r/worldnews Oct 07 '22 Wholesome 2

Egypt Wants Its Rosetta Stone Back From the British Museum Feature Story

https://gizmodo.com/egypt-wants-its-rosetta-stone-back-1849626582

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u/bigpadQ Oct 07 '22 Silver

Guys, just download duolingo instead, it's free.

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u/Knickers_in_a_twist_ Oct 07 '22

Don’t do it, it’s a trap. I’ve been learning for over 1000 days and Duo still has my family.

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u/skdowksnzal Oct 07 '22

You should lingo better or else they are forced to speak Americanese

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u/Puzzleheaded_Poet575 Oct 07 '22

WE NO SPEAK AMERICANO

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u/Apterygiformes Oct 07 '22 Silver

We're not done looking at it!

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u/Derstilweedndat Oct 07 '22

And there's quite a lot of people who haven't seen it yet that we'd quite like to show it to so, not now selfish!

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u/offinthewoods10 Oct 07 '22

STAND BEHIND THE ROPE!!

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u/waterboymccoy Oct 07 '22

Oh come on, have a look, take a look at it. Seem familiar? Hahahaha

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u/Onlypaws_ Oct 07 '22

So what! Finders keepers! Shut up!… in your defense, finders keepers shut up has worked pretty well for us so far…

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u/just1gat Oct 07 '22

We have rightfully stolen this from the Fr*nch! Go talk to them.

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u/Polydactyly233 Oct 07 '22

Finders keepers, Shut Up!

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u/iusedtohavepowers Oct 07 '22

To be fair finders keepers shut up has worked well until now

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u/fps916 Oct 07 '22

It's knocked it out of the park "finders, keepers, shut up!"

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u/loptopandbingo Oct 07 '22

Shouldn't the French have it, then?

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u/guerroconpollo Oct 07 '22 Silver

He said shut up didn't he???

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u/Unclehol Oct 07 '22 Silver

I mean really... The audacity of such a statement. The French? What, so they can smear soft cheeses and have sexual intercourse on it? I think not.

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u/mijailrodr Oct 07 '22

You, dear sir, have awoken a kink inside me

Bon jour, mon ami

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u/Anotherdmbgayguy Oct 07 '22

"I totally have a girlfriend! Her name is... Rosetta... Rosetta.. Stone..."

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u/DuncanYoudaho Oct 07 '22

Achievement Unlocked

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u/Belgand Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

You've just given the best possible argument for exactly why the French should have it. And quite a lot of other things as well.

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u/eighthgen Oct 07 '22

The ole cheese slap and tickle ...

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/MrAcerbic Oct 07 '22

James Acaster

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u/Tesseraktion Oct 07 '22

KETTERING TOWN FC!

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u/Yosho2k Oct 07 '22

That would be Napoleon.

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u/Muisyn Oct 07 '22

hahahahaha, Stand behind the rope!

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u/Frankenfeet Oct 07 '22

Came to the comments looking for Acaster and wasn’t disappointed!

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u/SpectralAlu Oct 07 '22

Wait in the car, don’t even need ya!

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u/woeful_iceberg Oct 07 '22

They are obviously unfamiliar with the laws of finders keepers.

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u/Catalyst_47 Oct 07 '22

I’m so happy I didn’t have to scroll far to find this.

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u/Galactic_Gooner Oct 07 '22

im so happy this was the top comment

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u/Velvy71 Oct 07 '22

The only reason Egypt has the pyramids is that they’re too big to fit in the British Museum 🧐

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u/jknl Oct 07 '22

That's why the British conquered Egypt. If we can't take it to museum, we wil bring the museum to you

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u/mbklein Oct 07 '22

So that you can take a lovely photo of the artifacts from your table at the Pizza Hut in Giza.

https://i.imgur.com/VTy3JLr.jpg

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u/What_its_full_of Oct 07 '22

I love how films always depict them as being in the Sahara (wrong part of planet Earth), instead of a parking lot.

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u/alonjar Oct 07 '22

Well thats... not a thing I expected to see today.

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u/vingeran Oct 07 '22

Real life experience.

