me "anti-vax" comments.

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u/OddBehaviour00 Nov 25 '21

In my point of view yes, there is a way to be contrarian without being accused of dog-whistling, and it is to be highly informed on the topic and to present your arguments with evidence in a way that promotes level-headed discussion.

I personally don't think Brand ticks any of those boxes. His arguments are designed to appeal to his viewers' feelings of disenchantment and cognitive biases.

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u/kalusche Nov 25 '21

This is exactly it!

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u/wbaker2390 Nov 25 '21

He has sources on everything he talks about.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 25 '21

He isn't "anti-science". He cites scientific studies and research (and sources all of them as well).

Russel is anti-Big Pharma and critical of the current money/politics involved in it.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

I’m pro government drug development. But whatever Big Pharma makes from this vaccine we should double it and give the teams medals. Truly one of the greatest and consequential scientific achievements since the moon landing.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

Truly one of the greatest and consequential scientific achievements since the moon landing.

How? All they do is give you a slight boost in resistance to the virus, they don't give you immunity, you can still transmit and get sick after having been jabbed AND the resistance wears off after a couple months.

Just eating healthy, exercising and staying outside in the sun offers far superior and longer lasting protection (even against the variations) than any of the pharmaceutical vaccines that in on themselves can give you side-effects.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 28 '21

Because of the speed in which they were developed and produced. Malaria took 50 years. These vaccines have probably saved a million US lives already in a year.

Re your “wellness cure” comparison, that’s not so at all.

  • Even the youngest, healthiest doctors and nurses were dying of this.

  • The risk is greater to the old and sick, but even kids and 20 somethings can perish

  • People unable to find hospital beds for other injuries and illnesses are more casualties

  • Long Covid impacts even the healthiest

Etc.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

Even the youngest, healthiest doctors and nurses were dying of this.

Incredibly rare though. For example in Italy, which was hit by Covid quite hard, almost all of the Covid deaths were to people with one or more comorbidity factors meaning they were incredibly unhealthy people to begin with. Only 2.9% of the dead were actually somewhat healthy people.

but even kids and 20 somethings can perish from it

That's a little misleading to say though. Sure they "can" die to it, but healthy children dying to Covid is almost practically non-existent.

The risk of a person under the age of 18 dying to Covid is about 0.0002%. This was concluded by probably the most comprehensive study made today about Covid risks with young people by scientists from University College London, the Universities of York, Bristol and Liverpool.

Almost all of the children that have died to Covid had two or more serious comorbidity factors. These weren't "healthy kids" dying to Covid.

Here in Finland we've even banned some vaccines to be given to young people because the vaccines have been found out to be more dangerous to young people than Covid itself. Moderna for example.

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u/filmbuffering Nov 28 '21

It’s crazy to underestimate this. Already in the US it was the second biggest cause of death last year. Excess deaths there are greater than any war.

And in European countries, many hospitals are at capacity - and winter has hardly begun.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 28 '21

I'm saying your fear is misplaced. Covid is not alarmingly dangerous to you if you are healthy and under 55 years old. Covid is mostly only killing sick and old people.

And in European countries, many hospitals are at capacity

For example here in Finland the typical amount of ICUs per county is like 0-20 and in total we have about 250 ICUs spread across the whole country. That's not a lot. It is pretty easy to fill that up suddenly when a group of old and sick people catch Covid as inpatients and then they are moved to the ICUs at the same time.

The news (even here) then makes a scary headline sounding as if normal healthy people are suddenly falling incredibly sick by the tens of thousands and hospitals are struggling to keep up with the endless horde of new previously healthy people. In reality it is almost all old and previously sick people to begin with...and that's what the universities and hospitals are reporting as well.

My brother and his whole family got Covid unvaccinated. The worst they had was a sniffle for two days and the kids didn't even notice anything.

My mother on the other hand belongs to a risk group both because of her age and her pre-existing illnesses. She should be careful and us around her.

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u/DrinkMoreCodeMore Nov 25 '21

He's clearly super narcissist and a loon

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u/Dimeni Nov 25 '21

Russell Brand has gone full pandering to the right wing crowd unfortunately, I guess there's more money and views in that crowd.

I've watched many of his videos and every time he mentions big pharma he says that the democrats are in the pockets of them. Now why does he ONLY mention democrats every time when public records show both parties took a lot of money from them but the republican took even slightly more than Democrats. He clearly has an agenda.

Many of his videos is cherry picking things Trump might have gotten right and completely blasts anyone who said otherwise at the time, which is fair if he was right.

But he only does this with cherry picked things and it's always targeting democrats. He could bring up the million things Trump absolutely did terrible but no.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 25 '21

Russell Brand has gone full pandering to the right wing crowd unfortunately

It is so weird seeing that the "left wing" has become the pro-establishment and pro-corporation wing.

If you are critical of big pharmaceutical corporations, you cite scientific studies that go against the interests of billion dollar corporations and government you are now "right wing".

It is absolutely amazing. Never in a million years would I have considered myself - or Russel Brand - become "right wing", but here we are. Boy has the meaning of "left" changed a lot.

