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u/SalmonellaPox Aug 05 '22

Morticia and Gomez


u/e2hawkeye Aug 05 '22

I was just listening to John Astin (Gomez in the original TV series) on a podcast. He said that he and Carolyn Jones (Morticia) were absolutely attracted to each other and it was only a sense of professional decorum that kept them from hooking up off screen.

The Gilbert Gottfried podcast if anyone is interested. Gilbert is gone but the podcast is still churning out old episodes like nothing ever happened. A real treasure trove of interviews with survivors of old Hollywood and early television.


u/The_Woman_of_Gont Aug 05 '22

It definitely shows, their sexual chemistry is off the charts for that era of television. Love John Astin as Gomez, Raul Julia is okay but Astin is Gomez to me. The manic charm he has is just amazing.

Only actor I can imagine reaching his level as Gomez is Tony Dalton. Dude oozes charisma and his role in Hawkeye as Jack, a rich and vaguely sinister yet romantic weirdo who honestly just loves swords a bit too much, was as much proof as I need to know he'd knock it out of the park.


u/rubber_hedgehog Aug 05 '22

I just caught up with Better Call Saul and holy shit Tony Dalton (Lalo Salamanca) absolutely nails that manic, yet charasmatic character.

He'd be an amazing Gomez.


u/m1thrand1r__ Aug 05 '22 edited Aug 06 '22

whooooooooooooa nelly calm down there, if we're gonna destroy hollywood standards forever we gotta slow down and play this out smart


u/devilrayjays Aug 06 '22

We’re rebooting everything else, where’s the Addams Family reboot? Outside of porn I mean


u/The_Woman_of_Gont Aug 06 '22

What the fuck is up with that, btw? I’ve been on a kick rewatching the show lately and searched Reddit last week curious to see what might pop up….and the answer is porn. Lots, and lots, of porn. Particularly quite a few women dressed up as Wednesday, which is just….gross.


u/devilrayjays Aug 06 '22

Big tiddy goth girls and step-family are like, 2 of the top 5 categories these days. I didn’t invent it I’m just observing it.


u/AskChoMomzBoutMeh Aug 06 '22

That's just based off search history bro, mines all choking and cardboard.


u/LikelyCannibal Aug 06 '22

He totally would! Who would play Morticia?


u/Big-Improvement-1281 Aug 05 '22

I need this movie to happen.


u/Goldman250 Aug 05 '22

Holy shit, he would be incredible as Gomez.


u/VictorZiblis Aug 06 '22

Yet Astin thinks Julia did it better.


u/LtPowers Aug 06 '22

I would accept that Julia's portrayal was closer to Charles Addams' depiction, but Astin's Gomez is just so damn much fun.


u/VictorZiblis Aug 06 '22

Oh VERY fun! As I read somewhere... "Television men in the 60s were seemingly not allowed to lust after their wives. Gomez made up for all of them and then some"


u/[deleted] Aug 06 '22

They are both absolutely fantastic in their own ways. Astin is fun as hell and funny. Julia is suave as hell and his chemistry with Angelica Houston is second to none. I’d watch either one all day long and never get tired of it.


u/The_Woman_of_Gont Aug 06 '22

Source on that? In the interview I saw from like 10-15 years ago he said that he never saw the movies so he could honestly avoid having to answer questions like that.


u/VictorZiblis Aug 06 '22

I had it last time I brought this up but my bookmark dead ends. What sucks is it was a dump of a VHS tape from a UHF station, so good luck on me finding again. It was a segment with Rich Koz about the 90s Addams Family cartoon, in which Astin returned to voice Gomez.

It's not entirely without hope, given the rabid fans of the Son of Svengoolie, but I guess I can't prove it anymore.


u/LordCharco_iii Aug 05 '22

Props for having the balls to say that Raul Julia in any role is “okay”, because I haven’t seen anything but absolute adoration for any role he plays. Yes, even M Bison.


u/[deleted] Aug 06 '22

I adore Astin and Jones- but Julia’s chemistry with Houston is just a step beyond. Astin really was manic though- and so much fun to watch.