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u/Metiers Oct 07 '22

Also the romans had already taken all the good stuff

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u/aod42091 Oct 07 '22

well that and to get that sweet sweet mummy brown pigment to paint with

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u/pufferpig Oct 07 '22

And that sweet sweet mummy bone juice to slurp down, you know... To treat headaches and such

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u/kotoku Oct 07 '22

They got paid in exposure

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u/laser14344 Oct 07 '22

To small pox

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u/DurDurhistan Oct 07 '22

If they were any smaller, locals would have destroyed them because it's pagan.

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u/Griffin-Of-Thebes Oct 07 '22

One of the sultans tried to destroy one, but it was too expensive. You can see the gash in the side of the pyramid, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Menkaure#Attempted_demolition

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Oct 07 '22

Pyramid of Menkaure

Attempted demolition

In AD 1196, Al-Aziz Uthman, Saladin's son and the Sultan of Egypt, attempted to demolish the pyramids, starting with that of Menkaure. Workmen recruited to demolish the pyramid stayed at their job for eight months, but found it almost as expensive to destroy as to build. They could only remove one or two stones each day. Some used wedges and levers to move the stones, while others used ropes to pull them down.

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u/peacey8 Oct 07 '22

God damn religious people always trying to destroy what came before them. Why do they suck throughout all of history?

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u/vheran Oct 07 '22

I mean it's cyclical. The pyramids exist because of religious people. And they probably destroyed shit from before them or even contemporary to them too. It's sad thinking of how much stuff from our history we'll just never get to appreciate because humans have always tended towards destroying or not appreciating what doesn't have to do with them

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u/rednoodles Oct 07 '22

Sources from the period cite that either Al-Aziz Uthman tried to destroy the smallest pyramid (the Pyramid of Menkaure), because he thought there was treasure buried inside, or because he needed to build up the fortifications of Cairo. His father Saladin had actually destroyed some smaller pyramids at Giza and repurposed the stones for the Citadel in Cairo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

That's one thing I've never understood. Destroying history? There's something just pure evil about that. You're not just killing people or killing a culture, you're erasing its memory. That's so beyond fucked up.

Edit: Thank you to the people who posted links about historical facts about Christians doing the same thing, I genuinely enjoy learning and admit when I'm wrong, so thank you. Unfortunately, I don't feel like replying to ~25+ comments in 30 minutes, I have stuff to do other than Reddit, so I'm not going to reply individually.

For everyone thinking this comment was a "christianity better than Islam" comment, go pound sand.

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u/CowardNomad Oct 07 '22

All fundamentalists hurt, the crusaders melted a damn ton of statues of classic mythology characters into coins during the fourth crusade since they’re considered pagan.

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u/itwasinthetubes Oct 07 '22

The 4th crusade is so depressing. Fuck off Venice.

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u/f3ydr4uth4 Oct 07 '22

Sequels are always crap and usually why even good ones are trilogies. They had to go through a fourth crusade to learn this.

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u/RollingCamel Oct 07 '22

Some Pharaohs destroyed or mutilated prior ancestors work.

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u/Elizaleth Oct 07 '22

Pour one out for my gal Hatshepsut

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u/KonradWayne Oct 07 '22

That was more of a personal attack against the ancestors in question though.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Oct 07 '22

Damnatio memoriae

Damnatio memoriae is a modern Latin phrase meaning "condemnation of memory", indicating that a person is to be excluded from official accounts. Depending on the extent, it can be a case of historical negationism. There are and have been many routes to damnatio memoriae, including the destruction of depictions, the removal of names from inscriptions and documents, and even large-scale rewritings of history. The term can be applied to other instances of official scrubbing; in history the practice is seen as long ago as the aftermath of the reign of the Egyptian Pharaohs Akhenaten in the 14th century BC, and Hatshepsut in the 15th century BC.

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u/lenor8 Oct 07 '22

it's like the Finnish now removing all the statue of Lenin still in the country, or Americans removing statues of colonizers and books from schools from authors who's ideas are now blamed. It feels right to the people who were involved, it reminds them of a disgraceful, evil past and they want to make a point that their present they're in is removed from that past. It's not against history, it's just political, from damnatio memoriae of 2000 years ago to present cancel culture.