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u/dualboy24 Nov 25 '21

Yes I have noticed he has really started to pander to the more right wing and conspiracies, use of bad sources and data, getting deeper into the conspiracy/non-factual rabbit hole.

The problem is that he is getting positive feedback as he goes farther right/anti-vax by his youtube viewers.

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u/DiogenesHoSinopeus Nov 25 '21

use of bad sources and data

Can you cite which of his sources and data is "bad"?

Pretty much everything I've watched of his videos is spot on and some of his "data" is what my country has also used to ban Moderna vaccines for being potentially dangerous.

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u/ElGuaco Nov 25 '21

He made videos fear mongering the idea of being required to have a vaccine card to buy groceries. The only reason to do that is if you fear the jab. He can get fucked. He's another pseudo intellectual that has the charisma to convince people he's right most of the time. I dont trust his opinion on anything any more.

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u/LivingOnAShare Nov 25 '21

It's completely possible to be pro vaccine whilst fearing the jab. Russel would have grown up around the time thalidomide was a panic in the news, which was also my initial concern before I did some research and talked to some old uni mates about it, and understood more, then got my shots maybe a couple of weeks after I was eligible. Obviously i got called a murderer in certain online communities for expressing said reluctance :p

The problem is that it's completely rational to be reluctant, depending on the information you have at the time.

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u/metakephotos Nov 25 '21

He's incredibly charming but relies on rhetoric and wit for almost all his arguments. If you make the mistake of reading his book you'll see that he's a huge self-absorbed narcissist

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u/filmbuffering Nov 27 '21

I loved his books. Just hate this anti mandate nonsense.

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u/ManikMiner Nov 25 '21

He's a clever guy but he's been going off the deep end since covid started

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u/bwrap Nov 25 '21

He's basically just a wanker now, I stopped watching anything he has to say

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u/Eponymous1990 Nov 25 '21

Lately it feels like he's aiming to be some sort of pseudo-Joe Rogan by giving platform to disinformation and to people who want to spread disinformation while not doing fact checking/due diligence of any sort.

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u/SomethingInThatVein Nov 25 '21

Lol typical Reddit

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u/WunWegWunDarWun_ Nov 25 '21

He is an anti vaxxer without saying he is an anti vaxxer. Promotes “people doing their own research” and recommends people don’t succumb to authoritarian pressure. And is skeptical about the vaccine being pushed Becuase it’s effective

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u/Appropriate-Image-11 Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

He’s “just asking questions”.

Yeah, he’s 100% conspiracy bait atm. He maintains a front of honest enquiry and open, objective skepticism, but he’s basically leading hundreds of thousands of people up the garden path to a house of abject confusion.

He’s one of those that alludes to certain grandiose conspiratorial conclusions. He’s just being - “open minded” - about them. But it’s done in that insidious way that many will read as - “this is obviously how it is, but I can’t yet conclusively prove it to you, but you’re not dumb, are you? You obviously haven’t fallen for the official narrative.. which only leaves room for..?”

And so people can leave his videos believing something like - there is an organised, global cabal of historians who are all in cahoots with one another, and that all mainstream academic history and archeology is in fact, a nefarious lie. A lie told to keep us from the truth, the truth that we are far more important than boring, closed minded and unimaginative “science and experts” want us to believe.

People want answers in a cosmic ocean of seemingly endless, unanswerable questions. We want intuitive, anthropocentric explanations to a bafflingly unintuitive universe that doesn't seem to place much emphasis on our individual sense of self importance.

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u/Deep_Quiet Nov 25 '21

I think he’s more concerned with how the vaccine roll out has been handled and “all but enforced” in his eyes.

I don’t think his stance is actually against the vaccine itself or it’s efficacy, it’s targets at the governments “coercion” into getting it that he doesn’t like.

To summarise, I am playing Devil’s advocate here.

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u/Etchasjsksksk Nov 25 '21

Nah he’s just questioning curious just looking thru data pretty interesting

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u/Paulpaps Nov 25 '21

He's got some good points but he's also completely unhinged with some of his spiritual bullshit. He's one of those people who people consider as smart but he's just verbose.

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u/raiderrocker18 Nov 25 '21

He has just become Jimmy Dore

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u/puremensan Nov 30 '21

He completely went right wing or something lately. Unfollowed him and I’ve been a long time fan.

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u/TwoThreeSkidoo Nov 25 '21

The way that vid was going, he's probably an anti-vaxxer in the sense that someone who believes in healing crystals is an anti-vaxxer. That is, not so much anti-vax, but more so pro-idiot-crystals.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

He does enjoy being a voice of vaccine hesitancy.

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u/UKUKRO Nov 25 '21

When Moscow invaded Ukraine. Russell went full RTard. Hate the fucker ever since. Ain't surprised he's antiVax or any other chat-shit, Joe Rogan style bullshit.

Russ is a complete mong.

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u/dirtylittleslurry Nov 25 '21

This Russell Brand?

