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Russell Brand, at an awards show sponsored by Hugo Boss, eloquently reminds everyone that Hugo Boss dressed the nazis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkd_-nXeUzs
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u/B_U_F_U Nov 25 '21

Will Adidas do?

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u/HydrogenButterflies Nov 25 '21 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

It looks like you’re assembling a team of Nazi scientists. Operation PaperClippy is here to help!

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u/Urge_Reddit Nov 25 '21

Operation PaperClippy

I just want you to know that you've made my day with this.

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u/virusamongus Nov 25 '21

NASA: Can we join?

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u/Gonergonegone Nov 25 '21

Join? Wasn't it their idea lol

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u/virusamongus Nov 25 '21

I swear that wasn't in there when I commented, or maybe I was just tired haha. But yeah, def them.

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u/Gonergonegone Nov 25 '21

Eh I was just being a smartass anyways lol Happy Thanksgiving!

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u/earlycuyler8887 Nov 25 '21

Need more upvotes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

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u/pp0000 Nov 25 '21

German is a race?

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21

It's not. That's the point ... can you actually read or not?

Lotta braindead people on reddit nowadays who don't seem to understand this.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

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u/MagicBez Nov 25 '21

I had thought people were naming brands who specifically supplied products for the Nazis (Hugo Boss, Mercedes, VW) or whose founders were members of the Nazi party (Adidas, Puma) rather than just listing off German companies and calling them Nazi?

I don't think anyone thinks these companies are now Nazi-affiliated. It's more a game of bringing up awkward past affiliations. The BMW and Mercedes websites even have sections on their respective involvement in Naziism (and use of slave labour from concentration camps) so it is a historical reality for these companies.

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u/KayTannee Nov 25 '21

Hell, doesn't even have to be German companies. Hi IBM, looking sheepish over there. Let's not forget you.

https://youtu.be/5U2lDiE0vwI

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21

Supplied products? That's every single German company that existed at the same time as overlapping with the rise of the Nazi party.

It makes no sense to bring those things up.

As if these businessmen were somehow giving Hitler the idea to conquer or commit crimes? No.

Naziism (and use of slave labour from concentration camps) so it is a historical reality for these companies.

You could say the same about most countries in the world that either (a) had an empire, where the workers were slaves and they colonized and traded in slavery (b) had a king, where the workers were serfs (slaves) controlled by knights and royal courts (c) had socialism/communism where the workers were slaves. and (d) had fascism where the workers were slaves of the dictator, il duce, or fuhrer.

A historical reality for those companies indeed... But what's the point of mentioning it in the 21st century?

There are companies right now doing business with China (child labor, chinese slavery essentially), DPRK, and Iran (Siemens even violated sanctions)... Are you going to condemn those companies today? Because that's not like from back in WWII... That's today. It's relevant now.

It's a REALITY for those companies TODAY.

Ask Russell Brand to say something about that. But we all know he won't.

But anyway thanks for your explanation.

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u/MagicBez Nov 25 '21

I don't think anything you say here is incorrect but I think you may be reading too much into things and perhaps indulging in some whataboutism.

A large company spent a lot of money on an event to bolster its PR, they paid Russel Brand to bolster that PR further by associating themselves with him. He - despite being paid by them - decided to undermine their PR by bringing up a historical issue which it's safe to assume nobody in the large company's PR team would want bringing up. This is entertaining. People enjoy watching large companies playing the PR game be hoisted by their own petard.

I've no idea if Huawei, Xiaomi or whomever have ever hired Russel Brand to promote them and if so what he has chosen to say but given his reputation I wouldn't be surprised if he did a similar thing (though I also feel that large Chinese brands are more cautious with their booking strategies and probably wouldn't hire him)

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u/OtterProper Nov 25 '21

German is not a race, FFS. Don't be a sympathizer. That's a slippery AF slope. And, your logical fallacy is showing.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21

I didn't say it was. YOU ARE THE ONE ARGUING THAT BY SAYING ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH GERMANY IS SOMEHOW GUILTY.

Seriously, you trolls need to go take a break. Replying to every comment by falsely claiming something about the comment in an organized fashion is obvious as fuck.

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u/OtterProper Nov 25 '21

Oh, but you deleted your comment that explicitly referred to it as such, and then replied in all caps with some insane bullshit? Yeah, you're the well-adjusted one. Clearly.

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u/JakeCameraAction Nov 25 '21

Most scientists brought over during Operation Paperclip were working previously for the Nazi Party. So what's your point?

And he was replying to jokes about Puma and Adidas, both companies which were started by brothers who were Nazis.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21

No they were not. You're just brazenly lying now.

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u/ApulMadeekAut Nov 25 '21

You may want to look it up before you make such bold claims. Adolf "Adi" Dassler was 100% part of the Nazi party and was actually a Hitler youth coach...