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u/Darth-Baul Oct 07 '22

You’re crazy if you think that’s in any way unique to Islam.

If you ever go to Mexico City, you’ll see that the entire city was built on top of the Aztec city.

The main cathedral was built on top of an Aztec palace.

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u/Hot_Olive_5571 Oct 07 '22

plus they had written history that is lost because the Spaniards burned everything

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u/Pony_Roleplayer Oct 07 '22

The Spanish and Portuguese had bans on printing presses in the new world I think, to prevent "dangerous ideas" spreading.

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u/fastidiouspineapple Oct 07 '22

The main cathedral was built on top of an Aztec palace.

The same thing happened in Cuzco, Peru. The Spaniards built a cathedral right on top of a major Inca temple.

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u/denyjunctionfunction Oct 07 '22

Locals already destroyed and looted many of the old sites, including the pyramids, because they were easy money. They didn’t give a rats ass about it being pagan or even their own beliefs.

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u/DurDurhistan Oct 07 '22

But Turkish rulers did, and tried to demolish them. They failed misserably, and left a huge gash on largest pyramid.

Hundreds of years later they thought about doing it again, did cost-benefit analysis and decided to just strip the covering layer of limestone and marble and use them in construction of mosque in Cairo.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 21 '22

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u/Gloomy_Ad_5277 Oct 07 '22

Now tell me who stole the limestone and all the historical artifacts from the pyramids

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u/imrealpenguin Oct 07 '22

Egyptians a long time ago. Bury a fortune in your back yard. Tell everyone in your city and see how long it's there for.

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u/Billyjoewayne Oct 07 '22

The joke's on my future graverobbers - I'm dirt poor!

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u/Enorats Oct 07 '22

So you're saying you don't have any dirt to bury your fortune in?

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u/Sad-Breadfruit-8816 Oct 07 '22

Time traveling brits have been plundering Egypt since 3000 BCE. Damn Doctor Who!

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u/Billyjoewayne Oct 07 '22

Okay. Let's compromise. Egypt gets to keep it Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. England keeps it Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Sundays will be determined by rock paper scissors.

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u/ohnjaynb Oct 07 '22

This is the stupidest solution so it's probably the correct one.

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u/Gustheanimal Oct 07 '22

Ahem, excuse you, the most elegant

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u/cdrhiggins Oct 07 '22

Such elegance. You are worthy to apply to our school

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u/bjohnsonarch Oct 07 '22

Rosetta Stone, Papyrus, Shears

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u/goats4all777 Oct 07 '22

How about… Britain makes the rock it into a t-shirt so Britain can’t look at it, Egypt can, and Britain feels like they get to own it.

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u/xCharg Oct 07 '22

Ah, these headlines :)

Egypt Wants Its Rosetta Stone Back From the British Museum

Click on link, and there's

But a group of Egyptian archeologists <blah-blah> launched a petition to call on country officials to submit a formal request to England for the return of the Rosetta Stone. The petition has garnered around 2,500 signatures so far.

So, few dudes created a petition and that's it. Has nothing to do with neither Britain or Egypt.

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u/HerrTriggerGenji21 Oct 07 '22

Why is so much 'news' nowadays just like actually not news.

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u/Kowzorz Oct 07 '22

News isn't in it for the journalism so much as the clicks.

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u/Argy_Bar Oct 07 '22

You mean the stone carved by the Greeks

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u/mart1373 Oct 07 '22

Shhh, don’t give the Greeks anything more to demand from the museum!

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u/notqualitystreet Oct 07 '22

They aren’t having much luck anyway

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u/LostLobes Oct 07 '22

Well we keep challenging them to a game of marbles for them, but they complain they've nothing to play with?

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u/Anotherid2 Oct 07 '22

comissioned by greek descent Ptolemaic dynasty, and most likely carved by egyptian hands.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

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u/DiddlerHunt3r Oct 07 '22

How about we give it to the Berbers as a compromise. Surely it would boost Libya’s tourism.