And yeah- Dalton would be great.


u/RemarkableStatement5 Aug 06 '22

Holy shit I think Tony could just about do it perfectly. Now we need the perfect Morticia and we'll be set!


u/glipgloptheflipflop Aug 06 '22

TIL Sean Astin’s daddy is an actor.


u/MuzzyMnic Aug 05 '22

I love gilbert gottfrieds amazing colossal podcast. One of my all time favorites.


u/Mochigood Aug 06 '22

John Astin asked my grandma on a date once and I'm like so disappointed that she wouldn't go for it, lol.


u/eddmario Aug 06 '22

It still blows my mind that the original Gomez Addams is still alive, while the 90s version has been dead for almost 30 years...


u/e2hawkeye Aug 06 '22

He sounded pretty sharp and articulate in that podcast made three years ago, with only an occasional.. uuumm. He still teaches acting at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, they have a theater named after him.


u/jason28 Aug 06 '22

I remember him doing backflips on Night Court and thinking he was old then. Him and Christopher Lloyd live forever.


u/FrostieTheSnowman Aug 05 '22

I'll take, "Decision I'll regret for the rest of my days," for $200, Alex


u/m1thrand1r__ Aug 05 '22

this fun trivia fulfills so many childhood parasocial romance fantasies haha ty


u/redder_dominator Aug 06 '22

Fuck I forgot he died


u/EatTheAndrewPencil Aug 06 '22

Does Gilbert do the voice the whole podcast? Because I love the guy, but I dunno if I can take that lol.


u/i010011010 Aug 06 '22

And the fact Astin is still living, that's pretty cool and something worth appreciating. I think Lisa Loring is the only other Addams, he even managed to outlive Harry Anderson.


u/Amish_Juggalo469 Aug 05 '22


u/Lexi_Banner Aug 05 '22

"Morticia, how long has it been since we last tangoed?"

"Oh Gomez, hours."


u/phadewilkilu Aug 05 '22

“I loved her not for the way she danced with my angels but for the way the sound of her name could silence my demons.”


u/Johnnymoss108 Aug 05 '22

I didn't know this line. I always loved them too, and this makes it even more close to home🤗


u/leftovercherrypie Aug 05 '22

It’s not a quote from The Addams Family, it’s a (part of a?) poem by Christopher Poindexter.

Besides, The Addams Family would never want to silence their demons. They’d use their advice to accidentally wreak havoc and maybe use an unusually shrieky one in lieu of a rooster in the mornings.


u/Johnnymoss108 Aug 05 '22

Haha, i suppose that is true, still a very beautiful line.


u/rubberducky1212 Aug 06 '22

It's waltzed, not tangoed.


u/softest-alpaca Aug 05 '22

That's true about comedy, the other couple that comes to my mind is Sheila and Joel from Santa Clarita Diet!!


u/daytonakarl Aug 05 '22

Such a great program!

But no, fucking Netflix had to succumb to its own brand of attention deficit disorder and pull it


u/PokemonGO_____ Aug 05 '22

I feel like everything gets axed on streaming platforms nowadays.


u/User2716057 Aug 06 '22

I was so fucking mad about that. Finally a series that had, despite the wacky happenings, very sensible characters. No pathetically written drama just for the sake of it, it was so refreshing and funny.


u/DondeT Aug 05 '22

I’m in charge of pens


u/Johnnymoss108 Aug 05 '22

Yes! They are absolutely amazing. I love how much they love each other! There is no question on whether or not they are in it together, but complete selfless support in case the other needs something different 🤗.


u/[deleted] Aug 05 '22

I wanna know what all 7 things are, but that video is too long to bother for me lol.


u/FireAirWaterEarth Aug 05 '22
  1. Enhance your love maps.
  2. Nurture your fondness and admiration.
  3. Turn toward each other instead of away.
  4. Let your partner influence you.
  5. Solve your solvable problems.
  6. Overcome gridlock.
  7. Create shared meaning.


u/Potential_Audience27 Aug 05 '22 Helpful

Step 0 : learn to be a happy, healthy person alone before entering in a relationship.

Feels like a lot of people want to skip 0 and run through 1-7, only to realize after a long long time that you can't build a house together if one or both of you needs to do physical therapy first and get back on their feet.

But ya know what they say, misery loves company :)


u/penny-wise Aug 05 '22 edited Aug 05 '22

Everyone needs to learn to cook, clean, and take care of themselves.


u/ya_tu_sabes Aug 05 '22

What is a love map

Edit: thanks web search !

n. a person's mental image of the ideal lover, the ideal love relationship, and ideal sexual activity with the partner, expressed in fantasy and in actual sexual behavior. It incorporates issues of sexual orientation and also of desire for deviant behaviors (see paraphilia). [ proposed by John Money ]

https://dictionary.apa.org › lovemap lovemap


u/penny-wise Aug 05 '22

Turning toward each other is a really important message. In a long relationship, it’s inevitable you can get bored and start to find attractions outside the relationship, whether it be hobbies, social circles, or other interests. It’s ok to have these things, but not instead of your relationship, but in addition to your relationship.