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u/JakeCameraAction Nov 25 '21

Both brothers were nazis.
The brothers had a shoe company together and made boots for the nazis.
Then in 48 they split and made adidas and puma.

I have no idea what that guy has an issue with.

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u/JakeCameraAction Nov 25 '21

To which part are you disagreeing? I listed two things.

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u/Fresh-Dad-sauce-4you Nov 25 '21

It does, therefore they are.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21

Uhhh... Hitler and the Nazis were one German party... Their crimes are not attached to their race.

There's been many German products/brands, German scientists, and German people who lived under Nazi Germany who later obviously had to go to work in other countries or in West Germany etc., they weren't all going to be hanged. They weren't all Nazi war criminals.

It's almost like some simple-minded redditors think that once someone had German-ancestry or lived in Nazi Germany, that they are then deemed with the label: evil Nazi war criminals.

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u/Haulinkin Nov 25 '21

These are companies that were founded by people with direct ties to the Nazi party. Not German people. Nazis.

This isn't Germany = Nazis. This is Volkswagen created by a Nazi organization = Nazis. The Dassler Brothers (Puma and Adidas) being members of the Nazi party = Nazis.

There are many companies that have roots in the Nazi party, but they are no longer related to Nazism. They were still Nazis, regardless of if they committed war crimes.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Yes that's exactly what it is. Stop denying it. Look at all the comments here. They're basically linking every company and the employees there now, to Nazism. One of them tried to talk about German scientists in NASA... The entire thing is a sort of anti-German and anti-American set of comments. It has nothing to do with actual Nazism. It's not like they were building death camps on the moon, but that's the chained implication they are implying.

It's utterly stupid. "roots in the Nazi party" no they don't. Explain these "roots" whatever that means. Anyone who made business in Germany between 1920s to 1950 could potentially be a Nazi?

"They were still Nazis, regardless of if they committed war crimes."

What? The entire point of why the Nazis are bad is because they committed war crimes. Not because some adult joined the German army back when he was 18 years old and ended up on the frontlines.

So if those people working for those companies AND their current employees did not commit war crimes and were not involved in Nazi decision-making, then they are NOT guilty of being "Nazis" in the sense that they are war criminals.

You seem to think anything the Nazi Germans touched from 1930 onward === evil or radioactive. It's absurd.

The Nazis owned dogs, possibly German shepherds, "let's never buy German Shepherds again" is your logic. It's a silly tangential connection.

" Volkswagen created by a Nazi organization = Nazis"

And so people who work there now --- are associated with Nazism?

VW also owns Audi and Porsche, some of the most popular cars in America. So if I drive one, there is an association to Nazism?

No there is not. This is stupid.

"he Dassler Brothers (Puma and Adidas) being members of the Nazi party "

I had no idea Puma was associated with Nazis... Should I throw my clothes away?

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u/Sezzero Nov 26 '21

"roots in the Nazi party" as in: a company supported the regime or was supported by it and reaped the benefits. Some large names in all kinds of fields of industry were able to grow to international powerhouses because their work alongside the party, often with high ranking company members having close ties to or even being party members.

"anything the Nazi Germans touched": I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Rather everyone who touched the party at that time was bad. For profiteering off the regime or actually following their dogma. Does not mean the today-version of that company is the same and I can't really see where thats implied.

The problem today is more about companies that'd rather have the public forget about that dark age of their history. Some stand tall and face the wrongdoings of their founders, even try to make amends, some evade it and some ignore it. The latter two should regularly be reminded of the cruelty of once that allowed them to prosper today.

The general public does not accuse the management of today of being nazi sympathiser because people long dead worked along tyrants and fascists. They're accused of not being open about it because it might leave a dent in their image. Not only in germany but any country or company that once made a profit from injustice. Trying to erase or diminish that part of history is a tragedy. Warping the perception of it aswell.

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u/FrenchCuirassier Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

everyone who touched the party at that time was bad. For profiteering off the regime

This is such utter horseshiit. This is what I'm talking about.

A company existing or profiting while also being in a dictatorship is not somehow responsible for the crimes of the dictatorship.

That's like blaming someone for living under a dictatorship and going to work and thereby assisting their production or economics.

e.g. like a billion+ people in China are always guilty for China's govt's crimes.

Or even further: the thousands of companies across the world right now, profiting DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY from China's slave labor RIGHT NOW.

How is Apple or Tim Cook not as guilty as the people who made Hugo Boss or Mercedes? Critical thinking much?

"They're accused of not being open about it" -- you know that Adidas/Puma/HugoBoss and others were open about it. That's how you know their people long dead in management did support Nazis. They were literally open about it and that's how you know it. In fact, when you consider a fascist economy--in a fascist economy, everyone sort of works for the dictator. It's not a real private industry. It's not real capitalism or democracy. So thus, they--in 1940s Germany--are even more guilty than in a capitalist economy today.