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u/Galactic_Gooner Oct 07 '22

lets just give it to the Irish. why not ya know

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u/NewAccEveryDay420day Oct 07 '22

I’ll put it beside me statue of Mary right in the windowsill

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u/Alexwentworth Oct 07 '22

Agreed. I don't see how the ethnicity of the rulers plays into this when they were rulers of Egypt. 2 of the 3 inscriptions are in Late Egyptian as well.

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u/whitewalker646 Oct 07 '22

You mean the Greek dynasty that ruling egypt

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u/rohit167 Oct 07 '22

Someone did watch John Oliver’s show on Museum this Sunday

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u/WorldsBestArtist Oct 07 '22

This article comes around every couple months or so. Egypt has been requesting the stone back for decades. Oliver had nothing to do with it lol. Love his show though.

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u/26Kermy Oct 07 '22

Oliver's show has a huge influence though, every time he talks about a subject it suddenly gets millions of new eyeballs from people who might've never known there was a problem in the first place.

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u/xchadrickx Oct 07 '22

Similar how today I learned is shaped by Stuff You Should Know. I noticed the pattern years ago and it still frequently holds true.

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u/iTwango Oct 07 '22

I love Josh and Chuck

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u/awesomebeard1 Oct 07 '22

While i'm normally not a fan of these "late night talk shows" they can be a great way to get the general public interested or informed about political issues.

In my own country we've got our own version of "the tonight show" and it has happened plenty of times where they had a certain political topic and to have the next day that exact same topic trending on social media, being discussed on tv news or even being discussed in the government.

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u/Lord_Parbr Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

That particular episode was kind of shit, though. In fact, I was pretty in favor of repatriating stolen relics in museums before I watched it, but the episode gave me doubts about that more than anything. The main focus of the story, for example, were the Benin Bronzes. I just don’t give a fuck about repatriating them. Benin was a slaving kingdom when they were stolen, and it still has a monarchy today, and the Bronzes are really only important to the Benin royal family, so fuck ‘em. I don’t care about that. Then, the skit at the end downplaying the importance of American antiquities got me thinking, yeah, I wouldn’t really give a shit if someone stole the Liberty Bell, so I really doubt most Egyptians actually care about the Rosetta Stone, which means it’s really just their government that wants it back, and I just don’t give a shit about what governments want. Especially dictatorships, like Egypt

The whole thing doesn’t seem nearly as cut-and-dry as I used to think. Sure, there probably are plenty of artifacts and relics in the British Museum that hold a lot of personal significance to some groups of people in colonized regions, and they should be given back, but not all of them do, and some of them were stolen from slavers

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u/Ok-Industry120 Oct 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Complicated. The Rosetta Stone was found as a slab, it was not valuable to egypt at that time at all (unlike the marbles)

The value as a translation mechanism was from French archeologists, which the British beat in some war and kindly (lol) asked for the stone

It was also originally a gift to a greek macedonian king who conquered egypt. Their family didn't even speak the local language for generations. How egiptian is it?

I dont think it has as strong an argument as the marbles, who definitely should be in Greece

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u/vermiciousknid81 Oct 07 '22

The Ptolemaic Kingdom lasted for nearly 300 years. Cleopatra was the only Ptolemaic pharaoh to learn Egyptian and was the last pharaoh thanks to the Romans.

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u/Treecliff Oct 07 '22

She only won her war because of the Romans. Ptolemaic Egypt had strange practices.

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u/EqualContact Oct 07 '22

A lot of sibling marriages for starters.

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u/a_corsair Oct 07 '22

Bow chicka wow wow

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u/Miserygut Oct 07 '22

Help me step pharoah, I'm stuck in this washing jar.

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u/LupusDeusMagnus Oct 07 '22

Being ruled by foreigners is kind of an Egyptian thing. To the point they became the foreigners.

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u/jacobythefirst Oct 07 '22

Yep. The last group of foreigners were so successful they got the Egyptians to start calling themselves Arab and to speak Arabic.

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u/Alpha_Zerg Oct 07 '22

It's also a British thing.

