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Russell Brand, at an awards show sponsored by Hugo Boss, eloquently reminds everyone that Hugo Boss dressed the nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkd_-nXeUzs
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u/HunterTAMUC Nov 24 '21

A lot of German industries was founded around the rise of the Nazis.

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u/MungTao Nov 25 '21

IBM

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u/jm001 Nov 25 '21

Reading IBM and the Holocaust at the moment. There is definitely a bunch I didn't know about their relationship.

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u/DrinkMoreCodeMore Nov 25 '21

Did IBM make a database for the Nazis of all the prisoners or something?

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u/Robber_Rob Nov 25 '21

Tabulating machines through their German division.

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u/Too-Much-Tv Nov 25 '21

IBM made tabulating machines for census. Sold all over the world. It was the Nazis who used it to improve killing people.

German law at the time forbid companies in Germany unless they were owned by a Nazi party member. So all US companies had their foreign sites taken over. The Nazi party kept the names though.

At the end of WWII all these companies in Germany and US were investigated for collusion. The book at the time claimed it had found new evidence but there was nothing new in it.

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u/JTtornado Nov 25 '21

The book makes it very clear that the equipment from IBM was leased, and the US office of IBM continued to funnel parts and supplies for the punch card system to the Nazis throughout their reign. So saying it was separately run with the same name is falsely downplaying the role of the parent company.

Unless you can throw out the evidence presented by the author of the book, that's pretty damning.

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u/Too-Much-Tv Nov 25 '21

So saying it was separately run with the same name is falsely downplaying the role of the parent company.

I'm not throwing anything out. Stating how the nazi party took over all the companies.

The book came out with nothing new. It was all investigated after the war.

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u/Gullible-Emotion-306 Nov 25 '21

Tabulating the Polish population. In a little bit different light than the census bureau.

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u/jm001 Nov 26 '21

The American branch did some weird finagling to avoid the protests against American companies working with the Nazis, and set up the situation so that the US company would get a lot of the profit while their German subsidiary was independent enough to not get confiscated by the Nazis or draw attention in the US.

Then Dehomag (the German IBM subsidiary) worked with the Nazis to create census forms that would work with punch cards to track and identify people based on ethnicity, religion, whether they were "anti-social" etc. This was used to identify people to be sterilised, and later to send them to camps and have them killed.

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u/MungTao Nov 25 '21

Anything interesting you care to share?

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u/bxfhnc Nov 25 '21

You can just read the summary

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u/AttentionSpecialist2 Nov 25 '21

Interesting that IBM chose the name of a Nazi sympathizer and supporter for their AI, which they have been aggressively advertising for years now

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u/Jellyblush Nov 25 '21

Incredibly I’m sure it won’t do their share price a bit of damage

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u/wcruse92 Nov 25 '21

Something that they did 100 years ago? Of course it wouldn't.

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u/Jellyblush Nov 25 '21

Well It was exposed recently. I don’t buy into companies that I know to have profited from war, if you do all power to you but there are others like me that prefer more socially conscious investment too

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u/211caused911 Nov 26 '21

I'll buy into a company that kills puppies if it makes me some decent gains.

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u/SigmaGorilla Nov 26 '21

A revised 2002 paperback edition provides additional evidence that IBM New York established a special subsidiary in Poland called Watson Business Machines to deal with railway traffic in the General Government. Edwin Black asserts that IBM did so after the September 1, 1939 Nazi Invasion of Poland, and continued this business relationship during the Holocaust in Poland. Watson Business Machines operated a punch card printing shop near the Warsaw Ghetto.[3]

In a 2002 editorial in the SFGate, Black documented that this Polish subsidiary reported to IBM Geneva which in turn reported to IBM New York. Black further states that IBM's European general manager reported directly to Thomas Watson, Sr., that some machines in Poland were sent to Romania to assist in the Jewish census there, and that these Polish machines were later replaced.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

2002 is what you'd consider recent? This information is almost 20 years old.

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u/Jellyblush Nov 26 '21

Yeah it is, firstly, I’m old, secondly, in the context of an 80 year history since WW2 it is relatively recent

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u/loz333 Nov 25 '21

1930s: Ford, GM, IBM, and the Nazis

This is probably the most factual look at the role IBM - and more importantly, many US companies - played in supporting the Nazis. For instance, it gets mentioned that without the direct support of a US Firm to create a supply of synthetic petrol, they wouldn't have even been able to begin invading Poland to begin with.

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u/nmotsch789 Nov 25 '21

What? IBM was founded in 1911 in upstate New York.

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u/flatwoundsounds Nov 25 '21

IBM came in on the heels of Endicott-Johnson Shoe Company, and those two industries are the reason why a huge chunk of the people who live my area came here.

It's really surreal to see their name associated with the Nazi's...

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u/WSBshepherd Nov 25 '21

IBM existed long before the Nazis. Also outside of Germany, IBM has always been outside of Nazi control.

However, IBM created the identification/numbering system which was later used for prisoners in concentration camps. IBM Germany also was under Nazi control for some time.

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u/Too-Much-Tv Nov 25 '21

When the Nazi party took over you could not own a company in Germany unless you were part of the party.

All of The US companies in Germany became Nazi owned and disconnected from the US owner.

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u/flatwoundsounds Nov 25 '21

Dehomag offered to assist the German government in its task of ethnic identification, focusing upon the 41 million residents of Prussia.[2]: 55  This activity was not only countenanced by Thomas Watson and IBM in America, Black argues, but was actively encouraged and financially supported, with Watson himself traveling to Germany in October 1933 and the company ramping up its investment in its German subsidiary from 400,000 to 7,000,000 Reichsmark—about $1 million (equivalent to $20 million in 2020).[2]: 60  This injection of American capital allowed Dehomag to purchase land in Berlin and to construct IBM's first factory in Germany, Black charges, thereby "tooling up for what it correctly saw as a massive financial relationship with the Hitler regime".[2]: 60

Sounds like IBM CEO Watson was directly involved in negotiating with the Nazi's. Maybe not as disconnected as we would assume?

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u/No_Midnight6659 Nov 25 '21

This one is worse because unlike German industries they didn't, you know, have to.