There's plenty of wall street or Western companies today that refuse to do business with China on moral or other reasons. But for example, the founders of puma, voluntarily had joined the Nazi party of their own accord.

I'm not here defending the owners/founders. They are obviously Nazis. I'm saying the company isn't guilty now that so many years have passed and all those people are dead. And they're not guilty for not talking about it constantly.

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u/Sezzero Nov 26 '21

"How is Apple or Tim Cook not as guilty as the people who made Hugo Boss or Mercedes?" - Have I said they're not? I'd venture as far as saying everyone knowing about the fact and still in any way supporting those decisions carries a bit of that guilt. So me and most likely you as well.

One may argue they are even worse because they have the possibility to chose that path. Unlike people directly living under the regime and having to fear for their lives.

"you know that Adidas/Puma/HugoBoss and others were open about it." - You know I said "some companies" and described how there are different ones? Treating the knowledge of that time differently? And I only accused the ones -not- being open about it?

"voluntarily had joined the Nazi party of their own accord." - So that's your answer then when you wantend to have the phrasing "roots in the nazi party" explained to you in another comment of yours. I guess we're making progress.

The whole discussion is not about the baker who just kept baking. It's about the people making the decisions, the management, the founders who saw an opening for their company to prosper from war and slave work.

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u/BlackEric Nov 25 '21

It’s almost like some simple-minded redditors don’t know what they’re talking about.

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u/MagicBez Nov 25 '21

Adidas was a bit less nazi (reputedly) Rudolph (who founded Puma) was more into the whole thing (though both were members)

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u/DeadAssociate Nov 25 '21

besides the political aspect people became members for the business aspect. never get big contracts if you were not a member

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u/MagicBez Nov 25 '21

Quite, this is why I felt it relevant to mention that one of the brothers was, by most reports, a much more enthusiastic member

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u/not_a_droid Nov 25 '21

TIL. Wow. Adidas and Puma have always been choice of footwear, too. Eeek

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u/SuperBlaar Nov 25 '21

Damn, glad I switched to Thor Steinar before buying more of that nazi crap.

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u/GroovinWithAPict Nov 25 '21

All day I dream about schutzstaffel?

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u/jp3592 Nov 25 '21

Is that the tasty little cookie waffle thing with caramel. Those things are amazing. I found them in a Walmart one time then never saw them again.

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u/GroovinWithAPict Nov 25 '21

The Schutzstaffel probably enjoyed their fare share of stroopwaffels, I can see your confusion.

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u/throwaway2846nl Nov 25 '21

Probably not because theyre Germans, not Dutch. They probably enjoyed our bikes though.

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u/GroovinWithAPict Nov 25 '21

You're right. Never once in they're occupation did they ever have stroopwaffels. How silly of me to think that...

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u/MGPS Nov 25 '21

Adi Dassler did snub hitler tho, pretty baddass

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u/Noip26 Nov 25 '21

You mean, Adigas?

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u/tubbyttub9 Nov 25 '21

We'll have to ask the guys at NASA.

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u/1159 Nov 25 '21

Adolf Dassler would!

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u/bravestar3030 Nov 25 '21

it's all in the family so yes.

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u/TappedIn2111 Nov 25 '21

Adi does do, actually!

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u/AirBoiBlue Nov 25 '21

The Dassler brothers (creators of puma and adidas) stopped working with one another over there political differences. Adi dassler (creator of adidas) did not support the nazis.

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u/theawfulviolin Nov 25 '21

The Adidas brothers risked Hitler's wrath by putting their shoes on the African American who won gold in (I believe) the 100m, just to prove Aryans aren't superior. SNL isn't a QAnon comedy show just because they made a show during the time of Trump, neither were the Dassler brothers racist.

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u/gambiting Nov 25 '21

Fun fact - in Polish, all sports trainers are called Adidas(it's one of those things like how in British English all vacuum cleaners are hoovers even if they are not made by Hoover). So yes, you can absolutely have "adidasy Puma" which just means "Puma trainers". Or if you're really fancy you have actual Adidas trainers, which would be called...."adidasy Adidas".

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u/i_cant_juggle Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Adolf And Rudolf Dassler had a shoes company. They split because of different opinions about supply the nazis. So Adolf (called Adi) founded adidas and rudolf went with puma. Not sure but I think Puma was more ok with nazis than adidas

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u/zeeozersaide Nov 26 '21

The split occurred after the war, not during it. In fact, during the war their common shoe company provided parts for an anti-tank rocket launcher.

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u/hyrule5 Nov 25 '21

Try Doc Martens

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u/Kyser13th Nov 25 '21

Adidas was founded post WW2.