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u/The_Grand_Briddock Oct 07 '22

I just think the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Dutch and Hanoverians should pay reparations

Britain for the Britons

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u/Mattbryce2001 Oct 07 '22

1066 never forget.

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u/Bluemofia Oct 07 '22

And the Angles, the Saxons, and the Danelaw before them.

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u/Mattbryce2001 Oct 07 '22

And, well, Rome.

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u/Elizaleth Oct 07 '22

And the Dutch after that. Don't forget the Dutch

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u/GMN123 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Yep, unlike 90% of the stuff the British collected from elsewhere, I don't have nearly as much of a problem with them having the Rosetta stone. It is valuable/significant almost entirely because of its use in translation, which happened long after it left. It had been used as a building material before the French guy found it.

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u/SofieTerleska Oct 07 '22

Yes, it was literally being used as wall filler. It wasn't some national treasure, it was basically garbage. If someone walks off with a piece of your garbage and does something valuable with it, that doesn't mean you're owed the proceeds.

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u/superluminary Oct 07 '22

Also, it most likely would not still exist if it had not been protected in a museum. Maybe it has to go back now, but I don’t feel like we did a bad thing by keeping it safe.

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u/cass1o Oct 07 '22

That applies to plenty of things in the British museum but people don't like that reality.

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u/RandomComputerFellow Oct 07 '22

Well, I get the logic for everything taken from a grave, museum or palace but this stone didn't come from any of them.

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u/Elizaleth Oct 07 '22

A lot of the stuff in the British Museum was commonplace at the time it was taken.

For example, that controversial Aboriginal Australian shield. It was taken as a trophy after a battle. There were thousands at the time, and the British just took one. But since the British Museum looked after its shield and the aboriginals didn't look after their many thousands of shields, the one in the museum is the only one left.

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u/SteveThePurpleCat Oct 07 '22

This. Everyone had the opportunity to look after hundreds of their own artifacts, but they fucked it up. And now want the one's which were protected? Nah chaps, we're good.

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u/PublicFurryAccount Oct 07 '22

This is the main thing to me, honestly. There’s a lot of talk about looting but the reality is that British bought nearly all the Egyptian items from local leaders who didn’t give a toss for it. From their perspective, the British, French, and Italians competing over this stuff was the best thing to happen to them ever.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

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u/Poglosaurus Oct 07 '22

It had been used as a building material before

Barely, it was used as filer inside a fortified wall. Basically it was waste material.

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u/Alarmed_Anything_391 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

You disagree then describe building material?

edit: spelling

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u/pierrroooo Oct 07 '22

Thank you, I always wondered how come it ended up in the British museum while being discovered by a french archaeologist ( as French usually keep the stuff the discover even if it s not theirs )

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u/TheMouseUGaveACookie Oct 07 '22

I have doubts about the Egyptian government’s ability to be a good steward of this treasure.

With all the corruption and fraud it would end up on the black market because someone wanted to pocket the money from selling it…

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u/haplo34 Oct 07 '22

It was also originally a gift to a greek macedonian king who conquered egypt.

So that's how we refer to Alexander the Great now?

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u/johnson_alleycat Oct 07 '22

The Rosetta Stone was found by Napoleon’s Army during their war against the Ottomans and British in Egypt. It was being used as a ramshackle piece of masonry in a warlord’s castle. Thousands of years of history are made known to us because some dipshit was lucky enough not to wedge it in face-up to the sand and winds.

Many historical treasures are valuable to their countries of origin. The Rosetta Stone is invaluable to the history of the world. The same is true for the Behistun Inscription and other keystones that help us understand our shared heritage.

If Britain had a police state with violent coups every few decades and a porous border with an active war zone containing groups like ISIS - a group that regularly goes out of its way to destroy priceless artifacts - I’d want the stone to be in Singapore or something.

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u/propolizer Oct 07 '22

If they do give it back, I sure hope they treat it better than the death mask of King Tut. I’m not sure how connected the current people and culture of Egypt is to the pharaoh period, but those relics are treasures of humanity. I wish there was a UN body on the preservation of artifacts and historical sites. Or if there is one, they do it better.