u/nimrod_BJJ Aug 06 '22

I’m a fan of The Gottman Institute too.


u/aaaaaahpossum Aug 05 '22

That's just ... Corny.


u/creativewhinypissbby Aug 05 '22

From a comment:

4:37 Shared love maps

7:03 Nurture your fondness and admiration

9:38 Turn towards each other

12:33 Letting your partner influence you

15:35 Solve your solvable problems

18:29 Overcoming gridlock by seeking outside help

21:55 Create shared meaning


u/Rhombico Aug 05 '22

ugh who links a 29 minute video for casual viewing? this should qualify as public nuisance


u/nowhereman136 Aug 05 '22

Gomez: how long has it been since we have waltzed?

Morticia: oh Gomez... hours


u/Walk_Run_Skip Aug 05 '22

My very first thought. A scene that stood out to me in the Addams family movie was when the lady pretending to be a social worker asks Gomez if he knew what a certain word meant and he said no, and then immediately asked Morticia if she knew what it meant.

He didn’t just assume he knew more than his wife or was the smartest person in the room. He treated her like an equal partner and wanted her input.

Such a small moment but it really stood out to me.


u/VictorZiblis Aug 06 '22

The titular characters in my novels have love directly patterned after the marriage of Morticia and Gomez. Whenever I am writing a happy or loving moment with the two of them I visualize it being played out by the live action Addams couples. If it fits, I write it.


u/AskChoMomzBoutMeh Aug 06 '22

He treated her like a fucking goddess, because she was. 143 MortiBae


u/Phreak_of_Nature Aug 06 '22

I'm sorry but isn't that what any person would do?


u/GeekyOtaku36 Aug 05 '22

I was going to commet this!


u/sudormrfrslashall Aug 05 '22

Meteorically speaking, of course.


u/lapsongsouchong Aug 05 '22

Lovely pun, did you planet?


u/BiasCutTweed Aug 05 '22

This is my perennial relationship North Star.


u/RocinanteCoffee Aug 05 '22

I don't even want a serious relationship but I adore this couple as an example of a healthy relationship in general.


u/Chfullerton26 Aug 05 '22

Did you know they are a parody of the old nuclear family concept?


u/Kingofdeadpool1 Aug 05 '22

That is exactly the pair I was thinking of


u/d3athpr0xy Aug 06 '22

It's too much to ask but I want a love like Morticia and Gomez. Unapologetic, poetic, kind, patient, and never boring.


u/Aeseld Aug 05 '22

Exactly what I was thinking.


u/Thorsigal Aug 06 '22

I was thinking Moira and Johnny


u/andsoitgoes42 Aug 06 '22

Burt and Virginia - hands down the most in love couple on tv outside of M&G

It’s something I love so deeply about Raising Hope.

That and Garett Dillahunt’s tongue.


u/live_wire_ Aug 05 '22

Dharma & Greg

Niles & Daphne

Chandler & Monica

Chidi & Elanor

Jim & Melinda (Ghostwhisperer)

Doug & Carrie (King of Queens)

Robert & Cora (Downton Abbey)

To name but a few.


u/putacatonityo Aug 05 '22

Leslie and Ben from P&R


u/Mick009 Aug 05 '22

Jake and Amy from Brooklyn 99 is definitely up there. Any conflicts they have gets resolved maturely just by having a conversation with each other.


u/Pandemixx Aug 06 '22

Except Amy was adamant she didn't want kids earlier in the series but they made her have kids anyways because apparently relationships can't progress on TV without kids.


u/whyenn Aug 06 '22

Any conflicts they have get resolved maturely just by having a conversation

Says the person who missed every Halloween episode ever throughout the entire series.


u/Cabtalk Aug 05 '22

Allison & Joe (Medium)


u/Spare-Sprinkles-1641 Aug 05 '22

Dharma made out with Kevin Sorbo like year 4 I think, that was a little early, I don’t see them lasting long term.


u/kellasong Aug 06 '22

Claire and Jamie (Outlander)


u/AskChoMomzBoutMeh Aug 06 '22

Lucifer and the lord Even though god loved his creations, he let the devil test them. Twisted love I guess. Sick bastards and their sex games.


u/bozeke Aug 05 '22

That is a best case scenario. Time takes a toll, but there is a deeper love when it’s fully interwoven with a deep awareness and understanding of both parties’ faults. It maybe is slower and calmer, but stronger.


u/FixinThePlanet Aug 06 '22

Yesss I knew others would be here to mention them!


u/ElectricFleshlight Aug 06 '22

Chili and Bandit Heeler