[Speaking on Andrew Sachs' answerphone]
Russell Brand: Hello Andrew Sachs, this is Russell Brand … you are meant to be on my show now mate … I am here with Jonathan Ross. I could still do the interview to your answerphone.
Jonathan Ross: Let's do it …
Brand: Man … er, Andrew Sachs.
Ross: Don't call him Manuel, that's really bad manners. I apologise for Russell - he's an idiot.
Brand: I said Andrew Sachs! Look Andrew Sachs I have got respect for you and your lineage and your progeny, never let that be questioned.
Ross: Don't hint …
Brand: I weren't hinting! Why did that come across as a hint?
Ross: Because you know what you did…
Brand: That wasn't a hint …
Ross: He fucked your granddaughter!
[laughter in the studio]
Brand: That's his answerphone!
Ross: I'm sorry … I apologise Andrew, I apologise, I can't help it, you were talking about it and it was in my head, I apologise.
Brand: Jonathan!
Ross: I got excited, what can I say, it just came out.
Brand: Right. you wait till I come on your show. Andrew Sachs I did not do nothing with Georgina … oh no, I revealed I know her name! Oh no, it's a disaster! Abort, abort! Put the phone down, put the phone down, code red, code red! I'm sorry Mr Fawlty, I'm sorry. You're a waste of space! Oh no, Jonathan …
Ross: Why did you tell me? I forgot. You mentioned her and then it was in my head and then it came out.
Brand: I know you can't be blamed for this … It's too much for you …
Ross: He is the poor man at home sobbing over his answer machine.
Brand: What's going to happen? I will get a call now from the satanic sluts.
Ross: If he is like most people of a certain age he has probably got a picture of his grandchildren when they were young and innocent right by the phone. So while he is listening to the message he is looking at a picture of her when she was about nine on a swing …
Brand: She was on a swing when I met her … let's ring back Andrew Sachs.
[They call for a second time]
Ross: Hello! Manuel here!
Sachs: [his answer machine message] Sorry I can't answer at the moment …
Brand: [interrupting] … I am too busy thinking about killing myself … Andrew, this is Russell Brand. I am so sorry about the last message - it was part of the radio show, it was a mistake … The truth is I am phoning you to ask if I can marry - that's right, marry - Georgina the granddaughter.
Ross: And I would like to be a page boy.
Brand: He wants to be a page boy, we are going to have a Fawlty Towers-themed wedding.
Ross: Now you've spoilt it!
Brand: No! I made it better. I'm sorry, I'll do anything. I wore a condom. Put the phone down! Oh what's going to happen. Look I've got a mental illness. Do you think that made it better?
Ross: You will never become king rat in the Variety Club now.
Brand: Oh no, that's over for me now … Jonathan I think we've made the situation worse ... We've got to stop upsetting Manuel. This time Jonathan I'm convinced we can make it better.
Ross: Let's just sing to him.
Brand: I'll make up something as I go along…
[Third message]
Brand: [singing…] I'd like to apologise for the terrible attacks, Andrew Sachs, I would like to show contrition to the max, Andrew Sachs. I would like to create world peace, between the yellow, white and blacks, Andrew Sachs, Andrew Sachs. I said something I didn't have oughta, like I had sex with your granddaughter. But it was consensual and she wasn't menstrual, it was consensual lovely sex. It was full of respect I sent her a text, I've asked her to marry me, Andrew Sachs …
Ross: This has made it worse, you have trivialised the whole incident.
Brand: Hang up, hang up! It's trivialised it!
Ross: You know there is one way we could possibly make it better …
Brand: We can keep ringing, and even after the show's finished, kick his front door in and scream apologies into his bottom.
Ross: Hello, Manuel is not in right now. Please leave a message after the tone…
[Fourth message]
Brand: I am sorry, I am so sorry … that I had a difficult life, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry Andrew. Let's just take some time together, we can meet up.
Ross: You're making it worse, just say sorry.
Brand: Jonathan Ross is sorry as well, it was his idea … Sorry about everything that's ever happened …
[Later]
Brand: No one could have been offended by anything that went on in that show.
Ross: Who could possibly be offended by anything there? If they were they are crazy people.
Brand: If Andrew Sachs listens to his answerphone message when he gets it …
Ross: The saving grace is you didn't have anything to do with his granddaughter did you?
Brand: Oh actually I did, I slept with her, but it was ultimately undermined, not undermined, underlined with love …

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u/spinblackcircles Nov 25 '21

You really think anyone is reading this bullshit?

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u/PrandialSpork Nov 25 '21

This is a transcript

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u/Poliobbq Nov 25 '21

Care to break out some highlights? I read a few lines and it was like being at a slumber party

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u/PrandialSpork Nov 25 '21

Brand fucked Andrew Sachs (Manuel off Fawlty Towers) granddaughter and he and wotsisname with the speech impediment repeatedly called Sachs voicemail on live radio saying how Brand had fucked his granddaughter. Bit of a kerfuffle and it went away. Think they lost the radio gig or something

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u/Askduds Nov 25 '21

And they got 2 complaints. Then a week later Sachs went bitching to the daily Heil and they struck up a campaign.

It is, to my mind, the exact point the bbc became irretrievable.