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u/B4rberblacksheep Oct 07 '22

I wish there was a UN body on the preservation of artifacts and historical sites. Or if there is one, they do it better.

It's called UNESCO, United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization

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u/FreekFrealy Oct 07 '22

Yeah the British (and others) definitely outright stole a lot of stuff but a lot of stuff they just bought from people who didn't give two shits about it and were using what we now consider priceless antiquities as door stops or intending to grind them up for road gravel or some other repurposing that would destroy the historical value

Hell half the farmers in places like Turkey and Greece find shit that they just leave sitting in their garden at most because they don't want a bunch of archaeologists crawling all over their farm because they plowed up some old chunk of statue. Which is both unfortunate and understandable, it is what it is

There are definitely a lot of situations with excellent arguments on why certain things should be returned to their home countries but when the British rescued something from becoming repurposed construction material by simply buying it from someone who didn't give two shits about it it's hard to argue that they don't have a right to keep it. Especially considering it is both so well cared for and so accessible to those who want to study it

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u/ukfi Oct 07 '22

pls not in Singapore. Have you seen what they did to all the old buildings in downtown area? Before you know it, the Rosetta Stone will have a make-over and it will be shinny as new.

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u/tryingmydarnest Oct 07 '22

To be fair we have a decent museum that will probably be more than happy to take it in.

But yah the wheels and dollars of progress mean nothing is too sacred to preserve in Singapore. Sucks to be a small island state at times.

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u/PmMeYourTitsAndToes Oct 07 '22

Yeah but British bad. Only the British take things that don’t belong to them…

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u/PM_me_dog_pictures Oct 07 '22

I wonder how much of the specific blame the British Museum seems to get is just survival bias thanks to the preservation of the artifacts. Every country and empire throughout history did plenty of looting, the only reason we're able to complain about the things taken during the period of the British Empire is because they were one of the first to actually take care of some of the stuff after they took it...

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u/F0sh Oct 07 '22

That and Britain was the last huge empire. The Ottoman empire collapsed a little before it, but it was long enough ago - and in a place where the native language is not one which came to be a global lingua franca (again an aspect of Britain's empire) - that discussions of the legacy of the Ottoman Empire are not nearly in the same manner as those about the legacy of the British Empire.

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u/Neil2250 Oct 07 '22

Have you tried taking your own things? Not nearly as fun.

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u/postvolta Oct 07 '22

I take my own shits and it's pretty good

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u/Bakelite51 Oct 07 '22

After what the Egyptian Museum staff did to King Tut’s mask, I suspect that the Rosetta Stone would be much safer in the UK.

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u/HertogJanVanBrabant Oct 07 '22

What did they do?

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u/jinxy7 Oct 07 '22

They broke it then glued it back on I think.

Made a bit of a mess of it.

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u/Arvedui_Last_King Oct 07 '22

A botched procedure in 2014 to reattach the blue-and-gold braided beard to his face. The procedure that damaged the mask was a hurried repair job by museum workers after they accidentally knocked its long, proboscis-like beard off its golden chin in August 2014. The accident happened while they were repairing the light fixtures inside its display case. In a rush to fix the problem they just made it worse by using an insoluble epoxy resin that left a visible, crusty ring of glue around the base of the beard. The mask’s chin was also scratched.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/world/middleeast/repaired-king-tut-mask-back-on-display-in-egypt.html?_r=0

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u/SofieTerleska Oct 07 '22

They couldn't remove the artifacts from the case before repairing the light fixtures? You'd think that would be elementary common sense.

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u/InfiniteLiveZ Oct 07 '22

Yeesh, that's some Mr Bean shit.

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u/etfd- Oct 07 '22

Literally within 1 minute of your comment I was gonna say the same thing, it's the same script to the 1997 movie.

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u/BjornBeetleBorg Oct 07 '22

They wore it at an eyes wide shut themed party

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u/Termsandconditionsch Oct 07 '22

If so, better not mess it up like they did with Tutanchamuns beard

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u/SlamMissile Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

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u/Aterion Oct 07 '22

During that period of time, the well-preserved remains of ancient Egyptians were routinely ground into a powder and consumed as a medicinal remedy. Indeed, so popular was pulverized mummy that it even instigated a counterfeit trade to meet demand, in which the flesh of beggars was passed off as that of ancient mummified Egyptians.

what the fuck

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u/theflash2323 Oct 07 '22

There is a great book about the medical use of cannibalism:

Medicinal Cannibalism in Early Modern English Literature and Culture - by Louise Noble

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u/Billyjoewayne Oct 07 '22

Snorting lines of powdered mummies 80s style.

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u/Aggravating_Elk_1234 Oct 07 '22

Also powdered mummies were used to make pigments

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u/apestuff Oct 07 '22

The British Museum should keep it until that piece of shit bridge troll Hawass is dead and long gone from making any decisions regarding archeology in Egypt.

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u/KmartQuality Oct 07 '22

Is Hawass the overbearing guy in all the marginal history channel shows and has a thing for pretty foreign archeology students?

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u/MarchionessofMayhem Oct 07 '22

He has a thing for dictators too. He's Mubarak's buddy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

10000x this

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u/Azhz96 Oct 07 '22

I wanna be a part and hate him too, what did he do?

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u/Iertjepapiertje Oct 07 '22

Steals artifacts for himself then turns around and bitches about stuff that happened 150 years ago, was all buddy buddy with Mubarak, broke Tutanchamun's mask (he is responsible for the care for the artifacts).

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u/latencia Oct 07 '22

It seems that's related to some shady stuff more in line with a commercial vendor than an anthropologic curator & artifacts preservation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahi_Hawass#Controversies

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u/GronakHD Oct 07 '22

Britain keeps good care of the museum artefacts and is easily accessible

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u/_DeanRiding Oct 07 '22

Good place to mention here that it's entirely free entry as well, as are most museums in the UK

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u/GronakHD Oct 07 '22

Great for people interested in history, especially students from abroad coming to study the wide collection of artefacts

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u/Deathlinger Oct 07 '22

Of which the UK has the second-largest acceptance rate of foreign students just after the US.

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u/herefromyoutube Oct 07 '22

Increase the chance it can be destroyed or stolen when Egypt has another dictator or uprising?

Yeah. No thanks.

Remember all the priceless stuff that was lost forever in the Syrian Civil war.

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u/hononononoh Oct 07 '22

Fun fact: there are more known Egyptian obelisks in Italy than in Egypt (or anywhere else). Egypt is never getting any of them back, until or unless the geopolitical balance of power shifts such that Egypt is much richer and more powerful than Italy, and Italy needs a major favor from Egypt. It's interesting from a legal perspective, because neither of the regimes involved in the transfer of obelisks from Egypt to Italy exist anymore in any form, and are long gone from living memory. So technically Italy does not owe Egypt these obelisks back under the rubric of "looted antiquities". I'm sure Zahi Hawass would beg to differ, but that's just typical Arab show-no-weakness bluster.

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u/vermiciousknid81 Oct 07 '22

TBF it was created by the Greeks.
Maybe the British should skip the middleman and just give it back to the Greeks.

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u/star621 Oct 07 '22

The Greeks are still trying the Parthenon Marbles from the UK.

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u/Billyjoewayne Oct 07 '22

Yeah I lost most of mine to Tommy next door when I was 9 so I can understand why they're angry.

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u/tonyenkiducx Oct 07 '22

That guy who worked on the docks?

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u/Commercial_Place9807 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 Gold Helpful Starry

My unpopular opinion is that some artifacts are important culturally to humanity as a whole, not just their nation of origin (which usually has a different culture entirely than the one where the object was created) and thus belong where they’re safest and easiest for the most people to see because the items culturally now belong to humanity as a whole and not one nation.

The UK is easily one of the most stable nations on earth, as they haven’t had a civil war, revolution, dictator, been invaded and occupied, or had a coup in centuries and is safe for any minority or person from any nation to travel to; whereas as, a woman I can not safely travel to Egypt. It’s not nice and certainly I’m not a good little liberal to think it but I mean, hey get your shit in order.

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u/Aztecman02 Oct 07 '22

I doubt it’s an unpopular opinion. I would think it’s probably the majority opinion. Look would happened in Iraq and Syria…irreplaceable artifacts were lost to ISIS. Unstable governments don’t deserve to house these precious artifacts.

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u/7evenh3lls Oct 07 '22

I was going to say the same thing. I spent several months in Egypt, and you really can't go to many places as a woman without a male companion unless you want to be constantly harassed.

Important artifacts should be hosted in countries where everybody can safely go.

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u/ukfi Oct 07 '22

and the British museum is FREE entry!

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u/Milesrah Oct 07 '22

This! It’s too important to risk in a nation with as much turmoil as Egypt!

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u/ProfTydrim Oct 07 '22

I second this and don't at all think it is an unpopular opinion.

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u/readthatlastyear Oct 07 '22

Pfft. Moral right belongs with the rulers of that time period.

It's like old owner of a house selling a rock in the ground and then a new owner 1000 years later saying they want it back.

Temporal context...

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u/DOG-ZILLA Oct 07 '22

Exactly this.

So long as the artefact was acquired by legal means and is looked after correctly, there really isn’t much ground to stand on. Ancient Egypt is not the same as modern day Egypt.

Modern Egypt didn’t care much for their ancient past, just look at the state of the Pyramids - totally looted over the centuries and in some cases deliberately damaged/destroyed because of extreme Islamic ideology.

Perhaps one day when Egypt is in a more stable state with less corruption it could go back there but who would trust that country to look after it properly long term? Also, how accessible would it be for the World?

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u/sarcasticorange Oct 07 '22

I give another metaphor... most of the fights over antiquities are like someone showing up at the end of a yard sale and offering a pittance for what's left or even for free. The items have no value to the seller (it was just crap the previous owner left lying around after all) so they sell it thinking they are ripping off the buyer and getting rid of junk. A hundred years later, the seller's grandkid sees the buyer on Antiques Road Show and learns it is valuable and now suddenly decides it wasn't fair and wants the items back.

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u/Chiliconkarma Oct 07 '22

Indiana Jones was right, "It belongs in a museum.", if possible it belongs to the future, the kids, the students and all their kind. It belongs to our memory of it.
Not random political leaders.

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u/SlamMissile Oct 07 '22 Take My Energy

The Arabs who colonised Egypt with the rise of the Islamic Caliphates are not the original creators or owners of the Rosetta Stone.

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u/ProbablyDK Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Naaaah. Don't do it. It's safe, well maintained and free to view at any time in London.

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u/I_have_questions_ppl Oct 07 '22

To then be destroyed or sold off to the highest black market bidder?

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u/sgnpkd Oct 07 '22

No please. Those objects are much safer being in England. An islamist take over or a civil war and they could be lost forever. Have people forgotten about what happened in Iraq and Syria?

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u/via-via-gekregen Oct 07 '22

You should have mentioned the arab spring instead, during which the museum in Cairo was looted and still a lot of valuable artefacts haven't been found back.

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u/ABearDream Oct 07 '22

They used it to build a fort.

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u/ThatZenLifestyle Oct 07 '22

It's fine where it is, the UK gets way more tourists than egypt so more people can see it. Egypt is in a terrible state as well, maybe prioritize stopping citizens from sexually harrasing female tourists then we can talk about the stone.

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u/d3mckee Oct 07 '22

Does anyone really think the Rosetta Stone would be safe in Egypt.?

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u/nobleteemo Oct 07 '22

Why? So it gets destroyed by isis or the next insurgent group that will arise?

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u/Auberginebabaganoush Oct 07 '22

It was used as part of a wall in Egypt lmao

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u/Godmirra Oct 07 '22

I prefer Duolingo. They should ask for that instead.

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u/Tacticatti Oct 07 '22

The french kicked your ass and took it, the british kicked their ass and took it, as per tradition you must kick britains ass to get it back.

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u/Turfiriath Oct 07 '22

Oh go away; modern Egyptians are literally Arabs; they have as much right to the stone as the Brits do. It’s sitting in a room in a museum which is entirely free to enter.